Imperial Fists Vs Raven Guard - Horus Heresy Battle Report - Age Of Darkness

[@EAfirstlast]

stone gauntlet is just very dumb

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Needs to go back to being balanced at only being +1T IMO… maybe…

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

Beautiful armies, mates- and sorry, but I’m a bit biased in favor of the Raven Guard, as they’re my army, as well. The dynamic poses that you’ve achieved are something above and beyond! Thanks for representing the XIXth so well 👍🏻

[@devildogwargaming7594]

Thank you. 😊

[@nukedukem4260]

Yeah I'm not even a diehard RG fan but that flying dropkick dude shouldn't be allowed to be killed in a game...EVER.

[@connorseabright1404]

His army is awesome

[@spraynprey5172]

The batreps from this channel might be the best on this app/website. Once I stop switching legions and finally settle on one I'd love to bring it in to the studio.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Awesome mate! Would be glad to have you! Thanks for the kind words!

[@spraynprey5172]

@Bearfoot Miniatures I have a very unique army I'm working on right now. Once it's at around 2K points and painted I'll see if I can bring it in to the studio. A few months of hard work to go yet.

[@warpaintjj]

Great game, great armies, great terrain, great fellas, great chat! Keep ‘em coming 👏

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Cheers mate! Miltia vs ravens out this Saturday and got a bunch more in the bank!

[@ortegaja0704]

Nice to see Steve on the channel, had the pleasure to play those beautiful RG at No Retreat!

[@devildogwargaming7594]

Hi Jason!

[@BearfootMiniatures]

hes a top bloke! really enjoyed having him on!

[@clownhater7329]

Two great looking armies. Those 4+ rerollable saves are mad.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Cheers mate! I’ll pass that along! And ye 100% agree, SG needs to go back to +1T, can’t believe that’s the “tone down”

[@Infernal_Puppet]

@@BearfootMiniatures just don’t give the storm shields +1T again, else we’ll have bigger problems…

[@shadowops666nate5]

Quality game, beautiful armies and really liked the sort of commentary rules and tactics clarifications etc helped a lot

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Cheers mate! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@connorseabright1404]

Cheers! I don't normally do it but I think it's great to learn legions you don't play !

[@Skylifter1000]

Really fun batrep to watch, and awesome armies. I especially love the Raven Guard, they have been painted with so much attention to detail - really, really good. Also loved the outcome. (spoilers for anyone not finished watching). I thought if that pinning check had not gone wrong on the Furies in turn 1 (and I knew it would as soon as he proudly proclaimed they were stubborn on Ld10 due to the chaplain, I just knew he could not make it now :D ), he could have charged those Phalanx Warders a turn earlier and he might have been able to finish them off before Sigismund joined there, and he could have then managed to eke out a win. So don't ever go "Oh, they are stubborn on Ld10, hur hur!" :D Just a few rules mistakes to point out ( looks like a lot, but it just happens, I just write this down mostly to learn it for myself, and maybe you'll pick up one or two as well: - Castellan gets +1 shots on HEAVY weapons, the Illiastus assault cannon is now an assault weapon, so he did not get that. - Also, the assault cannons get Gets Hot when fired in a reaction, that would have been quite a few armour saves after shooting the Leviathan, which might have resulted in that Leviathan actually surviving later. - Sigismund is Fearless, and units with any fearless models in them cannot use reactions that grant damage mitigation rolls - like Evade. - The Phosphex discharger is however only poisoned (3+), not Fleshbane, which may have balanced those statistics out. - You also forgot to leave the template as dangerous terrain, which might have slowed the Templars down slightly. - In the multiple combat with the Dark Furies you would have had to allocate each of the Furies' attacks to either the Phalanx Warders or the Templars (depending who they were engaged with), and the Fists player could only then have chosen the allocation within that unit each time, not between any of his models. - Also, the Phalanx Warders' invulnerable saves would have gone to 5+ when there were only two left, or likely a lot earlier when they were not in base contact anymore - the +1 only applies for each model that is in b2b with at least TWO other models with boarding shields, and that condition wasn't met anymore quite early on in that combat, and even earlier for some of the models on the sides of the unit. - The successful invulnerable saves vs. Sigismund by the RG praetor would have had to be rerolled, resulting in more combat res - not that it mattered. - Then in the last combat, you counted Sigismund's warlord trait and the vexillum, but they explicitly do not stack, so the target number for the assault marine would still have been 6, not 5. Did not matter either, anyway. - The assault marine then rerolls for preferred enemy (independent character), but he is attacking the Phalanx Warders, and they don't include an IC.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Glad you liked it mate and 100% agree on the pinning having such an effect on the game! Will try and get those interactions down in future games and glad they didn’t spoil your enjoyment!

[@NobleNayrb]

I just subbed, I've been crushing the heresy reports. There is a huge quality change. Y'all are making great strides. Keep it up. I love the content.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Thanks mate! glad you think so and have been enjoying them! (definitely an ongoing project of improvement but good to hear its improving!)

[@Roylevis]

Great looking armies! love the RG thou! sweet Batrep, just what i needed on this saturday.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Awesome to hear you enjoyed it mate!

[@DashCatchCook]

Beautiful armies, great sportsmanship!!!

[@lohkee]

Thats a great looking board

[@BearfootMiniatures]

I’ll pass it along to Steve (I can’t take credit it’s his board) lovely isn’t it! All upscaled 3d prints from grim dark terrain!

[@jovenlawrence4977]

Keep in mind sigusmads squad can't evade because hes fearless. Any unit that has fearless can't take the evade reaction as per the faq

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Hey mate! So in our group (I’ve just asked to make sure) -faq says can’t have a reaction that grants cover, armour or invun but evade is a damage mit save and only the fearless model can’t use shrouded Up for a good reason of us being wrong though cos it feels a bit ridiculous to me, and I thought it was maybe better for the game…

[@willhighfield6773]

Absolute stilton levels of cheese from IF as usual 😂

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Would it be an imperial fists game without?! I did actually play a non cheese my IF player at Rakalian wars tbf, so they’re not all bad

[@Infernal_Puppet]

That’s why they are yellow

[@wallerl2896]

Stunning armies. Essex has a breakthrough of heresy between wayland games (hockley) and 4tk (colchester) had the joy of playing against Connor a week or two ago 😜

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Eurgh: I’m sorry to hear it, hopefully you wiped the floor with him!

[@connorseabright1404]

Haha this was recorded a bit before we played I think bud

[@wallerl2896]

@@connorseabright1404 yeah I remember you mentioning it mate. 😉 Fafnir running away from the leviathan... not so brave was he 🤣

[@connorseabright1404]

​@@wallerl2896 he very much did do this 😅 will play so more, maybe reach out to max get on the channel man !

[@wallerl2896]

@@connorseabright1404 haha could do!

[@trentslater9688]

Hello, great game with 2 amazing looking armies. 1 question at 1.25.22 the phospex launcher wounded on 2's but the weapon is strength 5 with Poison 3+. What rule had this wounding on 2's?

[@devildogwargaming7594]

I got confused during the heat of battle. I thought that it was fleshbane 2+ at the time.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

As Steve says, mistakes in hot blood (I think it’s come from them being on 2+ in first Ed as I recall?!)

[@chrisgraham8368]

Hey guys, love your channel. Great game. Only a small rule issue to point out, Imps first turn with recon squad…disembarked and moved……can only fire nemesis bolters at snap shots

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Cheers mate! The recons had infiltrated rather than getting out of a rhino (is it the first turn you mean) a warder squad disembarked and moved next to them if i recall correctly)

[@chrisgraham8368]

@@BearfootMiniatures Yeah, fair play on that one. My bad.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

@@chrisgraham8368 no worries man; if it’s not obvious at any point really it’s down to me not making sure it’s clear enough (always stuff to improve!)

[@newtpondskipper]

Well I have to say it's interesting that most IF list are the same. Boring after the first twelve games. Both armies look great but biased for RG, obviously.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

You made it to 12!?

[@connorseabright1404]

I think all armies end up with a baseline to them, fists is probably just more pre-set than others.

[@newtpondskipper]

@@BearfootMiniatures Hahaha! I mean for watching, I'm blessed that no one wants to run IF in my area.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

@@newtpondskipper I agree with Connor on the above in relation to it really: being really good as a faction is good power wise but can result in negative experience for the player (not wanting to feel like they’ve purposefully made bad choices to make bad choices) What’s the reason in your area?!

[@betobrakmo9157]

Loved the game but the imperial fist player I think maybe got some rules wrong. Imperial fist iliastic Assault cannons have the malfunction rule so when he intercepted or retuned fire on the leviathan the assault cannons should have gotten gets hot. For shield wall to work with the phalanx Wardens you need at least 3 models with a boarding shield. Also When the last two phalanx wardens charged they shouldn’t have not gotten the reroll invulnerable save. Under the stone Gauntlet RoW you cannot charge and still have the reroll.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

oooh good spots mate, mistakes made in hot blood I think though, so will have to forgive him (will look out for those mistakes in future though) Glad you enjoyed the game!

[@lonelysandbar]

I know it's confirmation bias, but bah gawd the amount of 11s and 12s I've seen rolled on pinning tests. When pinning works it's so good!

[@BearfootMiniatures]

I’m still in my month of not complaining about pinning not going off I think but ye them vs the ravens was harsh in the extreme

[@nathanvarley542]

Great looking armies and board. Dear God they need to fix Imperial Fist though. They are not fun to play or play vs. No idea why they thought a 4++ then a 4++ then a 5+++ would be a fun idea. Not to mention the shooting shenanigans with assault cannons hitting on 2s 😅

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Mate craaaaazy isn’t it, just mental stuff all around in that list

[@jackfrew-brown1005]

When you use precision strikes, don't they have to be allocated first? So potentially if you over allocate you will lose some?

[@BearfootMiniatures]

With primachs they have to be allocated after the hit rolls but the normal prec strikes follow the same as normal wounds just a different person allocating!

[@Vrooten]

10/10 batrep, 0/10 Essexisms!

[@BearfootMiniatures]

I know, feel so cheated we got no “geeza”s

[@connorseabright1404]

Next time I promise

[@Thillidan]

I think you missed that Sigismund makes people reroll successful invulns.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

oooh ye: though lets not tell connor, hell never let it go!

[@philipfreeman4029]

Great bat rep guys , well done I love the buildings did you make them yourselves ?

[@BearfootMiniatures]

They’re 3d prints from grimdark terrain mate (that Steve did, I can’t claim credit)

[@CaptainPlunk]

The heavy support squad should have the night fighting debuff for the leviathan intercept (I saw several 3s on the roll) Sigis can't shroud as they are fearless 🙂 This if army is so so nasty! Great armies though 👌 Thanks for he batrep

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Cheers mate glad you enjoyed it! Oops on the night fighting! Didn’t even pick it up in the edit! The faq had (sadly) made it only models with the fearless rule who can’t gain shrouded, so despite getting the benefits of the fearless from sigi the rest of the squad can evade… lame… Ye I agree the whole makeup of that fists army is brutal, even down to the rhinos negating warders’ downside of being slow, so they’re anywhere they want to be with their 4++ rerolling And sigi, the lascannons, everything!

[@connorseabright1404]

Imperial fists get a +1 for rolls to hit on the assault cannon so it goes up to 4's back down to 3's on the plus 1 as they are seen as a auto weapon

[@abbadonslostarms-kbd1393]

That Tshirt lol

[@peterdavies6660]

Stone gauntlet is so broken 🤣🤣🤣

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Absolutely mental isn’t it: just crazy

[@chrisgraham8368]

Hey,where did you get the Raven Guard T-shirt

[@devildogwargaming7594]

I got it at Warhammer world, but it was a fair few years ago now. They no longer make them.

[@cristianmeiler4031]

Someone forgot the gets hot on assault cannons

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Oooh ye on the reactions! Completely!

[@SpeedFreek13]

Castellan gets plus one shot with heavy weapons. Assault cannon is Assault.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Eeeh was Connor just doing 4!? Too many benefits he couldn’t remember them all haha The ass cannon always actually used to be heavy so always catches me out!

[@Horseman_04]

Where do I get that Awesome Terrain?

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Hey mate! That’s actually Steve’s terrain, he 3d printed broncofish’s grim dark terrain stls at 350%

[@vostokcosomonaut5205]

Where is the terrain from?

[@BearfootMiniatures]

hey mate! Its upscaled Grimdark terrain stuff that Steve printed out (360% I believe is what he did it at, and 355 fits on an ender 3, shame mine just keeps fucking up or id be smashing it out left and right since ive seen his

[@ero9841]

Yeah I wouldn't play against imperial fists. There broken.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

It means we can all hate them more and more! Everyone will be Iron warriors soon enough, if not in name then in spirit!

[@ero9841]

@@BearfootMiniatures I ment to say a tournament list of fists

[@padanfain7466]

Try fighting the Custodes....

[@ero9841]

@@padanfain7466 i have them and there scary.