I Tried Mario Wonder's Hardest Levels

[@turkeyman631]

Some people were complaining the game is too ez but as an old man I thought it was just about perfect. Way harder than any new Sup but easier than the originals is perfect if you ask me.

[@IVR101]

Perfection

[@aclonymous]

there's no way a person could genuinely think that unless they only got enough wonder seeds to make progress and completely ignored the expert badge challenges/special world, in which case yeah, if you're only playing the easy half of the game it's gonna be pretty easy

[@mr.theking2484]

The only people complaining about the difficulty not being up to par are the people who religiously play Mario games. Mario Wonder kicked my ass in many places.

[@WilliamJump-x6v]

its easy, but there are hard secrets. its like an ice cream sundae with a cherry on top

[@_WiZ420]

@@mr.theking2484 I'm not complaining about it, but I'm not like the rest of the Mario fanbase. I acknowledge that these games are E for everyone lol What most of these people do is fail to realize that they can make it harder on themselves, but a child can't make a ridiculously hard level any easier. After that, it gives a free window to shit on the difficulty of any 2d mario game after Lost Levels. But of course, the farther back you go, the more likely they get blinded by nostalgia.

[@pigs18]

I went into that final level with 99 lives and finished with 5. The fire gates and jumping on the balloon guys while invisible just made it nearly impossible for me.

[@fernfernfernfern329]

ive gone through over a hundred lives already and I havent reached second checkpoint yet

[@jeremybottoms7619]

I feel like I cheated I did every level with Luigi than I lost 50 lives on the last level and Gave into temptation and switched to yoshi and and I probably still wouldn't have it done now if I didn't have 3 other people there helping me

[@0304dina]

Oh these were my hardest challenges too! The fire gates were okay at some point but I've lost so many lives on the balloons. I got it at some point once somebody pointed out that Mario (or the other player) is always in the same place on the horizontal line

[@valdemarwindfeld2838]

I also went in with 99 but I ran out of lives

[@pigs18]

@@valdemarwindfeld2838 I would have too, but I fairly consistently reached the invisibility badge and there's 110 possible coins between the last checkpoint and the invisibility challenge. (I had plenty of opportunities to count.) I got pretty darn good at those sections.

[@michaelbellecourt3875]

I did Badge Marathon earlier today. When Fir started yelling "It's sooooo hard!" I felt it in my bones. I'm going to 3D print the invisibility badge so I can set it on fire.

[@Shiny_goomy_real]

Mf i didnt even die in that part lmfao💀💀

[@sinteleon]

the worst part is the spinning bouncy platform that threatens to make you miss the top of the flagpole. :P

[@rosanna3042]

EASILY the hardest part. I had to use turbo press on x to display the emote...

[@Mlaeaos]

​@rosanna3042 when I did it I forgot about the emote, but twirls ended up doing it for me

[@froggobonano]

@@rosanna3042 turbo press?

[@nemikoo23]

I feel "There is a checkpoint! Oh my god, they have a mercy" so hard. Doing it with a checkpoint every 3 stages was so hard, can you even imagine doing it without them?? Can't wait for all insane runs and mods you will do! Watching your streams and videos is always so fun :D

[@TtamZzz]

tbh I think the level is doable without checkpoints (not that I have the skill to do it or anything), but it’s just hard to learn and that’s where a lot of its difficulty comes from imo

[@candacevw]

probably

[@amaryllis0]

@@TtamZzz Yeah, the checkpoints don't exist because it'd be _per se_ hard to do the course all at once. They exist because otherwise each new section is increasingly more difficult to learn, because it takes longer to get back to it whenever you mess up.

[@Ash-yu2cj]

I can't believe that some people have said that Mario Wonder is too easy. I've seen people said that it would be better if it was more like Mario Maker... so nearly impossible to play and amateur game design. Cool.

[@b.swizzy5730]

Marathon you’re done you’re so done cause that is the hardest and they trick you over the semifinal test and the final final test

[@SkyBlueFox1]

One thing I find fascinating about Wonder’s harder levels is how they’re mostly designed to counter multiplayer cheese. There’s a lot of autoscrollers or “timed” levels, and by forcing you to constantly be on-the-move, it means you’re less likely to be able to revive via another player or a standee. You can’t go backwards in those levels, even as a ghost. Of course, whether this is a strength or a weakness depends on how much you like autoscrollers. :U

[@Gnarfledarf]

I think autoscrollers are worse than Nazi Germany.

[@jessedoesgaming2255]

The reward for beating the final final level is very reminiscent of beating the secret Star Road area in SMW and getting the entire games sprites changed

[@zekromfury]

Yeah! I just wish you were able to access it in the mid game like you could with SMW's star road so you could play the rest of the game with it

[@shankshifterr]

is there a vid of this? ive never seen it before :0

[@pigs18]

If you get a chance, drop down the tall flagpole with it in the third level. I was delightfully surprised.

[@Stevoisiak]

​@@shankshifterrLook up the "Sound Off" badge

[@shankshifterr]

@@Stevoisiak yeah ik that i have it! i was talking about the smw star world sprite thing :3

[@_WiZ420]

The Fluff Puff special level is insanely difficult when you attempt to get the coins in the same run that you complete it. Out of my entire 100% run, that definitely felt the hardest.

[@SalmonsAnimations]

Thats gotta be my favourite level in the whole game!

[@somekindofartist3855]

The badge marathon idiot

[@hulapunk6961]

I swear the hardest part about this stage is how laggy wall jumps are

[@davidhower7095]

If you want to get all of the coins on the same run, you pretty much have to use Jet Run or Fast Dash.

[@anthonyoliver418]

Good thing they save as long as you don’t leave the stage after collecting/dying, otherwise I’m pretty sure it would be harder than the true final test after you 100% the game

[@lasercraft32]

In the Final Wonder level (not the Final Badge Challenge, the level before it) there's a hidden Daisy block with a drill power-up in it, right after the falling pipe before the crystal area... I know because I played the whole game as Daisy, if I hadn't I would have never known it existed. The drill lets you basically skip most of the danger on the next part of the level.

[@hurou]

I knew about it from accidently hitting it

[@PitsaGuy1]

I got the drill from the start block and then crouched at the front of the pipe worm to avoid the enemies then I used drill to go on the ceiling in the crystal part then I used drill to go under all the spring enemy guys then I used drill to avoid all the sugar stars and go under the Hoppos later on. So drill is definitely the best power up in that level

[@_WiZ420]

@@hurou Found a ton of em that way. I’m one of the people that played Yellow Toad as well, so that one certain hidden block in that one Badge challenge never ended up presenting the same problem.

[@micahheyward5342]

In other words, the game is nicer to you

[@Grianfan90]

​@@hurouSame

[@sevenratsinaburlapsack]

I got to the last checkpoint of the badge marathon and had to put it aside for a few days because I was getting so frustrated, lol. Came back and beat it with a total of about 20 lives lost 💪🏻

[@lava1staff]

The fire bar level took me over and hour on that one part because I kept failing. Also the wall jump level once you got it down was satisfying.

[@darkhell66659]

Yeah exact same here. Especially with the flower following you around. Definitely died a lot in the crouching jump from stupid mistakes tho...

[@Skywolve1998]

It took me way too long to realize I had a mushroom saved up that would be perfect for getting past the Firebars. I didn't have enough lives left to beat the rest, but I just went and stocked back up on powerups when I game overed. I almost made it to where I needed to damage boost with the checkpoint mushroom too, but alas I messed up the first firebar.

[@soonerfan4321]

Spring feet can burn in hell for all I care

[@darkhell66659]

@@soonerfan4321 yes

[@esrohm6460]

i have yet to see a single person not dying to that one pipe in the wonder gauntlet. they really tested out the exact time a person would wait on top + what it takes to get below the pip to crush every person on their first attempt

[@KaosOrder]

Really? The grey pipes are only used for the falling pipes, so I didn't think it was as tricky as some of the other mechanics. The bowser statue level where you push, however, tricked me and literally everyone I watched (including fir).

[@CrackLionIX]

I haven't personally noticed that, but I've definitely noticed getting hit by that walking piranha plant at 15:40. Every person I've watched (myself included) has gotten hit there.

[@esrohm6460]

@@KaosOrder are they? then tell me in how many levels is that to begin with. i'm pretty sure in the castle they introduce this wonder effect there were also green pipes falling down

[@sinteleon]

@@KaosOrder Grey pipes, that existed/fell for only 1 stage, in the very first castle.

[@KaosOrder]

@@esrohm6460 there weren't any other colors, they were all grey. The only other "falling" pipes in the game are some triggered by touching flowerbuds.

[@oofble]

at 27:41 I love how fir says "this is my power-, my hands are shaking" lol

[@slasher3336]

That last level was brutal, especially the spring badge portion. I honestly considered going back to an earlier level to get a power up (and an extra to put in storage just in case), then using it to just damage boost through those last few fire bars. I _didn't,_ but I definitely thought about it.

[@ethsch13]

I did exactly this because I couldn’t make it through 😅

[@Faar22]

I used Yoshi particularly to get by this section. Nabbit is probably an even better option, as he has no knockback

[@timothy_17]

These levels are not just challenging especially when you're not using help from online players, they also really test your patience. If you get too excited and do extra move at the wrong time, you'll be dead. But they're fun challenges, not frustratingly hard that it's almost impossible doing it.

[@Unyubaby]

Fluff-Puff Special is definitely the hardest level in the game from my side. Timing the jumps and performing wall jumps on single blocks is insanely stressful.

[@TheMainAdog]

Awww that’s cute he’s complaining about losing 30 lives Me in the corner crying myself to sleep whilst I remember the trauma of losing over 200 lives on this level

[@ethsch13]

There’s something healing about seeing Fir struggle nearly as much as I did with the Badge Challenge 💀

[@Yamanj23]

Seeing you suffer in the Final-Final Test made me happy because I suffered a lot while doing it myself. I'm only mad you did the invisibility badge first try. I suffered a lot on this one so I didn't get the satisfaction of seeing you suffer on it as well.

[@CheesecakeMilitia]

29:56 beating the level but missing the top of the flagpole was some of the most salty rage I've felt in a game in a long while

[@josh-gu6zi]

That sucks

[@louiepikmin3184]

Yeah ngl I was pretty underwhelmed with the final level since it was just way shorter than I expected, but when I found out about the final final level... Oh god, that took me forever. It took me well over 50 deaths and that's with me cheesing the end by eventually getting into a run with other people to keep respawning eachother

[@zocata]

Nah cuz i’m doing the final final level solo i’ve gone thru more than 100 lives fs 😭 Even with Nabbit i’m stuck at the invisible badge it’s literally hell

[@mickeymoose9368]

It is comforting for me, a gamer who does not consider myself the “best” (but fairly decent), to know that I was not the only person who legit struggled in the goomba special world.

[@DulceCastillo-j9u]

I beat the goomba one first try💀💀💀

[@eyforlife920]

Honestly, I enjoyed it. It wasn’t too easy, it was fun to play, there were definitely challenges along the way. It was like I played the perfect Mario game

[@imright77]

I'm really happy I got to see Fir's reaction to the secret badge

[@canuckadian4733]

I loved this game. I really enjoyed having many new techniques/power ups. The most difficult part of the game overall for me was finding the secret exits/hidden coins. I had a lot of trouble with the very last level. I didn’t have many lives so once I went game over I only had 5 tries each time so even if I died after a checkpoint, I often had to start over. I’m glad they made a difficult special world. Enjoyed watching your videos! You did much better for the last level as I did at the start. I 100% everything except I don’t have all the standees.

[@Skywolve1998]

Fun Fact: At the part of Way of the Goomba where you follow a spikeball, if you just hold forward you make it safely, no need to hide and let the one behind you pass.

[@neco9590]

Somehow, of the "normal" special levels, the rhythm one was both the best and the worst for me. I liked that it was not as long as the others, so you didn't lose too much time with every death, but it was also so punishing if you weren't perfectly on beat... Also, the final final level is rough. That fire bar section, man...

[@jasonfoxfire9563]

The special world is honestly a prime example of what Nintendo CAN do and that's why it's nice to see it. The levels themselves are playful with things like the guy's massive hat being hidden by the cloud and the balloon off screen pushing you back near the flagpole and the difficulties/jerkish moments are a nice change of pace for how easy things tend to be. The game is made easier for younger audiences, but the addition of harder and meaner levels is a nice way to acknowledge the fans who've been around for a while. It's kinda like movement in Mario Odyssey. You CAN make it through the whole game without any particularly fancy tricks or moves but they're still there if you wanna play with them.

[@jakefromstatefarm6969]

A great game allows novices to complete it while allowing experts to schmoove

[@CamWithAQU]

Good lord, I can feel myself getting an aneurysm just by watching you play the last two levels. I can't even imagine completing this game. On the plus side, I think I've finally gotten a second wind for Volleyball 2 in SMO!

[@weirduncleterry1593]

I hated the Jump Jump Jump in the special world it took me atleast twice as long as the first jump jump jump

[@Glimmergrey]

YESS!! It took me literally 2 hours to complete. I had to get my family members to try it out before FINALLY getting it 😭

[@solarstorm5242]

I mean… it’s a special level stage. Difficulty is something to be expected for it imo. Sorry to hear it took you so long though ^^’

[@weirduncleterry1593]

@@Glimmergrey 2 hours!? It only took me and my family (but mainly me they gave up) about 20 minutes! Or 30 I wasn’t counting

[@weirduncleterry1593]

@@solarstorm5242 that is true but at least I’m on the final test level now

[@WhirlyBeepBoops]

It's funny, I had more trouble with the non-special version. Past a certain point, Climb to the Beat is nothing but full running jumps and wall jumps, which felt more consistent to me than Jump Jump Jump.

[@gluba7065]

I think I spent more time on that spring section than the entire game combined, I actually restarted the level from the start so I had a shroom for that last Jump

[@iyan.manbun]

The final test (not to be confused with the final final test) can be cheesed to the end with just the drill powerup, and you dont need any of the orange badges to cheese it, so using the drill badge, you can just cheese the level without having to wait for too many things

[@Grianfan90]

During the crouching high jump one, you can just hold zl the entire time, and it makes it easier; no accidental ground-pounds, no plummeting straight into lava because you didn't hit crouch the *exact frame* you hit the zip track, etc.

[@rocketfrogg2023]

The fluff puff peaks special level had me BEGGING for mercy. The fact you managed to do it losing a couple lives was really impressive to me. To put it in perspective, I bought the 99 lives, did the level and had 32 lives left. I don't know why it was so difficult but I am happy I never have to do it again.

[@jadonbridges5999]

Watching him do the invisible section so quickly makes me question reality

[@Hi......................]

Same i failed on that so many times

[@43madnox]

the final final level made me realise why so many people enjoy kaizo rom hacks and stuff like that, it was the most fun i ever had with a mario game. the game was already so good

[@Damariobros]

I'm not even sure it's possible to get all three wonder coins from Climb to the Beat and complete the level all in one life, except for maybe using the dash badge and some frame-perfect pixel-perfect turns or something. Most of my 9 deaths were because I kept trying to get all of them and complete the level all in one go. Also why do you have the flowers muted? Hearing them cheer for you after finishing these difficult levels is the best feeling ever! Especially at the end of Climb to the Beat, they yell, AMAZING!!! And it's the best thing ever!

[@carlyleahpearson]

Funny story, when I played the badge marathon with my little brother we got to the spring feet badge and I died, I expected him to immediately fail since he was not any better than me but he somehow full speed ran (I guess bounced 😂) through without dying or getting hit once and when we died later in the stage and got a game over HE DID IT AGAIN. My little brother is a pro 👍

[@imspoilerina9228]

for the wonder gauntlet, i used the drill! it makes the first few parts of the stage really easy!

[@strikermodel]

16:32 Having the cannons face left and they shoot to the right is some kaizo level trolling lmao

[@Sniper20657]

Badge marathon took 70 lives for me but completing it felt so rewarding 😂

[@Chris.Batchelor]

At least I’m glad to know the spring badge section was hard for you too. I was stuck on that section for so long.

[@NPKhero300]

watching you struggle on the last level makes me feel better LOL awesome game!

[@LiamDaGoat119]

Me: Havent Beat the last level, and I've had the game for a year My Dad: Beat the last level in 3 months Fir: Beat the level in a day

[@davidmeld]

This has convinced me all the more, we need a spring power only run

[@ana7icia]

you are evil

[@filmedbyjamesss]

I don't know how ur so good fir! It took me like 10 days and 500 tries to beat the fluff puff peaks level😭

[@TheDarkPeasant]

I feel like the badge marathon is gonna be like the sans fight in undertale where people do 6 hour streams just to beat it once and in a few years we’re gonna have “Mario wonder but every level is the wonder gauntlet and badge marathon together with no coins or checkpoints” type thing

[@KennyFranko-army]

Special World-1 Pipe-Rock Plateau Special Bounce,Bounce,Bounce Special World-2 Fluff Puff Peak Special Climb to The Beat Special World -3 Triple Threat Deluge Special World-4 Sunbaked Desert Special Pole Block Allure Special World-5 Fungi Mines Special Dangerous Donut Ride Special World -6 Deep Magma Bog Special Solar Roller Special World-7 Petal Isles Special Way of The Goomba Special World-8 The Semifinal Test Piranha Plant Reprize Special World-9 The Final Test Wonder Gauntlet Special World-10 The Final-Final Test Badge Marathon

[@lindsaysolomon6512]

Good job, Fir for beating the special world and that final difficult level. When I did that level, it was SO hard that I lost hundreds of lives, then I beat and felt so relieved.

[@epezel5133]

I definitely thought Badge Marathon reminded me of Champion's Run in 3d world that took me hundreds of lives. They were equally difficult 😂

[@Left_Joy-Con]

A good tactic I found for the invisibility section of the Final-Final Challenge was to keep a power-up in reserve and then press X to get it to start spawning, which creates a bubble above your character. Just don't let it fully form. I think this is a bit easier than trying to spam the emote! (and it enabled me to beat the section first-try!)

[@GimmeRIGS]

The only thing that threw me off was that I got Incredible TWICE on the Badge Marathon stage and finally got Wonderful on the third try.

[@gettinggamer5297]

me personally, i think the fluff puff peaks special is still the hardest in the game after 100%ing it

[@ThePileatedSnagret.]

HOW IS THIS GUY SO WHOLESOME😭😭😭

[@lulilee4152]

mad props to fir for beating the spring jump section, when i tried it i ragequit and had to come back as nabbit 😭 easily the worst badge in the game for me

[@hankpeterschmidt8626]

I used Yoshi for that one on my first run but then came back as Luigi to clear it more authentically.

[@adamdaroff]

Almost never comment on anything, but watching you struggle with and react to Final-Final almost exactly the ways I did is one of the most relatable things i've ever seen. I've seen what you can do in Odyssey, so this is surprising in the best possible way.

[@onebear6504]

Imagine doing an invisible badge solo run on the special world levels without relying on Yoshi or Nabbit lmao, it's either pain or bro your muscle memory are unrivaled

[@nuggetproductions9739]

I played the goomba level a couple of hours before watching this and I can confirm that it is truly that hard

[@Grianfan90]

The Pipe-Rock Plateau special is really easy to cheese with Jet Run, you can get up to the second hippo with pretty easy jumps.

[@andrewblackley7672]

the fluff puff special level is just on a whole other level of difficulty, I lost 20 lives on that 1 level and that level actively punishes you for going for the purple coins. I want to know what kind of drugs the developers were on when they made this level cause it just ain't fair.

[@jasonzervos]

The final-final level was SO enjoyable! I died a lot but I enjoyed it! It was the perfect ending!

[@greentiger332]

Fir in the Invisibility section, "Check point?! ... check point?.. ...check point..." Me: I know how you feel, man.

[@ebberry_jay3144]

Watching fir play this final level makes me how he'd react to after alterna in splatoon 3

[@Fusiondude]

I can't wait for someone to do an any% run using the invisibility badge the entire game

[@kaedynnewberry4515]

In my opinion, the best power-up for the second to last level (the Wonder Gauntlet one) is the drill mushroom. It just makes the level so much easier. - Sincerely, a Drill Mushroom enjoyer.

[@Echo_the_half_glitch]

The "Sound off?" Badge feels like a 'you didn't have to do this, you know' kind of thing.

[@redjarman]

the final final level took me easily over 60 lives, most infuriating thing ive done in ages

[@quirkycookie8372]

5:06 Fir: I missed one? Me at 4:55 *LITERALLY SCREAMING* Ok he realized it at 5:25

[@venom00125]

Everytime he mentions a check point my Final Final Marathon PTSD kicks into overdrive

[@Kir-bea13]

I wish that this game was more like Mario maker or Celeste with the death counter and getting to see where you died Y'know just to make those things where you can bet on how many deaths you'll get on the next level

[@andrewmclaughlin6210]

You know that they basically gave this to the developers and told them to go absolute chaos. And the developers had a blast making these.

[@meowlord47]

I love how he is like "Its the final level" when going to the wonder gauntlet and there is still half of the video left.

[@ricardoperez7999]

Idk why but I love seeing people go through the same pain I went through

[@maynator]

Bro!!! You beat that invisibility part on your first try! That took me like 3 hrs to beat that part. Nice job!

[@Night_birb]

The final final badge marathon made me use 190+ lives. It was hell

[@hugwug2121]

I always thought wonder gauntlet was really easy for the “final” level

[@Delta5Qmp]

Thank you for sacrificing your cardiac health and sanity so that those of us who would die trying can see the end of these levels!

[@bowieinc]

Great video! My first time seeing you. I wanted you to know how much I appreciate you producing videos without the bad language most channels use! God bless!!

[@im_a_tide_pod]

The bonus levels are one hell of a difficultyspike

[@thenewhiltonsapples8813]

The hardest badge to get is sound off it come from the final final test badge means you have master your badges😊

[@wolfpack8920]

The badge Marathon the hardest part was easily the spring jump badge. I lost so many lives on that part. Just to go all the way back to the crouch jump. I went in with 50 lives left with 8. And i did all that just to miss the top of the flag pole by a few inches... But second go wasn't actually that bad. Only lost like 5-10 lives

[@shmooters5599]

I’m still stuck on the final level because that invis section is horrible

[@IVR101]

Get two people, then one of them will have a crown, so you’ll know where you are 😊

[@shmooters5599]

@@IVR101 Ty, finally was able to beat it that way

[@IVR101]

@@shmooters5599 😊

[@underbaked_biscuit]

“The six main special levels are done, supposedly there are only two left” Said the man who had yet to experience the final final stage.

[@TheRealusDealus]

To the part of Nintendo’s team that developed the Final-Final stage, You decided to add the invisibility badge + triangle bouncers + bubble fish, with NO CHECKPOINT beforehand…you will be receiving a bill from my therapist shortly.

[@Galarticuno]

I thought a lot of the levels were fairly difficult, but not unfairly, save a few. The Goomba level has parts, especially with those spike balls, the Wonder spike ball tricks you often in that last section and is just overall hard, and I honestly couldn’t beat the Spring Jump section of the Final level without online respawning

[@AndrewTheZ]

"It's like pinball." Pachinko. Mario has done this before.

[@CyaninAnimator]

I hate that world 3 one because the lakitus kept sniping me because their balls ricocheted onto me

[@dhi_holo]

With Fluff Puff (climb to the beat), I ended up using Yoshi and poison bounce to beat it the second time (the first time I missed the wonder seed by a second)

[@VancoldGH]

"Do the unthinkable, play as luigi" i played through the whole game as luigi only xD

[@Evyatar-hh1zg]

It's okay that you have died 50 tames in -The Final-Final Test -Badge Marathon I died 300 tames

[@rageaholicc]

The final level has taken every ounce of my anger and i still havent beaten it

[@DarthBaza]

It stressed me out so much watching this and realizing I will have to do this to ;)

[@funtimeanthony2184]

The fact you can skip most of the last level with drill is crazy

[@ProjectE.G.M]

only thing that could make the grand finale better is if there where no checkpoints and large purple coins didn't save if you die.

[@pabzaf231]

Fir every second:That's mean!!!

[@TrickShotandGaming]

Bubble is actually very useful if you can do Infinite Jump with it.

[@apollolux]

I just finished the game myself yesterday (five of six medals, just need to finish getting all the standees or something), and I maintain that regardless of how "expert" they wanted the Invisibility Badge to "feel" that this is the worst possible way they could've implemented it, especially for a Mario game. Nearly every Mario game before this one (and most other games with decent "invisibility" power-ups) that had invisibility didn't do 100% or nearly 100% invisibility like this game did, usually going for semi-transparent or character outline or other similar rendering. There was always some mechanism to keep the _player's_ visual focus always on the character on screen even though the power was usually that _enemies_ can't see you. This game did that very poorly with this badge since being 100% invisible except for in front of certain backgrounds you have to rely on extremely subtle visual markers like run puffs or jump twirls, hoping there are pots or shells to carry for a more substantial visual, or in the worst case changing to a very uncomfortable claw grip to spam the emote button while still trying to deal with the run, jump, and twirl buttons. Absolutely the worst badge in the game and I personally never touched it beyond the badge trials and the final badge marathon.

[@miwestraveler3986]

That's... the entire point. It's _supposed_ to be a pain in the ass. Making you only semi invisible would make it a regular badge and not an expert badge. So yeah, sorry but I'll have to bust out the old classic : Skill issue.

[@apollolux]

@@miwestraveler3986 I didn't say it in my original comment, but the alternative should've been replacing it entirely with an expert badge mechanic that relies on _actual_ skill to get around the disadvantages rather than mostly luck like this particular implementation of invisibility. "Always bouncing/jumping, but your jump button jump can go higher" is an example of a skill-based expert badge done right, while this specific implementation of invisibility has _basically zero_ redeeming features since "not triggering enemy radar" is essentially useless in practice except for the one Goomba-based Wonder Seed.

[@miwestraveler3986]

@@apollolux With all the small visual cues you can use to locate yourself, as well as your knowledge of momentum in the game, the invisibilty badge absolutely is based on skill and not luck. It just takes a different set of skills than what's normally required in a Mario game. I agree that the three expert badges are not balanced at all, with two of them being very useful despite their problems, but the 3rd being mostly a challenge badge with very rare and situational uses.

[@apollolux]

@@miwestraveler3986 I acknowledge the visual cues, however minute and subtle they are, in my original comment, yes. I think our fundamental disagreement is whether the overall package presented by this particular implementation of invisibility is considered "skill-based" or not, and while I can definitely agree with you that it "takes a different set of skills than what's normally required in a Mario game" (especially considering that they seem to change Mario's physics, particularly momentum, in every engine if not every game, and that doesn't even account for stick vs pad preference) I would still disagree that _in the context of a Mario game_ that makes it more skill-based rather than luck-based. That's not even including my longer argument about "invisibility" vs "video game invisibility," which I've only touched upon in my original comment here.

[@doim1676]

When he played the last level i thought "well seems like maybe i could be better at this game than fir" because he died all the time at all the easy parts i blasted through... And then he one shots the invisibility badge. I easily spent a whole hour just on the very last section with those balloon enemies. That humbled me quite a bit, i guess when it matters and hes concentrated i dont stand a chance xD

[@DiMychael]

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[@Carlhero-ce2xq]

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[@ahmedkhirsan8512]

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