In Defense of Chappell Roan

[@sailorharmakhis]

her opinion shouldn't be worthy of a thinkpiece, it's insane that what she said was even slightly controversial.

[@rurubelle2920]

For real. I thought she was just coming from a place of common sense.

[@harrylane4]

The comments on this video show that it’s extremely NOT common sense that “people have a right to privacy”

[@f1mbultyr]

Her opinion is not worthy of a thinkpiece, but the backlash to it definitely is, because that's f*cking nuts.

[@rurubelle2920]

@@harrylane4 yes and that's the sad part

[@pepsisupremacy5533]

its just her being spoilt tbh

[@twin_rivers921]

Still can’t believe Eminem dropped a song highlighting the dangers of obsessive fandom and creepy behavior and then the general masses just said “great idea let’s co-opt this name and behave like that”

[@Dave102693]

Ikr?

[@chan_martin]

Because people adopted it into their lexicon without even being aware of the song. The irony is palpable 💀

[@rashotcake6945]

tbh, i think this is just one of those things that’s never gonna get any better. Pretty much every big youtuber has some horror story about stalker fans. Obviously the same applies for music artists, Swift, Beatles, bjork, Elvis, k-pop fans, etc

[@adamlegros1180]

@@rashotcake6945didnt bjorks stalker go as far as mailing her a b*mb

[@grimtheghastly8878]

It's giving real "We are proud to present to you our latest innovation: the Torment Nexus, inspired by the hit sci-fi novel Please Dear God Don't Create the Torment Nexus" ass energy

[@emomu]

I really don't understand why it's such a hard concept for people to treat celebrities with basic decency and respect. Like what have we not learned from Bjork and Britney Spears?

[@daaara]

bloooooooom

[@dtango3531]

What happened

[@ronniesan9805]

@@dtango3531 Bjork actually attacked a lady at the airport. I think Britney snapped at the paparazzi and swung an umbrella at them. Totally understandable.

[@CL2-]

W pfp

[@lucidkangaroo8973]

The whole Bjork stalker situation as well

[@Poitle]

No matter how famous a person is, they are still a person.

[@aubreyxengland]

unless you’re obsessed with them. Then, they’re an object.

[@Gojo..satoruu]

Yup and that's creepy ​@@aubreyxengland

[@og666]

​@@aubreyxengland they're functionally an object to everyone who sees them online. they exist on a phone. they're not real. hopefully people can distance a real person if they see them outside from something on a screen, but the version of people that we get through media is not a real human. it's a character and it's not surprising that people sometimes behave like freaks. the way that they encounter celebrities in their daily lives makes it impossible to see them as real humans

[@MrDublem]

Yea, they are people, people who choose to make a living by attracting as much attention to themselves as possible. That INEVITABLY means some of that attention will be bad, and if you can't handle that, pick a different job. Imagine going round your town and inviting as many people as you possibly can to a party at your house with 0 discernment ($5 entrance fee, the more the better!). Are you really gonna be surprised when some people turn up who are less than savory? Either you handle it or you don't, but being surprised and upset that they exist at all is shockingly naive.

[@Poitle]

Her job is making/performing music. That is all.

[@POSSIBLYDYL]

A lot of the same people on Twitter shit talking Chappell for standing up for herself are the same people that have a problem with how the public and paparazzi treated Britney in the 2000s and somehow don’t see how it’s the same principle

[@squishy3248]

The Twitter users are mad because they know they’re the exact people she’s talking about. It’s Doja Cat all over again (I know there were other reasons people were mad at Doja, but calling out obsessive fans was a big part of it). People feel so entitled to celebrities and I don’t understand it, like you don’t own them because you listen to their music and “stan” them.

[@Michelangelo-jo2ym]

People on Twitter are literally Brain Dead and Elon Musk has just been making worse and worse

[@mayamelodyegg1607]

​@@squishy3248 agreeing with doja back then was like being the embodiment of that edited kishibe image where hes holding the notebook up ("i lowkey agree")

[@mipmipmipmipmip-v5x]

A recurring issue in this while constellation is 'Twitter' or whatever it's called is involved.

[@jakebesaw]

Your point is upside down

[@mrgarneau4895]

Stan culture and parasocial relationships are terrible.

[@azalago]

People adopted the word "Stan" like it was a cutesy word for just a big fan. The character is literally obsessed with Eminem to the point he kills himself and his pregnant gf because he thinks Em is ignoring him.

[@Teik593]

You'd think these Stans listened to The Way I Am, but probably not.

[@pepsisupremacy5533]

She courts parasocial relationships anyway. These cult followings don't happen by accident, they're a function of how you write your songs and present yourself online. Don't feel bad for her one bit.

[@duhduhduhdiesel1436]

@@pepsisupremacy5533 Exactly. Her whole career seems to boil down to identity politics and not original music or immense talent

[@a-jjjjjjj]

@@duhduhduhdiesel1436 shut the fuck up, lots of people love her music and I say that as someone who isn't even a fan. you are the one who is concerned about her identity.

[@DragonG]

I love how in focus the mic was this video

[@BlueBeetle1939]

It's shy please respect the mics boundaries

[@rurubelle2920]

​@@BlueBeetle1939 Stop being weird towards the mic! 😅 Seriously, tho, Chappell's right and fans need to chill out.

[@yommish]

Damnnnn

[@bigmistqke]

Crisp

[@Sim0n98]

I wanted to reach out and grab it

[@weeaboh]

i heard someone say something along the lines of "let artists and musicians clock out" and i think that's a great way to put it. when they're not on stage, or at an event, or just making an official appearance, i think you should assume that they're off the clock and asking them to put that persona on for you is kinda rude. i get that people think she was aggressive about it, but i also think the vast majority of people would have had a complete mental break if they were in her shoes.

[@Prederick]

Oh, without question. No regular people are equipped for the kind of demands that get put on you by random strangers when you're that kind of famous (and she's not even THAT famous yet). Like, imagine not being able to just catch dinner with your friends anymore without every 4th person asking for a photo or an autograph and then someone posts online that you're eating there and then a crowd of "fans" gathers, etc., etc. etc. I'd definitely lose my mind.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@Prederick Then people wonder why artists get into bubbles, clear restaurants + shops to be alone somewhere. It's bc people don't let them clock out.

[@cjboyo]

Also like… she has talked about having mental health issues. I think she’s handling this super admirably. I would have ended up in grippy sock jail if I was her

[@ernie39]

exactly!!!

[@wigsprop2021]

This is really well said, I don't know why it doesn't have more likes! Imagine going to a restaurant after it's closed and forcing a waiter to serve you or a chef to whip something up? It's bizarre! Can apply to anyone in the service industry. Hours are hours, work time is work time. Leave 'em alone, jeez. Meet someone at a meet and greet! Don't be weird on the street 😂

[@warnejoseph]

Let's not ignore that in addition to what he mentioned in this video, Anthony had his fucking divorce papers leaked by obsessive "fans" who weren’t happy with his scores for Opium artists. This shit has been out of line for decades now and only amplified by social media and it's honestly so gratifying that Chappell has been able to open up this conversation

[@JC-jd1us]

Dang I didn't know he got divorced. That's messed up he can't have private moments due to an opinion that doesn't really affect others.

[@marissajoy6332]

I remember that it was so ridiculous

[@marissajoy6332]

@@JC-jd1ushe never even mentioned it publicly ppl just went digging

[@Porcuspine360]

@@marissajoy6332as they should. If melon didn’t have jungle fever it would have never happened

[@PiggyGuy100]

@@Porcuspine360Wdym

[@PC-ni6bp]

Based. Her job is making music, not being your friend

[@Hardcastle83]

She gets the perks of being rich and famous, it is only right she also endures the negatives.

[@wellatleastimhere1974]

@@Hardcastle83???

[@elll2184]

Nah. Keep crying though.​@@Hardcastle83

[@Hardcastle83]

@@elll2184 seems like she's the one crying...

[@RebornLegacy]

@Hardcastle83 ... but unlike you're crying it's not pathetic and low-IQ

[@morningowl43]

100% agreed. And her fanbase is full on lunacy. I was tattooing someone who’s “her biggest fan” and she literally talked about this woman who has no idea who she is like she was dating her. She told me that at a live show she was crowned Midwest Princess and got to go up and receive a crown, apparently she acted mean towards her friend when she was called up and all she could think about is if Chappell saw her. If Chappell judge her. She talked about trying to seduce her and if they ever met that she would initiate a full on hookup and implied that Chappell would be into it. She talked about her for literally hours and it’s all because she was crowned a “Midwest princess” at a concert. She acted as if the songs were written about her and how she would literally die for her. It was quite disturbing and I had to play another genre of music for this client when she was done talking about her cause I was so overwhelmed. If im overwhelmed by one fan interaction I cannot imagine how this young person truly feels. She must feel so unsafe and that’s not fair at all. It must be hell. Please leave her alone. Thank you.

[@8bitdiedie]

I swear she was barely that known a few months ago? Why do these people get so easily obsessed? At least if it was a musician who was around for many years and redefined pop culture, I would understand it more (and even then its weird).

[@CL2-]

@@8bitdiedie They are easily swayed I suppose

[@hairold5680]

@@8bitdiedie insanity and mental health problems

[@prest01]

pov me with lebron

[@geraniumblue]

it's religious psychosis and she's their god!

[@Житинеможливо]

Frank Ocean was right, they made being famous extremely corny. Lowkey, sensible cult followings are the real dream.

[@wackster1]

“Sensible cult following” is an oxymoronic idea. Those types of fan bases are often less loud, sure, but they’re also more toxically parasocial.

[@Phosfit]

@@wackster1correct, oxymoronic even if we understand the message being communicated by the commenter.

[@wackster1]

@@Phosfit The contradiction goes beyond language. As I said, most any cult following merely shoves those loud expressions of adoration deep down. They still may be preferable for that reason, but in some ways they’re less “sensible.” I understand the sentiment, I just don’t want people to blind themselves to the issues inherent to cult followings.

[@soman5348]

Fantano unironically is a very good example of one.

[@ItsRavvit]

do you think tyler has a good fanbase? serious question, i feel like he has a bit of a mix of both.

[@NailTransGayming]

Shes based and she should say it. All the "she should do a different job" shit is fucking pathetic, being famous doesnt immediately forfeit all your rights.

[@makeritualnoise]

also all of us get to have a work self and a real self, and wanting that for yourself and wanting boundaries should preclude you from doing what you want to do. like how hard it is to respect that boundary that when she's working, you ask for selfies and autographs and stuff, and when shes not working, you leave her the hell alone? and you leave her family, who are not ever 'working', tf alone. fantano is right, just because theres been an expectation of this fan behavior being okay for so long doesnt actually make it okay. im glad chappell is setting boundaries and i hope other artists and people with a bit of fame do the same. theyre no less human because of it, and every human deserves to have boundaries.

[@jabrokneetoeknee6448]

How tf are “all her rights” being violated? Annoying fans come with being famous… that’s always been just an occupational hazard. Enjoying the myriad of perks that come with being a celebrity while wishing for none of the downsides is eating your cake and wanting to have it too. Nobody can have it all exactly their way. Crying on the internet about it just exposes her immaturity and lack of perspective

[@Mudkipz123]

@@jabrokneetoeknee6448 the one lacking maturity and perspective is you. come back when your family members are getting harrassed by your stalkers.

[@riley4028]

And your comment that she should just put up with cause it comes with the territory shows your lack of empathy. Congrats on being worse than the bare minimum of a human.

[@idontevenknow9758]

@@jabrokneetoeknee6448 dude stalking her family is insanity. Thats behavior she should nip as fast as possible.

[@KealohaHarrison]

I agree with Chappell, fans could already be super creepy and overly attached before the internet and social media but it’s only gotten even more intense now. Celebrities don’t owe us anything but we owe it to them to be respectful when and if we meet them.

[@conormurphy4328]

Apart from their literal livelihood

[@ArkhamJacks]

​@conormurphy4328 you get the product they make. Not their private life ya worm

[@bennyfairfax1]

​@conormurphy4328 Audiences aren't doing some grand favour by listening to her music. It's her providing them with music.

[@dummyyogurt5375]

​@@conormurphy4328 Celebrities aren't a charity that we give money to for free. they create content, and the platforms/publishers that give us access to that content give THEM money the more people consume their stuff. architects and artists who draw, despite essentially doing the same thing, aren't treated this way. why should musical artists be disrespected ?

[@conormurphy4328]

@@bennyfairfax1 and they’re providing her with fame, money, more opportunities to increase her income. One side needs the other, the other side has 1 million other choices.

[@majora025]

I'm so sorry to hear you were sexually assaulted and revenge porned. This is exactly why we need to protect people from the worst type of people.

[@x_ch00F]

thought this was a joke comment until he actually said it

[@Arawn505]

Yeah like what the hell! 🙁

[@cheesecakelasagna]

Timestamp?

[@mequana]

​@@cheesecakelasagnaJust watch the Video bruh

[@x_ch00F]

@@cheesecakelasagna the vid is only 9 minutes long

[@tylerhackner9731]

In summary: people need to be normal. Of course about pop stars, but in general

[@autumnleaves7907]

King Tyler

[@Boredperson1123]

The we need more laws protecting people’s privacy and stalking. It doesn’t matter the level of fame you are in, you deserve the right of privacy

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

Normal has been slowly shifting in a way that I feel fundamentally uncomfortable with due to social media and social dysfunction caused by COVID

[@Prederick]

@@undeniablySomeGuy Not only has it been shifting, but I feel like being a weirdo about stuff has become increasingly normalized and lauded. You don't go viral for having a normal, pleasant interaction with your favorite artist, you go viral for asking them to spit in your eye.

[@Grrreeeeeeeeeeeeeew]

No one wants to be normal.

[@mrsaturn12]

The fact that people are acting like she's the villain in this situation is frightening to say the least.

[@JimmyLamStudio]

no defense needed, she's right

[@camilitoo]

ok so don't click the video

[@bujustic]

​@@camilitoo tbh I had the same thought, I nearly didn't but it's chappell roan

[@yann6109]

"I've made a version of you in my head that would immediately like me at the first interaction, and acts exactly how I want, what do you mean you don't owe me your private time??"

[@danielapardo9776]

This.

[@admdubya2107]

“Also I might just be a 14 year old girl so maybe relax on your assumptions and projections about my motives?” 😂

[@capybara8477]

​@admdubya2107 and children need to be taught how to behave. boundaries should be respected at all ages

[@yann6109]

@@admdubya2107 Oh, so the kids are harassing her? Then it's all good! (but seriously, idk why 14 year old girls should have a pass to disrespect someone's boundaries, no matter their motives. I thought that at that age people can comprehend others are human beings too, no?)

[@admdubya2107]

@@yann6109 if that’s what you read, I’m not gonna bother. Way too dense.

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

"If celebrities didn't want us harassing them, they shouldn't have tried to express themselves creatively!" - Homer Simpson This is basically what some people actually believe.

[@xxmagentaxcamelliaxx]

Thumbs up for being a voice of reason and extra points for the Simpsons reference.

[@rafail3335]

Personally, I'd never bother Melon if I saw him on the street. The internet has showed me to always stay away from Death Grips fans

[@jacquin8511]

underrated comment

[@rimut230]

tf we done to you man 😭

[@TheNinja94a]

@@rimut230I’ve been to a show. You don’t wanna know.

[@sictrxnsitglxria]

lmfaoo

[@itpaul9263]

I ran into Brent Hinds from Mastodon walking into Target once. I recognized him from a few dozen feet away, he noticed me recognize him, and we both just kinda went "Nah". No one wants to be seen in Target.

[@librarygary1618]

Man, you're so thoughtful and kind.

[@nickkoch6740]

I had roughly this same experience with Wee Man at LAX. Bro looked like he had just been through hell and I decided it'd be better to leave him be.

[@itpaul9263]

@@librarygary1618 No, I was hungover.

[@margoalex.]

that’s so funny omfg it sounds like a scene from a rom com or something

[@Adri_Unsung]

The dude from Kyle XY was a regular at the restaurant my cousin worked at in Phoenix and I saw him once when I was visiting her and I was like “oh no way!” to myself and then left him and his husband alone. Like a normal person

[@bichiroloXP]

Before anyone starts with the typical "They owe us because we made them famous and gave them a career" comments, think if you would give the same treatment to the owner of a busines you frequently buy from, or the bar or cafe where you go with your friends. We listen to her music cause we like it and that's what we're getting from her, and she in return can live from that and keep making more music. The same way we watch Anthony's videos because we like his content or for good music recommendations, not because we're doing him a favour or anything. That's it, that's the exchange. We get something, they get something in return. No one owes anyone anything other than respect as a human.

[@hpoz222]

it's like, in a movie when a character's shady manager/agent is like "I made you what you are! you'd be nothing without me!" to try and pressure them into doing something they don't want to, we know that's villain behavior; absurd that people turn around and say that about being a fan with their full fucking chest

[@bichiroloXP]

@@hpoz222 That's a very good comparison

[@drrracche]

i remember seeing an instagram post (or maybe a comment) about her a while ago when she was first getting super popular essentially saying “everyone loves her now but watch people switch up on her as soon as she doesn’t smile the right way or comes off slightly mean” and it’s interesting seeing that happen in real time

[@pinduxa2020]

No one's entitled to her acceptance just because she's famous. She's a human being, not a machine!

[@johnpetrila4823]

The whole argument of "if you don't want to deal with this completely unprompted and egregious harassment, you just shouldn't be famous because this is part of what being famous is about" has always stuck in my craw, and Fantano is right to call it out here explicitly. It's textbook victim-blaming, onus-shifting garbage that has never once made sense or been reasonable in the slightest. If you're being an asshole, it's never the responsibility of your target to take it on the chin because they happen to be in an exposed, public-facing role. You're just an asshole, and that's on you.

[@porgeporgeporge]

It feels like a step beyond victim-blaming, even, where it's not just 'you should have expected this based on what you've chosen to do', but 'I'm envious of what you have, so I'm entitled to make your life worse to make myself feel better'

[@johnpetrila4823]

@@porgeporgeporge I wouldn't disagree with that either; good point.

[@L7Fx]

victim blaming is not real stop lol

[@bumfricker2487]

@@L7Fx ok nft pfp weirdo 👎

[@zombspideyspecial]

@@L7Fx you are a danger to society

[@tomasalves4676]

she's real as hell for creating boundaries as soon as she started blowing up big time. however stantwt will be stantwt and they've already started saying that she "should just step down" and "she's not built for fame" all that for not wanting to get harassed by others? for wanting to be treated like a normal person? for not wanting parasocial relationships? shits crazy really, dunno how asking for the bare minimum when treating others like normal human beings is a sign that someone doesnt deserve all the deserved fame and love that she's been getting as of late but it's like i said. stantwt will be stantwt

[@jackplumley9654]

Twitter being twitter ig, cesspool of a platform lol. Pro strategy here, deleting twitter will make your life about 2x better and will save you years of life from the mental gymnastics you need to do for people on twitter to make sense

[@lacexv]

She's right and I think everyone knows it. You do not get to demand a hug or photo with a person who you do not know. You can have a short, friendly conversation and ask for a photo if the person has time. They are allowed to say no. They are allowed to be busy and want to be left alone.

[@hpoz222]

I think the people who are mad at her especially know it. hit dogs holler

[@simonw560]

My man Jon Darnielle of the mountain goats talks a lot about how his albums have often been the only life preserver to some fans. It's made more parasocial because he has laid some really vulnerable shit on a few of his albums. So the fan has had this deep emotional connection to work through something with the music being a key, but the artist can't have that same connection. And that sounds super draining. Scott Hutchison (rest in peace) from Frightened Rabbit said a similar thing in an interview about how writing the album about his break up was him working through the emotions but people who find the album while going through their divorce are in the midst of it. He could never have been the man they wanted him to be. Or carry the emotions they wanted him to carry. I imagine Chapelle Roan is similar since her album is so vulnerable and speaks to a lot of the queer experience. The audience connects to her as solid ground while she literally cannot give every one of us the time and energy we would want. Any one would be a husk if they had to give that much of themselves

[@maroonvfx]

nobody should ever be chased/harassed because of their fame. not chappell, not fantano, not anybody. it should not be part of the job description and there should be more regulation on this

[@freshskittles92]

GET BACK HERE MELON

[@caitlynsult2685]

🍈🏃‍♀️

[@Transylvegas]

@@freshskittles92 aw man, so glad I was not drinking milk just now

[@washingmashine921]

Jesus fucking christ dude. Im sorry you went thorugh those fucked up interactions. No one deserves to go through that shit and people justify it

[@19Carmelita92]

I get sexually harassed a lot in my job because I work in a male-dominated industry. I get told it’s my fault because I chose this job and “what did you expect to happen?” The people criticizing Chappell Roan give me the same energy. Treating people like shit is NEVER ok, even if it is unfortunately the norm.

[@simonw560]

Say it again but louder! Holy frick!

[@burkedigital]

Someone else in these comments said this kind of shit from people "isn't real" and I reported them for misinformation.

[@edwinam1362]

Exactly. What about countries where women need a male escort when out in public? If you go out without one and you get attacked I guess that’s your fault…. Huh?? 😢

[@jackplumley9654]

Holy shit thats actually disgusting. Like wtf??? Also how tf r people even trying to justify sexual harassment. Why would an industry being male dominated ever make that acceptable. People are insane

[@Noelle__vibes]

spot on for real. "the world is an unfair place, deal with it" - people who actively participate in making it unfair.

[@KerbalRocketry]

asking for a photo: normal cool being told no for a photo: just as normal and cool! she's 100% in the right to respond this way she's well within her rights to set boundaries, we have soo low stands for fans these days. super fans should want to help the artists not just gather associated clout via photos etc

[@kjarakravik4837]

Agreed, I believe we should let celebrities clock out of the job although I'm pretty sure she was telling people to never ask her for a photo in public if she wasn't working at some event or meet and greet. At least that seems to be where some of the disconnect is coming from?

[@WhaleManMan]

No one on the planet except vultures are mad at her

[@barneysandchells6306]

i think that album just wanna fuck tbh

[@barneysandchells6306]

on laughing gad. that album just wanna fuck on laughing gas

[@jessjess23brooks89]

​@@barneysandchells6306?

[@viktorvaughn8007]

@@jessjess23brooks89he talking about the nitrus for some reason

[@V0Rtexty]

​@@jessjess23brooks89 vultures is a Kanye album, Kanye has been on nitrus, nitrus is laughing gas

[@herothehedgefox]

Chappell needs Tyler as a body guard cuz he'd shut down that shit immediately

[@gwonam2]

shes opening for him at a festival later this year lol hopefully they become friends

[@Nari-7022]

i hope they become friends cuz their energy would be insane !

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

​@@gwonam2 Austin City Limits? I'm planning on going

[@Minimellow]

5:51 People saying that Chappell Roan shouldn't be famous if she couldn't handle it are all people I immediately do not trust to have any sort of relationship with, given how they're willing to break consent. You're telling me that you can tell celebrities not to be celebrities but you can't tell people to start respecting consent? Their priorities reveal who they truly are.

[@magnoliaskogen]

Seriously!

[@humblegamer7876]

Well nobody can stop you from reaching as far as you want "Asking a celebrity for a photo isn't that insane" Is actually a normal take

[@cjboyo]

@@humblegamer7876Saying no to that request is also completely normal

[@FullMetalB]

@@cjboyo and thinking that's shitty is also normal. People can pretend people aren't rich and famous specifically because of their fans. But it's the truth. Mixing simple fans wanting to say hi and ask for a picture with the crazy obsessive weirdos is just kind of a wild take. I'm pretty sure there would be no issue about her statement without those parts.

[@cjboyo]

@@FullMetalB imagine if you had this attitude towards like… the owner of a business you shop at. “I DEMAND a photo with the owner RIGHT NOW. It’s his day off? Make him come in anyways! I BUY THINGS HERE. Therefore I am OWED his time and attention with ZERO boundaries!” Someone having a job doesn’t mean they give up the right to a private life

[@Jdubayou]

Tyler the creator said pretty much the exact same things and it wasn't that big of a deal when he said it. People just don't want to hear it from a woman. That is really all there is to it.

[@thisthatbetbetter]

Eminem wrote this exact thing into a rap (obviously the word stan comes from him too). No one seemed pissed because it was part of the whole angry male rapper persona.

[@brttny]

That part!

[@ELOWORA]

People complaining that she mentioned people asking for photos and hugs is so ridiculous. She specifically says that the person she’s talking about got angry at her saying no. THAT is the issue. Getting a photo or hug from someone is a privilege, not a right.

[@pseudonymphmusic7721]

3:13 I’m genuinely so sorry that happened to you.

[@matthew.m.stevick]

thx

[@bigboris5774]

You must not know how Fantano’s comment section works.

[@findmeinlimbo]

She is something different and a breath of fresh air in the pop industry. Everyone and their mothers are frightened of change and it shows. And it’s insane that anyone can have a guideline on how pop stars like Chappell have to be silent about how they feel.

[@NeutralMjolkHotel]

Just wanting to take a picture OF you as a random non-photographer civilian is totally bizarre lol

[@8bitdiedie]

Even if you’re a photographer I think it’s still weird, especially if the person has no idea they’re having a photo taken. I once commented on a photographer’s short to avoid taking pics of strangers who never consented to it and their followers were SEETHING at me for it.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Yes also your username is fabulous

[@ionasmith1998]

Not sure if you’ve seen the Netflix series “Master of None” but there is a scene where a big goes up to a famous person and just literally takes a photo of them and walks away. Weird shit.

[@NeutralMjolkHotel]

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426you’re fabulous

[@fluffy_walrus]

Celebrities aren't the Disney mascots of the real world where you get to stop treating them like a human being. It's important to be able to take a breath and connect with them through what they bring into the world. In Chappell's position, that's her music. She makes music and puts it into the world, and we get to listen to it and go to her concerts, that's the engagement that's appropriate. Anything past that is bonus and should only be on her terms.

[@crimmas]

I normally get nauseated by a lot of online discourse but this is really valuable and YEARS overdue. For decades people have been weird and creepy about fame, and current media kind of expands that. People act like their favorite artists/celebrities owe them time or labor. People get weirdly posessive over this stuff. Some people seem to completely lack any consideration for the other person. Fame looks honestly really terrifying and the amount of public exposure she has so quickly must be extremely rough. Past musicians experiencng “overnight success” experienced serious psychological consequences. Literally the least anyone can do is treat public figures with the same respect and consideration that they would anyone else.

[@madelynprice9819]

I get stressed out by the possibility of seeing anyone I know when I'm out doing my own thing. I can't even imagine how stressful being famous is.

[@annechrystelleetemengono1858]

2:50 ain't no freaking way WHAT !?!

[@Lofethebreadguy]

REVENGE PORN 2:53

[@Advent3546]

Remember when it was Chappel's fans telling everyone else to be normal about her? Pepperidge farms remembers.

[@simonw560]

I'm still out here. No group is a monolith I guess.

[@crstph]

yeah ive thankfully pretty much only seen chappell fans begging everyone to be normal to her, even before she Super blew up. ig that just makes me feel good about the online space ive cultivated but im sure the freaks who want chappell’s attention have their ways

[@_NoDrinkTheBleach]

I remember waiting in line at a convention to meet a fairly famous actress, whose name I will leave out of the story. This guy in front of me said that for what she was charging for a photo (not an exorbitant amount by any measure), he was entitled to a hug. This was seconds after one of the convention folks asked for the people in line to be respectful of this celeb's personal space. I can only imagine the amount of disrespectful shit that famous people have to deal with on a daily basis. Let alone in a "controlled" situation like a meet and greet or a convention.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

I don't like meeting celebrities or seeing them in public bc the energy around them is so bizarre. It makes me feel sad, like when I'm at a petting zoo.

[@kiereanm3254]

Kind of disgusting that women’s boundaries are never respected. People have DIED because of this and people want to stomp their feet and whine when Chap says “hey get away from me !”

[@scott8919]

This is exactly why artists put on masks or give themselves a stage name and keep distance between what their name is, what they look like, etc. I don't blame them one bit. People can be very creepy. All you have to do is find someone's legal name and put in the state they most likely live in, and BOOM... you can find their address, possible phone numbers, etc. Names of family members... it's disgusting.

[@Dave102693]

Exactly

[@Gab-tc2mr]

Chappell did give herself a stage name, but it didn’t seem to help

[@Prederick]

There's a quote from a article on Defector about this that pretty much encapsulates how I feel about modern "fandom," especially online. "Over the past few years, I’ve become increasingly hesitant to identify as a fan of any living artist. There are plenty of artists whose work I like, or even love, but the entire concept of being a fan, and what the act of fandom entails, has shifted in ways I find both alienating and disturbing. What was once a straightforward expression of admiration-I’m such a fan!-has lately become more like a claim of obsessive entitlement." She's right, she should say it, it's ridiculous that she needs to say it, but perhaps I'm cynical in that I think it won't stop, at all. Being entitled and weird in your fandom has become so normalized these days, I don't know if we can un-ring that bell.

[@Noelle__vibes]

true. I can maybe offer a tiny bit of relief by saying that well, the internet is still a new thing in the cultural scope, and interacting through text like that isn't intuitive for us humans. And hopefully we're transitioning from "fuck around" to "find out" phase, and it will become a normal thing to teach kids about how there are real people on the other side of the screen. Like we teach how it's completely inappropriate to stare at a person with idk cerebral paralysis for example. Like yea, yea, I get it, it's unusual for you to see them probably, you're curious, but you should treat them as a person, so don't make anyone uncomfortable for just being out there

[@Zero-mn8bt]

People have a weird parasocial relationship with celebrities, which I think is more common due to social media. People should not be harassing celebs online or in person

[@Chaoktarukto]

Didn't people literally commit suicide over Lennon's death

[@jevinday]

I definitely think social media has played a part in the way parasocial relationships have got more intense since the rise of the Internet

[@jevinday]

​@@Chaoktarukto if it would have happened in 2024 people would still commit suicide, only difference is they'd Livestream it

[@christopherscholl639]

Famous people are like kids in the hall of your high school that you don't personally know. You may know who they are, but usually don't have a reason to talk to them. Give 'em a polite nod. Smile and say, "hi." Good on her for wanting to be treated like a person.

[@AsthmaticAxolotl]

why was this controversial in the first place? just because she's famous doesn't mean she isn't a human being with rights

[@ShinyPrimarina]

Shockingly, there's people who unironically believe public figures MUST give up their human rights, which is terrifying that stans like this have surrounded themselves in an echo chamber with this sort of mindset

[@gibbyjibby0]

It’s good to see so many people stand with her. I’ve seen plenty of stitches where people describe their frustrations with entitled fans. This conversation needs to be had.

[@earningzekrom4173]

I’m so sorry that happened to you, sending support to you!

[@cmgoodell]

She was 100% correct and people reacting poorly probably need more people to tell them to back off. Her tone was fine. More celebs should do this. Social media is so driven by negative engagement these days that it isn't surprising that correct valid boundary setting is blowing up like actual harm.

[@brttny]

Thank you, her tone was totally fine. Policing her tone and ignoring what she's saying is such classic misogyny.

[@nothanksplease]

i am a random woman and i have had people scream at me from cars so i imagine that happens way more when you are actually famous. it can be hard out here as a female as is.

[@tatumlogan2242]

I SERIOUSLY support her on this one. She's not only raising awareness on the fact that celebrities deserve to be humanised, she's raising awareness on the fact that WOMEN deserve to be humanised. I've been followed home, touched without my consent, and spoken to in really inappropriate ways more times than I can count on my fingers, just in the past year, as a normal person. I can't even imagine how scary and horrible it must be for someone who is in the public eye. We do not know celebrities. We aren't their friends. Get a grip.

[@_khorshid]

I'm very sorry that happened to you and thanks for opening up and bringing it to the conversation.

[@TheSkaOreo]

I don't know much about Chappell Roan, but from what I've been hearing about her, it sounds like she's saying all of the right things and she's absolutely right here. There are boundaries between being a consumer and an artist, and there should be an understanding that that's all it is: I"m a consumer and she is an artist selling me her art. I just do not understand the idea that because I buy your records, go to your concerts, follow you on tik tok, that that gives me due cause to act like we're friends.

[@chiky1070]

5:10 Heisenberg

[@mileshadley42]

The new youtube feature made this show up when it was coming up and I died 😭😭😭

[@idiotwn]

If Chappell makes a second album, she should fill it with roasts to her own fans like Porter Robinson's.

[@loudonheimsoth6916]

My socially awkward ass empathizes heavily with this.

[@williamhornabrook8081]

When I see a celebrity, I pretend I don't notice them, but I usually will brag about seeing them later. I live in New Zealand, so I think the most famous person I have seen is Peter Jackson or Brett from Flight of the Conchords.

[@kg7219]

Seriously and idk if it’s cuz I’ve worked in Hollywood and now work in music and have been exposed to and been around a good number of famous people but like … dude it’s just so weird when people harass famous people lmao

[@hamsandwich184]

This is the same issue i see with athletes and fans on the internet. When an athlete says no thanks or is the slightest bit abrasive to a fan, people on IG or Twitter will flood the comments saying "we pay your salary" or "without us you don't have a job". I find it to be a very hostile way of viewing a transactional "relationship". You are paying for the art not the artist, you cannot demand someone's time because you voluntarily paid for a service or supported them in some way.

[@goldfish-chan]

I saw this tiktok that I think some people should see because at first I was unsure how to feel about Chappell’s TikTok but seeing it convinced me that Chappell was right. The guy in the TikTok talks about years ago when a celebrity, his friend and him would hang out sometimes in public and the celebrity friend would always have fans walking up and asking for photos or signatures(which he was happy to do) and sometimes lines would form when they were just talking and hanging out. However there was one time he was on the phone with his children who he hasn’t seen in like 5 months and he was approached by a fan while he was on the call, he said that he was on the phone and couldn’t get to her at the moment, the women started crying and returned with her husband later who started yelling at him for being rude and all sorts of things even though she approached him when he was on the phone and clearly busy. Really shows how fans are really the entitled ones for getting angry and rude when they don’t get what they demand.

[@brendondonoho270]

Literally any person who disagrees with her needs to go to therapy. Fucking obviously you don't have a right to harass a person you've never met in public. Just say "big fan" and move on.

[@BallinBubblegum]

I really wish everyone would just chill the fuck out and let her be. Celebrity culture is so fucked up.

[@Becksnnc]

Thing is though that you can speak about this until you're blue in the face but it will never go through to the people that actually need to hear this and put it into action. Preaching to the choir really. There are always gonna be obsessed fans and stalkers. And for some wild reason if you address your stalkers and tell them to stop they will perceive that as a sign to continue because you're talking about them and that validates their delusions. They say it comes with the territory because it just does. You can't stop some people from being weirdos.

[@kg-cz2hx]

it’s crazy because we can all look at situations of fans taking it too far and give sympathy after the fact, but when an artist puts up boundaries so it doesn’t happen in the first place suddenly they’re labeled as a diva

[@dnagel22]

I haven't listened to any of her music, but I've heard A LOT about her. I appreciate her straightforwardness. There's a reason why fans are called STANS.

[@northrnstar]

something that's worth mentioning is that chappell is diagnosed with bipolar disorder. im a psychology student and i have friends who have it so i know for a fact being constantly stalked and harassed is the easiest and deadliest way to send someone into an episode. all the love for her for setting boundaries and standing on what she says.

[@sydneyruewho13]

Just cause you’re famous doesn’t mean you don’t get personal space

[@sydneyruewho13]

@@satinrules but that doesn’t make it okay or right

[@thevinyltruffle]

Good for her. Boundaries need to be respected. Our celebrity worship/hate culture is so toxic.

[@handbanana4899]

Yeah, she's 100% right. I've never once wanted to be famous, and I fundamentally don't understand people who do. No amount of money is worth your life being turned into a constant It's Always Sunny episode.

[@Thebearmre7]

She is bang on for calling this is out I don’t understand the backlash. Pretty much Sums up why never want to be famous.

[@KD_Oliveira]

*I guess this kind of situation basically highlights how people actually don't perceive celebrities or notorious people from entertainment scene as human beings. It's almost like once you become famous, you vicariously and automatically disavows your own human identity, you become just a object of desire, a simulacrum for parasocial and unilateral "love". Basically, you become the newest laundry machine to be envied and/or bought.*

[@KD_Oliveira]

people like that are not able to own a cat. period.

[@tyrosinetek]

7:28 Oddly enough, bringing this sort of thing up can actually backfire and cause people to do it more. Like if you have and problem with some people stealing something, broadcasting “don’t steal this” will make people realise that they can steal it, thus increasing the rate of theft

[@chrischris9157]

M-E-L-O-N 2 GO!!

[@queenofdaydreams3825]

Underrated

[@BeardlessWhelp]

People in the comments saying she's asking for it by being famous are giving "what was she wearing?" vibes and that's disgusting.

[@mogullll]

thanks anthony for confirming that you are all friends with us too and that this isn't just a parasocial relationship, we really appreciate it friend

[@nikguimont8546]

It’s really sad how much obsessive behaviors like this have been accepted if not glorified in society like people always joke about how crazy the Beatles fans were back then, but when you hear the stories that they told about their hotel room being broken in and being chased down the street It’s not funny

[@h34dyl4m4rr]

She has every right to feel the way she does. And i agree with her 100%. The market created around idolizong celebrities and the scrutiny we force on them is criminal.

[@krishermstad]

It's best to be a fan at a distance.

[@AnthonyPi1999]

Reminds me of when I saw Dave Grohl, years ago. He was just hanging out, watching his kid play. He had person after person come up to him. I wanted to help but didn’t want to draw more attention to him. I felt terrible for him. He wasn’t ‘Dave Grohl’ then, he was just a dad having fun with his kid. And people ruined that for both of them. I still think about that.

[@AntiSocialExtrovert323]

1) I’m so sorry to hear you went through SA. It’s extremely sad that I don’t see any comments about it. I hope that you’ve been able to do some recovery/therapy around it bc that shit cuts deep whether we fully realize it or not. 2) last name is pronounced rone, rhymes with own and phone

[@RealSwankyToad]

Eminem has many examples of lyrics where he talks about unwanted attention from fans. He's definitely 100% in the right, we're all humans sharing this same planet, and we all need to allow one another the respect we're deserved just as human beings. Thank you for making this video, Anthony!

[@NEESHiMinaj]

She’s 100% right

[@TheSorrel]

I hate it when people say "You shouldn't be famous when you can't handle the fame!" Dude, she made Music a lot of people like, that doesn't mean you're entitled to a photo whenever you meet her.

[@idontevenknow9758]

Lately it seems a lot of artists I really like are being harassed or treated like garbage in public. Concerts, I went to a few in the last two years one of which the audience was really heckling the performers, and it just ruined the vibe. No one was having fun. Then you have people obsessing over someone they never met like Chappell. I love her music but I never met her and never will but what fans need to understand is like most movie stars we can appreciate them from a distance, not stalk their family which is loony bin if you ask me. Overall people need to understand boundaries and mutual respect. Fame does not mean you own them and vice versa.

[@aresppl]

Literally what Tyler complained about and people were getting mad about

[@momorilee5642]

6:03 the backlash to her boundaries really is indicative of the mainstream culture’s views of consent and boundaries. the mainstream view of consent and boundaries seriously lacks basic human care and fundamental knowledge of these topics in dangerous and detrimental ways.

[@JonEffinZoidberg]

I agree with most you said except you saying "young people expect". Because this shit has been going on forever and stars from the 1900's have been dealing with this for as long as there has been celebrities. From them demanding autographs back before cameras were common and everyone had autograph books. I just hate the blaming of young people as if they're different. I'm nearly 40 so pretty much same age as you... I'm not sure your age but I'm born in 86 and I assume we're close. But this isn't something from our generation or after... It's always been a thing its just accentuated with mobile phones, the internet etc. But celebrities have been dealing with this shit forever and there is definitely not extra blame to put on the generation after ours than there has been before. But great video & I think it's great you came out and stood up for her. She deserves the ability to turn people away the same way as you do and the same way I would if there was ever anyone who wanted to talk to me besides the IRS.

[@cfaranda]

There’s an alarming amount of people whose answer to Chappell asking “if you saw a random woman on the street, would you yell at her from the car window?” etc. would be a resounding YES. Even within her own fan base. I appreciate that this video and the top comments are all defending her. It’s just depressing that her boundaries aren’t common sense in the first place.

[@footof]

I see no issues with what she's saying whatsoever. Absolutely valid.

[@icequeen9]

I agree wholeheartedly with Chappell and with the common-sense breakdown you've given. I will say I take umbrage with the term 'rant' being used, because having something critical to say about a situation and laying down boundaries is *not* ranting. Ranting is not cohesive and logical, it gets away from itself, and women are very often accused of ranting when they deign to speak on something in a critical and detailed manner.

[@pacman4k687]

Hey, I was that guy in the malevolence shirt that got a picture with you at the last wamleg show where anxious was the head liner and the power was acting out. I really appreciate that lil moment, I wouldn't have been upset is you said no, I get it.

[@Ganbarizer]

Fans have to do better. Don't act like an animal or suddenly forget social norms when you're around or see a famous person. They're just people at the end of the day and their boundaries need to be respected as much as our own. Not every celebrity is the same. Some welcome all the attention, some are introverts or reclusive. Some might even be neurodivergent and don't like all that attention coming their way. Take this all into account before you think of going up to one while they're getting groceries or trying to hang out with friends. Don't make it weird.

[@rachelgaughan99]

Thank you!!! I saw Marc Rebillet posted a (hastily deleted) TikTok about this saying 'what did she expect?' and calling her naive and ungrateful. I was so disappointed to see him essentially saying 'famous people deserve to be treated poorly, it's the price you pay' instead of applauding her for speaking out and hopefully working to change this issue

[@leitregjok2830]

As a woman who's been yelled at by strange men from cars let me tell you: it's terrifying. And I'm not even famous but harassing someone on the street is never okay.

[@iamsmashy]

wtf? good ass take by Fantano? Thank you for spreading empathy