Interview with Junior JS Developer

[@oresteszoupanos]

missed joke: "have you worked with Vanilla JS?" "oh is that a new library? Is there a Udemy tutorial for it?"

[@nikky_nick]

😆😅🤣

[@primostasis]

hits me so hard when im starting to JS

[@shmeklz]

@@primostasis almost all js developers write code using frameworks and a bunch of libraries. But knowing vanilla js is necessarily because you won't be able to use frameworks, consequently, you won't be able to become a js developer) yes, there are jobs where you have to write code with vanilla js but I think it's a mess

[@zh9664]

@@shmeklz your literally a programmer and you missed a bracket in a KZbin comment

[@AndreiDinTheHouse]

Most people like a lot of library chocolate in their vanilla.

[@maxmccord9883]

You forgot - "Sorry, I was busy writing a Medium article on an OAuth middleware library I half-learned on Udemy yesterday. I'm already up to 10k claps!"

[@rossgeography]

lolz

[@rossgeography]

@@bernardogalvao4448 - that’s sad - I read some good python articles on there

[@vasiovasio]

Sarcasm Level Infinity!!! As PHP programmer since '99 I like it!

[@tungnt101294]

Universities these days wouldnt let you graduate if your medium page has not covered at least 5 new techs that you dont understand.

[@rossgeography]

@@tungnt101294 these days.. if you say you're English you get arrested /s

[@topcivilian]

"I put in a few bugs only I can fix." -Kai Lentit

[@jacobkreifels7690]

That's how you own the code. Now they need you

[@AdroSlice]

I feel like thats more a senior strat than a junior one

[@topcivilian]

@@AdroSlice yes it is and Kai Lentit learned it from an Udemy course

[@scarpmetal-e5e]

Joke’s on you junior, all of my code only I can fix

[@chillappreciator885]

O - ownership

[@efeminella]

There are two types of Junior JS Devs. Ones who are afraid of everything because they don’t even know how much they don’t know. And ones who are afraid of nothing because they don’t even know how much they don’t know.

[@Calcific9]

Don’t forget the type you are depends on the mood for the day. It’s a back and forth

[@ohmegatech666]

There are a few who were around for the whole history of JS through web 1.0, JQuery, AJAX, XHR, to Angular, React, etc. and who try to stay up to date on all new stacks, frameworks and libraries, but they tend to get burnt out

[@technical6ify]

@@ohmegatech666This was me kind of. After Angular in a large app, I realised I was pretty happy with direct DOM manipulation with a small library to implement components & event binding that’s automatically released. Maybe a little more work, but easier to maintain & reliably refactor as it is subject to type checking. I then eventually ported all of it to Dart. For the other devs, I’ve added a tool that automatically reads the Dart code into an HTML-like representation & then writes it back to Dart. Any changes that would break that code is caught because it’s just Dart.

[@Ankhar2332]

please we need more hostility towards Juniors devs! They are getting job too easily

[@CanaldoIllan]

this is totally true, I'm both of them

[@frostytf2]

This makes the senior one so much better.

[@Candyapplebone]

Yep. His positivity and eagerness - DESTROYED

[@grumpylibrarian]

At least he's using JJQuery.

[@Jesus_was_God]

which one? There are 2 already, just like Javascript, it iterates

[@DJMpro1999]

As James Acaster once said: "Never in my life have been so offended by something I 100% agree with".

[@arjuntejasvita]

I just came from your senior JS developer video. I died laughing from how accurate it is. I am now watching this video. 30 seconds in, I am ded again. This guy just summed up my 5 year journey in two videos. Subscribed.

[@srali7609]

"iv put in a few bugs only i can fix" - yep seen those guys they do exist

[@archr3135]

you made me actually look up whether jjquery is a real thing. i would not be surprised if it were.

[@boltyk1]

jees, the same for me. did you find it yet?

[@panflashproductions]

If it's not, there will be one tomorrow.

[@thi-m10]

I actually Googled it. So many libraries, who knows...

[@holonaut]

Yes it's a thing apparently, it's jquery but for java

[@Pretecdr]

Is there an udemy tutorial for it?

[@jayshartzer844]

*Drinks Java* *Spits out Java* "I don't like it"

[@theodorealenas3171]

I did jiggle but why? Junior front end devs don't like Java? I thought they like it's simplicity.

[@ArchoSoma]

@@theodorealenas3171 Can't handle verbosity and all the boilerplate. Life's too short to write Java.

[@theodorealenas3171]

@@ArchoSoma yup plus it's a curse if you're attached to some IDEs. But the junior dev?

[@s1lli]

@@ArchoSoma amen brotha

[@dipanjanghosal1662]

As a junior developer, can confirm

[@keithprice1950]

The Udemy digs got me where it hurts!

[@skyeye61]

I took a bootcamp back in 2019, been working in the field for 1 year. I ve been mostly confident in my ability until this video. I feel so attacked.

[@certaindeath7776]

so you already have experience with 4 or more companies?

[@skyeye61]

@@certaindeath7776 Dev wise, two companies

[@alejandrocastro211]

I love that his sentences have much more coherence than the ones from the Senior JS Developer, but do not reflect the real world

[@colincampbell2978]

Web dev twitter in a nutshell

[@dilln2158]

I feel attacked on a personal level

[@nichtolarchotolok]

As a self taught junior JS developer (not a full stack developer though :< ) I can confirm this is extremely accurate, especially the part about udemy. I literally cried out of laughter watching this.

[@NightmanCZ90]

I can also confirm that :D

[@atom_digital]

Me two!

[@castercs]

so is udemy bad ?

[@bechararammouz5276]

Me too 🤣🤣

[@rubenverster250]

@@castercs nah man. Udemy is great for learning the fundamentals of a technology. But that's the thing, it's only fundamentals, core concepts. You'll have to switch over to the docs to get a better understanding. Biggest difference between Junior and Senior is that the Senior RTFM

[@42jnyl]

"Yeah, I'm a senior fullstack engineer" okay, someone saw my Indeed resume

[@ertugrulghazi334]

I just now get the reference of him drinking coffee and saying he doesn't like it 😂😂. Absolutely brilliant.

[@yavuz425]

coffeescript?

[@ertugrulghazi334]

@@yavuz425 I thought it was Java 😂😂.

[@saeedatenzi]

@@yavuz425 java's logo xD

[@Mempler]

Oh lol! Java... I didnt think of that, absolutely funny

[@UtaShirokage]

After years of experience here is my best advice: If you can avoid using a library, DO IT AT ALL COSTS.

[@walkieer]

Anyone care to elaborate?

[@whatevsimbulletproof]

Why tho?

[@momanmirul]

@@whatevsimbulletproof one reason I can think of is using libraries is like a trade off between faster coding experience and having code customizability, and you're kind of putting up a wall that restricts you to merely what the library can do. Also, when you realize that a library doesn't sufficiently provide what you actually require, now you'd have to break that aforementioned "wall" down and rebuild (i.e. rewrite) stuff by yourself which obviously takes time and beats the purpose of using a library in the first place. Another thing I guess is that libraries tend to bring in more than what you need which in other words they bloat up your project and end up slowing things down, like a website would have to take more time to reach First Contentful Paint just to load JS. Now of course there are ways to mitigate this but when it comes to maximizing efficiency it still boils down to just being bloatful. P.S. do correct me where I am wrong tho if anyone is more knowledgeable than I am on this

[@Schindlabua]

Also a couple months down the line you try to update dependency X only to realize that the original maintainer has quit software and is doing a backpacking trip around europe. Reading through 100 open issues you find that some people have created "X-light" which has an API that's compatible with that of X, ..almost, and it implements 80% of it's features except the non-trivial ones which you needed the library for in the first place. So you look a day or 5 for suitable replacements until the realization hits you that you've baked X into your application so hard that it's going to take you a week to dissect it out of your codebase and replace it with anything really. aaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@tayyibali5052]

So dont use react?

[@spacedaniel492]

"Hacky? I mean that's how programming is supposed to be" 🤣🤣🤣

[@tinycontractor]

"And we just use a library for this." LMAO.

[@1chaplain]

"I leave a few problems that I only know so how to tackle so that the company keeps me around"

[@Jonas-Seiler]

honestly seems like a decent dev and pleasant coworker

[@tofraley]

You gotta love the "all languages are the same" mentality.

[@mryodak]

Aren't they? They copy each other on purpose.

[@Schindlabua]

@@mryodak The hard part isn't learning the language but the ecosystem :)

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Anybody who thinks that, go look up “Structure And Interpretation Of Computer Programs”. It’s an MIT undergrad course. If you manage to pass it, you might learn something about programming languages.

[@Jonas-Seiler]

he's kinda right tho

[@Jeff-kf7om]

This guy is great! "I guess we could re-write it, but that'd be a lot of work. That's what libraries are made for." Hahahahahahahaha

[@Allyourneedsmet]

But on a curious note, is it bad for js devs to use libraries, i mean... They are solving a problem i would take time out to write on my own.

[@Jeff-kf7om]

@@Allyourneedsmet Well, yes, I agree sortof. but... Think about youtube for example. They do video. Do you think youtube uses gstreamer or other libraries to handle their video? Nope. They own their technology. They wrote it. Why? Libraries exist that might "solve their problem." Always own your stack, and own as much of your technology as possible. There are tons of good reasons for this. This happens in other engineering disciplines all the time. The folks who built the Empire State Building also built most of the tools like gantries and cranes that they used. They built a small-gauge railway system on every floor for parts delivery. And they built the building in record time.

[@martinn.6082]

@@Jeff-kf7om oof, that is not at all how you get a viable product in under ten years.

[@Jeff-kf7om]

@@martinn.6082 That's really just a statement, not an argument. People are free to hire "Kai Lentit" to build their viable products quickly.

[@martinn.6082]

@@Jeff-kf7om Would you seriously build a video player from the ground up instead of using a free, tested, open source library? Why? Your code will never be as good and you just wasted at least a month of dev resources on something somebody else already did better than you could. While we're at it, why not implement HTTP requests ourselves? Or HTTP itself? Why not write our own protocols? There's a reason developers are more productive than carpenters, and it's that we can reuse code that is proven to work. You know the science mantra "on the shoulders of giants"? Imagine if every scientist had to start over and prove Pythagoras' theorem instead of jumping into manifold theory right away. Humanity would not progress at all. Software development is similar, in my opinion.

[@jeffwang5677]

"Oh this is just a variable" 🤣🤣🤣

[@MilkIsASauceTV]

I like that you have no idea what This is referring to throughout the entire video. He just keeps saying it with no context, it's exactly like what programming in JS feels like

[@SLRModShop]

damn, this is brilliant!

[@AlexanderEndless]

I can already see the workings of how he turns into the other guy. (Senior Js Developer)

[@NeXeN-y1e]

wow. you are right.

[@michaelcobb1024]

The ad that played before this video was literally for a full stack bootcamp 😂

[@whatilearnttoday5295]

There is some javascript which can fix that.

[@arisu_dev]

"Full Stack Bootcamp" 😂😂

[@koalakakes]

every 'full stack' dev i know changes jobs every like 6 months lol the moment anyone asks them to do real work they blast them on social media as a toxic work environment and jump ship to a new startup or something.

[@michallasan3695]

And this is allright, no real pay, no real work.

[@asim-gandu-phenchod]

This is exactly how my interview with an HR guy went last week

[@jerrygreenest]

I didn't know Matt Damon became JS Developer

[@2wheels2]

im waiting for the vacuum tube programmers talking through the wind over their gravestone.png

[@ppsaha1994]

"All programming languages are the same." A friend starting with javascript this told me this line this morning. I was dying inside.

[@BusinessWolf1]

I think what juniors mean when they say that is that all programming fundamentals are the same in every language

[@hitthemill8595]

@@BusinessWolf1 Even this is not true. Java fundamentals are not C fundamentals.

[@TheGreatAmphibian]

@@hitthemill8595 Ummm… They’re pretty close. Try Prolog or APL…

[@Jonas-Seiler]

@@hitthemill8595 it really is kinda true though

[@hitthemill8595]

@@Jonas-Seiler I mean of course they have something in common, but that doesn't mean they are the same, I dare any junior JavaScript developer to write in APL.

[@twobombs]

the 15 second black screen with the reverent immersive silence gave room for the deep inner sadness that got evoked just 80 seconds before it :) isn't life just one big happy place

[@kairoswave]

I can relate to "Is there a Udemy course for this" lmao

[@zindexcourses]

As someone who’s into JavaScript for nearly two years and never uses libraries or frameworks I feel a little confused about wether I’m on the right path to mastering the language or just slowing myself down lol

[@michallasan3695]

I have seen maybe just one job offer of JS not requiring any library.

[@_nimrod92]

@@michallasan3695 The what was probably the best job out of the jungle.

[@michallasan3695]

@@_nimrod92 They also wrote that they paid well, it seemed suspicious to me. They wrote they belonged to Fortune 500 or what.

[@_nimrod92]

@@michallasan3695 Now it seems like they asked if you know the framework do you know “VaNiLaL jS” lol

[@JoshPowlison]

Most web dev jobs that I've seen do require at least some library knowledge, or Wordpress. If you're trying to get a general job, you'll have to have at least a passing knowledge of the general tools. If you're trying to get a specialized job, you just have to learn the tools for that job. One of my friends loves and focused in on backend and got a job as a backend dev. I focused on vanilla scripting and performance optimization and ended up becoming a game programmer. Previous to this, we both tried learning general tools together (Angular, React, Vue, etc), and we both hated them- neither of us ended up with much package knowledge. And that ended up not mattering at all for either of us, because our specializations are what ultimately helped us transition into our jobs. If you establish what kind of job you want, you'll be able to backtrack and figure out how to get there. (maybe this is weird to say here, but feel free to message me as well if you want to talk more about it)

[@raymondallo9947]

I have been working with it for 10 days, all programming languages are the same. I am a senior full stack engineer. Said the Junior JS Developer. Can't breath laughing.

[@BingtheLizard]

This was basically Clement Mihailescu in his video where he ranked programming languages, except unlike the character here, Clement was arrogant enough to seem sure of himself

[@Sem5626]

the drink of the coffee and "mmm i don't like it?" shot at java ay...

[@jeromesimms]

That's too relatable ☠️😂

[@inversemetric]

yeah I'm a senior full stack engineer ... if I had a dime for every time I heard that, I'd acquire twitter

[@jacobkreifels7690]

This is literally me right now learning stuff on Udemy

[@tijldeclerck7772]

I remember being stuck in tutorial hell on Udemy for so long!

[@rubenverster250]

@@tijldeclerck7772 It's so nice when you just RTFM :D

[@HabiburRahman-xs9gb]

so true, that's actually me

[@ahnafahmad7199]

The Udemy parts were so relatable!!! lmao

[@saurabhchaudhary7342]

Am I being stalked?

[@daedalus5070]

Learning JS at the moment and this already hurts.

[@tea_otomo]

This sums up javascript Twitter

[@tkoghdn]

I love your videos. Your sense of humor is on point brother. I will watch all your content.

[@carlsantos7862]

this hits everything that I do as a junior JS dev except for the libraries

I am a full stack developer :) and I like the other video where John Carmack talks about the future of JavaScript... is it reliable? no! is it awesome? no! so why do we use it? it somehow fits, magic V8 speed, garbage collection, doesn't break easily or doesn't break completely, easy to learn the basics.... and null is an object!!!

[@breensrobert]

JJquery had me laughing😅

[@sonOfLiberty100]

I even check if there is JJquery, there is not

[@MrSomeDude]

@@sonOfLiberty100 soooo you know what has to be done

[@tru3sk1ll]

@@sonOfLiberty100 I'm not a UI dev so I had to look that up too

[@naisone]

@@sonOfLiberty100 there is, its jquery for java

[@sonOfLiberty100]

@@naisone BS

[@TESkyrimizer]

lol I have a CS degree but I still use Udemy tutorials

[@DMSBrian24]

yeah for real, a good tutorial made by a professional is better than many outdated uni courses, imo lectures are one of the worst ways of teaching out there and the best thing i got out of my studies... was my diploma xd

[@guilhermealvessilveira8938]

Yeah, i use Udemy too.

[@salsichalivre5401]

not question of using it, but extracting relevant information. University is supposed to give you fundamental basis that go cross technologies. Very few can also achieve technological relevancy and some of them avoid it because you may miss key points that old technologies expose better. After a good CS degree, you can learn a new technology within a day or 3. That is the difference. Spending 3 to 4 years to be able to learn stuff in 1 to 3 days after that.

[@teemee7670]

@@salsichalivre5401 I feel like i didn’t gain much from my cs degree. To prepare for learning new languages, I’d rather have practised by learning some current language than disassociate to some waffle about finite state automata. Sure I could have talked to lecturers about stuff but I was too anxious and smelly to talk to them at the time. Software engineering degrees are probably better. Computer science is if you think you might become a researcher, which is very niche.

[@Blast-Forward]

Well of course, why not ... Or does university teach you everything about every technology and even the future ones? 😅

[@whitecollarhat3287]

I switch companies for every 6 to 9 weeks really described how junior developer mood swings 🤣🤣

[@ayanamij]

This is like Key and Peele for developers.

[@roboticbaboon3125]

Well, not the kind of junior JS programmer I know :) It'd be more like: "You find it on npm, add it to grunt, CI it to heroku and that's it. Write code? What code? You find code on npm. The hardest part about javascript is git. Bugs? There are no bugs in JS. Everything works. If it doesn't work, you find some code on npm that works. Linter. Lodash. They're like low level. But I'm not into this low level machine code. I use npm for javascript."

[@JoshPowlison]

"The hardest part about JavaScript is Git." 🤣 Pure gold.

[@michellanea_]

😂😂😂

[@jarecturner297]

I feel personally attacked by this.

[@sofiel.1931]

Finally one that's relatable to me

[@walterclementsjr.5947]

JS devs introducing a npm module with 1 line of code and get 10 million downloads the next day.

[@creeg8303]

"Is there a Udemy tutorial for it?" I have 2 JS Udemy tabs open right now.

[@donutrangerr]

that has to be the brightest screen I've ever seen in my life

[@rp627]

ayyyy, the acting on this one is good... getting better maan! :D

[@natedavidoff668]

Every bootcamp graduate out there: lets use react!

[@Fanaz10]

Surprisingly he sounds more level headed than that js senior guru on this channel

[@kartikchauhan2778]

"I put some bugs that only I can fix " 😭🤣🤣

[@demonkey6997]

My favorite joke: "Mm! I don't like it"

[@goxr3plus_studio]

"I PUT A FEW BUGS ONLY I CAN FIX" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 O MY GOD I DIED.

[@LthiagoR]

You can tell he's a junior just by looking at the white screen IDE

[@icbm7]

I love that he went out and created a site for jjquery 🤣

[@junicornplays980]

I'm a bootcamp grad and wouldn't recommend it to anyone nowadays unless you really want to gain front end development knowledge fast. Back in the day it was more useful because CS courses weren't teaching up to date skills. But nowadays that information is so much more readily available and that's good because the field of Front End development moves so fast. The learning doesn't stop when you get out of Bootcamp, you really have to keep up with tutorials.

[@paulszabo8222]

"front end development" != comp sci.. nothing to do with "not teaching up to date skills"

[@junicornplays980]

@@paulszabo8222 Fair point, but that's not what I intended my comment to say. The departments produced computer scientists, the industry wanted front-end developers. That's what I meant, no insult intended.

[@fittymen1525]

On the internet a new JS framework is born every 24 hours.

[@StyleTrick]

This is the best one yet, for real lol

[@burtonl7239]

So pure.

[@sayChristIsKing]

Convincing impression of a psychopath... I mean of a self taught self made junior web developer

[@mighty_osaker]

This montage is really good

[@danielphil80]

"All languages are the same really"😂😂😂

[@nazariimuliak8432]

Well, you nailed it. It`s totally me. Especially the Udemy part. But I am developing

[@joehunterdev]

The un-ironed t-shit. I love it

[@mfdebian]

"is there a udemy tutorial for this?" lmaoooo u're killing me with this videos

[@woah284]

this hit too close to home man 😂😂

[@75hilmar]

Kai Lentit and Jack Borrough 😂

[@dannk.6735]

How do you understand the libraries if you dont know Vanilla?

[@RedCoastLab]

“All languages are the same.” lol

[@thekwoka4707]

I feel personally attacked.

[@ishanbajpai6940]

I aspire to be this guy, don't ask me why 👍🏻

[@keifer7813]

"jQuery...have you heard of it?" Lmao I've never used it myself but that's funny 😂

[@tannerbyers6729]

I'm in this video and I like it

[@leoblack8497]

I feel personally attacked

[@Angeal98]

Please enable use of youtube cuts/clips on this video

[@mvargasmoran]

I should've been "react, react, react, react"

[@JamesBoullion]

I have so many Udemy tutorials....I am now a senior JS developer

[@placedelechange]

Ahahah

[@TD-sh6wd]

what''s JJ query ? trying to search that can't find it ?

[@leoblack8497]

He's making fun of jQuery , like saying gg query since nobody uses that library anymore

[@岩男沢山]

Waiting for one about Erlang where you point out the nightmare tooling deficiencies, then mention the good tooling (zx/zomp, but also old school complex-but-honest reltool) and revert back on it all because Elixir.

[@diffuusio4852]

It is not all sun shines and rainbows in universities either. You learn a LOT of useless stuff. I studied a lot and learned a lot, but knew absolutely nothing in the end. I got even fired from my first job since I was way too slow as a developer. Looking back at that time, as far as I'm concerned I did very well given the circumstances. (I was working on Spring Boot web store back end that uses block chain the verify the authenticity of the products.)

[@mhzprayer]

I was CS in college 30yrs ago and can confirm it wasnt relevant back then either.

[@junicornplays980]

Lol, believe me you dodged a bullet with that company

[@TuriyanGold]

Remember before .pdf "Learn Javascript in 6 weeks" LMAO

[@cuervo7029]

hahahaha! I am actullay learning JS on Udemy hoping to have a job as jr web developer, Angela Yu is awesome tho! great video

[@ludo3941]

I've been loving both her 100 days of python and WebDev courses. She's amazing

[@cuervo7029]

@@ludo3941 Yes Sir

[@dras227]

"hacky?? I mean thats how programming is supposed to be" I wish maaan I wissh

[@staceyruff2966]

Am I the only developer who's never used udemy? I started learning code before there was even google so maybe that's why.

[@ivicamajmunskikreten9714]

drinking game: take a shot every time a JS dev says jQuery