Vang Comp Model 764 Mossberg 590A1 - “The Standard”

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Do you get what you pay for when you buy premium buckshot?
In this video we compare three different buckshot brands, and how they pattern, using a ‪@VangComp‬ Model 764 590A1 "Standard" shotgun.

[@Ducaso]

I can’t believe the Winchester was 3 dollars a round. The Vang comp job seems a pretty nifty upgrade kit.

[@spiderenigma2803]

flight control is cheaper then double x? magic indeed

[@hoilst265]

That Luce costs a dollar a round? It really is buck shot. Eh? Eh?

[@T3hderk87]

I'll give it to you, this was one of the comments of the year...

[@MrRebar15]

*InRangeTV* Bravo well done, thank-you gentlemen for taking the time to bring us along. GOD Bless.

[@tomahawk1911]

Fine looking shotgun mod. Thanks InRange. I’d forgot about the forcing cone/chamber reamer improvement. Had it done to an 870 Rem. 30 years or so ago. Nice.

[@Murphy82nd]

Fiocchi makes a Defense Dynamics 12 gauge buckshot that patterns well and is generally pretty affordable, making it a good training option.

[@ConcealedLiberal]

Guess who was already watching prices on FliteControl in preparation for CQBrutality? Helpful quick comparison of patterning, and a nice summary of VangComp's modifications!

[@MrWarwick15]

Thanks Guys. Always very enjoyable content from you both! Rich.

[@GunsmithSid]

Twenty years ago my company sold a ‘tactical’ 870 package that included a Vang Comp barrel. They would lengthen the forcing cone, back-bore all but the muzzle giving our original cylinder choked barrel more of a Skeet or IC constriction, ported, then hard chromed the interior of the barrel. It did tighten the pattern and diminished flyers of all the ammo we tested, but nothing compared to what the Flight Control or Versa Tight wads do to a ‘normal’ barrel.

[@EastTennesseeVol]

Great video fellas! Just discovered Vang Comp tonight and seeing your review has me definitely thinking about getting the Vang Comp Model 764 " The Standard" Mossberg a go!

[@DWalter.27]

I know you skipped bird shot because it's a self defense video, but I feel like one of the benefits of the Vang Comp barrel is tightening up bird shot to the point that you can train with it instead of buckshot at some distances. Clearly the buckshot is ridiculously expensive right now, and I think saving on practice ammo is just as much of a reason to get the back boring as reducing the recoil is

[@commandZee]

A Vang Comped Mossberg Maverick 88 -That’s gonna be interesting.

[@oso1165]

Love my 590a1. Almost indestructible

[@christopherreed4723]

I ran Federal Premium Tactical buckshot through a Benelli M3 when I'd just gotten the gun and was patterning different buckshot loads. The difference between Federal's load and everything else I tried was jaw-dropping. Out of a plain, un-comped barrel that gun puts the shot pattern into the second, "4", ring of a TQ-15 target...at 25 yards. I don't know what dark arts Federal harnessed to produce that liad, but I like it!

[@167idpa]

Rear braking wads, plus plated shot, plus buffering, and depending on specific load a different pellet stack, and reduced velocity. They put all the good stuff in a single shell, and are the only manufacturer that does it.

[@Jesses001]

I have a Vang Comp barrel on my New Haven 600 (Mossberg...long story). It is a full rifled barrel designed for sabot slug large game hunting. I bought it with that barrel so I did not really know what I was getting, but I found it strange that my sabot magnum slugs felt just like the standard buckshot in my other shotgun...till I tried the magnum one in my other shotgun, haha. There is still a lot of recoil. It is a shotgun after all, but it is clearly far less than it would be without the ports.

[@mattliebenau9083]

Cool. I was wondering at the the beginning if you were going to shoot rounds with Flite Control wads and how much difference it would make. Taofleidermouse has done some vids where they seem to make quite a difference. I’m glad to see that borne out here.

[@theblindsniper9130]

Pretty amazing what quality you can get for such a great price. A while ago you made a video on a 1770's Charleville musket, Indian trade. Customized. Would love to see an in-depth video on how some of those old school rifles were customized and personalized. You would have much more knowledge on the subject than myself.

[@jupiterjunk]

Mossberg used to have 590-A1's, that came with the Vang Comp barrel. Now you have to go to VC, or send your barrel in. In either case... IF you are going to be using a shotty, it's well worth the investment.

[@1977Yakko]

My 590A1 is the 18" model with a simple bead sight. I swapped the furniture for Magpul along with their sling and barrel clamp, a high vis aluminum follower and Wolff mag tube spring plus a Surefire mini-scout light (500 Lumens) and that simple setup is my home defense boomstick. Not quite as fancy as this Vang Comp but it's effective enough against zombies I'd wager. :D

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Thanks lads.

[@hashiondiscord8540]

Love the shotgun content

[@justinmishler6758]

Good looking shotgun

[@maxmccain8950]

I found that Federal 8 pellet reduced recoil rounds several years ago and haven’t looked back. It groups tighter than any buckshot round I have ever fired. Just a tip, when you shoot so many rounds at the same target you can’t really tell how big the patterns are.

[@AkiSan0]

Luce was full body width. winchester was around 66-75% BW. (if you only count spread of each shot and not the total spread of five) flite was below 25% BW edit: i know TFM tested flite on longer ranges, would you do a range scaling test with those?

[@erroneous6947]

You can buy primed hills, powder, and pumpkin balls (1once.69 cal)and roll your own really cheap. With very minimal equipment. A small base that clamps on the rim and a crumpet that fits on a cordless drill. All you need. And of course you can do buck with shot cups if you want. The pumpkin balls are the cheapest way to go imo.

[@classicflyer6285]

4:04 Weird, the Big Guy said just to go outside of the balcony and fire two blast. No need to aim or verify your target.😜😅

[@Jesses001]

As loads go, I have some of that Federal flight control. It defiantly gives you a tighter group, and extends the range of your buck shot. I do not use that for everything though. If the shotgun is set-up as a secondary weapon for in home use only, I want more spread because max distance is maybe 5 yards. For a do everything or outside a building shotgun, that flight control is awesome. That is the nice thing about shotguns though. You get to pick different loads for different results on the fly...that is also the annoyance of shotguns as you have a lot more you need to learn, ha.

[@joshuamooney4509]

Of course this appears a day after i started looking to buy one of these...

[@Joe5561000]

I did pretty much this same test, however I used Wolf 00 buck, Noble Sport 12 pellet 00 buck, Federal 3" Magnum 15 pellet 00 buck, and Federal flight control. The Noble Sport and the 3" mags recoil and patters were very similar, and stated velocities were close, but the Noble Sport's was slightly higher. The flight control buckshot was the clear winner, however the 12 pellet Noble Sport did everything the 15 pellet 3" mags did but for far less money, and I could fit one more round of it in my Mossberg 500. So the Noble Sport was my go to defense round until I was able to load up on flight control buckshot. The thing I want to know is, why doesn't Federal use the flight control wad in other types of shells, like loads for water fowl or turkey, where range is necessary?

[@thecommissaruk]

This becomes an argument about what you want from your shotgun. If you're using it for home defence against a probably moving target, quite possibly in low light, you probably want some spread at 15 yards or so. If you're hunting deer, then the slower it spreads the better (you're very unlikely to be lucky enough for a deer to stand 15 yards away). Is shotgun ammo that hardly spreads really better than ammo that does, considering a bit of spread is usually a desirable feature? If you wanted no spread, you'd use a slug... or a rifle.

[@Jesses001]

Yes, defiantly all depends on what you want at the moment. I have that federal flight control and love it...for specific tasks. I also have regular wad buck shot as well.

[@pcnorton]

15 yards, 45 feet. Most self defense with a shotgun is not going to be outside. All those rounds put a hurt on the target. Of course if you live in a palace or converted bowling alley you might want to go with more reach.

[@thomasbeirne8213]

@@pcnorton That's why my Mossberg 500 was loaded with birdshot. I lived in a row house, and the max, I mean max, front door to back, however unlikely, was 10 yards. And neighbors everywhere, as it were. Birdshot ain't punching through those walls. Sheetrock, maybe :). You send it, you own it.

[@167idpa]

Depends on which school of thought you fall into. There are two fairly distinct groups. One prefers larger, concentric and dense patterns. The argument being it increases hit probability. The other camp prefers consistently tighter patterns. The argument being pellet accountability is necessary and at the distances of a likely home defense shooting pattern size will be relatively minimal even from a basic buckshot load. There is a little more nuance to both positions, but that is the 10,000 ft view.

[@jefftuckercfii]

No surprise to me that Federal FliteControl was the best by far. Nothing else I've ever seen can come close to it. We were able to get it for under a buck a round from TargetSportsUSA pre-Covid. No more. Vang Comp conversions are always impressive. Nice you can go directly to them for the whole thing OOB now. I'd like to see you guys test the Buck Kicker from Kicks Industries in a gun with interchangeable chokes. It claims a 20-22" pattern with any buckshot at 40 yards. It is a choke with an extension that serves as a muzzle brake. I've seen one test so far and it was pretty impressive, but verification is important.

[@larry648]

BB or BBB steel work real good too. It’s about 30 a box of 25.

[@WellDressedCaveman]

Vang has been customizing for decades.

[@werre2]

I have the 590A1 with those sights and heat shield but no comp holes or anything

[@jbkerns]

Does it do select slug drills well? How is slug performance? What are the estimated A/B/C zone yardages?

[@johnparrish9215]

Karl, check out the Fusion Firearms SXS shotgun called the Pitboss. Its not tactical but it is cool.

[@chrisspencer6502]

Clearly that tactical stamp on the brass makes all the difference

[@Murphy82nd]

Winchester also makes an Active Duty buckshot that can be found fairly cheap. I’d avoid it. Out of my 1301 by the time you get back to 7-10 yd the pattern is basically on the edges of a torso target.

[@pcnorton]

Would love to see flight control not comped at 15 yards. Versus comped.

[@jimyeats]

Federal Flight Control in number #1 buck. Literally the absolute best combination of pellets, penetration, recoil, and spread.

[@adamadams6740]

Sweet gun,and that Federal shot is putting in work! $1,000 on Vang’s sight looks like it’s worth the $$$

[@raletky]

It's really not worth the $$$. Just shoot the Federal Flight Control 00 or Hornady Versatite 00 out of a stock shotgun with a cylinder bore choke. Either round will pattern just as tight without the Vang Comp treatment. I've ran both out of three stock shotguns with a cylinder bore choke. They both pattern very tightly as advertised. The tight pattern that you see with the Federal Flight Control in the video is a function of how the shot cup is constructed rather than the Vang Comp upgrade.

[@DWalter.27]

I wonder why Vang does the heavier A1 instead of the regular 590; everyone seems to agree that the heavier barrel is only useful for the Navy

[@cutedogsgettingcuddles9862]

Karl, I love that shirt.

[@PJH-89]

Karl giving off Macho Man Savage vibes with that look. THE CREAM WILL RISE TO THE TOP! OHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAA. The shotgun looks great BTW

[@Hostilenemy]

Never mind Flite Control, those Winchester rounds are more like Flight risks

[@YourN4m3]

Now if only Federal would make some more of it!

[@Super-Kuper]

Monarch 8 pellet 00 Buck is like 50 cents per

[@tommoore8780]

Vang Comp offers 2 different forcing cones, "VCS Barrel Mod" and "VCS FliteControl Optimized". Which did you test?

[@WalterBurton]

👍👍👍

[@jameshealy4594]

I know almost all modern shotguns are cylinder bore, but would it be possible to improve those groups (spreads? EDIT: patterns of course, brain fart) with screw-in chokes?

[@DWalter.27]

Part of the magic of the Vang system is they allow the Buckshot to travel down the barrel without denting each pellet as much. Denting causes imperfect flying and opens up spread (part of why 9 pellet buck has fliers FYI). Anyway, a choke would introduce a good bit of denting again. The interesting comparison would be chokes vs Vang Comp. Perhaps Carl can pick up a hunting version of the Maverick 88, one that has a non-cylinder bore, and shoot a comparison. From what I've read online: Some buckshot likes a choke and others hate them. It'll be specific to your gun (not the model, but your specific gun in your hands). Almost all buckshot seems to like Vang (again, gun dependant), and the effects are better than chokes.

[@jameshealy4594]

@@DWalter.27 Interesting, thanks for the insights.

[@167idpa]

Pretty sure The Standard has choke tubes also. We could cross the streams and do VCS plus choke tubes on the same gun. 🤔🤔

[@zeroxception]

wouldnt it depend on the skill of the shooter in a stressfull situation? a slightly wider spread could be considered an advantage

[@wastool]

I feel like a Maverick 88 is set up right out of the box for defense, and you don't need to send it in, you don't need to do anything to it. That said the Federal Flight Control is magical and wonderful. My point is that you don't need a fancy shotgun, it's a shotgun. All it needs to do is cycle reliably, and you're good to go. A gamer shotgun, on the other hand, is a different animal entirely, but that's a story for another day.

[@DWalter.27]

A Maverick 88 has a massive length of pull. I'm 5'6" and can't even reach the pump to run it properly. Also there's no spot for a light or sling, which are crucial home defense accessories

[@ergofoxxxy]

if I had 300 to spend on a shotgun it's a maverick and the pistol grip forend thing. If I had 700 to spend on a shotgun, I would spend a little more and get a Beretta ultima patrol

[@contactacb]

$1000 against $700-750 for the standard model (they didn't give the VC price in the vid, just the normal 590 SSP). Is it worth the extra $250? You be the judge....

[@raletky]

That Federal Flight Control 00 buck with shoot that tight out of a stock shotgun with an 18.5" barrel. A Winchester SXP that I used to own as well as a Benelli M1S90 and a Beretta 1301 Mod 2 that I currently own all shoot the Flite Control 00 very tight, a ragged single hole at 10 yards and barely any spread at 15 yards, with a cylinder bore choke. If you feel confident in a tight paterrn 00 buckshot for defense/protection, just keep your stock shotgun loaded with Flite Control 00 buck. There's no need to send your gun to Vang Comp or buy a completed Vang Comp gun.

[@spacecowboystan]

It isn't exactly the price that made a difference. That flitecontrol will tighten up the grouping of any shot.

[@Mixu.]

"Weird" Haha. I quite like this look for a shotgun. I suppose it's a step past "Generic pump action," in a good way

[@ergofoxxxy]

Not bad, but if I had a choice i'd pick a used 1100 or other semi auto and reduce the barrel down to 18.5 inches. I can train on pump actions forever and still short shuck it

[@ergofoxxxy]

I think a 590 .410 pistol grip only might be interesting bc you could sight it with the low recoil and it would be more compact and handy than a semi auto shotgun

[@phileas007]

what the hell happened to ammo prices?

[@loosecannon6852]

I thought Vang Comp was the test they give you to see if you are a Replicant or not??

[@InrangeTv]

That's Voight Kampff.

[@justinwhite5822]

Flite control will shoot that tight in anything.

[@billstevens5277]

Luce is not the cheapest. True Shot in Tempe has Tenet buckshot, which is much cheaper.

[@454FatJack]

82 Ft=25 meters . Further start’s slug time, why what is that 33cal Lead bullet velocity= hitting/penetration power? Nice hole’s in paper and T shirt.. Spread 3-6 pellet’s past man chest size target

[@soldier715]

Mag tube isn't flush with barrel. Almost perfect but ya missed it. Also $1.00 buck is "bargain"? Homie you tripping.

[@daveputnam5809]

What kind of goggles/glasses are you wearing here, Karl?

[@FromMyBrain]

Your short sparked a horrible idea and this video is not helping... But I kinda need to see a Saiga 12 in this configuration.

[@JaykPuten]

I still like my maverick 88 But I'm a cheap bastard...if it's quality

[@Julianklaus]

I don't understand that flite control non sense. If I double odd buckshot, I want large pattern spreads on my target 😤. And Vang Comped 590a1 is redundant and useless nowadays. With a defender tactical kit for mini shells, you've effectively reduced recoil using mini shells, and with Magpul SGA stock, you have the option to adjust lengh of pull. I know have a 590a1s+ 😁

[@TheHallofTyr]

Mossberg 590A1 18.5" w/ghost ring sights ~$700 Magpul SGA furniture set: ~$100 ~$800 for a gun with the same sights and better furniture for $200 less than the vang comp. Frankly it's not worth the $1000 they're asking especially when you consider you can have your barrel ported after market for around $150. So you can spend less and have the same function and better furniture for less. Nice try but it's simply not worth the asking price.

[@johnwallroff5918]

I have a Vang Comp and I really like it... But, if you want to do some kind of valid comparison you really need 2 identical firearms, one with and one without the Vang Comp treatment in order for this ammo comparison to make any sense. Also, it's kind of known that ported shotguns, like one with the Vang Comp treatment can do weird things with Federal Flight Control ammo. So, it's entirely possible that an untreated barrel would act quite differently. Your short comparison was basically useless.

[@MauldtheMan]

Gimme all the legally shortest OAL shotgats with appreciable upgrades like this ya got