Introducing CK3 - Vassals

[@ParadoxGrandStrategy]

Favorite vassal tier to play with? Comment below!

[@owenhunt6548]

Definitely dukes!

[@rogerreyne1877]

none

[@xxxtentictac2727]

definitely dukes

[@Haystify]

Double Duke who really controls the king and kingdom.

[@lilbill758]

Count, so I can fight and scheme my way to the top!

[@LuizOtavioZen]

I was once talking with a friend who didn't knew CK2 and said without giving a thought "I just sold my daughter to France, so my son will just stop pestering me for more land" "What the hell are you playing?" "you know CK2" "You just sold you daughter? To your son?" "Yes our bloodline shall remain pure" "You have issues my dude" "I have an empire" Can't wait to talk with her about my CK3 shenanigans

[@lordkenten4136]

A true Crusader King!

[@LuizOtavioZen]

@@lordkenten4136 Man I'm gonna get her CK3, pretty sure she will go the deep end.

[@IsilionNELE]

You sold your daughter? I just had a flood and decided to let my 10 year old son drown so I could save my riches instead. I have other, better sons, so whatever.

[@LuizOtavioZen]

@@IsilionNELE Yeah, i mean i could always get more daughters but that golden throne was not going to build it self from love would it?

[@Areldil]

Lol, wonder if we'll be able to have the king of england as a vassal of the king of france.

[@ruoyufang9450]

“The secret to a long reign is to disposing of everyone who doesn't like you.” By SsethTzeentach.

[@KY_100]

based

[@yoloswagtron6920]

The Merchant's Guild sends it's regards

[@winterweasel425]

hey hey people.

[@yarikachi]

How do you imprison your duke without getting tyrant and without oher duchies in my realm joining him?

[@Ivan-qf4mt]

@@yarikachi why imprison if you can just kill him. A duel perhaps or something more hidden.

[@OneProudBavarian]

Good stuff, good stuff!

[@georgecatton]

So you're not doing the guides anymore :(

[@theonemarlowe9117]

@@georgecatton PDX is rightfully spreading the love, I guess.

[@OneProudBavarian]

@@georgecatton It does mean that I can return to focus on my own channel with content over there, haha! Thanks for becoming a member btw, George! Plus, we gotta pass the love around and I gotta tell ya that I absolutely adore Havoc's animations in this one! Very much looking forward to the upcoming videos!

[@georgecatton]

@@OneProudBavarian yeah he was good and glad you can get back to your channel. And I've wanted to support you since I found your channel last year, but I've only just got the money to do it :)

[@originalulix]

Arumba next?

[@markovnikita4110]

My opinion of Havoc: Short Reign: -16

[@charlieefreak1362]

Opinion of predecessor: +20

[@originalulix]

Lol. Good one.

[@JohnSmith-kb4re]

Factions in Paradox Grand Strategy: One Proud Bavarian for Introducing CK3 Strength: 1 man (0.0009% of Liege) Leader: John Smith Claimant: One Proud Bavarian Members:

[@HForHavoc]

I’d put you on my Council to appease you, but you haven’t got anything worthy of a seat, sorry

[@charlieefreak1362]

Havoc You are on this council but we do not grant you the rank of master

[@rogerreyne1877]

free tip: vassals your worst enemies, oppress and harass them at any moment

[@blackfang101]

If you don't spend most of your time "at peace" beating up your own vassals, your empire will never really amount to much. The only time you can sit back and relax is when you play an immortal high diplo/intrigue character, any other time should be spent putting dynasty members with few if any claims to anything relevant in every position possible for the extra dynastic opinion while revoking "excess" titles at any opportunity, more vassals is infinitely better than strong vassals.

[@Aethelhald]

I recall playing as the Byzantine Empire once, with the duke of Serbia (from the Dulkjanin dynasty) being one of my vassals. Over time he expanded inside my realm until he had two duchy titles, at which point he made himself a king (still my vassal) without my permission. This annoyed the hell out of me because he stopped being an imperial vassal and became a feudal vassal, meaning I didn't inherit his top title when he died, he passed it to his heirs. Over time they expanded so much inside my realm that the vassal king of Serbia was more powerful than me. They owned basically all of Greece, 3 duchies in Anatolia, some in the holy land, some in Bulgaria. It got to a point where he had more vassals than I did! Eventually I got so frustrated that I paused the game and, with the game paused, systematically imprisoned every single member of the Dulkjanin family. The king, his children, his siblings, their wives/husbands, their children... everybody. I executed every single one of them, except for the king of Serbia himself whom I castrated and released from prison. If I remember correctly it was around 160 people in all. Naturally, every single vassal of mine had -100 opinion of me afterwards.

[@Elydir]

I would argue it's your family who's your worst enemies

[@blackfang101]

@@Elydir just make sure your family doesn't have claims or if they do, make sure they don't get powerful enough to press them. The goal is to have dynasty members for the opinion boost but far enough away in your family to not have claims or any direct gains from assassinating your children.

[@pedrolmlkzk]

@@Aethelhald why did you ignore this obvious threat?

[@matomatic4599]

Controlling vassals is like being a baby sitter - there's endless squabbling and whining, loads of shenanigans which you can't keep track of and you're just putting up with their crap for the money. You're not doing a good job, but it's not like they would appreciate you doing a good job anyway.

[@DerFreiegedanke]

I hope there are some sorts of Bootlicker Vassals that just always try to appease you. I often had the feeling that all the vassals seem to think they are the shit and always had the same ambitions. Also the Vassal management was boiling down to pressing one of three buttons to make green number go up. they really need to step up the game with promises and much more feedback for decisions. Like giving vassals command of an army and shit that boosts there moral. Something like trust and flat out vassals that lack ambitions and are just happy with where they are and some vassals that actively try to gain your favor by giving you gold not the other way around.

[@gufosufo337]

@@DerFreiegedanke vassals that are happy with what they have exist and are represented with the trait content. Now that traits actually matter you will Probably see that. And bootlickers also exist, most visibly on the council

[@HoHhoch]

@@DerFreiegedanke Everything you described is already in CK2. Powerful vassals that are you friends on the council will persuade others to always agree with you. Content vassals are also just that. Content.

[@rs2334]

Havoc was installed by faction demand to replace One Proud Bavarian in this video.

[@captain_brav0]

When I played Léon in CK2 and created the Empire of Hispania things got a little boring so I lowered the crown authority from Absolute until I got to Low, and then just watched my vassals kill each other until the game ended. It was fun

[@kingjamestres]

That's why at a certain point I create an empire of kingdoms and stop personally expanding just to watch what my vassals do.

[@jarrettpeterson227]

Its a good feeling when you notice a major neighbor at war and you're like hey should I take advantage and realize they are at war with one of your vassals who are already handling it.

[@camelofsiberia962]

@@jarrettpeterson227 are u me lol

[@mavislenya1110]

The game of thrones mod for this will be amazing i think.

[@originalulix]

It will take a long time after release though, I'd say at least a year.

[@lordkenten4136]

@@originalulix but when it does it will be heaven.

[@henryjw15]

They said they won’t be doing it.

[@lordkenten4136]

@@henryjw15 Where did you get that because I herd that they will be. Also thats besides the point because someone will. AGOT is simply to popular within the CK community for it to not happen.

[@henryjw15]

Lord Kenten back then when they announced ck3, can't remember if it was a post on Reddit or mod discussion page on steam.

[@batuhancolaklar5575]

Kinda sad Byzantium doesn't get their unique goverment, let's hope that it will be in the next DLC or smth

[@parsifal2299]

More than likely it will

[@pedrolmlkzk]

better than a poor thought out mechanic that doesn't make a lot of sense like viceroys

[@pedrolmlkzk]

@Miguel Santos it doesn't represent the power structure of Byzantium well

[@pimpinjt123]

This boy said the next DLC. Bro you better hope that shit comes out in a free update instead.

[@Novozymandiaz]

@@pimpinjt123 We're talking about paradox here...

[@Wojjjie]

I remember that one vasal family i had in CK2. They were ALWAYS but ALWAYS trying to kill me, and were generarly my enemies..but i liked them so much i left them alive since they were my only role play enemies

[@lucasfuhr9629]

kind like of a joker vs batman situation as if one of them dies the other one loses the meaning of his life.

[@Pinstar]

I had a big kingdom with two other duchies (besides the two I was able to own myself). I didn't notice that the two had married their children together. That...was a nasty civil war.

[@minkmuskens7563]

allà Roose Bolton, nice.

[@HForHavoc]

Oh hey look, it's a me!

[@dahenqadirmhamad]

You gotta new subscriber

[@rocsan8390]

Will you play this when it gets out?

[@HForHavoc]

@@rocsan8390 1000000%

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

You sounds like you about to cry. Are you alright baby havoc? 🥺

[@andrebu5170]

Milan Keprt chill man

[@lucascacchioli5576]

Where my boy Bavarian at?

[@CalmSmilingMan]

"Although a king as a vassal relatively rare." *me looking at my pink roman empire game map Also me: Am i doing something wrong here?

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

They mean the starting positions, we all know world conquest is a common goal. Or I hope they know it.

[@CalmSmilingMan]

@@LuizAlexPhoenix i see. Speaking of world conquest. I hope the devs come up with something to prevent players advancing tech and blobing so quickly because fighting weak neighbors and conquering them really gets old fast.

[@kingjamestres]

@@CalmSmilingMan My idea has always been a global/regional manpower pool. The effects of war on the map really have no consequences and there a lot of things that I feel like paradox could play around with that.

[@CalmSmilingMan]

@@kingjamestres that. And also keeping far away land powerful vassal should be more difficult. For example: an emperor residing in constantinople should have harder time maintaining order toward powerful vassal in kazakhstan because a couriers would need months to deliver a mail or for the vassal to deliver tribute. In real world scenario the couriers would be more likely to encounter bandits a lomg the way. But hey, we can't have everything we wished for.

[@AleronWolf]

@@CalmSmilingMan as it happened to Abbasids

[@killinspecialist1965]

Idk about the rest of you but I really cant get enough of these kinds of vids and by god the music is great

[@grayleonhardt8631]

Kinda loud though. It's hard to hear what he is saying sometimes.

[@serrico0869]

I just love this contract screen 2:54, plus the Seal is a nice touch. Great job Paradox

[@DaDudeLaw]

Q: Will there be shattered & random world game settings?

[@ilayohana3150]

does anyone actually play those?

[@freyrds8870]

@@ilayohana3150 Yeah, frequently.

[@MightyManra]

I love it if I’m playing alone. When I played with my friends they didn’t know CK2 well so I left it base sadly

[@bryane727]

@@ilayohana3150 yh I played it a lot

[@Lofwyr]

@@ilayohana3150 Shattered and Random worlds give a lot of variety and replay value, specifically when you use random religions and customize them to make all kinds of weird and bizarre things.

[@Roy_787]

I already miss One Proud Bavarian.

[@thelostchevalier]

Every word from Havoc sends a chill down my spine... I'm so eager for this game!

[@HForHavoc]

Awwww shucks :)

[@dingbat91]

Most important thing we need before launch. A new feature overview video and what it REALLY means from AsaTJ

[@alphagamer9505]

2:19 just died a little inside from Reading Feudal Empire for the Romans

[@diegoyuiop]

Yeah, me too

[@matthewparenti1054]

The CK music playing gave me chills, cannot wait!!!

[@DarkUnicornStudios]

Very excited to play this! Looking forward to work my way up the ladder

[@MajorGore]

No imperial government for the byzantines? I saw several douxes as vassals to the emperor, shouldn't they be strategos?

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

MajorGore Emperor government type isn’t available on release. Nor are Merchant Republic and Nomad (but I’m glad these are gone so they can do something with them that’s less janky than ck2). I never play near Byzantium though, so I don’t particularly care for the time being

[@MajorGore]

IndigoRage Byzantium is my main country in CK2. I love playing with all the eastern christian characters, greek, georgian, armenian and alan is all good fun.

[@ORO323]

Starting as a count and building your way up through marriages, alliances, conquests and scheming is the best.

[@flyspaghettimonstersunfait1439]

Sad that OPB isn’t doing this video but I guess supporting different people who play their games by sponsoring them and giving them more exposure is cool.

[@JohnSmith-nh2te]

COME OUT AHHHHH I CANT WAIT

[@Laharal55]

Time to try a new series for me from Paradox, CK3 here I come!

[@Lumors]

"More often than not there is a simple solution to please your vassals... except when you run out of council seats." I love the decision between having a functional council and not having to worry about furious powerful vassals lol.

[@CuriousPersonUSA]

I like that you can have different rules per vassal now. Would definitely make the game more interesting. Will the type of agreement with one vassal cause opinion reward/penalty with other vassals? If one has a much more favorable laws enacted by the liege compared to the rest that might cause jealousy or even rebellions.

[@oneproudukrainian2063]

Q: Will there be a CK3 to EU4 converter?

[@georgecatton]

I hope so

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

Doubt it. There is a planned fan converter by the team that does the EU4 - Vic2 converter though.

[@gamergrill4933]

@@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes ugh, I hope that paradox will relese this converter because this eu4 to vic2 converter sucks

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

@@gamergrill4933 Their fan version of the CK2-EU4 converter uses the official converter's functionality as a base and is way better than the vanilla one, so I wouldn't be so sure.

[@SkeIIum]

Is there anything detailing what sets your vassal cap? Is it tied to diplo score or is it fixed? 40 seems a very suspicious number.

[@originalulix]

I'd guess it's a combination of factors like in CK2. Probably rank, so which highest title and how many, then diplomacy skill, probably skill of chancellor, and realm size. Something like that.

[@amiraliashrafkashani5837]

Can you just hear the perfect music casually playing in the background like it's nothing?

[@tokevarvaspolvi8999]

Don't ask what your vassals can do for you. Ask what you can do for your vassals. Ich bin ein Jülicher.

[@sf_macedo]

Where is that one Bavarian guy? Bring him back.

[@demitriusrawluk5747]

Lmao

[@Oscar-vv6dn]

RIP

[@ShiningLight]

Rude lol

[@AftermathRV]

2:20 is that a byzantine empire with the 1820 borders of the ottoman empire? Its beautiful.

[@Spongejeezy]

these machanics look great

[@Dino_Stan]

Happy that ck3 is a new game instead of ck2+, looking good.

[@Dino_Stan]

@@VAArrow howdy

[@xAKIMBOCURLYx]

Holy shit its launching on Game Pass thats awesome

[@Dragon_Lair]

This game definitely makes me feel like pulling out my Tywin Lannister. I have to look out for the dynasty no matter how disappointing my children are.

[@rah7729]

Vassal contract sounds great.

[@HiddenCitizenAR]

Give us the game already!! Stop teasing lol.. Cant wait till september

[@reichfuhrer1942]

time flies man next thing you know its already release day

[@vladimirbazhaev7851]

Man.... September 1st can't come fast enough

[@MRFlackAttack1]

Can’t wait till they introduce a Republics DLC.

[@CornBredCrusader]

around 4:15 you can see that they already have some sort of republic framework, as it is on the vassal screen

[@patrickbohn5235]

I hope they have modified the engine so that it works better this time. Ck2 republics are kinda unique in early game but once you get big enough it just becomes feudal with more money. Would br nice to see gameplay for them that feels properly different. Same with nomads on that front btw

[@MRFlackAttack1]

Patrick Bohn if they bring everything they’ve learned from CK2 and Imperator Rome and build off that, I think we have a good chance of getting something amazing.

[@maggym3390]

0:38 I think that the throne room of the count is almost the same as that of the emperor. I would have liked a little more clout for the emperor.

[@blindedinchains829]

??

[@maggym3390]

@@blindedinchains829 the room in the background looks pretty much the same, I see a real difference just in clothing. The emperor's room was supposed to inspire authority. It would also be nice if there was a screen were you could see your character on the throne to really be proud of your accomplishments.

[@blindedinchains829]

@@maggym3390 I was confused because I read it when you just said 'court'. But yeah, I agree with that.

[@cmdkaboom]

Finally a tutorial in this group that actually tries to teach you something instead of just spewing facts

[@djordan4648]

September can’t get here fast enough

[@filipiversen1331]

Excited!

[@ВайноХлеб-е9ф]

Blood to the blood god

[@conq1273]

Aah yes...potential backstabbers

[@josephcourtright8071]

19 days

[@pelagius_morvan]

Paradox, can you offer a dedicated server option for the players. Imagine a big game of 1000 players, would be incredible!

[@originalulix]

Yeah that's not really possible though. No game not meticulously programmed for it can handle that many players. It would cost tons of resources to make stable, for a tiny amount of players that would use it.

[@pelagius_morvan]

originalulix you just need a dedicated server and an improved hotjoin

[@daandebacker3967]

Am I the only one who watched this directly after the stream finished?

[@alexandernilsson8663]

ck3 hype

[@clarenzvasco8874]

I dont know if it has been discussed but will Exclaves settings part of the base game to lessen border gore?

[@abdelrhmanemira2480]

I can't find information about Crusader Kings III Royal Edition ,what does it give more than the regular edition ?

[@TheCarloCarlone]

I really hope for some "cross breading" inside paradox. Stellaris could use a vassal rehaul, I would prefer something simpler like they did for federations, but this CK3 stuff is gold too.

[@m.thorton9305]

what about allowing vassal to raid other county if their culture allow it in Law decisions? and we could control their raiding behavior from free to disallow similar to feudal/tribal tax

[@uncledrake6606]

What I wanna know, is how exactly vassals behave if their liege starts a war. I had a multiplayer game where I was my buddie's vassal and he declared a holy war. Instantly the warscore shield appeared but it had a different color than normal. I also didn't get the quick raise army button and when I raised my forces manually and tried to siege down one of my vassal's enemies' castles, my troops just stood there doing nothing. He also didn't have the option to call me into the war (the option wasn't greyed out it simply wasn't there to begin with). I had to ask my liege to join in as an active participant, but then that didn't work either because apparently my liege was not defending my faith in his holy war, even though we were of course both coptic christians and he was fighting muslims... The encyclopedia doesn't mention vassal behavior during wartime at all...

[@Circurose]

1:11 dat marshal with an iron mask tho.

[@Newidhan]

Why does he sound like he has a cold

[@scvboy1]

R.I.P One Proud Bavarian.

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

Will we have Channel Islands?? 🥺🥺

[@sisyr5615]

sounds like he has a cold..

[@foty8679]

@Common Sense Its very "nasal"

[@dathremo.]

This video seems a fair bit better than the previous videos in the series, no offense to OPB but this one actually feels like a tutorial not just a bullet point structured summary

[@sqdtnz]

The best place for my vassals is in my dungeons

[@MatthewZmusician209]

Does anyone know how to give priest land? I am playing as Georgia and I wish to have a county under a bishop. I remember I’m ck2 you would just Grant the bishop a country and he would control it.

[@Samuel-ut7mj]

Emperor Heinrich of HRE? Where is my Kaiser Heinrich?

[@jackrodden6711]

new soundtrack sounds lit

[@Arrwmkr]

Isle of Man confirmed!

[@the_dropbear4392]

Always remember that vassals are always in the wrong and you are always right

[@korizankokorozi6615]

NOICE

[@commandert5]

Did you fire the Bavarian?

[@daanatin]

Can you change the image for levies? feels kinda weird having 2200 guys with pitchforks and 8 armoured knights. When its actually 2200 levies infantry archers and light cavalry with pikes, shield, light to medium armour and maybe some 2 hander swords or axes and such.

[@JeanLucPicard85]

What about nuclear vassals, where do I find those?

[@BosnianGamer321]

I hope half the game wont be locked behind DLC

[@operationspark3636]

WE WANT TO PLAY WITH BARONIES PARADOX

[@manhphamnguyen4568]

This is great information, but sadly still haven't tackled my biggest concern yet :( when my vassal inherit some external land higher than their title, they would go independent and I won't get any strong claims to get back my lost land. I wonder if CK3 would solve this problem .

[@noahburns6042]

Mạnh Phạm Nguyễn, laws -> realm inheritance laws -> limited

[@manhphamnguyen4568]

No that prevent external people from inheriting your vassal land, not the other way around.

[@foty8679]

@@manhphamnguyen4568 That happend like 2 times for me

[@RDD_Comrade]

You too, my Gliterhoof?

[@Threxer]

OG Gamers were here before it was released.

[@Th3Nob]

So much better done than One Proud Bavarian.

[@carlosariasguadiana5506]

What are going to be the DLCS?

[@MovimentoPatriotista]

paradox, did you choose to abdicate the throne this time?

[@elsonvictarion7101]

Will the proper title of Earl be used in English lands instead of Duke? If I remember correctly Duke's were a mainland thing and Earl was a holdover from the Anglo-Saxon days.

[@akyllagenesis5834]

I hope it comes out in Brazilian Portuguese❤❤❤❤❤

[@glowner7878]

WHERES BAVARIAN

[@MeldinX2]

Maybe he is in Bavaria?

[@alvinj2635]

@@MeldinX2 nice

[@Next0gen0]

Kinda sounds like being a ruler is more like being a high level accountant.

[@oleanderkazzy_]

God imagine what Victoria 3 would look and be like

[@noamergi1464]

In the game can you use hooks to force a marriage agreement?

[@blackfalcon1324]

is it, could it be? FORCED GAVALKIND?

[@martinschwammberger3463]

strong vassal = knife party

[@regierdityatriadi9821]

Do ck3 have vassal states?

[@Truthorfib]

so its kind of like having the conclave dlv in ck2?

[@ramon9175]

Cant you also choose not to vassalize a domain that you take over? Like take away their title or grant the land you took to your heir?

[@parengthonycastillo4272]

It took me 3 months to understand how to play ck2 and what is demesne is. And I need to distribute my holdings to my vassals to maintain my demesne limit.

[@crownpenguin9180]

This is great

[@Oscar-vv6dn]

I'll act like I didn't see this a couple days ago

[@adamdopke178]

No better think than some good old burning towns as the vikings

[@delanovandijk7437]

Would be cool if you could play as a barony