I tried a Budget Hot Chocolate Maker!

[@mrbarrylewis]

I actually think the original spinner on the axle should have stayed there - that was just the stirrer, but it's essentially the same part and did the job! I was super impressed with this machine and actually warmed up some more soup afterwards for lunch (not frother though!)... for more individual appliance kitchen gadget testing videos like this, check this playlist kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZ2pipmeqbiWiJY

[@radfoo]

Ive had one of these a few years, its great. Children really like nesquik milkshakes in them, never put ice cubes in, not sure thats a good idea. Always think would be nice if the heater was a little bit warmer but overall is a great device.

[@thumbtak123]

@@radfoo I would check with the manual. Usually it says if it can. I heard stories of people having unpleasant things in drinks after using a machine that wasn't meant to crush or break ice. Not sure how true that is, but better to be safe than sorry.

[@georgiadreamingbb1245]

THE BASE THAT IS BASE- ICALY HAHAHAHA PUN 😆

[@hobnobrev9570]

I got a velvetiser last year for Xmas. It's amazingly good. Not sure what you meant about subscribing for chocolate packet deliveries etc. You can get the hotel chocolate packets from the shops and some supermarkets for it (just their own super high quality choc) but it works with pretty much all of them. (Willy's hot chocolate mix from Waitrose is bomb) I wouldn't put ice in it (prob work) as I'm worried that'd damage the spinner. But you could just pour over ice like professionals do for cold drinks? Spout and handle make it super easy to pour, it's self clean is very useful and it just works. Plus it's by Dualit so it's prob going to last almost forever. You should try one, even as a one off test.

[@Magenta80]

I would use the normal spinner and fill it up to max. Then I would add a small amount of milk with the frothier spinner and pour on top. If that makes sense. So I get a full cup and frothy top 😂

[@OhSoUnicornly]

"I was going to get Mrs B a Vulvatizer for Christmas!" No Barry, that's something else entirely... 😅

[@kingboy76]

Yeah, I winced every time he said that, was going to comment the same thing! 🤣

[@prehistoricpleb]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@verasileikis17]

😂Yes, velvet and vulva are two words that need to be annunciated carefully.

[@Aevilbeast]

LOL! I heard the same exact thing and I couldn't help but let out a childish giggle everytime he said it. I can't believe he didn't catch himself when he was editing it or watching it back. I like to think he realized but kept it in just for fun!

[@joacimnilsson6341]

I kept thinking "that sounds like something Gwyneth Paltrow would be flogging on Goop"...

[@tmf866]

Hot chocolate designed to be used with water has some powdered milk in it, so when added to water, it's milk (watery milk, but milk) which will froth.

[@markxxx21]

Most hot chocolate to be used with water has powdered skim milk in it. If you get it with actual powdered whole milk the result is vastly different.

[@Josh_The_Tech]

My partner has a very similar machine that he used once. So I commandeered it and use it every morning before I go to the office to heat milk to pour in my espresso and enjoy a Latte on the commute. Saves me so much money!

[@thumbtak123]

It does save money having your own machine, in theory. The reason I say "in theory" is now you drink more coffee. 😂

[@heatherchapple6244]

I will never unhear "vulva-tiser" 😑😑😑🤣

[@lruss5050]

My milk frother looks identical to this!

[@Janokins]

Oh the Velvetiser... I did think you were saying something else there for a second 😂

[@deezkeez]

Me too lol, especially when he was talking about buying it for his wife 🤭

[@66squeaky]

Me too 🤣🤣

[@suzettefaircloth5037]

He did say something else, he said the vulvatizer. Lmao. I wonder if that actually existed what it would do.

[@Tacozilla]

I bought the Dualit Milk Frother, which is exactly the same thing as the Hotel Chocolat Velvetiser (as Dualit make the Velvetiser!). £40 on Amazon for a used like new, and it works perfectly

[@Fushiswa1]

Hot Chocolate that you make with water likely has powdered milk in it, that is why it will froth for you :)

[@collectingonthecheap56353]

I enjoy hot chocolate powder with either water or milk. With water reminds me of camping trips of days gone by, while with milk reminds me of special holiday occasions.

[@tarry_ny]

1. You didn't froth the water, you probably added too much powder and it over frothed the milk powder in it 2. I would absolutely love to try hot cocoa mix that you made with different flavors!! 3. This is basically a milk frother, I have one very similar to it, it even says you can use it to make hot chocolate even though the main function is to warm and froth milk

[@emmajudson5945]

I think the metal springyding is meant to stay on the plastic bit, you just swap the plastic bit without, for the one with, depending on if you want froth or ... noth... *ill get my coat*

[@tonje_gram]

Yes, it's the dried milk in the instant cocoa powder. I wish you had tried dark chocolate too and pure cocoa powder with milk and sugar. TY for the video.

[@gennyjanedoe]

Love the review. Sadly I bought the Velvetiser before realising Aldi had their own version, but at least I got it in a sale! I do use the Hotel Chocolat chocolate flakes, but also other chocolate powders and it's great (the spout is better than the Aldi version too). Little tip: do try your white hot chocolate with a generous pinch of ground cardamom powder. Amazing!!

[@michellezevenaar]

Cardamom is amazing!

[@annecoffey8379]

Soup blender does the same thing!!

[@MrGrahamg01]

If I make hot chocolate with water, I always put the powder in a mug, add a splash of milk, use a fork and mix it into a paste. Then add my hot water. It always tastes better 👍 Apart from that...great video as normal 👏👏👏

[@hailey.hah01]

I don’t think the water frothed in the hot chocolate mixed with water. Instant hot chocolate actually contains milk powder so that plus water made milk that could then froth. I have one of these but used it to froth only before I was gifted an espresso machine. Now I wanna try making hot chocolate in it 😃

[@graceswain2623]

I got this exact machine years ago second hand without instructions and thought it sucked because, turns out, I didn’t know how to use it. This video literally changed my hot chocolate game! Thank you!

[@shandrabrooks6431]

Mrs. B saying that when it comes to Barry nothing is surprising, was the best moment. LOL

[@markfergerson2145]

Righ? If Barry managed to make pizza in it we'd all be like "okay, noted for future reference".

[@cylversprings]

Watching you makes me so happy. I can be in a sad mood and not smile for days and you can bring the biggest smile to my face. Thank you Barry.

[@cynthiamolenaar770]

Huh?! In the Netherlands we know this apparatus as a milk frother for your homemade cappuccino if you don't have a fancy espresso machine at home. Never thought of making the actual drinks IN it 😳. Thanks fornthis video!

[@OhSoUnicornly]

I suspect it's slightly different - we have milk frothers too, but this is meant to be different. Probably stronger and more able to withstand solid (albeit meltable) chunks?

[@ambrosesays]

Saaaamee! Tbf we have a fancy coffee maker now but still love to use it for some quick matcha mixing

[@samos4924]

Honestly, it just looks like Aldi repackaged their frother.

[@TheNinnyfee]

When it's non-stick and has a stirring attachment you can. I love it.

[@oliviadaly4795]

@@OhSoUnicornly I dont thinl it's that different. My brother's girlfriend gifted one to her mum for Christmas. My brother says the milk frother from our coffee machine does the exact same job

[@duallove6909]

The froth gives a creamy velvety feeling on the lips (which is devine). And … it helps to keep the coffee hot for longer because the froth traps the heat.

[@snarky4lyfe144]

the powdered stuff usually does not mix well in VERY cold liquids . with the "other " flavors of the instand drink mix , try not adding ice cubes , give it a quick stir before using the machine , give the powder a second to start mixing in . i always add two or more packets of the instant hot chocolate mix per cup , more intense flavor .

[@Thomashorsman]

Hot chocolate made for water has milk powder in it. That’s why you don’t need milk and that’s why it still frothed

[@thumbtak123]

From my understandings, as an at home barista, with my fancy espresso machine, the froth (if done right) brings the sweetness to the top. If you drink it slow, you get a little sweeter taste in each sip. Of course, the one in the kettle, is not a proper one. This is the one in the video. As an added note, the fats in the chocolate is what you most likely frothed.

[@marktrusty9758]

I use Ovaltine plus a touch of cinnamon with milk for my hot chocolate. Try it, amazing!

[@bryonyclough1781]

thankyou Barry my dad is impossible to buy (birthday) and because of this i was able to make an impossible thing in to something very easy love your videos help me lots as well during lock down

[@anndownsouth5070]

Barry just for fun. Try instant coffee and water and see if it froths. I think it might work, because years ago they had an infomercial for some sort of stick blender and they said you can froth water with it, but they put some instant coffee in it first.

[@hmoham]

I'm with you Barry, Instant Hot Chocolate that says to just add water does not taste good, I just ignore the instructions and use milk instead.

[@lollertoaster]

It's really a useful gadget for anyone heating milk on a regular. I always wanted a self-stirring pot and this is pretty much what it is, with more added functions.

[@totoroben]

One thing to consider with getting a milk frother such as this is check your hot water kettle, and get a froth device compatible with the same base so you can swap both out on your counter quickly. Most likely they will use the same base station, and this will save space on your counter and from having to switch the plugs back and forth.

[@robcar8354]

Yes the froth you got from that is because it's not just cocoa powder you put in it's hot chocolate powder which contains sugar and milk powder in the ingredients, I agree with you 100% using hot water is not a hot chocolate lol

[@victoriahayden2961]

Hot chocolate made with water is disgusting - I totally agree with you! I only make it with milk. I have this hot chocolate maker and it makes great hot chocolate - you just need to be really careful and not overfill it or you get a right mess!

[@hannahk1306]

I'm absolutely with you on the hot chocolate made with water front!

[@videowatcher6246]

Frothy tea is delicious. Where I live, some places serve a really strong tea with condensed milk that's tossed/poured in between 2 cups until it's foamy. Pulled tea. So good.

[@35geordielad]

There was a lot of hype last Christmas 2021 regarding the HC Velvetizer, but a number of people caught on that you can buy a hot chocolate throather at quarter of the price of the HC Velvetizer @99 quid. I bought the Asda throather, which looks very similar to the Aldi one your testing and it's great 👍

[@fraserkatie]

I have the actual chocolate velvetiser from Hotel Chocolat! I think its good but the drinks it makes can be very sugary in the sachets. Its also very bad when you clean it with cold water and a tiny bit of washing up liquid as you have to give it a through rinse. The sachets are also very expensive at £13 in hotel Chocolat

[@tanyamartin1388]

The one in the lid is just storage for the frothier. You can put it in the bottom when needed.

[@lisab.1595]

Barry, Put the machine away and make some Spanish hot cocoa. Use: 1/2 cup unsweetened cocoa powder, 1 cup sugar, 7 tsp. corn starch, 1/2 cup water, 4 cups milk. In a saucepan mix the cocoa powder and sugar, dissolve the corn starch in the 1/2 cup water, mix it into your cocoa mix, gradually heating up and adding your 4 cups of milk, let it sit for 10 minutes. I have a Velvetiser, however I haven't tried it in the machine. I just like my Spanish chocolate, it's like melted pudding. I use less sugar, but that's just personal preference . I first had it in Madrid, and fell in love with this recipe. In your machine, try mint cocoa powder, it's really good, just another suggestion.

[@skippy8874]

What I loved most was the KZbin advert during this episode was for a velvetiser hahaha

[@hazelmaple]

I make my hot chocolate with the mix and I will put some milk in first and mix it with just that first then I will fill the mug with hot water . The milk really helps bring it out the chocolate taste

[@rhondawest6838]

If your hot chocolate powder is too bland, try adding an extra spoonful of cocoa powder. Also, I think I really need a hot chocolate maker now. Thanks, Barry.

[@LiamFlanagan-dd9wb]

Thanks for the tip!!? I need one too 😂

[@ENGLISHBULLOX]

I add milk and sugar with my hot chocolate like a cup of tea but swap the bag for powder lol

[@rhondawest6838]

@@ENGLISHBULLOX I add milk too, though not sugar, because I'm sweet enough already. 😁

[@SuperPoopatron]

I bought something like this at B&M. It was really good as a milk warmer, but once I put Cocoa powder in the kettle, the heating just stopped working and all I can do now is froth milk. I have no idea how to fix it and I eventually stopped bothering on trying to make it work. I didn't want to spend another £25 on another broken product.

[@ausomebeak]

Thanks to this video we now own one of these exact gadgets! Well impressed with it...frothmagedon! Makes awesome hot chocolate and coffee!

[@johncrwarner]

Soya milk sometimes splits so I bought a cheap milk-frother to heat treat it and you video inspired other ideas for the milk-frother.

[@emma-victoria933]

Barry what I do with the instant hotchock. I pop the power in the cup the a splash of milk, mix to a paste, then add the water. X

[@alicetwain]

My hot chocolate maker costed me 5 euro. It's a small sauce pan. I place the cocoa powder, the starch, the sugar, a tiny pinch of salt, stir together, add the cold milk bit by bit stirring to combine, then I place on the very low hob, stirring until it's glossy and dense. If I am feeling posh I add a square of dark chocolate near the end.

[@slik1977]

I bought the Asda version, it does say only use twice in one sitting before allowing to cool, perhaps that's the issue with the water. I agree with Hot Chocolate only being nice with milk, with water it tastes like the diet coke version of Hot Chocolate ie: kack

[@btsarmyforever3816]

Hot chocolate powder with water = Brown mud water. No denying this. Before I became allergic to cocoa powder (I don't know why but these recent few months when I drink hot chocolate with cocoa powder, my throat starts itching and turns red. I have been getting allergic to certain ingredients and I believe chocolate powder is on the list as well) I loved hot chocolate with milk. I tried with hot water once, it's literally just mud water.

[@michellezevenaar]

The instant water added hot chocolate has a frothing product added so that even when you just add boiling water and stir with a spoon you will have froth.

[@safiremorningstar]

Because you put the ice cubes in if you hadn't put the ice cubes and it wouldn't have stuck to them the ice will cause the mix two stick together especially milkshake mix I have one that natural chocolate milkshake it's made with stevia and not sugar and trust me it will stick together come together when ice gets involved it's why using a blender is usually recommended if you're going to put ice in.

[@toast99bubbles]

I have the Nespresso Aeroccino 4 and use that for this same task. But I add the hot chocolate powder part way in because otherwise I get burn marks on the bottom.

[@noterix1164]

yeah, I hate instant hot chocolate made with water also. it just tastes so much richer if you make it correctly ! (that is to say, with milk !) now I want hot chocolate. I might see if my local Aldi has this thing. (I'm in the US, so not sure what you guys might have available that we don't.) awesome video !

[@danielpotkalesky9356]

Genuinely wish Mrs Barry tried this for cocoa at the end

[@MrRickytuk]

The froth should ideally be fully incorporated into the milk giving it a think, creamy texture. These auto steamers can't really accomplish that so you end up with quite watery milk with light foam on top. You made an espresso so I guess you have a machine. The steam wand will do a much better job that the jug.

[@philallen5406]

Hi Barry, just watched this video, we live in New Zealand, bought the VELVETISER hot choc maker last year when we were visiting GB, its we think its a much superior machine to the one you have tested, cost more but worth, lives by its name VELVETISES the drink😋

[@yamyam_1978]

Needs to be made with powdered milk, mixed to a paste with a bit of cold water (like angel delight) THEN add hot water

[@AndreaMabee]

Long time watcher, first-time commenter here! I love your videos and they always give me a laugh. I have a Nespresso milk frother that is literally the same thing so you opened my eyes to new recipes I am going to make in it!

[@oliviadaly4795]

Just a heads up, if you want to make cold coffee/drinks in the Nespresso frother, if you hold the button down, it cold froths (I have one too and my brother makes his GF hot chocolate in it all the time)

[@orientalmoons]

I've had the same machine from Aldi, called a milk frother and with slightly different appearance. I usually use it for hot chocolate because it's so much better than hand whisking it. You can froth just instant coffee if you make it really strong - see Dalgona coffee.

[@spankysmp]

Had to revisit this video to settle the water v milk argument. Don't drink hot choc well, not had it for years however.... Just bought the vegan Malteasers powdered drink from Aldi. Hot water added and it's amazingly smooth, creamy and chocolatey even with water.

[@karmah88]

i think the foam is an insulation layer to keep the drink warm. not sure what it does on larger though. makes the burps

[@Jake-gy9fq]

I was so close to buying one yesterday, but today I went in Asda and bought a milk frothy. They had one for £15 but it was silver but I spent the extra fiver and got black and rose gold to go with my kitchen and I’ve just made a hot chocolate in and it’s amazing.

[@FARBerserker]

depending on how hot this gets, could try coffee of tea in it as well. maybe the instant stuff that is mostly sugar?

[@rayroutledge5953]

We had a HC veletiser, it died just over 1 year, opened it up and several components exploded, found online they were made by dualit and same PCB in one of their models, just programmed different. Bought one from amazon for £33 to switch the PCB, but the misses preferred the dualit version so got rid of the velvetiser

[@kwahoo]

I like adding the ready to go coca mix into ginger-chamomile herbal tea. Adds some nice, rich flavor without adding milk.

[@Breakdawalls]

Bought the aldi version after watching the vid and got some work colleagues to buy aswell all of ours have stopped working after a few days and uses sadly

[@pamelakilponen3682]

Put a few drops of vanilla in the milk with a bit of sugar, great hot milk drink.

[@TheFruityKiwi]

I think the instant hot chocolate powder that are designed to be done with water I think normally contain milk powder, hence why it was able to froth? Maybe?

[@merlinathrawes6191]

I used one for a brilliant meringue mix with egg white and sugar. Lovely gadget. Don't use it for paint though.

[@markblacoe7725]

Totally agree with you. water hot chocolate is absolutely rank

[@KirstenMaudsley]

Love your videos and I agree with you about the water being with hot chocolate mix

[@xmarishx2472]

We have this in Australia from Aldi as well, but its not advertised for chocolate, just for milk and usually next to the coffee maker. Its a pain in the ass to clean, if you use a sponge you end up scratching the enamel. so I usually have to use my fingers because the milk sticks. i've had a few of these :)

[@Janmification]

Does filling it with clean water and running it again clean out the milk residue? Just a thought.

[@CharlieFlemingOriginal]

Use Gold Top milk for luxuriousness. The AldiTiser as I call it makes EXCELLENT latte. Add milk of choice and add a spoon of instant coffee basic or posh for a brilliant latte. It can also make great Birds Custard!

[@freibier]

This works the same as the Nespresso Aeroccino milk frother, with the exchangeable whisk, except that the whisk on the Nespresso one is held by a magnet.

[@withinjapan2024]

NOTE: it didnt mix it right as you put the ice cubes it it as it stops the spinner working properly and the ice cubes can damage the non stick surface inside

[@suzannejones5992]

I got one 2 years ago of of amazon for less than 18 pounds. I use it every day. Enjoy.

[@FunkyBuddha81]

Barry in the chocolate mix will probably be guar or something similar inside that thickens the whole thing, and dried milk powder that's where the foam came from.

[@TheNinnyfee]

I have that milk frother and love it. Storing the frothing attachment in the lid is just genius. Also great for kids that want hot chocolate after school, it won't burn their mouths and they don't make too much or burn the pot. But why did you break the frother? You already had the stirrer...🙈😄

[@fluffycritter]

I have a similar device by Bodum which is intended just for frothing milk for coffee drinks. It works really well for that, although it has way less capacity than the one you have.

[@Namasu604]

Hot chocolate mix with milk is nice, but with water is fine too. I think the mix usually has some milk powder in it already.

[@rachelh1720]

maybe the milk powder is why instant hot chocolate has always given me a stomachache. I got some good real hot chocolate (shaved chocolate) mix for christmas last year and I didn't have any issues with it.

[@silkedavid8876]

Thanks for the review, because I looked at the velvetiser, but the price! No. Often fancy a hot chocolate, but do not have a microwave, so need to do it on the stove, but whatever tips I try, the milk sticks to the bottom on my pan and is a pain to clean, so I do not make a hot chocolate. But hot chocolate does need to be made with milk. I worked in a coffee shop and we always used milk, despite having a mix with hot water, choc, sugar, milk powder mix.

[@josephag]

Used to work at bed and breakfast cocoa, met my now wife there. Best job ever.

[@KellyS_77]

Instant tea powder would do amazingly well in that! Try adding a bit of milk to your "just add water" hot cocoa mix, you might like it better. (add milk after mixing the drink).

[@nikolem5984]

Just use a regular stick thermometer. The laser is for surface temperature so it's not accurate for liquid or food.

[@SkyFellowship]

Came close to buying a cheaper one after my Velvetiser broke after many years but went for another on sale, because it makes coffee, matcha, tea, everything bloody else you can think of warm drink wise and it's beyond easy to clean which when you have many disabilities is a pro for sure. This looks canny for sure but without the non stick and the spout it'd be a nightmare for me personally, I'd end off burning myself trying to get the froth out and cleaning looks waaaay more complex with this.

[@mrbarrylewis]

That sounds fair enough, yes the spout is quite disappointing on it for sure!

[@fluxflaw]

Agree with this, sure the Velvitiser is more expensive but you're paying for the ease of use, better materials and build quality that come with it. There are exceptions where cheap isn't always better

[@rhondawest6838]

I'm glad you spelled out Velvetiser, because what I heard when Barry said it sounded more like something to do with female anatomy

[@petersargeant1555]

The interior is non stick, needs to be cleaned after each batch as the milk burns onto the hot surface which can affect the taste. It's a bit fiddly but not hard.

[@ravenskeep9009]

*Barry Lewis* the excessive frothing from the watered hot chocolate comes from the non-dairy creamer they use to give it some richness. Look up *Coffee Creamer No Bake CheeseCake*

[@CORNSNAKEM4TT]

Be a good video if you had the b&b cocoa version and compared it to the cheaper version side by side especially with Mrs B doing the taste test.

[@courtneyolson8028]

What is b&b cocoa?

[@CORNSNAKEM4TT]

@@courtneyolson8028 watch the video lol

[@yamyam_1978]

@@courtneyolson8028 Hotel Chocolat

[@courtneyolson8028]

@@yamyam_1978 so simply hot chocolate packets you would get when you’re on holiday. Ok. Gotcha. Thank you.

[@Hazmatti]

know it's an old video now but totally agree with you on the hot choc with water or milk.. cannot stand when it's made with water! it's just not nice at all.

[@richardcastro-parker3704]

you should still get the 'Bed and breakfast coco' velvetiser to see if it is better. you knever know it might be way better. I suspect it might be as it is designed by the UK company Dualit.

[@janp1088]

Im normally with you on hot chocolate powders with water, however there is one brand that I really enjoy here in Australia, and thats Quality Street hot chocolate powder, in Choc Fudge flavour. Now I think the winning point is that its a whopping 3 heaped tablespoons (yes, table-spoons) of mix per mug. Its rich, decadent, but I dont think you get much out of a tin. And I havent dared look at the nutritional info yet. It even looks like a rich hot choc rather than dirty dishwater. Really hoping Aldi bring this machine down under! I want one.

[@becky1992]

I'm with you Barry, on the hot choc with milk not water, also try nesquick choc powder, makes amazing hot choc.... also the huge tin of nesquick hot choc powder you can get, also doubles as normal milkshake powder, so 2 in 1!

[@ozfroggirl9221]

Powdered drinking chocolate mixes usually have some type of creamer in them. That would be what caused the froth.

[@poopascooperclarke20]

I’m pretty sure the hot choc with water has powdered milk in the powder hence the froth

[@chrisb197300]

If you love toberon then use that as well break it up and grind it works a treat my favourite 😍

[@saanrio]

The reason the coca with water frothed is because it contains powdered milk, which is why they say to just add water.

[@julierogers7685]

Hi Barry, you have just made me buy one, it was the last one on the shelf, fantastic hot chocolate,& froffy coffee, I just love this gadget x

[@michellezevenaar]

Try some Colombia or Mexican hot chocolate, it comes in a solid bar. It really needs to be mixed while heated so this could be a good product for making them. One brand is called corona...... it is amazing though.

[@jollylumpy6295]

We have just about the same thing here, but what wie do is just heat the milk and then pour it over Aero chocolate. Absolutly yummy. The Water-Hot Chocolate ist known here in German too, but we added some condensed milk too. Not my favorite, but it is drinkable.

[@graced8502]

I wonder if you put some grated candy canes and dark chocolate With the milkshake could you blend the milk without the frother then put it through again with the frother

[@kenyke001]

I never realised you can make hot chocolate or cappuccino in this! :D I have a similar one (from Aliexpress) and I always make a cappuccino with some instant coffee by mixing the coffee with some milk in my mug first, then pouring the frothed milk over it. I'll try it your way next time! Also, the frothy water: there is milk powder in the mix, which means you frothed that milk.

[@billybollockhead5628]

The powdered drink you just "add water" to, probably contained powdered milk, or a powdered milk substitute (guessing)

[@SleepySlann]

Hot chocolate is better with real milk, than the ones for water. But sometimes heating milk is just too much work and too temperamental.

[@janetmoreton4304]

Barry can you try gravy and angel delight would love to see frothy gravy .