Installing & Testing the 20x4in Front Motor Kit

[@RollRoadEbike]

wow, that's sick! ! We would definitely recommend this kit to customers who want Emma 3.0 to be a badass beast!💯

[@CitizenCycle925]

Just wait till you see the finished version!

[@gwrace]

@RollRoadEbike Do you think the Emma 3 front forks can handle that 750 watt motor?

[@damonjenkins3798]

Just order one! You won’t be sorry! These are top notch high quality parts! Makes a huge difference and completely changes your bike! So much more fun to ride! Bryan is as honest as they come. You won’t be sorry! Some Other AWD bikes are just outright dangerous on loose terrain or around corners. The separate throttle is so safe and so user friendly. You don’t have to use switches or go through cumbersome steps to activate AWD like on other bikes. So much more reliable with two completely separate systems. All my friends are ordering. Order quick because they will sell out fast. Don’t wanna miss out! 😄

[@CitizenCycle925]

Glad you are enjoying and it's worked out for you Damon! thanks again!

[@michaelhorton6166]

That second motor assembly makes the bike INSANE!

[@notsoanonymous2458]

I love seeing these kits that you are doing and the comparisons between the stock set ups, especially with the timer. I wish someone was doing a kit like this for the Emove Roadrunner. Unfortunately no one is and I feel that it's a missed opportunity.

[@CitizenCycle925]

I thought that scooter was all-wheel drive already and doesn't it go 35mph?

[@notsoanonymous2458]

@@CitizenCycle925 It is all wheel drive and it'll hit 35 if you're lighter weight. I was more referring to a plug and play upgrade kit. It's not a dog in the world of P-Ev's but I'd like to have a more acceleration and top speed. People are still doing their own upgrades in the model of the Road Runner Tronic (a fast, 72v version of the RR which Voro discontinued over a year ago) but that can get too complex for most people. A simple solution would be nice.

[@Dressor835]

Dual motors really makes a difference. I was going to add a front motor kit for my 20 inch wheel bike but decided to go with the bafang BBHD mid Drive motor kit. It works great. Great acceleration and torque

[@CitizenCycle925]

Nice work!

[@robertbrooks7936]

I love what you’re doing. I’m hoping you still put together the display and controller combo kit, because that’s what I want for my Himiway Cruiser.

[@suburbanblk]

My Raev GTX would love this!

[@CitizenCycle925]

It would give it a serious power boost that's for sure

[@LeeAyzahn]

Finally! I'm so glad you offer the 20x4 kit now. I can't wait till you sell those forks as well. Is there a particular grade of sand paper you use to sand down the drop outs?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yes, i ordered 20in RST Guide forks also. I usually just use whatever sandpaper i have lying around maybe 180 grit.

[@pdleyland]

I can’t wait to be able to add this to my Emma 3.0!!!!

[@CitizenCycle925]

@pdleyland I have them available on pre-order now. going to try to get them here as soon as I can. probably November timeframe

[@gwrace]

I took advantage of the holiday sales and just picked up an Emma 3.0 with the mirrors, rear pegs, second charger and phone holder. Also pre-ordered Bryan's front drive motor kit. Would love to see a double crown fork option offered.

[@joeysSEMassachusettsWeather]

I would love to see you add an after market front and rear blinker set that is wired. I’ve seen kits on Amazon but not sure how it would plug into the controller

[@boblaturner7427]

Can you comment on the Ariel Rider X-Class front forks... they are reverse forks and I'm wondering if they are the same as the Grizzlies (or do they need to be replaced)? Thanks!

[@CitizenCycle925]

I no longer have my X class but I believe they are very similar to the Grizzlies forks and probably would not need replaced. I think those dropouts are very strong. but that's a call you would have to make.

[@blown9646]

Cool. Looks like a rectangle shaped 20ah pack would fit nicely in the ST area, instead of adding that weight to the rear end!

[@GaSo42]

Can you find dual crown fork for motor? I have seen several bikes that have a reinforced dropouts on double crown fork with a motor.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Working on this. I did find a set of 26in double crown Forks that should work. probably order a few of these to have them in stock but I won't get them probably till November. Not sure if they can also make them in 20 in..

[@GaSo42]

@@CitizenCycle925 Do you think inverted forks can works with motor? It looks like it have stronger dropouts. I seen it on few bikes with dual motor. It has bolts under dropouts. Looks more secure. But don't know.

[@iwasframed1370]

I remember when this channel use to be about riding and reviewing ebikes. Now it's just a promo channel for front hub motors he's selling.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@iwasframed1370 my channel has always been about modifications. Reviews are probably my least favorite thing to do but everyone seems to enjoy them.

[@tenncutt]

So go elsewhere

[@iwasframed1370]

@@tenncutt *SYBAU*

[@firstinlastout]

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs"(1 Timothy 6:10) not accusing you of this citizen cycle, but just made me think about this verse and I wanted to put it out there, for the good of all the people reading

[@iwasframed1370]

@@firstinlastout I'm accusing him of this. When money is involved people seem to lose their focus of the path they were on. It truly ruins a person.

[@ruriruri03]

Hi. Do you put washer on the cable side of the motor so the cable is not squeezed? Does the front suspension still work from forcing the motor in?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@ruriruri03 email me and I will send you a pic of how the washers are installed. the fork will work just fine

[@draklo11]

Do you have a kit to change out the Wired bikes wheels to a smaller size than the 24s that you showed previously?

[@CitizenCycle925]

i do not, I'm not sure it would look right with 20in wheels

[@draklo11]

​@CitizenCycle925 what would you recommend to make the Wired cruiser more rideable for shorter riders?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@draklo11 unfortunately there's nothing you can do to make it any smaller

[@Hoggdoc1946]

The second display for the front motor looks like a KT display the same as I have on my E cell five star. Very nice display with lots of variables.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@Hoggdoc1946 yep KT LCD8H

[@chrissetter]

Great job! If it’s at all possible, I would recommend adding a slow start feature or a delay for the front motor so it won’t burn out from a dig. I commented too early and didn’t see the end of the video! Sorry! Great job nonetheless!!!

[@Neil-rj7bm]

How many watt is the 20"×4" front wheel motor kit

[@fakku6356]

I need to order one of these wheels where can I get one

[@raheim29]

Hey. Can you tell me what kind of brake pads does the freedom use. ...? ...pls

[@CitizenCycle925]

It depends which model of Freedom you have the older modrls use tektro E10.11 and the new models are 4piston Gemma brakes with larger pad

[@user-cl1rv8vl7x]

I’m excited for the 20” kit. I have the Himiway Big Dog and I’m wondering if I can put the controller and battery in the bag in my front basket? I need to be able to remove the extra weight for my bike rack. It has a weight limit. How much does the kit weigh? Will I need to replace the front fork? Fork cost?

[@CitizenCycle925]

the motor/wheel weighs about 12lbs and the battery weighs 10lbs. plus you have the controller and wiring so you would be adding probably 25lbs to your bike. putting the controller in the bag is not ideal since its better to have some airflow over it. I always recommed RST Guide forks since i know they have strong dropouts. I have some on order and i sell them for $139, you can also find them on amazon for about $160 or some other sites for $200.

[@stevencherry3545]

That looks very interesting. Nice kit.

[@kdscrapping4452]

Nice!!

[@Riddick_4506]

Can you possibly do a 20x3?? It's so hard to find that size for an Letric XP 3.0.

[@CitizenCycle925]

what is the fork dropout spacing on that?

[@Riddick_4506]

@@CitizenCycle925 not sure, I'd have to measure it...

[@pdleyland]

I’m having a hard time finding the RTS Guide fork. Any suggestions on where to look?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@pdleyland I've got a shipment of them coming in a few weeks.. 😁 but I can usually find them on Amazon if you need them sooner

[@pdleyland]

@@CitizenCycle925sounds good. I’ll wait for yours.

[@AccordionSqueezer]

Can I swap my 35amp controllers on my Radrover for your 45amp controllers... Are the plugs compatible? If so, I want 2 controllers...

[@alvinjensen3550]

Hope everything is good for you and family as of September 30 after Hurricane Helene. God be with you all.

[@Dorothy-j6y]

How much is your 26 inch inch conversion?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@Dorothy-j6y $969 for full kit. $599 without battery

[@JuanRivera-xb8nk]

Will those forks fit on an X-Class?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yes the guide Forks should fit on an x-class however you would lose your double crown Forks just like I did with this Emma . for the X class I'm not sure you would even need to swap the forks. I'm pretty sure they have strong dropouts, if I remember correctly aren't they steel..?

[@JuanRivera-xb8nk]

@CitizenCycle925 Not sure if they are steel. I don't mind swapping em due to Not fond of the way the mud guard looks on them. Prefer closer to the tire look.

[@alanflatau1685]

How can I unlock 20mpr limiter on the 26x4.0 kit I bought INSTRUCTION SUCK ??

[@CitizenCycle925]

@alanflatau1685 within 5 Seconds of powering on, hold the up and down buttons until the display programming screen opens up. The very first setting is speed limit. just increase it as high as you would like

[@Ebikepowerlevel5]

I have your kit on my himmway and i am using a blender with your 52v battery so i can run 52v in my back wheel and front at the same time it works great

[@CitizenCycle925]

That's great to hear. I'm glad it's working well for you!

[@dailylife3975]

I just want to add a bigger controller to the rear I have the Seeker 24 dual motor but it's got 2. 25 amp controllers and I want to put your 45 amp controller to the rear

[@jasonkrantz8946]

Nice

[@davidcrowson4745]

❤

[@oldmanebikes8392]

You say it's a 45a controller but on your website it shows a 30a +/-1a max output controller and rated current is 15a so how are you getting 45a

[@CitizenCycle925]

@oldmanebikes8392 good catch! thank you! I uploaded the wrong picture, it's fixed now, 45 amp controller with 22 rated current

[@oldmanebikes8392]

@@CitizenCycle925 lol ok cool. I'm getting the Meelod DK 300max sent to me and I'm thinking of doing dual direct drive motors on it with either 52v or 60v and dual 60a controllers.

[@LeeAyzahn]

@@oldmanebikes8392 I've got the DK 300Max and it's already a beast at stock. But, upgrading the motors and making them independently controlled would be sick!

[@oldmanebikes8392]

@@LeeAyzahn I plan on doing dual direct drive motors and probably 60v with dual 60a controllers

[@LeeAyzahn]

@@oldmanebikes8392 That's gonna be insane. The only problem in my opinion is the limited space in the middle of the frame for a bigger customized battery with the rear shock so close to the middle.

[@alisalopez2549]

Hi there I just got my furious E-BIKE it's 45 MPH what will I need to replace the motor up front to make it More speed for me I ride my e-bike to work it's 12 Miles and back what size wood you recommend for me. So I can purchase one from you or your company.

[@tennysonjames2969]

what model furious did you go with? i have an emx awd on pre order but they still have not shipped it yet

[@graffmixer]

🤔🤔🤔Thinking if I would be able to to install this on my Radmini 4. I'm thinking that I definitely will need to change the forks. Debating.

[@CitizenCycle925]

It'll definitely fit the Rad Mini, but I'd recommend the fork upgrade

[@raylivengood8040]

👍🏼

[@jcr2871]

now im buying an Emma.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Haha great bike though

[@jcr2871]

@@CitizenCycle925 Do you ship your Kit to Canada?

[@ICEMAN40CA]

You do realize the further your video went, the more I got to thinking.. You might as well just order a new frame and build it yourself. Whomever is.wanting one

[@jasonkrantz8946]

Put that on x class lol

[@bassw1758]

Completely pointless, is it for a really powerful front motor, when your rear motor is barely putting out over a thousand Watts which is most of these bikes, what we really need is a rear wheel kit with some power, currently the thousand watt Bafang is the only semi-decent motor kit you can buy, and you can't find it in a kit anymore, you have to buy everything separately, and lace the wheel yourself.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@bassw1758 I might also make a more powerful rear motor kit. I think that would be a big seller, but it wouldn't be nearly as powerful as adding this front motor to a 750w ebike. I did a couple videos adding the front motor to a basic Himiway and Aventon bike and it makes them pretty beastly

[@stevencherry3545]

I was on your site this morning and am wondering what battery do you reccomend? Thank you.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@stevencherry3545 for the kit 52v is recommended, and also the BMS needs to be able to handle the 45a controller draw. That's why I sell a kit with appropriate battery included, makes it easy 🙂

[@bassw1758]

@@CitizenCycle925 do the batteries you sell have a BMS that puts out 45 amps, I usually only see in 30 or 40 amps on a 52v,

[@CitizenCycle925]

@bassw1758 manufacturer tells me my battery can handle 45a continuous and Max current of 60 amps.