Why “StitchlineGames” CREATES More Problems Than It Solves… || FNaF Theory

[@Cxsonn]

Something that a lot of people ignore is the fact that _The Ultimate Guide_ actually implies that the StitchlineGames theory is false at the beginning of the "Fazbear Frights" chapter. "Sometimes fiction-particularly short fiction-can provide a window into important concepts, characters, and technology. These elements can help resolve mysteries of the past or seed new things to come... The Fazbear Frights series offered all this and more..." This quote literally tells us that the Fazbear Frights (FF) series is meant to "help [us] resolve mysteries of the past or seed new things to come" rather than being directly connected to the games' continuity. If Scott Cawthon wanted us to know that the StitchlineGames theory is true, then he most definitely would have had the fact that the theory is true be in _The Ultimate Guide._

[@muriloilharodrigues4724]

"Errrr....TUG is inconsistent 🤓☝️☝️"

[@Cxsonn]

Now that more _Tales from the Pizzaplex_ books have been released, I keep seeing the SitchlineGames theory more and more, and it's beginning to scare me. If Scott Cawthon confirms this theory to be canon, it could completely wreck the entire _Five Nights at Freddy's_ video game timeline in so many different ways.

[@firewings9954]

No, it'll just wreck your interpretation.

[@UnSerHumano6307]

​@@firewings9954True

[@loganentertainment1814]

I do think the Stitchwraith is a cool character, but having it in a game kind of throws off the whole mystery of Fnaf. I always thought it was a stand-in for Golden Freddy after we learned it isn't Ennard. It would have been cool if it was Ennard. Because he would have fit the bill. There are still a few things about Fnaf that's still a mystery, but that's what makes Fnaf good. The mysteries, and us as a Fnaf community trying to solve those said mysteries.

[@datonegod3496]

Ennard is a they, the funtimes.

[@sensevison1464]

@@datonegod3496 bro its a fictional robot stfu

[@theworstchannelever6196]

You forgot one contradiction in Into The Pit. Oswald finds the children in a room labeled "party room", but the MCI were killed in the safe room.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

True

[@josepruitt1811]

I’m pretty sure it means that William made the safe room look like a party room.

[@theworstchannelever6196]

@@josepruitt1811 the room is literally labeled "Party Room"

[@anayup7730]

@@ImpulseEvan37 sorry man I’m sick with a tummy virus

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

The kids in Into The Pit are inside a room labeled as a private room.Theres a "party room" inside a private room.Considering those are pretty contradictory,it seems like,StichlineGames being canon or not,Afton made a party room in some way inside the Safe Room to lure the children in the Stichline.Or it's partially innacurate due to the memory being corrupted,and this particular change is fusing party themes with the children being lured to a private room.

[@wutrudoin]

6:03 There's literally arcade machines with ignited Freddy and Ignited Bonnie from TJoC. If that confirms StitchlineGames then that means it also confirms TJoC is canon to games.

[@jakubgrono9070]

Well considering fnaf games are canon in fnaf fan games are probably too

[@wutrudoin]

@@jakubgrono9070 Scott said that fangames aren't canon.

[@jakubgrono9070]

@@wutrudoin i don't mean that evens of the fan games are canon i mean that there are fnaf games in fnaf lore and is there are the fnaf games that means that there are the fan games

[@wutrudoin]

@@jakubgrono9070 I don't think Scott would do that.

[@larrymantic2635]

Punching Bonnie would be canon.

[@Daily_Dose_of_Grass]

Basically, any fnaf content that isn't the game itself is just a representation of the actual game's storyline. Like the books, novels, etc are universes parallel to the fnaf games that aren't (and shouldn't be) the main focus, because Scott knows if he connects them all to the game it will be a huge mess. So he is able to give more fnaf content without ruining the game but at the same time giving fnaf, In general, more popularity and understatement to the game in a different perspective. Therefore making your theory correct and thus being valid for the game to be correct. I think that's the reason why Scott disagrees with matpats theories because matpat tries to connect the stitch line games with the fnaf games, which makes the whole fnaf lore scrambled as both aren't meant to be connected directly. Buts only a theory, A GAME THEORY!! *Because we're all still unsure....*

[@jp-toaster]

Scott literally said the Fazbear's Frights would fill some blanks from the past

[@Daily_Dose_of_Grass]

@@jp-toaster and I like that but some theorists put more than enough ideas from cross-content into the games, that is what I'm talking about. my mistake for not applying this earlier.

[@jp-toaster]

Wonderful video and theory! Honestly I don't get how some people just think StitchlineGames is a fact, when it really isn't, also another slight contradiction is how the Man in TMIR1280 has no mention mechanical parts in him, which would make no sense to not mention since he got crushed by a metal rabbit suit and re-build himself with another suit after a fire

[@ImpulseEvan37]

I did think about that but I know people would just write that off as it burning and falling off of him

[@Cxsonn]

@@ImpulseEvan37 The thing is, though, that William Afton’s body would have had to be burned, too.

[@LiMe251]

Is TMIR1280 part of the stitchline

[@jp-toaster]

@@LiMe251 yes

[@LiMe251]

@@jp-toaster oh? OH YEAH! Forgot that was the same William that Andrew tormented, been a while since I read that one

[@ImmenseAndrew]

Disagreed with a couple points, but overall incredibly based. I feel very vindicated as one of the only people not finding StitchlineGames very convincing in a community where virtually every other theorist has accepted it. Your point about the Puppet sinking to the bottom of a lake and then reappearing under the FFPS location in SB sent me laughing, as I had somehow never considered the glaring discrepancy.

[@Cxsonn]

The Shadow/Eleanor does seem to at least be somewhat of a parallel to Elizabeth Afton/Circus Baby. Firstly, the name “Eleanor” sounds at least a tad bit similar to the name “Elizabeth.” Secondly, Eleanor’s design is similar to that of Circus Baby’s. Thirdly, the Shadow/Eleanor is described to have a very manipulative personality, and she is said to use others like puppets to get what she desires. This is similar to Elizabeth Afton/Circus Baby in *Five Nights at Freddy’s: Sister Location*. She manipulates Michael “Mike” Afton so that he would unknowingly help her create Ennard, which would eventually lead to his death. Fourthly, in “To Be Beautiful,” Eleanor practically steals Sarah’s body and indentity. This could be a partial parallel to how Ennard (who was controlled by Elizabeth Afton/Circus Baby) steals Mike’s body and identity until his corpse becomes too rotten to use as a disguise. Also, Eleanor is notorious for using disguises in the Stitchline, so this is another parallel to Elizabeth Afton/Circus Baby.

[@Songal18]

Thank you for the Cassidy explanation. In fact thank you for this entire video. You did so well on it.

[@CruzingAroundTheBlock]

Hey fam. :D

[@Songal18]

@@CruzingAroundTheBlock Hello

[@Cxsonn]

This is one of my favorite videos of yours. It just completely hits the ball outta the park. Great stuff!

[@agonyremnanttrap6789]

Great theory! I personally 100% agree that StitchlineGames has problems. Scott made retcons… a lot of them. If StitchlineGames Become Canon, then it'll have a lot of plot twists/plot holes.

[@sebastianszyrwinski9320]

@AgonyRemnantTrap There is only one retcon, not many

[@pr.depper4819]

@@sebastianszyrwinski9320 I think he’s more talking soft retcons, recontextualizing existing things that clearly weren’t intended when the games were made

[@sebastianszyrwinski9320]

@@pr.depper4819 You can explaining what are you talking about? Because I don't know your idea in this comment.

[@pr.depper4819]

@@sebastianszyrwinski9320 like not changing details established but recontextualizing the meaning of events that clearly didn’t have the that meaning originally, like follow me being soft retconned to him disassembling the animatronics for their remnant

[@sebastianszyrwinski9325]

@@pr.depper4819 Some example?

[@funtimefreddy4204]

Let us StitchlineDeniers unite!

[@jakubgrono9070]

Y E S

[@CruzingAroundTheBlock]

YES!

[@CarnidevRae]

Dude I got bad news

[@CruzingAroundTheBlock]

​@@CarnidevRae StitchlineGames is not true.

[@CarnidevRae]

@@CruzingAroundTheBlock nah it is now, the newest TFTPP just confirmed that all of TFTPP and FF is cannon lmfao, pretty impressive that they managed to destroy like 88% of the current story with one book

[@Jedi-ge6lr]

While TFTPP is definitely canon, Stitchline Games creates too many problems.

[@shadowfan115]

Here's the thing about Andrew and Cassidy Andrew is Cassidy's stand in for the books

[@TH3ORYCHUM]

I think the major plot points directly disprove Stitchline games. MCI are Gabriel, Susie, Fritz, Jeremy, and Cassidy. Andrews existence as a reference to GF would make it 7 MCI, not 5. (Depending wether or not youd also consider Jake a "victim", I majority do because even though he died of natural causes he didn't choose to posses the Real Jake) Also, the Bite of the Crying Child never happens. In The Real Jake, we get Evan and Michael. Evan is alive at the beginning and in the military. Also, I think there's so many similarities between Baby and Eleanor because I think Afton made Eleanor using remnant, but he discards her, which is why she's found in a car dump, she follows her programming and returns to Afton, even trying to help him until the Puppet comes in. Afton likely discarded her because she was self aware and put herself first.

[@higueraft571]

Actually, if i remember right, Jake never possessed the doll, he simply gave it Life? Much like Henry did with HIS doll, likely a different flavor than Agony (or perhaps it does include Agony, as a sort of "core component"?). Animating without a required Death. I'm also not sure if it really appeared after, it's been a while...

[@ImpulseEvan37]

You do not remember right

[@TH3ORYCHUM]

@@higueraft571 He possesed the Real Jake. Then later part of the Real Jake, I believe a facial piece, was put on the Stitchwraith. While a battery part of Fetch was put in as well. This is how Jake and Andrew are in the Stitchwraith.

[@ayuubabdi9053]

I fully agree on the problems on stitchline games, which i don't really get why the theory stitchline games even exist as a theory to be honest. And i never notice things in the Fazbear frights book that actually is evidence against stitchline, like the Vengeful spirit voice being different from Andrew, and back to the future. Great job on debunking stitchline games, this video makes more convinced of me not believing stitchline games, this is the ultimate video of debunking stitcheline games.

[@NahuelLaxaltRuiz]

i'm spanish and most of the spanish fnaf community believe in stitchline, i was just talking with someone and they said that "stitchline is confirmed and has no flaws" and i started to believe him.... until i watched this video lol.

[@TheThunderRabbit]

Seems really cool, I'm gonna put this in my watch later! Also, who else has/will get the Security breach theories today? I will!

[@agonyremnanttrap6789]

24:21 OMG GlamImpulsiveEvan is Canon Everyone!!! :troll: Edit: Ngl, StitchlineGames is bigger than BV5TH. It's BV5TH 2.0 lol!

[@Sketch-ic6jf]

Well, since I’m mixed about StitchlineGames, I’m going to try to come up with counterpoints: - If Scott’s not talking about the Stitchline stories, then which stories are directly connected to the games? (Because in his words, it seems that there are some stories that are in the game timeline). - The reason why the people are running away is because their children are missing because the kids were killed in an area is off limits to the public. So, I don’t think the public saw the bodies. - Eleanor might have just affected the memory of MCI and the date of it. - YTB is probably not canon, so there could be an alternate version of the story in Stitchline. - CODB also hints at Andrew’s existence since FF was planned after FFPS and it actually seems that there was 8 graves in CODB rather than 7. - Andrew’s death might been shown in Stage 01 or he could have also been the 6th victim and was murdered in July 1985, but was never reported maybe because his parents were neglectful or he was a homeless kid who ran away from home probably when was he was young. - The 2 brainwaves in Afton’s brain might be Andrew and Cassidy fighting control over the brain rather the body, because William is never shown to be torturing TOYSHNK in UCN. - It’s possible that Andrew could be TOYSHNK/Fredbear while Cassidy is the VS/secret whisperer/Withered and 9800 cutscene Golden Freddy. - And even if Cassidy isn’t in UCN, OMC could be telling her to rest because he doesn’t want Cassidy to follow Andrew’s footsteps. GF in the 9800 cutscene could be her refusing to rest until Afton is killed. - Also, if Cassidy was TOYSHNK, I don’t still understand why they call her with male pronouns because I find the argument that they’re talking about the suit and not the soul kinda dumb. - Vanny might have used Freddy to find the burnt endoskeleton and the corpse in Burntrap could be one of the construction workers’ bodies. - Vanny probably used a Springtrap suit from the Fazbear Funtime Service and some parts of Glamrock Bonnie. So, that is all the counterpoints I have.

[@Jedi-ge6lr]

The the pronouns counterpoint: It should be noted that in the same game, The Puppet is referred to as a male in it's mechanic description despite the soul that possessed it being a female. Plus, Fredbear/ Golden Freddy is supposed to be a male.

[@Sketch-ic6jf]

@@Jedi-ge6lr But that’s a little different because it’s talking about the animatronic because Charlotte is not possessing the Puppet in UCN but the animatronics here are talking about the soul, not the animatronic.

[@hithereIexistig]

counterpoints to your counterpoints "If Scott’s not talking about the Stitchline stories, then which stories are directly connected to the games? (Because in his words, it seems that there are some stories that are in the game timeline)." the stories that aren't a part of the Stitchline exist, y'know (Lonely Freddy and In The Flesh for example) "The reason why the people are running away is because their children are missing because the kids were killed in an area is off limits to the public. So, I don’t think the public saw the bodies." ITP outright states they were killed in a party room though? "Eleanor might have just affected the memory of MCI and the date of it. YTB is probably not canon, so there could be an alternate version of the story in Stitchline." Please provide evidence for your previous two claims "CODB also hints at Andrew’s existence since FF was planned after FFPS and it actually seems that there was 8 graves in CODB rather than 7." There's so many alternatives to it being Andrew it's not even funny (random SAVETHEM kid, Elizabeth, HW-Jeremy, Tape Girl, Micheal, Henry, etc) "Andrew’s death might been shown in Stage 01" I always just kind of assumed Stage01 was meant to represent the Bo83 due to Fnaf 4 not being planned around the release of Fnaf 3 and the fact that you play as Fredbear rather then Springbonnie "he could have also been the 6th victim and was murdered in July 1985, but was never reported maybe because his parents were neglectful or he was a homeless kid who ran away from home probably when was he was young." The only way I could see this working is with AndrewMM, which I strongly disagree with for a number of reasons. "Also, if Cassidy was TOYSHNK, I don’t still understand why they call her with male pronouns because I find the argument that they’re talking about the suit and not the soul kinda dumb" TCTTC from Fnaf 2 refers to Charlie as a he, likely due to either A) it was retconned (I find this kinda unlikely due to Scott first working on The Silver Eyes around the time of Fnaf 3, which he started immediately after Fnaf 2) or B) the minigame was referring to the animatronic that Charlie possesses. if option B is correct, then it could be the same situation with Cassidy.

[@Username-pz1te]

@@hithereIexistig to your point about ITP, it also says that the children were in a Private Room. What may have happened was William used something as a distraction, as he used the animatronics malfunctioning as a distraction in the Novels

[@higueraft571]

@@Sketch-ic6jf I will point out, one thing explained in the Trilogy. The Dead Forget, their memories become fragmented, they forget details including their killer and their identity. Henry in 6 even mentions "Elizabeth, if you even still remember that name", as if he doubts she KNOWS her own name... though this is probably weak evidence. We do know that, say, Susie? She wouldnt think of herself as Susie, but as Chica. Same for the rest. If the Puppet is Male, and Fredbear is Male, if you stuff female souls into them...? You'd theoretically end up with a "she" referred to as a "he"

[@BlockyProduction116]

23:01 the way people use "remnant" as an excuse for Afton having two arms genuinely frustrates me.

[@sirfazbear4993]

Well Vanny/Vanessa likely gave him Bonnies Endo and remnant could have helped restored it( for filler reasons)

[@SomeonesBestFriend11_SBF]

Stitchine games isn't Canon but Casody (being the vengeful spirit) kept William alive in Scraptrap/burntrap unless his soul is within Glitchtrap-

[@sirfazbear4993]

The princess quest 3 kinda answers that

[@ZirconiaGacha]

Basically all the books cause problems when applied into the games (unless the books is directly about the games, and even them there's still issues). Illusion discs make it so we can't trust any detail in the games (even the important ones), a book made MatPat spiral into insanity and void FNaF 1-4 even though even he hated said theory, and honestly I just consider my "canon" to be a main AU of mine because the lore is so tangled already (EG. Shadow Freddy not being evil in my version of things even though the games say otherwise). While I will pick-and-choose what to believe from the books, I still mainly stick to the games for information for a reason. And while I'll take the Word of Scott at any time, there are times where I'll deny it until it fits cleanly. It seems stupid but honestly I'm kinda just doing my own thing here while not saying "This is the undeniable canon of the series". TL;DR: If you want to make this easier on yourself, make your own timeline and use it more like an alternate universe to hopefully keep people from coming after you for it. Works for me, mostly.

[@fishbot9902]

Also fucking ignited bonnie and ignited Freddy are on a couple of arcade machines which REALLY doesn't bloody work with the main canon

[@funtimefreddy4204]

No mention of the huge one? The fact that Funtime Freddy is in shambles and isn’t in Count The Ways?

[@funtimefreddy4204]

@LimeFrost Art evidence?

[@LiMe251]

Is ctw connected to the stitchwraith stories?

[@Greatman460]

I have a small theory not related to this but related to Fredbears so the golden freddy we see in fnaf 2 is the original model for fredbear but I think that after the FNaF 1 location fredbears tried to open again after William was springlocked because all the animatronics were gone except golden freddy and since the Springbonnie suit was missing they had to make a new one and that is the suit william uses in FNaF 6 and that is were the UUcn fredbear design come

[@goncaloandrade5866]

Look, I don't know if this could be right or not because I never read the books to confirm it myself, but I found someone saying this contratiction of StithlineGames because of the timeline. "Here's one of the reasons I don't believe the Fazbear Frights take place on the game timeline. I believe that with just a little detail we can know the approximate year of the Stitchwraith Epilogues. In Epilogue 9 it is mentioned that the blood in the marble pool appears to be over 30 years old (not quite 40). The ball pit began to "bleed" in 1985 (Kids Murder). If we are going to put 1985 to 2023 (FNAF6), we will have 38 years. Okay, even with that description. However, we must remember that the epilogues take place years after William was in the hospital and years after The Man In The Room 1280, that is, they would have passed since 2025 (4 decades). That is, if the Fazbear Frights were to pass the game timeline they would have a SERIOUS problem with date conflicts. Because the epilogues following this passage says were supposed to take place between 2015 and 2024 at the most (IMPOSSIBLE dates for these events in the games). Well, once again, William spent YEARS in the hospital (after the fire), and more years passed after he left there, that is, more than 4 decades would pass, not 3. (If all this happens together with the games)."

[@Reiner8783]

Before i started watching this channel i was of the belief that all the fnaf books and games (exept for the silver eyes trilogy) was in one connected universe

[@firewings9954]

There were actually 6 victims, Andrew. UCN HS years explains how there was a secret 6th victim.

[@hungriaiaro]

24:24 Ultimate Boring Bozos, based.

[@ikaiju-eu9wn]

i both love and hate stitchline games, i love it becouse it would be nicely in one universe with no alternate timelines or other universes, i hate it becouse of all the reasons in this video

[@kittykat1791]

Yeah... books and games are just alternate stories of the same characters, I think.

[@QuinB_29]

I know Trevor is kinda true at this point and that Gregory eyes turn to static when Vanny's around but why does his eyes see stars whenever moon shows up

[@benwelsh5265]

StitchlineGames does make things needlessly messy and the Game timeline is messy enough as it is.

[@thecriticalone1783]

Legit I listen to this at work, among other things.

[@Shoopert]

Great video! I don't like people taking the books as fact or using them as evidence for theories that have no basis in the games so I really appreciate hearing you debunk this

[@CarnidevRae]

Uhhh bad news, the newest book with a story called GGY has confirmed that every tales from the pizza Plex book and Fazbear’s fright are cannon in the game

[@personexisting123]

@@CarnidevRae No It doesn’t? At most, it confirms that the Tales of the Pizzaplex stories are canon and at worst, just that story is canon.

[@CarnidevRae]

@@personexisting123 nah, ggy confirms that all of the other TFTPP are cannon, and by that extend so is the one with elanor, meaning Frights is cannon too

[@personexisting123]

@@CarnidevRae Proof?

[@CarnidevRae]

@@personexisting123 literally in ggy

[@QuinB_29]

I think that in universe the fazbear frights stories are actualy stories made by fazbear entertainment or by the actual creators of the fazbear frights in fnaf 3 as merchandise

[@Uzi6855]

I think the same thing

[@sensevison1464]

why would fazbear entertainment make storys about people being mutilated at their businesses and by their machines

[@QuinB_29]

@@sensevison1464 liķe mentioned the tales from the pizza plex they're making money from the rumours they've embraced their past also this would explain theEaster eggs in security breach also it could have been made by theowners of the fazbear frights attraction.

[@higueraft571]

@@sensevison1464 is Fazbear Frights the location even directly FE owned?

[@mibsaamahmed]

Nice theory btw who is stichwraith suppose to represent in the games

[@jakubgrono9070]

I think golden freddy...?

[@jp-toaster]

Not anyone in specific imo

[@Wattson19]

Golden Freddy

[@CruzingAroundTheBlock]

Mr. Krabs.

[@CruzingAroundTheBlock]

Please don't delete this.

[@JD-xz1mx]

It seems foolish to say the ultimate guide shouldn't be taken into consideration at all. Should it be taken as reliable? Clearly not. But the odds that Scott put absolutely no new relevant information in the ultimate guide strikes me as near zero. The guy puts major lore drops in children's word search puzzles. The idea that the *lore book* didn't have any intended useful lore information just doesn't hold water. The mistakes are sad of course, and should be taken into account for any theory that utilizes the ultimate guide, but you're throwing the circus baby out with the circus bathwater. If you disregard the book entirely, you will be missing whatever information was deliberately added to the book to help you. For a series with as little direct information as fnaf, that may mean you're rendering the lore unsolvable at this time since you're disregarding some of the puzzle pieces.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

this issue is that if there are mistakes in the book, some mistakes even being that it gets things that are directly told to us wrong - and i mean regarding the lore - how can we trust that other things it says are right? that doesn't mean that it gets absolutely everything wrong, but because it does get some things wrong, theres no saying for sure what ISN'T wrong if it hasn't been confirmed in other areas of the series.

[@dakotawarner9385]

Villiam?

[@jp-toaster]

24:21 lol

[@sensevison1464]

stitchline games is one of the worst fnaf theorys up there with bv5th and miketrap

[@jakubgrono9070]

Don't Forget about *_THE DREAM THEORY_*

[@sensevison1464]

@@jakubgrono9070 OH BOY DONT GET ME STARTED ON THAT ONE

[@sirfazbear4993]

@@jakubgrono9070 Dream theory is debunked imo and destroys everything that happened through all 9 games, if anything Fnaf 4 was like a dream but it's just the perspective of Micheal being tormented by his little brother

[@jakubgrono9070]

@@sirfazbear4993 i know that that is why i wanted him to add it to the worst theories

[@sirfazbear4993]

@@jakubgrono9070 I understand lol

[@jakubgrono9070]

There reason i hate stichlinegames is becuse it would make faz goo a thing in games

[@stephanehubert5304]

I think there ballora and chica

[@duckman9327]

I hate stitchlinegames

[@jp-toaster]

Same, it adds nothing but contradictions

[@agonyremnanttrap6789]

StitchlineGames makes no sense.

[@jakubgrono9070]

Yea i once found a dud that thought it was real he was really irrtiatning

[@EvyDevy]

So you bring up good points, and I agree TUG shouldn't be taken as 100% reliable but here are my counter arguments: When Scott said "Fill in blanks of the past", he likely was referring to Into the Pit (MCI), Coming Home (Proves Susie is Chica), The New Kid (Shows who Golden Freddy is) and You're the Band (Takes place some time after FNaF 1). Eleanor appearing in a small spin-off isn't the same as appearing in a canon story book. We don't know for sure if Eleanor is the actual enemy of Frailty. The shadow could be someone using her power or their own power. Fazbear Frights started being written before FNaF 6 came out and finished before Help Wanted came out, so it would make sense not to reference the last 3 games. Already said this in another video but in the original novel trilogy, July was when Charlie LEFT her old town. Not when the incident happened. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, SAVE THEM happened all over the building and at closing hours when William was the night guard unlike during the MCI. There is a possibility that the room where William killed them was the Safe room and likely wasn't used like it was in the FNaF 3 tapes till later. We have no proof of how/when William actually kills the kids in the games and even if we did, how did he stuff the animatronics if they were all on stage? He likely had to have done it after everyone left. I don't think Toy Chica's side story is meant as something canon. Personally don't believe Mike Schmidt and Micheal Afton are the same person so I don't believe this to be an issue with Stitchline. Scott said there wasn't any retcons aside one, which I doubt this is it, so making Mike Micheal would be a retcon imo. Mike also only suspects there's something wrong with Freddy's whereas Micheal would know more about it like he did Elizabeth. Personally, I think the FNaF 3 minigames take place before FNaF 1 since they sealed Springtrap in the safe room at the same time Phone Guy was alive. So they would be possessed during and after FNaF 1. I suspect they got into Molten Freddy some time after YtB. SpringTrap IS inconsiste-. One of the epilogues did show he can regrow parts though. There's also the fact Burntrap in SB has his arm back, so this wouldn't just be an issue for the books. Cassidy hasn't been confirmed in UCN? What made you think that? Old Man Consequences is just a figment of imagination created by Andrew. Andrew sounding famine wouldn't be a surprise since woman do voice act children and maybe Andrew's voice sounded more rasp since he was talkin directly to someone now. As for how William could still be under the pizzaplex, I'll wait till Tales of the Pizzaplex and the DLC of SB to come out before being sure he couldn't have got under there and why the path was built. I don't see the issue with Shadow Bonnie. Freddy Fazbear locations had to have opened before the pizzaplexs started. I mean Pizzaplex technically IS a Freddy location. Circus Baby Pizza likely reopened like Freddy's did.

[@jp-toaster]

"OCM is just a figment of Andrew's imagination", I love when people bring theories in their evidence, that aren't even confirmed

[@EvyDevy]

@@jp-toaster There's no evidence for being a seperate entity and TMitR1280 confirmed only 2.

[@Symryte]

Bro Stitchlinegames are cringe and Coming home and Count the ways proof it.

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

Coming Home isn't in the Stichline tho. Or at least,it's not confirmed to be like Count the Ways is.

[@Symryte]

@@bernardomiguelgamer5295 Gonna be honest tho, it's very likely that the Susie from Coming home was in Into the pit as a MCI kid.

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

@@Symryte Eh,debatable. Pretty sure coming home is implied to take place in modern day,so that would contradict the MCI in the Stichline being in 1985,but i dunno. Point still is,it's never shown to be connected in any way through the epilogues,so thats not really solid evidence against or even for anything still.

[@Symryte]

@@bernardomiguelgamer5295 Atleast Stitchlinegames isn't canon, am I right?

[@QuinB_29]

Could Vanny be a robot just try to think on that

[@KikiCatMeow]

We see her mask get taken off in one of the SB endings, and she feels pain when the bots rip her apart. I doubt she’s a robot

[@QuinB_29]

Ok I'm just saying when she is ripped apart they never show us what happened and her mask may be removable however the rest of her suite is completely stitched closed so unless she was planning on living in that suit for the rest of her life it doesn't make alot of sense also when she falls off the building there isn't any blood and just keep in mind that Freddy also seemed inactive when he fell.

[@KTWhatsup]

@@QuinB_29 the only reason she didn’t had blood is because Sony wanted Fnaf SB to be KID FRIENDLY! If Sony just left this alone then there would be plenty of blood splatters.

[@higueraft571]

@@KikiCatMeow Charlie feels pain pretty sure...

[@higueraft571]

@@QuinB_29 Important to note, a fatal fall DOES NOT have to result in a massive blood splatter. Infact, i'm not sure the Pizzaplex IS tall enough for the "splatter like a watermelon" sort of effect... Now, massive internal bleeding and instant death/unconsciousness? Absolutely likely. Also keep in mind, if Vanessa were a robot, like Charlie, she would STILL BLEED.

[@Ripp816]

*me watching this after ggy released* 💀💀💀

[@ImpulseEvan37]

Me reading this comment after nothing has changed 💀💀💀

[@octoh3879]

​@@ImpulseEvan37Afton isn't back sooooo

[@RavenZombieX]

'Fnaf6' was not open...

[@KTWhatsup]

Yes it was. Where do you think we get our Faz rating from? There are also lawsuits for attractions with a liability risk either a little dangerous or if any of the scrap animatronic can hide to get in

[@RavenZombieX]

@@KTWhatsup the main game is a simulation... probably a video game, the volunteer is playing to pass the time the only part that is real, is the scrap parts, collecting them to burn them. The building itself is not open for business, whether it was a pizza place or literally a trap. None of the places are ever open, in game. The minigames are either memories, or literal games.

[@higueraft571]

@@RavenZombieX The location LITERALLY exists in Security Breach. Why in the goddamn would it all be a dream or minigame? The point of the location is to be Authentic enough of a location to draw everyone in. And why are we buying restaurant supplies if we arent running a restaurant? The fuck even makes you think it's NOT real at all?

[@RavenZombieX]

@@higueraft571 Sim u lation... No Freddy's has ever been open during gameplay. They are all condemned buildings.

[@higueraft571]

@@RavenZombieX FNAF 2 FNAF 3 too i believe. Sister Location as well likely, if you count the rental service. FNAF 1 too. FNAF 4 wasnt in a location. FNAF 6 is the in-question location, which i'd also say is open. Also if by "not open during gameplay" you mean "where are the guests" It's fucking after hours. Not many locations take customers after a certain time, lock up, and shut down til morning, when the "day shift" staff come in, unlock the door, relieve the Night Guard and ready the place for opening. You never see it "open" by that definition because it's *past midnight.*

[@sebastianszyrwinski9320]

TUG is reliable, because Shadow Freddy really help kids and it didn't a mistake, because this information doesn't fit your theory

[@tamaritamarileonardo394]

really shadow freddy did not help the kids in the fnaf 3 follow me minigames he help william dismantel and destroy them how you may ask well this is becouse, why woude shadow freddy use the same tactik to get the kids to william over and over and over again and it deosn't make senes if he really wants to help the kids why woude do the same mistake over & over (till they are all destroyed) not to mention he isn't even ther when william gets traped inside the springlock suit almost like he only wanted to help william destroy the animatronics so he can feed off of the agony and when he finds out the ghost kids strik back he leaves william for dead not to mention this even proven in fnaf world how in shadow freddy's loading screen it says ' i will eat your soul' like really this line is meant to make it clear that shadow freddy only wants to feed off of the ghost kids' agony hence that line really shadow freddy is evil accept it.