I Traded CME For This Strange 80s Prototype! | 1979 Gibson Victory MVII Proto Review + Demo

[@Trog]

The Gibson Victory series is unique - I'm happy to have a prototype version in my collection! 🟢My Website: www.troglysguitarshow.com 🔴Reverb: tidd.ly/4aFiyhC 🐕 Private Help Sessions: troglysguitarshow.com/help-appraisals/

[@maxupp]

Hey Trogly! I think it is a regular Posilok. What I think happened is that it had a drop, and the flange separated from the screw barrel and was pushed down. That would explain the height and the oddly proud screw. If you look at that ring beneath the screw head closely, it does look a little ragged.

[@charlescampbell9267]

That’s what was going to say too. Nice catch.

[@sagittated]

I think it's a nice honor for Gibson to name their strat a "victory." Very humble admission from them. They should make more odes to Fender. Like... A Les Paul Special with a 25" scale, 9.5" radius, and a bolt on, maple neck. I'd buy one.

[@Jokesonyou6666]

Technically you can buy a les paul with a bolt on neck and a trem system but it wont be a Gibson

[@user-gz8id4vf1i]

Why?? That would be such a cheap insult to a Gibson. Fender's suck and ways have. The Tele was their saving grace. A Strat is a turd of a guitar. Whether one is $4000 or $400 they're still the same cheap quality trash wood and cheap plastic

[@Billiamwoods]

​@@user-gz8id4vf1i did a strat kill your family???

[@Wyatt42069]

why on god's green earth would you want a bolt on neck? they're blocky, cheap, and don't sustain. awful

[@ziggylayneable]

Gibson does make a Les Paul style guitar that has a 25.5 inch radius I can't remember its name off the top of my head but there is a video of trogly reviewing one

[@jamesoniris2647]

I didn’t know Trogly was so gangsta to ask for a guitar AND the cash

[@Mikey__R]

Back in college, I sold my first bass guitar for £50 and a 20 pack of Marlborough reds.

[@wesleyalan9179]

Lol

[@charleslambiase5670]

Lol... Gangsta'😊

[@MrPointy75]

All basses are worth this.

[@AMPR45]

Trogly’s mobbed up.

[@Aspkkr]

I was told by a guy selling one that it was Comfort Model, That was a long time ago so maybe he said Contour Model.

[@ethanhitchcock5431]

What a strange beast , I also thought it was PRS like ( Vela ), I dont really like it yet I'd give it a spin...it's funny how aesthetics effect so much of our ( my ) guitar choices...Thanks Trogly !

[@egnbigdave]

I'd have kept the SG.

[@danielbreaux1842]

I'd have to take the money! In these trying times, folding cash keeps us afloat!

[@egnbigdave]

@@danielbreaux1842 yeh that too.. but given Troglys "extensive" collection of four and five figure guitars I doubt he shares our worries...

[@paradiswest4395]

I REALLY dig that guitar. Cool looks, awesome tones.

[@slamcrank]

at 10:04 - that bridge with the 3 holes on each side... you mentioned that could give you 9 different positions. But it's actually 18 different positions! Crazy!

[@markjamesmeli2520]

If you've ever had the chance to experience a Gibson Grabber, or a Ripper...you know that Gibson had a period of time where they, kind of, "strayed from the pack" of their usual designs. Super interesting. Great job.

[@AlexEthier]

I'm not sure what it is, but this is the first coil split sound I've heard that I really love. Super usable, lots of character.

[@jonathanhudak2059]

I really like these guitars ever since seeing one on Troglys channel a year or two ago. I like the asymmetrical body shape, headstock and I really dig how it sounds! I also love how Gibson was going for a super Strat style guitar but in their own way, set neck, premium materials etc. If money was no object I'd be tempted, sweet guitar Trogly and what a find!

[@Miami_Luthier]

Cool detective work on the Posi Lok prototype. Your channel just keeps getting better!

[@ericbgordon1575]

The funny thing for me about the Victory line is how I saw a picture of the Victory Artist Bass before I knew the Thunderbird models existed. I should've known there were also Victory guitars. Regarding this one, I could see myself getting the H-H-H edition (if I could raise the money, didn’t have too many guitars already and wanted another Gibson electric). Seeing the cavity for the stacked bucker under the guard actuality got me pretty excited.

[@chitwoodbryan4HBVS]

CM means Chicken Machine!

[@TranceMasterJack]

Cajun Metal

[@ohmtronseedling]

i thought it was for Chuck Mangione because it "Feels So Good"

[@ethanhitchcock5431]

The fretboard is beautiful and I like the position of the dots ( I prefer dots-dots-DOTS !! )...

[@dikinebaks]

I wish you would have go and traded in CME and filmed there. It'd have been a more memorable experience, both for you and us, the viewers.

[@ckelly5141]

19:32 Just noticed…..great T-shirt Trogly!👍

[@wiseguy9202]

Given the other details, really seems like the CM would mean country music.

[@Trog]

It was found on both the MVII and MVX models so that is one thing against that theory

[@fredmerrill4002]

Plus, Gibson did make a model called the ES-335 CRR (Country Rock Regular), a guitar that's been on my wants list for ages!

[@wiseguy9202]

@@fredmerrill4002 Yeah my first time ever seeing one of these Victory CM's was back in the early 80's on the Grand Ole Opry. Can't remember which band it was but ever since it's always been a country guitar because of my early frame of reference.

[@dw7704]

I tried one of the three pickup versions years ago. It was nice, but not really what I was looking for. Lots of sound options can be cool, but some I didn’t like (at least at the time), some sounded similar to other settings, but some good usable sounds for sure. I guess I was looking for something either more Gibson-ish. I already had a Fender. But I wouldn’t turn one down as a gift. And those who do like them, love them.

[@ghosthawk65]

Fascinating. Overlaying photos of a MV II and a MV X seems to show that the X’s lower bouts and tail are shorter/smaller.

[@ckelly5141]

11:28 Really enjoy Forensic Trogly by this point. You sure know your stuff A.🎸👍

[@Photognick521]

I love how the wood on the headstock makes a natural stinger.

[@bluespinsix6987]

The bottom strap lock looks to be damaged by an impact. The flange of the strap lock has been forced up the ferrel. It is of the same type as the other one except for the gap.

[@jasonmeredith9173]

I thought that too

[@SixSixthSix]

That neck pickup! 🤤🤤🤤. Have a good one!

[@larryburwell8550]

pretty nice looking guitar. same burst as my 50 fender strat. nice video

[@joermnyc]

CM: Canadian maple?

[@erickmartin5667]

Those hard body contours are very reminiscent of Charvel and Jackson

[@georgeoh-well8116]

Comfy Moose

[@jimmyjames2022]

Gorgeous MVII Prototype! Great tones too. I agree the prototype's smooth contours are way nicer. But then the production's sharp edges kind of hint at the SG so that might be a factor to differentiate this from Fender models.

[@Halfaloaf599]

I wish someone would make these again. A strat shape, then the Gibson scale and neck with straight string pull. Nothing like that exists, and I’m going nuts!

[@Trog]

Cesar has been rocking modern prototypes so you might see them again

[@JuliusMas-bz6my]

Very lovely clean tones.

[@retromacman620]

Very cool design though, love the body shape and headstock! ❤

[@PeterMoore350]

Great trade Mr Trogly. I actually quite like the aesthetics. Having no angles from the nut to the tuners should give it great tuning stability too. Cheers from NZ 😎🎸🤘 PS cancer surgery this Tuesday- wish me luck !!

[@stereoroid]

The Victory Artist Bass looks very interesting. It had an EQ circuit designed by Moog, the synthesiser company. I passed on the chance to buy one in London about 10 years ago and regret it a bit. I know you don’t do basses much but I think you could make an exception for one of those!

[@Trog]

I did have a CMT version of one a long time ago that I sold to CME before a video could be made

[@frankw9619]

Is it me or does the upper horn look slightly different?

[@johnnyxmusic]

I really prefer the hard lines and sharp edges on the production model… I wonder if it’s also a way to keep the shape consistent where they’re doing the work because they have a hard line edge that they can measure to. Somehow, Fender figured out how to do all that body contouring on a Stratocaster, without having those same kinds of sharp edges

[@MarkEdward-bl6cr]

Im a big fan of these guitars they are so unique that makes them cool it's my favorite Gibson Strat style guitar nice prototype 👏👍🤘

[@ManOrWomanIDK]

There was a local band in my area that now broke up but the trio was so tight. The guitarist played a Victory and it made the band look more unique and stand out. Until he switched to a strat.

[@studowling]

I love Victories. You should keeo 'em both!

[@strat0871]

Love Victory series, basses too.

[@tonygaruba424]

The victory bass showed up in my local store late 70's

[@paulsadoff3661]

prototype countours are much like early '60's strat contours- nice and sculpted.

[@lilbitofOverdrive]

I really like this body style great find thanks for putting Gibson victory's on my radar

[@nicholasfernandez7455]

So you got that! I was very tempted to but it.

[@TM-ev2tc]

Have you ever had a guitar with a evertune bridge . Just curious.

[@Trog]

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[@ckelly5141]

1:24 The body gives me Moserite vibes.🎸🤔

[@DonAntonioCasanova]

That Posi-Lok seems to be broken. You can clearly see the seperation

[@ereimul1444]

Victory in Mod Collection would be epic.

[@peterpellerin1374]

Sounds good , great playing!

[@Madakalim]

I dig it!

[@sassycat]

My favorite Gibson series, I was under the impression that you didn't care for them. I'd be curious to know how much you'd want for the production MVII. Great episode, thanks!

[@Durmomo0]

That strap button on the upper horn looks like its going to be annoying

[@myoptik3x103]

Excellent, love super strats!

[@johnnyxmusic]

🍁 Syrup.

[@deanbartone8187]

I’d definitely play that very cool

[@Abel-8511]

nice

[@Sac_slappper_4rce]

Amazing instrument!

[@nigellanjuat3294]

Awesome guitar 🎸☺️

[@jameshughes6049]

Howdy everyone!!

[@MarkTurner-vs7uc]

Hey!

[@andrewdobosz3682]

It's ugly as sin, but I'll admit it sounds cool. The dirty tone was incredible

[@g-mac6846]

I want it

[@andiross8898]

When I bought mine in 1988/89? I was told that cm stood for country music

[@papasmamas1]

I think looks fantastic, just maybe the heel joint a bit clunky. But Cesar's one is super ugly.

[@rideough]

I want one now! I’ve known of them since the eighties but now it looks like a doom machine!!!

[@richardcarlson7802]

Another great show. Would not have considered this, but the demo impressed me.

[@StringTension]

Chucker mod? Chick magnet? That's ridiculous , I really doubt Gibson used either of those officially. More likely Ceramic Magnet or Cutaway Maple.

[@ckelly5141]

14:27 Hey….buy this guitar today, and at no extra charge, change your band’s name to: GROUND WIRE. 🎸👍

[@Ripzalot]

Kinda homely but its endearing. Would definitely rock it! I think the origunal shapes (strats, teles, lps, sgs) are so burned in our brains its hard to accept things a little different, for no good reason.

[@JimLenehan-j9j]

So Gibson will sue you for using the les paul design then produce a super strat why hasn't Fender sued Gibson? I guess the guys at fender are above others using their design ,

[@Trog]

Fender doesn’t have legal protections for their body shapes - only headstock. That’s why gibson is fighting as hard as they are to keep theirs

[@eharmicar]

Dings and scratches-The Horror,The Horror!!!

[@kelsyschoenhaar8717]

CM… country music?????

[@kelsyschoenhaar8717]

Or Cookie Monster.

[@JediRangersWorkshop-StarWars]

Nice

[@worksucksletsdrink6011]

I like it

[@polaritypictures]

Gibson should do s short run of these again.

[@John-x9x2q]

Turning into online guitar encyclopedia T.C.B.

[@jeffgolladay5813]

Looks like a reverse Iceman

[@Techead78]

It is tasty😊

[@rudiyantohalim736]

It reminds me of PRS MIRA

[@doctoribanez]

I really like that. I would play that today. They should bring that back. Metal af

[@guitarplayer6565]

I’ll never get mint condition guitar collectors. What is the point?

[@Trog]

Preserve history + Clean is easier to sell because less of a story when advertising and larger buyer pool

[@jordanpratt3821]

What is the point of wanting a guitar in mint condition??? That's a weird question.

[@guitarplayer6565]

@@Trog I’m curious, is a beat up well played jimmy Hendrix guitar worth more or less than a mint condition guitar he also owned but didn’t play and sat in a closet? I also don’t understand why companies like Gibson and Fender relic guitars on their highest tier priced offerings to look not mint condition. Why is Paul Stanley taking a 94 Les Paul custom shop and paying someone to make it look aged? Making it far from mint condition. I don’t think serious players give condition the time of day that sellers and collector pages seem to value. If you only value a guitar as dollar and cents or potential resell value later, then I guess I see your point.

[@TeleCathster]

“Authentic” Fender vibes more than Gibson for me! 😅

[@TylerJohnstonGuitar]

I’m a super strat guy, the non-LP episodes feel like Christmas! This finish is alarmingly similar to my 87 Kramer.

[@RoboSteave]

CM for Chris Martin, obviously.

[@BlissfulSunday]

Noice 👍

[@andreszuniga1826]

It sounds awesome.

[@starchores]

Classic Trogly move to trade one of the most sought after and beloved guitars for an ugly Norlin Gibson that literally nobody has ever heard of.

[@mknewlan67]

That upper strap button looks so ungainly. Why was it down below like that? Looks uncomfortable.

[@TylerJohnstonGuitar]

Could be to combat neck dive. But I agree, it’s ugly looking.

[@Trog]

One of the mysteries of the Victory series!

[@paultrombetta]

20:31 Spank!!

[@paultrombetta]

Nylon = tone / sustain or anything good is beyond me.

[@SaltyDraws]

I can safely say that design has never pulled a chick ever.

[@EdBGuitar52]

Famous guitarists aside, the people with the most guitars usually can’t play.

[@dougreed9843]

I bet the prototype was done by hand and the production is machined just a thought...

[@dougreed9843]

I like this piece a lots

[@Trog]

That is accurate based on a Chuck burge interview I read (at least for the victory basses)

[@johnnyxmusic]

I am first for the next episode! 😂😂😂

[@Trog]

yes you are! Coming in hot shortly

[@johnnyxmusic]

@@Trog 🫡🇺🇸

[@jeremyjames8678]

CM Custom Model

[@fugamantew]

You messed up…

[@watson123]

Looks like a Fender

[@antoonhermans8953]

thats one ugly guitar

[@hectormutton2542]

✌️

[@Intheflesh79]

🧈🧈🧈