Intel Rocket Lake i9 11900K First Impressions - Overclocking to 5.3-5.4GHz on EVGA Z590 DARK

[@yuriyjikharev6966]

Der8auer delidded it and it made a 12°C difference vs. Stock solder. But very tricky to delid.

[@murenitu]

high risk for broken....

[@albertoguzmanceballo2234]

Good job. Could you test gaming? Reviews about gaming are all over the place. Mixed results.

[@dustinthomas2998]

I had no desire to do anything with rocketlake but those 32m scores are insane! Decisions decisions

[@yuriyjikharev6966]

Finally your point of view concerning 11900K! Dou you think that my 2x16 GB Trident Z Neo XMP 3800 14-16-16 1.5V manufactured in January 2021 is any worse than 4266 17-18-18 1.5V you advised, to try 4700-4800 MHz with 11900K?

[@LuumiJuhani]

Hard to say, needs a test to know. Now my main interest is on 2x16 dual ranks.

[@neizon5012]

Январь 2021 это самый свежак, должны поехать 4400 с16-17 на вольтаже до 1.5 по идее. Отличный свежий бин

[@I_smael]

Very cool! :D I have a 10600K and I think I will buy the 11700K.

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

just buy a 10850k. unless you need the binning.

[@I_smael]

@@miniweeddeerz1820 I finally take the 10900KF...

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

@@I_smael great choice.

[@Apollo-Computers]

I'm really only interested in the new dark, and if the new CPU helps in Port Royal, if not I'll just get the 10 core

[@LuumiJuhani]

I will test that myself soon, like is there gain in Port Royal.

[@S4SK__1]

i want this cpu with 12 cores, temps should be still in check since it runs so cool

[@ulysses8300]

Could you explain what the shortcut Whaha! does?

[@LuumiJuhani]

It frees up memory. So if ram use is 1.1gb before clicking it, ram use might drop to 800mb for example.

[@Csavez79]

Good little video! Thanks I am now testing the 11900kf on the evga z490 dark kingpin, 1.26v stable on the 5ghz avx2-avx512 0, cb r23on 55 ° C! However, the memory can't be dragged on the 2.01 bios, I want to drag 4266 a little higher "error code: 55", on 1.09 it was the starry sky with 10900k! I also tested 11700k, I needed 1,345v with the same setting, I sold it fast.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

No windows thread scheduler is not to be trusted. Ive caught its 🦍 tier zoo experiment running single threaded applications on logical threads in process lasso. It depends on how its feeling that day and what program.

[@Anriuko]

Onkohan näitä emoja tulossa vanhalle mantereelle? Kun Rocket Lake on vielä saanut niin paljon huonoa julkisuutta, niin pistää miettimään mahtaako jälleenmyyjät/tukkuritkin jo vähän jarrutella "romuraudan" hamstraamista. Jotain törkeän hintaisia (~165% MSRP) Z490 Darkeja löytyi hakukoneella, mutta ei kiinnostaisi lähemmäs kiloeuroa maksaa emolevystä.

[@LuumiJuhani]

Joo älä vanhaa osta, mieluiten uusin jos jotain ostaa. Katsotaan nyt tuleeko pian saataville.

[@Anriuko]

@@LuumiJuhani Onko tietoa kuka näitä yleensäkään myy? EVGA:n suora myynti näyttäisi pitkälti rajoittuvan Jenkkilään.

[@LuumiJuhani]

@@Anriuko On niitä useissa kaupoissa euroopassa, katso geizhals.eu.

[@videocardzrule354]

I just purchased a 11900K, My 10900K randomly died. Gonna run the 11900K on my Z490 Dark Kingpin. Running a 3090 Kingpin HC. My cooling is very very very good. So I am hoping I get a good chip that can hold 5.2-5.4 all core.

[@LuumiJuhani]

So far it feels that 11900K chips don't have so much variation compared to the previous generations.

[@videocardzrule354]

@@LuumiJuhani Hey Luumi I just recently lucked out on a Golden sample 11900K, the chip does 5.4Ghz at like 310 watts, and 5.3Ghz at 255 watts during Cinebench. 5.4Ghz is accomplished with 1.465V In the bios, 5.3Ghz is done with 1.355V in the bios. The IMC somehow manages beyond 4000Mhz CL14 in gear 1 with dual rank memory on 1T command rate. It is an amazing CPU. It is world better than my other 11900K.

[@yuriyjikharev6966]

*Luumi* I plan to buy a custom IHS for 10900K from *Bartx* and there is pure copper version I've seen you using in one of your vids, but there is also nickel-plated version of it from him. I checked and copper has 4x higher heat conductivity than nickel. Is nickel-plated version only for the looks? I plan to have liquid metal between IHS and DIE + between IHS and cooler.

[@critical_unknown]

Liquid Nitrogen Xoc Video when?

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

Honestly if intel just launched a 10nm with a huge amount of threads and clocked it down, with low level APIs actually coming out pretty regularly, it would be viable for new games AND professional applications. If you want fast single threaded capabilities use an older platform or they could launch a low cost refresh specific for that computing environment. Preferentially something mobile oriented.

[@ziggyziggler]

I really want that z590 dark. I emailed them about getting one but they didnt even have any info on when I could get one. Do you have any ideas?

[@LuumiJuhani]

Need to wait for a moment.

[@nereusftw]

Last I heard from Jacob last Wednesday 3/31 was that the Z590 FTW will be out mid-April and the Z590 Dark shortly after that. That's as specific as it got.

[@thomaspachalgikian2238]

@@nereusftw Oh this is the kind of info I was looking for ! Thanks !

[@peterpersson1967]

What cooler do you have? I'm getting 100C at 5.2GHz 1.375v with a 360 AIO.

[@LuumiJuhani]

Custom water cooling loop, you should build one too.

[@peterpersson1967]

@@LuumiJuhani I see. That would be nice to have. I will first take the now 5 year old AIO apart any see if it has built up gunk on the fins. Thanks :-)

[@evocybernation8839]

@luumi , may you provide me with the bios changes to bring up the CPU to 5.2GHz? Thanks

[@r3drumg33k3]

I'm sure EVGA sent him a fairly binned chip.

[@LuumiJuhani]

1.45v -75% droop.

[@dvr1337]

Wait there is a z590 dark?

[@FlanK3rCZ]

I did max 5250 MHz two days ago (streamed, on my channel). But I have not there DJR or A2, so I was only on gear1 memory mode

[@andrendenum1]

Doesn't the 4.0 pci-e for 11k gen intel apply to Samsung pci-e 4.0 nVME storage 980 read and write? Wouldn't that make a difference over a pci-e 3 gen nVME like the Samsung EVO970 when it comes to read/write instruction transfer? I'd think that difference in caps and thresholds would make a difference. Also I might have missed it but, what is your gpu and cpu cooler?

[@n1kobg]

@Luumi Please make a video on delided & liquid metal. On these temps u get now, it will make a difference & 5.5+Ghz would be very possible. The temp drop will be bigger than with Coffe Lake because of the bigger/wider surface of the cores.

[@BeardedFire]

kinda wish u had shown what u did in bios. ive checked around and i cant seem to get my i9 11900k higher than 5.1 and with a x51 multiplier

[@Grechieman]

Luumi just wondering how you figured out which cores were your weakest? Would I be correct in saying, you set override voltage, and drop all but 1 core to say 48x, set 1 to 54 and test for BSOD?

[@netbat4399]

prime95

[@murenitu]

I have a 10900k at 5.3 all cores with avx0 and 54x4 cores I apply a +1 boost turbo profile so if it is cold I have 55x4 and 54x10 avx0! Do you think it would be better to catch a 11900k? is it intrinsically for gaming? In multitasking I am above in all the tests from what I see but in single it runs for example I stay around 244-240 points for example in R15 ... or in r20 570 points 577 points! would it be worth it?

[@rov_es]

What cooler are you using though?

[@doofesnator4913]

I was trying to oc my 11900k but no wonder I couldn’t even do 5ghz. You need those crazy voltages, am I dreaming or something. You need 1.45v and it’s safe now?

[@bingbing3464]

perhaps you have a very badly binned core. do some tests to identify that weak core and set a separate multiplier to it, while increasing the multipliers to the better cores.

[@doofesnator4913]

@@bingbing3464 no it’s the same for everyone one now

[@bingbing3464]

@@doofesnator4913 weird.. 5/5 of people i know easily hitting 5.4ghz tho. But they're all using asus and msi boards. With a 360mm aio.

[@doofesnator4913]

@@bingbing3464 optimum tech recently uploaded a new video, yea it’s been nerfed heavily

[@bingbing3464]

@@doofesnator4913 i actually dont think it is nerfed.. but rather these reviewers havent grasp the right method because it is now a different architecture. Search for this channel skatterbencher. Watch the 2 latest videos. Those guys in Overclocknet are flying above 5.3ghz and 5600mhz rams

[@rccosplay3249]

I had a Nvidia Asus Tuf 3090 OC since Late November, Just waiting for the release day of Rocket Lake to build my PC. I finally got the 11900K 5 days ago and now I'm debating should I return it. I want it just for Microsoft Flight Simulator, I read on the Verge that it does quite well due to the high single core clock. Is that true? Should I keep the 11900K? as I have 10 days left to get my money back. What to do?

[@Cloudybox12]

Keep it. It is supposed to do very well in MSFS

[@koreymayo8884]

How were you able to achieve this? My 11600k will not go above 4.9 GHz without crashing even with the voltage only around 1.35 volts. I'm using an MSI Z590 board.

[@TheBURBAN111]

when someone tells me the 11900k runs at 100c ill send them this.

[@jotunheim5302]

You look like a fool...

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@jotunheim5302 well its true... so many people saying it runs at 100c lol... even with a good cooler....

[@mongopoju]

I can’t get 5.3GHz all core working in cinebench r20. Runs great in games for example.

[@ingu9924]

z590 dark? Where is it sold?

[@dustinthomas2998]

Depending where you live evga website is where I look first

[@zipo4217]

I'm very interested how 10900k performs on this board (especially interested about ram latency vs z490 dark). Any chance you could test that?

[@MrDeadBook]

Show me your BIOS setting... i want to oc my i9 11900K

[@lalalala3968]

@HomerGTX 9000 you stupid or what ?

[@lalalala3968]

@HomerGTX 9000 thatsthat sound about right. Remember 11900k can run a lot more voltage than last gen due to the core sizes. Less cores and bigger sizes. Dissipate heat way better than 10900k. But you might want to benchmark it. More speed doesnt mean better results.

[@StanProModelsUK]

@Luumi Please can you make a video on how you did this per core oc and how this all works please please I got this cpu and gigabyte Master z590 and more details on cooling you use and ram and then the actual video of you overclockig, please 🙏🏻 I know is now outdated but I cannot find no one to help and no easy videos that can show this OC simple and straight forward, as I’m trying at least to get my i9 11900k 5.2ghz, so far easy on all cores 5.1 @ 1.345v, thanks a lote

[@drival060590]

Good morning and thank you very much for this informative video! Maybe I am not the right target since I am primarily interested in gaming performance but nevertheless, I have a question concerning the memory: Did you already acquire some experience with the Gear 1/Gear 2 modes? In most of the reviews with "normal" boards one can read that the maximum clock speed you can run in Gear 1 is around 3600 or 3733 MHz. If you apply higher clock speeds it would automatically switch to the Gear 2 mode because the memory controller cannot handle that (the reviewers say). I am asking because I really want to have the latencies as low as possible. And for gaming issues, I wonder if it would be rather "reasonable" to buy let's say 3600 MHz RAM with CL14 timings for Gear 1 or to buy 4800 MHz RAM with CL18 timing for Gear 2. I've just bought the EVGA Z490 Dark K|NGP|N edition since there was a huge discount in my country on this board. If possible, I want to Step-Up to the Z590 Dark if it joins the Step-Up-program within the next 3 months. So, in the end I will end up with one of the 2 boards anyway. I come from a Z270-platform (Core i7 7700k), so I am not experienced with the last 3 generations and the new one. Maybe you can help me out.

[@LuumiJuhani]

Yeah I should test that one myself, surely the raise in the mem frequency has to be high to compensate the drop in mem controller frequency.

[@enriquec.7057]

New to overclocking can I leave it overclock for long gaming sections? I bought the artic aio cooler

[@LuumiJuhani]

Well the key is to find reasonable daily speed that is stable in all situations. Nowadays Intel gets the stock speeds much higher on their own than before.

[@yuriyjikharev6966]

Would you say that 11900K is "better" to achieve higher dual rank RAM frequency thanks to 1:2 mode and does it require lower SA/IO compared to 10900K 1:1 mode?

[@LuumiJuhani]

Will see soon.

[@EriIaz]

If it works just like AMD does, then it should achieve higher frequency, but it’s unlikely you’ll see any meaning performance gain out of that. I’d go 1:1 and latency optimization instead.

[@neizon5012]

Did you use chiller for this test?

[@LuumiJuhani]

No, normal water cooling loop.

[@Garrett1974]

So if the 11900K has a better performing IPC, wouldn't that make it faster in games than the 10900K? Since no game makes use of 8 or 10 cores anyway? (as far as I know... correct me if I'm wrong)

[@rdmz135]

Higher latency, like older Ryzen

[@TheBURBAN111]

games use 8 cores some use more.... you can get a decent fps boost going from a 6 core to an 8 core....

[@volodumurkalunyak4651]

@@TheBURBAN111 games do scale with L3 cache. AMD Ryzen 6core (5600x) vs 8core (5800x) shows that very clearly as game difference between those 2 is minimal. Also 5600g and 5700g (1/2 L3 compared to 5600x/5800x) are significaly slower in games. There is also an Intel game vs L3 test (11900k with 2 cores disabled vs 10600k and similar tests) where results are quite the same

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@volodumurkalunyak4651 it really depends on the game and gpu... some games already use 60%+ of the 5600x... cpu intensive games that is.

[@sneedsneed460]

Despite the hate, I'm tempted to get one. Will definitely wait to see how it does with the Z590 Dark (production version) as well though before buying. However I'm not sure if it would just be better to just hold off for the 12900k and Z690 Dark considering Alder Lake should be out this year

[@rulik007]

11900k overpriced garbage for fools worse in many cases than 10850k Dont buy it

[@roccociccone597]

why would you buy this? The 10850k is a better buy if you want something from Intel, or get a 5900x if you want to spend over 500 bucks for your CPU. The availability is getting better too.

[@sneedsneed460]

@@roccociccone597 I already have a 5900x workstation, I would get this for gaming purely and overclocking

[@roccociccone597]

@@sneedsneed460 then save some money and get a 10700k, a 10850k, a 5800x or if you absolutely need 11th gen, get the 11700k. The 11900k is a waste of money.

[@a36538]

So does this mean the 6 month old z490 dark is obsolete and won’t be getting bios updates/oc profiles & etc?

[@LuumiJuhani]

It is not obsolete, especially for 10 core 10900K it is still great.

[@OpKadao]

@@LuumiJuhani Hi there, any reason to upgrade from a 10900k with a dark z490 KP edition to the new z590 dark?

[@LuumiJuhani]

@@OpKadao It depends what you want to do. But generally the gain isn't high enough to upgrade. In some cases it will be worse.

[@thomaspachalgikian2238]

Wait ! So the EVGA Z590 might arrive soon ?

[@LuumiJuhani]

Yes

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@LuumiJuhani I have a few real world benchmarks going up right around now you might want to test out. Id be curious to see how a buffed rocket lake handles them.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@LuumiJuhani Only a handful of them left. Please test these if they are in your library. Im curious to see how it stacks up vs my 5950X. I will eventually get 4000mhz ram for it.

[@kanth2012]

Im just mad about all this video due to EVGA not shipping all those Great products to EU... :(

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

They traded core count for transistor real estate per core including floating points with the caveat of bigger cores means more latency. Its basically better at brute forcing through trash programming whereas last gen is better if the programming isn't trash.

[@thegameoftimeskiller2984]

1.46 vcore without delild? for 72 degres

[@psihopsiho4003]

Can you oc 11700k? Cant get stable 5ghz only on 1.5v its fsk to much

[@iDexy88]

read the video desc about 11700k OC

[@psihopsiho4003]

@@iDexy88 hvala brate 😁

[@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi]

i have check also the use the 10th on z590 and is different also. i can not pass 4.9 without using almos 1.40. I will try again. no idea why

[@lordmadara6728]

5.1 sync all core 1.36v

[@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi]

@@lordmadara6728 i try that.... to hot. i can retry again to check that again. the gains vs hot is not worth

[@lordmadara6728]

@@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi 1.38v ?

[@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi]

@@lordmadara6728 I will try again

[@BorealSine]

Expected to see insane single core IPC boost and more cache on i9 model.. Extremely dissapointed, not sure why they even released it. Next AMD lineup will be 20-30% faster than current one.. Intel has nothing to offer, lowering prices constantly won't work for another few years, so they need to work extremely hard right now to return the crown. Im on 10700k myself and not going to upgrade unless magic bioses start to come out and fix the performance which won't happen i guess.

[@bingbing3464]

It seems to me, the rocketlake is kinda like a proof of concept of the backporting of nodes as well as the IMC performance for DDR5 and the PCIE gen4 controller.... a product lineup being used to validate their R&D effort which will then be applied to the alderlake and meteorlake. And since it's rock stable even before the launch, id say it is a great success. Compared to AMD suffering from gremlins in their AGESA at launch and even till this day. Because it's backported from 10nm, the die is actually 2.4 times larger in 14nm thus heavily affected the 8core variants negatively. However the 6cores especially the 11400F is doing superbly well... these will rake in tonnes of profits for intel in the mainstream/corporate office market where AMD's only product the, 3600/4650G in that segment lost in both price and performance, and also availability lol. But well, honestly with a 10700K, there is no reason to upgrade. It is already a very capable CPU... unless you're itching to try on messing with a new architecture. The overclocking toolset in the bios for the 11th gen is pretty fun.

[@viperviper76]

when we watching mobile we can't see any numbers or emails, too small

[@wewillrockyou1986]

Z590 motherboards are way too expensive imho

[@el_manosanta]

Great

[@drpoomanchu]

Cancelled my 11900k order… this gen is pretty disappointing IMO

[@LuumiJuhani]

Depens, should be a 10 core though.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

The cache not hitting even 4.7 is laughable. Sure you aren't messing with other settings like haswell made us do? Skylake and up was easy.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

Input voltage. Cache voltage. System agent voltage. Im guessing its the impedance of being physically larger cores the IMC interfaces with. Its likely you only have one core/cache coupled voltage to worry about.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

Virginize your timings. DDR4 is safely able to hit 1.65 volts and even higher. Not that its going to matter.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

Just totally decouple the memory controller from the ram and be done with it. 4.5 is trash. My haswell i5 was doing that.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

Honestly with sub ambient shrinking the physical distance electrons have to navigate its probably not that bad a CPU. The power draw all said and done though is complete garbage.

[@LuumiJuhani]

@@remasteredretropcgames3312 After 1.6 samsung b-die usually loses stability with full capacity.

[@Marthos01]

GG

[@sabishiihito]

Loomy!

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

Skylake lineage died at 9th gen. Remember spectre and meltdown?

[@BorealSine]

anyone got hacked using spectre/meltdown? Ive not seen a single one person yet. All overclockers disable it, it just slows down the perf and doesnt do anything