Secret Life Lore Talk (Eyes And Ears AU)

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InTheLittleWood aka Martyn

InTheLittleWood aka Martyn

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@Hanna_1003
@Hanna_1003 11 ай бұрын
I love the hc where because someone built a grave for timmy(i forgot who) confused the watchers because they thought he died and when lizzy died they realized he was alive and killed him off as fast as possible
@ProfTricky3168
@ProfTricky3168 11 ай бұрын
I think Scott did
@rhinowithInternetaccess
@rhinowithInternetaccess 11 ай бұрын
​Cleo was the one to get the idea and build the grave scot just helped her ​@@ProfTricky3168
@Xelaexistsagain
@Xelaexistsagain 11 ай бұрын
@@ProfTricky3168no it was cleo
@Coyt415
@Coyt415 11 ай бұрын
The canary curse is still with him.
@ProfTricky3168
@ProfTricky3168 11 ай бұрын
@@Xelaexistsagain ah
@cjester1410
@cjester1410 11 ай бұрын
Maybe the canary curse broke because Jimmy died to the Warden, a mob which cannot see & can only listen. It could be the Listeners disrupting the Watcher's machinations again?
@eleanorflynn7772
@eleanorflynn7772 11 ай бұрын
that is such an interesting idea :o
@Tr1xxterr
@Tr1xxterr 11 ай бұрын
Ooooohh that's clever! :0
@Flanneryschickens
@Flanneryschickens 11 ай бұрын
Ooooooooh
@WizardOfDocs
@WizardOfDocs 10 ай бұрын
I like the idea that the Warden is the Listeners' creature
@teakr
@teakr 6 ай бұрын
@@WizardOfDocsyeah and the watchers have the ender dragons (hence the end of evo) and the wither. Also means that the fight between wither and warden in secret life, mirrors the fight between watchers and listeners.
@tumblebeee6833
@tumblebeee6833 11 ай бұрын
Hot take: the life series can’t end until Jimmy wins
@DJBRO2005
@DJBRO2005 11 ай бұрын
It will never end then. LOL!!!
@driftking3344
@driftking3344 10 ай бұрын
@@DJBRO2005 I have faith
@jimmyg3835
@jimmyg3835 10 ай бұрын
@@driftking3344 i dont
@DeeriusDay
@DeeriusDay 10 ай бұрын
​@@driftking3344you are one of a kind
@driftking3344
@driftking3344 10 ай бұрын
@@DeeriusDay If martin and scar can win than anybody can (Im not discrediting their win)
@AuroraRaiju
@AuroraRaiju 11 ай бұрын
I like the idea that when Martyn hit Jimmy and the gifted a heart he (intentionally or unintentionally) used what power was left over time from the limited life series to give Jimmy some of his time and mess with the canary curse. This could also explain why Jimmy came back as a ghost for a bit, potentially the watchers had to play by the rules that Jimmy had more time but they found a loophole to still influence his death. I like this because there is no telling how much the canary curse has been changed going into future seasons
@wintersnow998
@wintersnow998 11 ай бұрын
Since Gem's HC s9 x ESMP s2 lore portrays her as a world jumper who thinks everyone on Empires is just role-playing, my headcanon is that after the Watcher's substituted Cleo with her in Limited Life she got curious and stuck around, not realizing how serious the situation is. As Grian said "Gem never left the discord."
@Idran
@Idran 11 ай бұрын
Oh I love that idea? Especially with how much Gem was taken by surprise in the last couple episodes with how fast things fell apart, that would totally fit. Maybe she just outright can't leave now even, and she just didn't bother to try before.
@kaddieization
@kaddieization 11 ай бұрын
I like the idea that the warden/wither fight was representative of the Listeners and Watchers and that’s why Jimmy died right away and Grians game glitched.
@moonflower8968
@moonflower8968 11 ай бұрын
Alsoo if the watchers represent the wither then they were chasing Scar, perhaps they did this so Grian could intervene and log scar out. This focus the Watchers on Grian and he died.
@kaddieization
@kaddieization 11 ай бұрын
@@moonflower8968 Oh I like that. I hadn’t even considered how Scar running away and Grian telling him to log out could be part of the fight.
@theoryquery
@theoryquery 11 ай бұрын
If the warden is the listeners (no eyes but good hearing), the wither being the watchers make a lot of sense. 3 heads of the wither for 3 watchers (including Grian).
@moonflower8968
@moonflower8968 11 ай бұрын
@@theoryquery maybe the watchers was mad at Grian for letting the Listeners get two deaths.
@citra1885
@citra1885 11 ай бұрын
​@@moonflower8968 WHY DID IT ALIGN SO PERFECTLY???
@happycreeper9817
@happycreeper9817 11 ай бұрын
28:42 This is actually a good story point: Gem or Impulse were 100% on track to win until Grian set up that tnt minecart trap at their portal and took 40 hearts from gem and 20 from Scott and impulse. Thats really what turned the tide.
@stikboi2115
@stikboi2115 11 ай бұрын
It intrigues me how so many people like Grian and Martyn are just saying “next season” as oppose to the end of limited life where he said stuff like “if there is a next season” make me see promise in the fact that they already have a gimmick prepared or at least in the works already
@rudrodeepchatterjee
@rudrodeepchatterjee 11 ай бұрын
In his meme reaction vod, Martyn explained that it's all on Grian and he just approaches with new ideas when he feels like it's time for a new season, and he has an idea prepared.
@dangerousdoodle2410
@dangerousdoodle2410 11 ай бұрын
i heard someone say in a live once when talking about burn out that limited life was what caused the most burnout, and secret life the least. that if they ever were fo repeat a gimmick itd be secret life bc it was just that fun. so that might be why too, it could be limited life was just really tiring for everyone
@enkays_den
@enkays_den 11 ай бұрын
​@@dangerousdoodle2410 limited life placed a bigger weight on the boogeyman and the least weight on death numbers, which is kind of unproductive for this show format specifically
@poppyseed799
@poppyseed799 11 ай бұрын
I honestly think it’s because they made a merch store for it lol, they’re like “kind of weird to sell merch only at the last season let’s do another some time” I don’t think Grian has a gimmick planned but he knows he wants to make one
@masonjar213_
@masonjar213_ 11 ай бұрын
Yeah after limited life ended I remember grian saying he had a couple ideas in the works. I’m sure he’s expanding on another idea he had for the next season
@Rennothy
@Rennothy 11 ай бұрын
If the watchers want the Canary curse to happen that means Scott unintentionally messed up their plans again. Lizzie feel into the void because she was too focused on trying to kill him to notice there was an enderman on her until it knocked her off the island
@Eclipsedcassowary
@Eclipsedcassowary 11 ай бұрын
People thought skizzleman had a problem with Scar. Martyn just created an au where he suffered a fate worse than death lol
@amebadea4789
@amebadea4789 11 күн бұрын
wdym by that?
@myacewall123
@myacewall123 11 ай бұрын
I like the idea that the listeners threw off the watchers with Jimmys funeral, Love the watchers punishing Jimmy as a result (out of anger)
@fishor6527
@fishor6527 11 ай бұрын
i had my own headcannon for the reason reds got continuous tasks and its just "ain't no rest for the wicked" 🤣
@citra1885
@citra1885 11 ай бұрын
I am stealing this headcanon this is too good to be passed by!
@jonlawson9394
@jonlawson9394 11 ай бұрын
I just thought of a cool idea, when Grian and Etho had to make the warden and wither fight. A monster who can only listen and a monster with six eyes fighting could be symbolic of the Watchers vs the Listeners. Also, three heads of the wither and their being three watchers. IDK might be a cool idea. Also a fledgling Watcher could be called a Viewer kind of like a throwback to the original lore of the watchers as the people who watch these videos, IDK interesting idea.
@mathewmallon7208
@mathewmallon7208 11 ай бұрын
Apparently Grian said (at seasons start) that Gem never left the discord (partially as a joke)
@Duwahkeen
@Duwahkeen 11 ай бұрын
I'm surprised the BDubs dragon kill wasn't touched on. Would be neat if there was lore around that
@sglenny001
@sglenny001 10 ай бұрын
My thoughts bdubs represents the legends of the mythology and is the building with bdubs is around the civilizations that were built around his tale For the brother crimson bridge was the unity of the buildings a society of hope and the brothers were the unity of Hope and Glory
@Anticaat
@Anticaat 10 ай бұрын
TBC 7:06 The LORE so far... 12:00 Speak, Hear, See No Evil 18:00 Canary Curse 23:00 Watcher’s Control 26:06 Scott’s Blessing 29:24 Grian’s Button Pressing aka that weird Glitch 31:28 The Familiar Logo 34:43 Secret Life Ghost, the boy, Timmy 37:24 What’s a Secret Keeper? 39:14 Scar and his Fate 41:00 Secret Life Winner 43:25 The New Player 56:07 The Apocalypse 59:57 Previous Players and the Void Pocket 1:01:34 Watchers and the Watcher 1:03:00 The Murder of Torchy 1:04:23 Taurtis’s Evo, Disappeared 1:08:10 Exposed Confession (tumblr lmao) 1:09:00 The Middle Realm aka Power Struggle of the Watchers 1:13:34 Watcher Feeding 1:14:48 Fragments aka Martyn LORE 1:18:47 Data Stream LORE 1:23:29 The Winners Theme 1:25:10 Most Mysterious, BigB 1:27:13 Fragments of Other Players 1:30:05 Ghost Mode 1:31:06 Canon Curses (Canary, Icarus(?) 1:34:18 Petty Watchers 1:36:15 The LORE Document 1:39:40 Facade of the Watchers 1:49:00 His Own Story 1:50:49 Watcher Feedings v2 aka Hungry Pesky Bird (Check out Hunger AU) 1:52:22 Scar and the Watchers 1:54:19 Plain ol’ Watcher Shenanegans 1:55:08 BigB Big Sus 1:57:00 Pearl’s Evo, Jumped from the Moon 1:59:17 Property Police & Paw Patrol 2:01:46 LORE keeps cooking 2:09:15 Unconscious Fragments 2:16:00 Keeping the Emotions & Memories 2:16:47 Attention of Watchers aka Sonder
@emwesner9593
@emwesner9593 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!!
@aredboxnation
@aredboxnation 19 сағат бұрын
Thanks so much!
@bellas486
@bellas486 11 ай бұрын
Thematically earth is perfect for scar. A lot of people say mercury because Hermes is a messenger, a liar, salesman, and trickster as well as being closest to the sun, but earth is even more so. People don’t realise that scar isn’t just linked to grain, but also pearl. Scar was there when both the sun and moon ‘set’ (fell off a cliff) just as earth sees the night and day cycle round. In this series he is LITERALLY humanity. He is evil, whether by his own means or means beyond his control, and yet he desperately wants connection only to end up alone. What better to represent humanity than ‘the guy with no friends’. And yes there is Pluto and eclipse but I feel as though Pluto is not befitting of scar being mysterious or lost, he is the centre of attention here. As for eclipse, it’s not a celestial body, but earth is the place where we see the most significant eclipse of the sun and moon. Just as the sun provides for earth, Grian was the reason gem and the Scott’s were drastically weaker. Meanwhile the moon is equally as important, just as pearl was willing to provide for scar despite being friends with gem, like how the moon gravitates towards earth. Everything just lines up perfectly. Although a lot of people are pushing for mercury for the desert duo, it’s very grian-centric in nature and feels like they’re forgetting how close scar and pearl are
@eleanorflynn7772
@eleanorflynn7772 11 ай бұрын
this has converted me from a pluto believer to an Earth believer
@SeaweedBrain_18
@SeaweedBrain_18 11 ай бұрын
With scar killing pearl, (fell off a cliff) and grian telling scar he won, its simulates the sun rising as the moon goes away, the sun being grian and Pearl being the moon. Scar being the earth makes this perfect. Also I really love the scar and Pearl duo it’s been eating up my brain for the past few days oh my god
@pinkajou656
@pinkajou656 11 ай бұрын
Plus scar’s just kinda earth-themed already, with all the plants and the flowers and the terraforming
@ratxentherat
@ratxentherat 11 ай бұрын
i was thinking the eclipse because its a mix of botht eh sun and the moon but honestly the earth does sound a lot better
@kaddieization
@kaddieization 11 ай бұрын
@@pinkajou656 That’s what I was thinking! It also feels like in many seasons he focuses on nature like the pandas in double life or creating a sunflower valley in secret life.
@arti2074
@arti2074 11 ай бұрын
an interesting idea with gem was that she just didnt want to leave and managed to get into secret life against the watcher's will. so then the watchers decided to make life hard for her with the zombie apocalypse task grian did say at the start that she just didnt leave the discord
@MoonyFBM
@MoonyFBM 11 ай бұрын
Just connected it: I like the idea that it's the watchers that give out the secret tasks; bc the watchers were initially the audience, and y'all asked the audience to give secret task ideas. It makes sense!
@sglenny001
@sglenny001 10 ай бұрын
I see the secret keeper more as gateway as watchers cant meet in the ganes yet they use the keeper as messenger
@kaddieization
@kaddieization 11 ай бұрын
Scar being stuck in a death loop reminds me of his artifact in decked out.
@c-girl1216
@c-girl1216 11 ай бұрын
The titles I personally like are Grian - Sun Scott - Stars Pearl - Moon Martyn - Mars Scar - Earth The reason I think Scar is Earth is because of his skin being a green grass cloak with flowers and his red skin being black and red like a newly formed planet. I also find him allying with the Mounders predominantly during the finale just adds to that Earth connection.
@duckygamer0615
@duckygamer0615 11 ай бұрын
He’s also REALLY good at terraforming in Hermitcraft so it fits insanely well!
@ratxentherat
@ratxentherat 11 ай бұрын
i was thinking an eclipse because they look cool
@IsabelleChalmers
@IsabelleChalmers 11 ай бұрын
I also love Martyn as mars because when he won he was all about the battle and Ares, Greek god of the brutal side of war was kinda transformed into Mars through Rome
@ratxentherat
@ratxentherat 11 ай бұрын
@@IsabelleChalmers then again thats only the end, not really focused on the rest of the season
@LadyValishade
@LadyValishade 11 ай бұрын
My favorite thing about this is like we're collectively writing a cool fanfiction together. Love it.
@let2367
@let2367 11 ай бұрын
3:43 end of loading screen, talking starts
@jaideepshekhar4621
@jaideepshekhar4621 9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@lalalaLelis
@lalalaLelis 11 ай бұрын
Scar was the unexpected underdog ❤ never expected him to slay so many ppl and be so slick about it.
@ProfTricky3168
@ProfTricky3168 11 ай бұрын
The Tango kill was ice cold
@Cerulean13
@Cerulean13 11 ай бұрын
YESSS also when getting chased by the wither for a good 10+ minutes, he only lost like 2 hearts scar is heavily underrated, absolute king!!
@fearfulfablesandfairytales255
@fearfulfablesandfairytales255 11 ай бұрын
Scar is so overlooked. He is really really good at the game. He just hides it with the chaos and seeming like he has no idea what's going on.
@LordMagden
@LordMagden 11 ай бұрын
I think scar is only trapped in that world until he rerolls for a harder task
@kaddieization
@kaddieization 11 ай бұрын
Ooooo that’s a good idea
@crabstervs
@crabstervs 11 ай бұрын
Scar have been pushing the button he then tried to roll for hard the hard task is: Win Secret Life, he then press failed button but because he is red he gain another task Win Secret Life.
@RobbertHalflung
@RobbertHalflung 11 ай бұрын
I feel like the Scott's blessing still went strong, since Scott and Scar actually made a deal about allyship, but Scar just accidentally, maybe caused by the listeners, found himself on the other side of the fight
@FineSeasoning
@FineSeasoning 10 ай бұрын
nah Scar, (although reluctantly,) joined the mounders on his own accord, atleast to me.
@logandoesthingss
@logandoesthingss 11 ай бұрын
I forgot who said it but for Grian, he could be called a “runaway watcher” Witch is kinda cliché, but it works wonderfully and sounds cool.
@IsabelleChalmers
@IsabelleChalmers 11 ай бұрын
I like to think the watchers made Scar slightly insane and it was only until the end the he had a friend (Pearl, another insane one) but then the watchers then made him kill her just to make him that little bit more mad and feel that little bit more lonely.
@koo2463
@koo2463 11 ай бұрын
The one i like the most of what i have seen is. Grian - Sun Scott - Star Pearl - Moon Martyn - Comet Scar - Earth
@BewareTheGoose
@BewareTheGoose 11 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@silvertheghost
@silvertheghost 11 ай бұрын
I thought Martyn was the sea because of the whole mean gills in the season he won in. I'd love to hear the explanation for the Comet though it seams cool.
@TruMysh
@TruMysh 11 ай бұрын
@@silvertheghostI thought someone said he was Mars
@koo2463
@koo2463 11 ай бұрын
@@silvertheghost i dont really know where it came from, i read it before and i just thought it fit Martyn. i dont remeber the explonation for it.
@silvertheghost
@silvertheghost 11 ай бұрын
@@koo2463 Fair, I like the celestial body stuff but I always imagined it as the place the ghosts are that justs gets added to with each winner. Slowly becoming more liveable as the seasons go on.
@icarushasfallen8986
@icarushasfallen8986 11 ай бұрын
My headcannon is that the canary curse is still in place. Because part of the canaries dying means death and chaos is to come. Jimmy's death signals chaos coming to the server.
@icarushasfallen8986
@icarushasfallen8986 11 ай бұрын
Things started getting hectic in secret life after Jimmy died.
@DoomsdayDaisy
@DoomsdayDaisy 11 ай бұрын
I've seen a lot of people say that Scar is Pluto - the planet left out, alone, just like Scar was in Secret life.
@ianriccillo3806
@ianriccillo3806 11 ай бұрын
Scar as earth is so perfect; began as generous and wanted to do good, but was poisoned and twisted into the evil it took to win
@mathewmallon7208
@mathewmallon7208 11 ай бұрын
When it comes to fragments, Grian lack of fragment is due to him being a (renegade) watcher. Also the double life fragment has to be on/near the heart due to the soulbound mechanic (Scott's double life fragment might be less noticeable/shallower due to being linked to champion Pearl)
@shatteredglass7188
@shatteredglass7188 11 ай бұрын
Regarding the canary curse I like to think that when Jimmy killed Lizzie he temporarily passed the curse onto her and since she was invisible the watchers didn’t realize it until it was too late.
@gettherapyyanerd
@gettherapyyanerd 10 ай бұрын
I actually like the winners as sort of tarot cards. The main three are still the three tarot cards so Grian as the sun. Scott as the star. Pearl as the moon. Then for Martyn hes the world And Scar is the fool. It all has it’s own meanings as well Which I’ll list below Grian - The Sun (Being a light to others and giving strength to others.) as according to Martyn’s lore he came into the game to make people happy and get rid of negative emotions as a screw you to the watchers Smajor (Scott) - The Star (Being a light to others and giving a lot of love to others.) Almost every winner has been allied with him in some way so he was a light to them essentially and he had a tendency to be kind to others even if they’ve tried to kill him (like Lizzie in secret life) PearlescentMoon- The Moon (Having the right answer but being confused as where to look for them.) As Pearl had been struggling through her whole series without really going into a direction. Things got worse where she finally set her sights on a goal But that goal was revenge and it only ended up stinging her. InTheLittleWood (Martyn) - The World (Completion. Things coming full circle and reaping a very big reward.) Martyn mentioned that he had been wanting to betray Scott for a very long time throughout limited life and finally being able to do that in the fínale gave him a big reward which was winning limited life And finally GoodTimesWithScar - The Fool (taking a risk and having new beginnings) Scar would always take a risk in every series. Also with him being incredibly careless he’s always jumping in to risky territory like with his alliances and the fact that knowing his tasks would give him enemies he did so anyway. New beginnings symbolize how he finally gained allies in the mounders But ended up killing pearl to win. I have every person in the life series as a certain tarot card and a reason for what they are so if anyone’s interested I can talk about what I think everyone else is
@EmiBarker
@EmiBarker 10 ай бұрын
Oh this is cool I've never seen someone think like this! It's Amazing
@insertaccountname4209
@insertaccountname4209 11 ай бұрын
I think the reason ppl have having a hard time picking your thing is bc so many ppl are on either Mars vs. Comet, its a good split. Im on comet personally bc i feel like if Joel wins he'd be great fit for mars, and comet from explainations ive heard fit your limited life win very well.
@KodaCreatez
@KodaCreatez 11 ай бұрын
Scar being left behind unable to die got my brain turning and made me come up with a few lyrics for a song here are some of my favourites The Sun graces the days but his scheming does not The Moon lights the night but her smlies unseen The Stars can be seen but his compassion is not The Commet streaks past silence in his wake rather than the familiar song of his laughter The Earth left alone on the fifth throne no-one can hear him no-one can see him Has it been Seventeen Days or Seventeen Months?
@lolohno2361
@lolohno2361 10 ай бұрын
Holy cow this is cool!!!!!!!!
@moonflower8968
@moonflower8968 11 ай бұрын
I throught it was interesting how Scar killed Etho then Cleo, both Grians teammates then moments later Grian dies. Scar then reacts to it as if he felt something. Its funny how Grian always lives longer then Scar but this time was different and i shows that the watchers had pick a favourite to win and didn't care about anyone else.
@technicallymonochrome
@technicallymonochrome 11 ай бұрын
1:12:00 mark Grian was also the only one who didn't have a jump-in but was AFK instead in Limited Life/the life series
@kiri_fox
@kiri_fox 11 ай бұрын
Imagine if like Readers if they would be a thing. They would be creatures that are aware of all the different AUs connected to hermitcraft, empires, the life series, and other SMPs that are connected to it.
@kiri_fox
@kiri_fox 11 ай бұрын
Ps: The Watchers and Listelers and all of those creatures I like to refer to them as just Celestials or Celestial beings. Just an idea for that.
@citra1885
@citra1885 11 ай бұрын
Maybe they lived in a giant library that is nowhere and everywhere, where in the book lies the story of a different world, different realities and different end.
@kiri_fox
@kiri_fox 11 ай бұрын
That's a good idea.
@screm5514
@screm5514 11 ай бұрын
(Us, its us)
@loreteller.
@loreteller. 5 ай бұрын
Pretty late (sorry!) but I can imagine them looking kinda like the Seekers from Skyrim's Dragonborn DLC, just these strange beasts guarding otherworldly libraries that stretch on for as long as time itself, tracking every event-even all the possible choices of all the possible futures-with keen detail (and now I must *_draw)_*
@Ehiyrryrd
@Ehiyrryrd 11 ай бұрын
Do you think its possible for scar to become/be influenced by the Speakers when they are implemented into the story? Because of his charisma and the unique end to secret life (and the connection hes had not only to grian, but now pearl which is two members of evo), i think it could be interesting, even if hes something like a figure head or (please laugh here) a spokesperson. His whole finale episode had a really unique and almost strange air to it with how he behaved and the blood lust really, could be fun to mess around with the games having some sort of lasting influence on him
@green-legacy
@green-legacy 11 ай бұрын
scott and scar have never killed eachother which is hilarious 😅
@AetosofValla
@AetosofValla 11 ай бұрын
we go off winners i personally liked: Grian - sun, Scott - Stars, Pearl Moon, Martyn - Mars...Scar i'm actually good with either Earth or Eclipse, leaning more toward Eclipse.
@TheMrFisherman
@TheMrFisherman 11 ай бұрын
Canery curse solution, when Timmy killed Lizzy he pased the curse or a part of it at least
@Luv.Amaliia
@Luv.Amaliia 11 ай бұрын
I Like the idea that the speakers are the players who are not taking part in the games for that certain season but do embody another character for a certain amount of time acting as them whilst trying not to get caught as they view the games from another’s perspective.
@LavenderTownsGhost
@LavenderTownsGhost 11 ай бұрын
Since the Watcher lore relates to the Data Stream lore, i wonder if the Watchers being this sort of overseer has any relation to Data Stream's Doc watching C!Martyn?
@Dusty_Starlight
@Dusty_Starlight 11 ай бұрын
the on-going theory I have for the life series is that each of the victors are representative of a Watcher's poem or something of the sort because the Watcher's like to rhyme and in EVO they only spoke in rhyme, and the current poem or anecdote that I have haphazardly put together goes a little something like this Of the Sun, Stars, Moon, and Mars, all of which bear many Scars. This is my current theory at the moment.
@koo2463
@koo2463 11 ай бұрын
what if the canary curse being rippled with by the watchers, maybe the wacthers found away to dissrupt Scott blessing to. making the two thing in a way cancel each other.
@KodaCreatez
@KodaCreatez 11 ай бұрын
I mean technically the secondary effects of both the curse and blessing The Canary Curse also makes Jimmy's Allies die earlier than usual Whilst Scott's Blessing makes Scott's Allies survive longer than usual
@green-legacy
@green-legacy 11 ай бұрын
i do like that every other season martyn does so much lore just incase he would win then secret life its like the watchers left him alone with all his big dogs falling and eventually him
@Hxldaedits
@Hxldaedits 11 ай бұрын
I wanna know how Martyn's mind works this is so cool
@theoryquery
@theoryquery 11 ай бұрын
Theory: The war between the watchers and the listeners is tighter than ever! The watchers bring in Gem. The Listeners corrupt the Secret Keepet to give easier tasks and give rewards for successful tasks. The Listeners have Grian let Scar reroll his task. The Watchers make Scar a villian. The Listeners influence Gem through the end portal to let BigB succeed in killing the dragon. The Watchers make Gem a zombie and Scar an even worse villian. The Listeners disrupt the Canary Curse. The Watchers bring Jimmy back to further his suffering. The Listeners corrupt it, so he is guardian angel and watch out for Grian. Scar wins despite everything, and the Watchers keep him out of the void to tear him down.
@azetac_
@azetac_ 11 ай бұрын
Slight correction, but BDubs killed the dragon, not BigB
@green-legacy
@green-legacy 11 ай бұрын
when something bad or truly rule breaking happens the players who does it always seems to get punished in some way
@DJBRO2005
@DJBRO2005 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, scar was punished with winning LOL
@green-legacy
@green-legacy 11 ай бұрын
@@DJBRO2005 yep and he was the villain
@kaddieization
@kaddieization 11 ай бұрын
I’d like to suggest The Descried as a potential name for the watcher/listener entities. It’s not completely accurate as it’s past tense but I think it sounds mysterious enough to make up for it.
@sophiacartier8941
@sophiacartier8941 11 ай бұрын
Personally I go by: Grain - Sun Scott - Stars Pearl - Moon Martin - Mars Scar - Pluto
@TheChannelOfDR
@TheChannelOfDR 11 ай бұрын
But see, that's mixing in celestial bodies and specific planets in our system
@vee..1
@vee..1 11 ай бұрын
Yes
@Thatsittingooddoggo
@Thatsittingooddoggo 11 ай бұрын
I would think scar is a eclipse
@ratxentherat
@ratxentherat 11 ай бұрын
@@Thatsittingooddoggo YES
@quivercat6911
@quivercat6911 11 ай бұрын
i had to rewatch this because i left mid-way, but i really liked the stream. gonna see if all of my questions got noticed or worked out :)
@ozelhassan8576
@ozelhassan8576 11 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed Secret Life, Thanks for the fun. 👍👍
@stevecook1190
@stevecook1190 11 ай бұрын
The ones who invested in the big dogs were the ones that saw the 'tail' and heard the origin story - therefore the fracture should be a tail :)
@WizardOfDocs
@WizardOfDocs 10 ай бұрын
The Watchers don't like to mess with memories, because memories create trauma. At some point they'll realize making players forget a bunch and then suddenly remember all at once creates a whole lot of negative emotion at once, and *then* we're screwed.
@malknight4197
@malknight4197 11 ай бұрын
grians influence on last ife: boogey, chaotic but survivable, (idk this ones the hardest to find connections) scotts influence on double life: teamwork, alliance, communication pearls influence on limited life: chaos. Pure chaos. 5 am pearl as a life series basically martyns influence on secret life: sneaky boi, secrecy, pvp skill matters much more bc it's not just that u have to win the fight, u also have to not take as much dmg, (uhc aspect not so much but yeah)
@stevecook1190
@stevecook1190 11 ай бұрын
You are a fantastic dm - the lore make much more sense now - on a personal note I rooted for Scar the whole way and believe he has a bigger role to play in future games - they thrive on disruption and he can bring it for them
@mayaober7777
@mayaober7777 11 ай бұрын
7:15 is Grian inadvertently the reason the Watch/listener conflict started?
@sezzabezza5994
@sezzabezza5994 11 ай бұрын
Ren embodied Tango this season, Gem and LDShadowlady embodied Zombie Cleo and Pearl last season. (Gem and LDShadowlady then were in this season). - I find this interesting
@OCS_Studios
@OCS_Studios 11 ай бұрын
I like to think that once there’s a winner they become a speaker that is a part of the watcher and stuff but still are lower in rank and forced to continue to play the game as some sort of punishment for winning.
@hewumajer
@hewumajer 11 ай бұрын
I really hope we get to see more Last Life style lore in the future. The watcher storyline has inspired me to make my own storylines in my own videos, I absolutely love it.
@kaikalter
@kaikalter 11 ай бұрын
Couldn't the watcher/listeners/speakers/the council/Grian just be called "The Sensors"
@Shaun_3114
@Shaun_3114 11 ай бұрын
In the even HC seasons, new members are always added. Martyn would be a great fit.
@Idran
@Idran 11 ай бұрын
There isn't really a pattern to new members like that? The server added people in seasons 1, 3, and 5 too. (Plus it's probably worth mentioning that Hypno, Beef, and Etho all came back in season 7, though they were all almost definitely still on the whitelist so that doesn't really count.) New members are added whenever someone suggests someone and everyone else votes unanimously to invite them, not by any sort of pattern. It all depends on if they think they need more people or not.
@Shaun_3114
@Shaun_3114 11 ай бұрын
@@Idran I've only been watching since S7 & watched Grian's S6 after and know Scar joined S4 & Mumbo S2 so I was under the impression that it was evens. Thanks for the info. Still think to celebrate TEN SEASONS a new member or 2 would be a good way to do that.
@loganhill2771
@loganhill2771 11 ай бұрын
I am loving watching this because I am building a dnd world kinda for fun but hopefully to play as a dm one day and you are one of my big inspirations because of your lore
@SharpScales
@SharpScales 11 ай бұрын
What I'm using: Grian: Sun Scott: Stars Pearl: Moon Martyn: Comet Scar: Eclipse or Nebula
@MakaeaHepi
@MakaeaHepi 11 ай бұрын
The ones that I like: Grian - Sun Scott - Stars Pearl - Moon Martyn - Space (because space & time/stars are in space) Scar - Eclipse (A combination of the sun and moon for his teaming with Grian and pearl)
@ratxentherat
@ratxentherat 11 ай бұрын
yess
@lucaswatts2141
@lucaswatts2141 11 ай бұрын
Headcannon gem was destined to win but something something grian there's lore there somewhere
@scotsraven1990
@scotsraven1990 11 ай бұрын
Scar is the Void. the darkness ever present but totally unknowable.
@OllieVRGT
@OllieVRGT 11 ай бұрын
i like to think that in session 6 ethos warden represents the listeners (as wardens only listen) and grians wither represents the watchers (as withers watch from above) and the fact that grian died to the warden could be the listeners trying to kill grian thinking hes still with the watchers
@lisahenry20
@lisahenry20 11 ай бұрын
Didn't grian die to the wither?
@angellyrics5395
@angellyrics5395 10 ай бұрын
I think Scott would have fragments on both legs-under knees more significant on the feet- from him blowing up him and Pearl, it was such an iconic moment after all they been threw during double life.
@defxswords
@defxswords 11 ай бұрын
Personally I always thought Scott was a watcher, or maybe even a listener, thats why his Ally's always won
@Darkness_consums_all
@Darkness_consums_all 3 ай бұрын
I think Scott could be an undercover listener because yeah, his allies always win and he constantly rebels to mess with the watchers
@kaddieization
@kaddieization 11 ай бұрын
Scar being Earth seems the best to me.
@theoryquery
@theoryquery 11 ай бұрын
If the secret keeper structure was made by the listeners, maybe the items given were from the listeners. With each successful task, the players gain health to stave off the death in the watchers' game, and gain resources to ease their lives. Maybe the listeners were even trying to give enough resources for the players to make their own escape.
@Idran
@Idran 11 ай бұрын
Hmm. I can kinda see that, but how would that fit with the red names getting constant tasks and rewards for causing harm to others?
@rianorixalaunana357
@rianorixalaunana357 11 ай бұрын
@@Idran Going with this theory, the red lives get tasks the way they do because the Watchers twisted them.
@izzysVids.
@izzysVids. 11 ай бұрын
I go by: Grian: Sun Scott: Star Pearl: Moon Martyn: sea Scar: earth/eclipse
@k-bot187
@k-bot187 10 ай бұрын
2:14:47 the watchers specifically chose Mumbo to mess with Grian hahah!
@green-legacy
@green-legacy 11 ай бұрын
what if gem was always cleos alter ego which was split because she is the strong fighter side of cleo which is why cleo isn’t
@elisab5432
@elisab5432 11 ай бұрын
I have decided that grian led the watchers to attack EVO by singing "the call" by 2WEI, causing more trauma. However, I feel like he granted the ability to remember each game to impulse, scar, and tango, told them he was former EVO admin, told them the truth about why he attacked the server, how he became the head watcher Diamond, and them taught them the song, so hearing this song reminds the EVO players about their trauma, and hearing the group singing in front of the secret keeper just seems like it would anger and confuse Jimmy, pearl, scott and Martin. Flowers bloom as blood dries on the shores of cherry leaves Hackles raise as reds arise, bound by blood to fight to survive Water sees the end of them, bound by nature to watch again Create, if you must, you dear young seeers, for there is more to see Diamond reins, he watches still, from the sky he is amused, smiles at his foes trials Watch the ground, your heart pounds, Watch the fall as we call - Star 6th Council member, Age: unknown True name: unknown Rank: council Symbols: Grian: sun Scott: star Pearl: moon Martin: comet Scar: eclipse (If you read this far I'm impressed, note this is my own lore and only partially using small pieces of Martin's lore to supplement, Martin, if you read this, thank you for taking the time to do so)
@jimmyg3835
@jimmyg3835 10 ай бұрын
i cant put into worlds how fitting it is for scar to be traped in a death loop
@crvpt..x
@crvpt..x Ай бұрын
I’m not sure of it’s official name, I’m pretty sure it’s the miners canary curse or something like that. Every season mumbo has been apart of, he’s gone out only minutes after jimmy, it states that he has a connection with the canary curse and follows jimmy into death
@PaulArmstrong-qs3tj
@PaulArmstrong-qs3tj 11 ай бұрын
My theory is that everything if there is another season it will be chaos because canary’s die from gas in the mines but they can’t tell when the whole mine is about to collapse
@Closetgremlin86
@Closetgremlin86 11 ай бұрын
My head cannons: Grian getting stuck in the weird in between state when. Trying to press the button was the listeners trying to pull him fro, the games (Maybe Grian specifically bc he is also trying to stop them or maybe that’s just a coincidence), the watchers caught them and put him back in. With the player swaps, I like the idea that they are kind of trialing new players, they tried out gem to see how she would do in the series, tried lizzie to see if she was ready to re-enter the next games again, and just recently they tried Ren to see if he had healed yet.
@duskashxx
@duskashxx 4 ай бұрын
I imagine that after the canary curse was broken (I am convinced it was a wobble and the curse is still in place) Jimmy's wings that he is often portrayed with were frayed and broken, to signify the curse being broken
@ezpies_ghost
@ezpies_ghost 11 ай бұрын
Imagine: The void is the watcher’s toy box
@duskashxx
@duskashxx 4 ай бұрын
Other curses include Tango's curse where he has really anti-climatic permadeaths (we need a name for this), and Joel's where he goes insane every time he turns red (we need a name for this too, Crimson Curse?)
@jillprowant8703
@jillprowant8703 10 ай бұрын
55min mark talking about Gem. I like the idea that Gem was brought in to alleviate Cleo, and Lizzie brought in to alleviate Pearl.... the two from the death match from Double life, since Martyn was fighting Scott.
@theBumblingBudgie
@theBumblingBudgie 11 ай бұрын
After listening to all the lore i am desperate for a 20 book series from everyones perspective of all five seasons. Like dramatic, huger games styal, to see the thoughts of the "characters" specifically Grian, think of how crazy it would be to be the only one awear of this perpetual death loop and seeing your friends stuck in it, knowing thats theres really nothing you can do, the angst! But really id eat something like that up, the heartbreak, betryal, grief of the charaters it a way that can be taken out of the context of minecraft, something i can obsess over with friends who dont watch minecraft youtubers but can still enjoy the story as a whole. That would be the best book series in the world hands down.
@alexfrye8637
@alexfrye8637 7 ай бұрын
I know this is late but I like the idea that the keeper is a bound speaker controlled by the watchers
@zac8246
@zac8246 4 ай бұрын
ooohhh, I love this!! Maybe the watcher emblem on the Secret Keeper's face is a brand of sorts, that they were given when they were captured to mark them as the 'property' of the watchers.
@_TheLuckyGoat_
@_TheLuckyGoat_ 11 ай бұрын
That was deep talk right there xD
@orionsbelt25
@orionsbelt25 11 ай бұрын
With regards to other player fragments, I've a couple ideas for specifically BigB's Last Life fragment. Either on the mouth (didn't tell his alliance about being boogeyman which lead to a whole situation) or on the chest (from Lizzie killing him, sort of symbolically showing that his nice tidy alliance had properly fallen to pieces)
@aromantism
@aromantism 11 ай бұрын
I go by : Grian - sun Scott - stars Pearl - moon Martyn - Mars Scar - Mercury
@skittay
@skittay 11 ай бұрын
putting scar in a psychological horror
@ShadowedSky
@ShadowedSky 10 ай бұрын
I like to think Scar has to forever wait in the world without a way out. Death doesn’t work, rerolling doesn’t work and he has to wait for the next series to start. But because he doesn’t have the “unconscious” state the other members have to recover, he’ll join the next series and be unstable and unhinged
@Darkness_consums_all
@Darkness_consums_all 3 ай бұрын
It’s either that or the watchers keep them there to get as much negative emotion as possible until he becomes numb and then they put him into the unconscious state, but he will get less healing time than the others so your point of him being more unstable and unhinged is very neat detail
@eddog6666
@eddog6666 11 ай бұрын
I don’t think anyone expected scar to win the season he was just as surprised as the fans. The life series must continue since Jimmy broke the curse, gem got involved and scar doing the impossible win although he did that epic water bucket clutch in double life. I think that’s the only time I have ever seen tango be so surprised by something that he doesn’t speak for a while.
@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275
@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275 10 ай бұрын
I like to call Grian an "Actor" after betraying/going against the Watchers. The Watchers watch and try not to interact. The Listeners are trying to go against the Watchers. Grian is neither and is _actively_ with the players and pretending to be a normal player. He's Acting. Especially since he's actually the one setting up these games and having everyone fight
@LightHere7
@LightHere7 11 ай бұрын
When watching this as a vod, i think i have a theory linking in a couple things. With the chaos that insued in session 6, with Grian (and etho, but that doesnt really link in) being responsible for both of mumbo's deaths and timmy's final death, Grian's 'watcher powers' glitched him out because he lost control of them, in what i headcannon as "Grians Guilt", with the entire concept being "Was my task actually succesful?". Later in session 8, with ghost timmy, i also thought that Grian felt so guilty that he again lost control of his 'watcher powers' and changed the task so he could talk to timmy again. God it would be awkward if none of this makes sense
@justish2066
@justish2066 11 ай бұрын
i’m a fan of, of course grian the sun scott the stars pearl the moon and then we get to; martyn, the hand (non-celestial and non-tarot, i know, but it makes the most sense to me. i do like the rhyming of ‘mars’, and i’ve also seen ‘the sea’, but ‘the hand’ is my favourite. i also wouldn’t mind ‘the spring’) scar, the eclipse (i also like the earth AND the black hole, it’s still early days. but scar never left that desert (as shown in his skin), and his parallels to dlpearl are so… strong/present. so i’m sticking with eclipse for now because that’s a combination of the sun and the moon.)
@elizabeatrice7120
@elizabeatrice7120 10 ай бұрын
Can we just like, have all the people have single syllable winner names? Sorry, but my brain screams in agony whenever I see “comet”, because it doesn’t suite the others. The sea is also really cool, near unpredictable, can be your friend and help, but at a seconds notice will turn around and kill you. If Martyn is going to be described as a loose cannon, then him being the sea makes the most sense. Also the winner names should be able to have “the” before them. We have “the sun” “the stars” “the moon”, and then Martyn’s just chilling. If he were to be Mars, you can’t put “the” before it, and if were to be a comet, a) “the” is really clunky and just doesn’t work well, and b) it’s two syllables. I’m so sorry, my reasoning probably makes absolutely no sense, but if it does, please consider it.
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