Installing a Curbless Shower on a Concrete Slab

[@db0nn3r]

Damn, been following you guys for years and just came across this 4 year old video. You’re still about the only guys on KZbin that did a curbless shower on a concrete slab. I expected no less. Loving the new garaj mahal build.

[@StudPack]

Thanks for checking out our old stuff D! It’s an oldie but a goodie

[@zachcoleman6285]

This guy and his son are a rare breed I respect their work ethic/quality Enjoyed this video

[@raysstudio970]

I decided to watch all these guys videos from the beginning. The craftmanship and quality are amazing. Such honest, humble, and hardworking people are so rare nowadays. Even if the work is going to be covered by dry wall or toilet, it is still solid quality behind it. Masterpiece.

[@StudPack]

Thx Ray much appreciated 💪👍

[@Olivia-ps4wz]

"I never know when to stop. I can make it better, I can make it perfect" I felt that in my bones. PS it does look perfect.

[@StudPack]

😂 thx Olivia 👊💪

[@ultragare]

Same. I’ve probably said that exact same sentence verbatim on more than one job. So nice to see someone else who actually cares.

[@TheMoonSeesMe]

Watched you guys 4 years ago when this came out, and again today when I have to it this myself. I liked you back then, and you have only been improving!!

[@splanzza]

Very cool to see SPs older video and to notice progress of your channel. We can say now “this is old-school SP”. No music, different editing, different dynamics between you guys vs now. Also now you are rocking your own merch. No more sport brands. Same old quality with new and improved SP flavor! Most importantly a healthy father-son relationship from the day one! And yes, I will chip that like button, self-level the bell and sledge hammer that share. All the best crew.

[@dannihenson3420]

Thankyou! Having two of you really helps putting things in simple terms, like "short one" and "all of this or just the square" is what all us diy people think when we try to fail at doing something. Both of you do amazing work!

[@rogerweaver7686]

Just ran across this one, I must of missed it before. Gotta say you guys have evolved in being more comfortable with the camera and dialog. Great channel.

[@mikeys7536]

You get a lot of satisfaction out of knowing the job is done perfectly like that. If you’re like me, getting to that skill level requires learning from past mistakes.

[@aname4me]

I've followed you (both) for a couple of years. I just watch this video. . . . WOW you guy have improved. ConGrat's !!!

[@ericpalacios3568]

Just thought I’d comment on one of your guys’s old videos. How far yall have come, especially Paul. The confidence and the way you explain things 5 years ago to now is insane. Still did it well but now you’re just a natural on camera, always know what to say and how to say it! Much love yall been watching for years, since yall 1st upload. Much love from AZ!

[@tomclark9142]

Superb work. Such great explanations to the ignorant (me!) in how you bring things to such beautiful finish!

[@user990077]

Hooray! No obnoxious hard rock during time lapse sequences. Did not have to mute this video once. Nice work.

[@jamisonblenker4769]

I learn something new with every video I watch of you guys. I’m obsessed

[@keithspencersr.6806]

Great work gentlemen, glad your dad give great tips for DIY’s, as a old new draftsmen that is so great see these days

[@StudPack]

Thanks 👍

[@timmy12434]

You both are so respectful and thoughtful in all of your work

[@aaronkuhns6211]

Thank you the most complete step by step process and explanation. Of a curb-less are on slab.

[@Mr67Stanger]

Man, I've learned so much watching your videos. It gives me a lot of confidence. I love when you explain the little details. Thank you so much.

[@tinoamor]

Man you guys are the best. Watching it over and over, gained confidence, about to do it. I have the tools. I'm actually going to practice the leveling and downslope on a makeshift sandbox. I'll send pics when I tackle it all. thanks again!

[@chrisunderhill8853]

you guys are doing good work, i really apreacit your tips and tricks. the way you guys teach is the best way. I am as well doing a whole house remodel hall bath from a 1950s house in to a two bath. For a customer and you got one thing right its a lot of work. Most people don't realize all the little things you don't see till the walls start going up.

[@jonathanolvera9615]

Been watching you guys lately. You've come a long way in your presentation but always great work on jobsites. Love your work. Keep it up.

[@robertsalas3984]

very enthusiastic young man working with dad , when i worked with my dad it didnt go well at all he expected more from me than the guys he actually paid and we fought all day plus i had to drive home with him 😒😒😒😒🙄 . good for you guys seems as if you make a great team and definitly do good work .

[@Bigcee248]

Great job!!! A blessing to see a father and son team! 💯

[@kennygray1970]

Awesome work aside, can you teach a class on fatherhood? There are so many guys out here missing the mark when it comes to teaching their kids to take pride in your work, supporting them and actually teaching them something that they can carry with them their entire lives. Kudos to you sir.

[@lennyadamowicz7642]

Use a dot laser on door framing, window framing etc. Make a mark say like 3” from bottom of your stud, then put your Dot Laser on that 3” mark Dot Laser will shoot that red dot straight up/down. Go to top of stud put your tape measure against the top of stud. Adjust stud until the red dot hits that 3” mark! Really helps me & is a great tip! 👌👌Great job on this Video! Keep um coming!👍👌💪👊

[@sen3990]

very nice , yea 5 does sneak up on you especially when you are making progress and feels great !

[@AtHomeDIY]

So glad I found your channel! I'm doing this same project in my master bath this weekend. Likely going to film and post it as well. Great stuff!

[@limestar9751]

I like the idea of scoring / cutting the concrete. With my lack of experience I probably would have just spiked it then chipped it. Way more dust and way more vibration/fatigue. This is better as you only need to use the sds/demo hammer one time.

[@abenzuoo]

Some serious thunder there 🥳 nice content, i really like that the tools arent the most hightech you can buy. Gives that homemade feel that we mostly need here 👍👍👍

[@alonsocorrujedojr1527]

I have that same porter cable saw. Bought it at a yard sale for $10. It works great still for the last two years.

[@tedspens]

I have the same Porter Cable sidewinder and I swear it never quits. I've beat the heck out of my for years and it's just keeps on going.

[@AlexeiTetenov]

Jordan's editing skills have vastly improved in the past 3 years. Keep up the good work!

[@StudPack]

Thanks Alexei! Always trying to improve 👊🏼👊🏼

[@JaySean777]

Keep up the hard work! We appreciate you both!

[@kamalnasari8632]

Hi .The best I love , and I realy needed to know , was the work u did in your lovely Mom . U made my day . I loved it 😊😘😇❤👀❤🕯❤☕🙏🙌👍👏👏󾓦✟✟✟󾓦 LORD be with u all .😘

[@carlososborne2866]

Hi GUYS. This is great information. Its the video I NEEDED at the time at needed it the most. Never done anything like this but, im turning my old style plastic tub and destroyed it and doing something similar to you alls set up to use as a handycap all accessible Shower.Still in good shape but just thinking into the future, I already ran into trouble and found serious termite damage. Still determined to do it all by my self

[@StudPack]

Thanks Carlos! Glad it was helpful and best of luck on your project.

[@ultragare]

I love roughing in toilets that way! When the floor is finished we just use a multi-tool to cut the 4” pipe flush and then use a flange that fits into the 4” pipe like you described. Sink four tapcons and we’re good to set the toilet.

[@fillowtree5505]

Nice job! Liked the idea of watery thinset as a bonding agent.

[@salpacheco196]

Great job. You should think about making a dedicated saw for this job specifically. I drilled and tapped a hole in the shroud of my skilsaw where I inserted a brass fitting to adapt a 3/8” tubing to the lavatory angle stop. This will help free up your assistant to vacuum up the water. Just a helpful tip. God bless

[@StudPack]

Cool idea thx Sal 👊👍

[@platinumchopper]

While waiting for the new video I'm going to YET AGAIN go re-watch old videos haha.

[@spooled91t]

I have a feeling that the rip cuts took considerably longer than the 45 MIN mentioned lol.. I'm finding out the last 2 days.. maybe it's just my 45 year old super hard concrete.. next time ill rent the big concrete saw instead of wearing out this old 7 1/4 inch Skilsaw! Love your content, favorite channel on KZbin!

[@jimmydavis6954]

That "missing water hose "was Really God setting them up to take a break😂dang terminators

[@hugorossel9555]

great job thanks for sharing higly confident now to finish my standing shower. cheers from Grand valley Ontario CA

[@kenmore01]

Great video! I haven't seen anything building related that you haven't mastered. One tip: When driving screws into the plywood backing through the stud, I'd drill a clearance hole in the 2X4 so you're not threading into it. This saves energy, and eliminates the possibility of a trapped space between the plywood and the 2X4 caused by the threads holding them apart. Otherwise, you're basically stripping the threads in the 2X4 to cause the plywood to pull up against it. May as well start with that.

[@StudPack]

Cool thx Ken 👍💪

[@a2jettagli]

Just stumbled upon you guys. Watched the entire thing thru...immediately subscribed after 5 mins though. I really appreciate the level of detail you both describe as your working. I don't know much so I'm trying to learn as much as I can for when I do my bathroom shower. Definitely got some more pointers.

[@rkivuti]

Great job guys. Loving the content.

[@recyclespinning9839]

I was going to do this in my basement remodel but I chickened out and just bought a fiberglass one. Nice job

[@StudPack]

Thanks recycle spinning👍

[@asudavew]

My old man always said, "Know when to say when." lol

[@anthonyrendon6293]

They make a good father and son team. I have to complete remodel my 3/4 bath. Got 2 teenagers to help and learn.

[@StarrTile]

Pretty much the same way I did my last curbless shower on a slab, where is the follow up on the finished product though ? Nice Tundra 👍 I have a 2010 and love it !

[@StudPack]

Our video where we installed the exhaust hood for the stove has a walkthrough of the house that has the completed shower, go take a look let us know what you think!

[@surffish386]

Sooo the wet circular saw on slab. Ive typically key cut like 1.5" relief on perimeter using makita with shop vac and plastic off room. Im curious on what looks like a well ventilated remodel this wasnt used. To avoid the slurry in drain and having to flush trap. Genuinely curious. Not hate love all of the content guys. Ive been down here in florida for 15 years doing tile and kitchen bath remodels and always looking for more info and to improve. I just know that on many jobs any kind outside mess is a huge no no! Most of the snowbirds in FL really strive to make there lawn like Delaware and you cant even toss out your water bucket outside. Let alone flush a trap. I do like the idea of a hose to spray out drain over the full respirator mask plastic and negative. Theres no issues down stream like with exterior washout??

[@StudPack]

@@surffish386 You can see a black rag in the drain beginning at 16:07. I mentioned earlier in the video that years ago I had to replace a p trap in a floor drain because the concrete finishers let the slurry harden in the p trap. Lesson learned and always a good reminder, I should have pointed that out again, thanks Weston.

[@goskidmark]

These guys are the best at the trade! How do you get the pan so smooth? 1 gallon of water per bag makes it SO rough.

[@BrentKamrath]

Im proud to say im from Puyallup WA. It's totally kool to know your Washingtonians!

[@trae7959]

Currently in the building process and a bath tub including the plumbing was left out... what is the estimated cost of breaking up the concrete, adding a vent for the bathtub and water lines, etc? Builder doesn’t want to hold back the progress to make it happen

[@WarmMyHeart]

Fn beautlful work old timer love ur work and ur spirit u put into it

[@lovelyluxxx5989]

Thanks! You guys are a great team ❤

[@HagaseCiudadano]

Great videos and you guys do great work. Extremely informative videos…..👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@stich1960]

Your guys videos have gotten much smoother over the years. Is there a reason you went this route vs just tearing out the concrete before the plumbing and then poring a little concrete to the slope you needed?

[@stich1960]

Not a criticism btw maybe that just seems easier to me because I used to pour concrete

[@StudPack]

This shower was bordered by two exterior walls. I didn’t want to have to jackhammer into the footings and risk cracking the stucco. The footings on this house were huge. I tunneled under one in another video

[@juniorscarpentry4982]

I have the same porter cable saw and I love it :)

[@patriotmessenger]

You two are awesome! great to see a Father-Son Duo. And such High Quality Work! I LOVE your work on KZbin. I hope your doing business because of this. (Hey-- I'm into safety invest in those Safety Eye glasses, so you can save your valuable eyesight!)(Hey Dad-- you show your trust in your Son. His KZbin presence is current and helps make this awesome!! Keep it up!) I'll highly recommend!!Angela Peters, AZ

[@leebannister3759]

At 12:20 - i wish I got see your process for the thunder around the drain. Super important step

[@freightshayker]

It's like science with you guys

[@markvurp]

Great work! I’ll be pouring a 4” thick slab home soon with radiant heating lines within it and I want to do a curb free 32”x72” shower. How would you recommend recessing the area and how deep?

[@Mrcool12684]

Paul, this is a rookie question but how do you determine the slope? Like to the drain pan you put in and to the old concrete, how did you figure out the height or depth to place to drain pan? Love the channel guys! You too are rock stars and a good team!

[@KevinDiaz-kz9lt]

1/4” per foot from the longest point within the shower pan to the drain

[@KingSobieski]

A bubble level at 'zero' and a tape measure.

[@dannihenson3420]

Taught that: You get a perfectly straight board. Lay it at center point (the drain) going outward(the wall). Lay leveler on top of board. If the bubble is where you need it your good. Follow this all the way around. Then 2 more times for good measure.

[@tsjuno]

This is awesome. Would love to see the finished bathroom

[@StudPack]

Thanks Troy. There is a shot of the finished bathroom in the hood installation video on this same house published 8/29/19 mile marker 3:20

[@barbmarik]

Hey guys, love your videos. Super helpful on my DIY projects. I am planning a new home that will have polished concrete floors throughout except for the showers. The showers will be tiled and curbless but I am struggling trying to find videos that show how to make the tiled shower floor level with the concrete floor in the rest of the bathroom. Since I will be finishing the showers myself, should I have the builder leave the shower floors gravel and install the insulation board and concrete myself at the required slope?

[@DEFCONx19]

Had this reccomended today. It's amazing how far you all have come and how much more comfortable you are on camera. Do you script things a bit more now? Or is it just a matter of you all found your groove?

[@johnbeckwith1361]

Nice job, I am building one right now and understand that feeling of being able to move onward after all that chipping. Not sure why you didn't have all the shower floor cut away, re-pour the slab, then drypack it though. After all, somebody was already there cutting that slab...

[@bobbyz7736]

John, did you demo your floor and then repour it? Did you dowel into the edges with rebar to tie new pour into the old slab?

[@jeremydodd33]

Hey Paul, I have a question. When setting your first flange in the drain pipe; how much gap do you want from the bottom of the flange to the surface of the concrete slab?

[@alonsocorrujedojr1527]

That came out really good! I know exactly what to do now!! Haha

[@pegflorida9700]

Y'all are very clean when you work!!

[@tysonw2417]

Yeah, I liked how clean the area stayed during the project.

[@deeplorable8988]

I just wish I could say as much for the customers for which I work. What a bunch of pigs is most customers.

[@benjaminunderwood12]

I had to laugh cuz I did but great composure in your lesson on the pipe after somebody farted and you didn't laugh you wanted to but you didn't laugh LOL good job lol

[@vinhgolf]

i love the video. great details explaining the pitch and how apply the thinset and the concrete mix. i have a question, what do you recommend to use on first floor which has a 3/4" plywood for the base and using the pebble stones? and how deep did you cut the floor with the diamond blade?

[@benrjohansen]

Ok, as I watched you addressed the water electricity question. Good vid

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

Great job!! Seriously you found your calling, both of you!

[@dans9462]

Quick little tip You should unplug it when changing a blade.

[@luisanayalopez]

Is there a part 2 to this video? I’m wondering if you need any type of water barrier?

[@tecraptor]

Hey @StudPack! Long time listener; first time caller. One of my favorite early videos from you guys, and proud of the upward momentum you have earned. Was there ever a follow up to this video specially about waterproofing then tiling this bathroom? Thanks!

[@BrutustheGladiator]

Looks like Jordon is more a camera man than a builder I’ve watched a few of your videos and it seems like dad is always finishing what Jordan started (just saying)

[@doug8237]

Haha I been wanting to say something but didn’t wanna be an asshole. Dad has lots of patience. If that was my dad I would of got slapped already.

[@snoodle877]

This is the greatest video ever! Exactly what I'm gonna do but with linear drain. Question, how far below the floor is your drain, looks to be about 1" (I think you said 1/2" per foot).

[@johnnyMacburnette6711]

love your stuff! your the man, oh' and son!...lol. but bro you know your stuff. always go to your video's when i have a question pop in my head!!

[@surffish386]

I love the "not knowing when to stop" comment Ive been guilty of a pump sprayer and rounded pool float...

[@lennywells51]

Gotta love Porter Cable!!!

[@inklipMedia]

Others are using plastic liner or paint-on water barrier -- perhaps standard practice where installing in framed floors / over finished space? Obviously, synthetic moisture barriers didn't always exist, and on a slab-on-grade floor, what's the worst-case, anyway? Tile failure > a gallon a day leaches into slab, maybe makes it through to dirt below? Erosion over time? Frost heave? My situation is a basement in a row house, so I'm not worried about frost heave. Seems like moisture barriers can also cause problems. Would love to have your thoughts.

[@StudPack]

We almost always use Schluter Kerdi on the the floors, depends on availability... it's bulletproof imo. I don't think liquid applied like you get at the home center are proper for shower floors. check out www.diytileguy.com/ I agree with everything on his website

[@ronhill3931]

Please be safe wear eye protection and hearing protection. Yall are doing a great job

[@MyLifeDIY1]

Construction genius!

[@awildelife]

I wish you guys could redo my small basement bath! The previous owners definitely weren't up to code. I'd trust you guys any day!

[@jessicahites871]

Question.. Why'd you use the thin set and paint it on and then the quikrete on top for the shower base? Tip- ram set is soo much nicer for affixing studs to concrete, easygoing and fast😁

[@chrishill1073]

Nice video. I'm doing a custom shower in my basement. Pretty much the same as this. Is it ok to make a concrete curb poured and tied in with floor. I plan on tiling it with shower doors on the curb?

[@StudPack]

concrete curbs are fine but it all needs to be waterproofed with Ditra or similar pitched to a drain

[@stanbernal2789]

Great job guys!!!!

[@shannonvaughan4385]

Man, you should have had the Benny Hill music playing while doing the time lapse of the shower floor. LoL! That would have been perfect.

[@StudPack]

😂

[@samuelspornhauer1019]

Awesome job!

[@johnm41]

Great help. Thanks for the effort! Loved the thunder. Cheers

[@rickwedlake116]

Check out some stuff from Baton Rouge industries, makes anything waterproof, check out their video on you tube,, it’s called deaqua lube, c139

[@victorhugolara4103]

It was a very neat educational video. Keep it up!

[@StudPack]

Thanks, will do!

[@ThomasHickmanPhoto]

You seem down. Hope all is well. I started watching you with your extension cord video, and haven’t missed one yet.

[@copdwarriormcdonald7968]

Outstanding Job again! OORAH

[@billsmith9249]

Always enjoy watching you guys work. I feel you are well qualified to have done the electrical. How come you sub-contracted that out? Was that a requirement for your local city code or ordinance? Thanks!

[@StudPack]

Correct, our local permit office requires licensed electricians and plumbers only. They pull a separate permit and it's digitally attached to my building permit. Thanks Bill!!

[@stackin_steve_8223]

Im basically doing this same exact job. But the shower is custom and has different measurements from every wall.

[@mejicanito]

Just and advice please be careful thats a power cord machine u dont wanna use water with that one cause u can get shock . Is better batterie power tool . Please just be safe my friend dont mean to be rude u did a awesome job Godbless you

[@jlrockafella]

That shower drain had so much cement fall into it that I was surprised it didn't clog up. I would have taped shut any of them. Besides that, it looks 👍

[@garronteed]

Great video! Thank you for the content. It is evident that you take a great deal of pride in your work. I know that someone can make any job look "neat" in their video with editing, but this is an obvious representation of your careful and considerate craftsmanship. Not only did you keep you primary task clean and neat; even in brief background shots that might look like a disaster area in some other videos, your job-site was pristine. I'm not sure if it was all you, considering you obviously had other trades coming in, but given the materials in inventory in the background, and your reference to longer term phases of the project, I'm assuming you're the lead on this. That organization and neatness says a lot about the way you respect the time your customer is paying for (assuming this isn't your own home). Kudos! That said, I have a question about the use of wet thinset on the slab just prior to dry-pack. Would it be equally effective to use a bonding agent (blue-glue, as a like to call it) over the existing slab before setting the mud base, or is the wet thinset used for a better reason? It looks like you may be new to the KZbin thing from your subscriber count, but the content suggests you're miles ahead of that subscriber count. I'm very much looking forward to more videos from you! Subscribed!

[@StudPack]

Hey Richard thanks for the kind words! We're glad you enjoy the videos. Dry pack mortar will not properly adhere to concrete on it's own. It's moisture content is way too low. We intuitively know that two bricks won't stay together without mortar. Think of the concrete slab as one brick and the dry pack as another. The thinset slurry bonds them together like mortar between two bricks. Stay tuned for more videos we got some awesome stuff coming out this week!

[@BlueOriginAire]

the Blue Glue as you referred to it , is the new school. Old school is the slurry made of portland cement you see here. I learned that from Mike Haduck ✌🏽

[@christophercasanova9335]

Did you guys keep hitting the blade with water the whole time it was running or just kindy keep the area wet?Thanks for all the content love it guys