Introducing Haydn's Oboe

[@jcortese3300]

I can't get over how tiny the fingerholes are and how narrow the thing is. It looks like he's playing a chair leg.

[@bloubear2557]

Janis Cortese id drill a leg chair for that melodic duck sound

[@Daring2Win]

🤣 right! I was thinking giant peppermill

[@youririnsema1148]

You should have a look at an es clarinet ;)

[@ENOCH_FALLEN]

Chairleg. BRILLIANT ANSWER

[@richarddyson4380]

I would love for you, and other presenting musicians, to play a piece on both the modern instrument and your period instrument to demonstrate the differences. This would assist us in appreciating these essential nuances in the sound that sets your orchestra apart. Thank you to all for taking the time to educate us and to share your passion for these instruments and music.

[@Denuhm]

Richard Dyson this would be incredible

[@chiconeededthemoney]

The oboe is one of the most beautiful of classical instruments.

[@namelia4439]

No. It is THE most beautiful of ALL instruments!!!🥰

[@_rhen]

It's nice to see this guy's clear passion and love for these instruments. Inspiring

[@idraote]

Charming gentleman and very clear explanations.

[@donalddodson7365]

What a wonderful series of programs. Especially for us trained as modern oboists. Thank you, all.

[@KennyNunnSax]

Hmmm, a ducat is about 3.5 grams of gold, so 8 ducats is about 28 grams of gold. In 2020, the price of gold is around 50 US dollars per gram, so that gives a price of about 1400 USD that he was asking. Not a bad price for two oboes. If he got 14 ducats, that would be around 2,450 USD, which is also a pretty good price for two oboes.

[@mithradata371]

Austria's ( and Europe's in general ) GDP per capita measured in 1960 dollars has always have been around 250 $ for centuries and esspecially the period Haydn was alive . 250 (1960s) usd in today's money is around 2188 $ . So if my estimates are true then those oboes costed as much as an average austrian's yearly salary

[@johnries5593]

The Prince was a good employer, which is undoubtedly why he could keep a first class composer and musicians in his orchestra for all those years.

[@violetraysgarage1765]

I love the sound of this oboe so much. I was so lucky to buy one old original on a fleamarket. It plays wonderful!

[@matthewmcree1992]

I'm a violinist (and played clarinet somewhat briefly) but I always said if I didn't play violin I would have been an oboist. That melancholy sonorous timbre is just so consonant with the personality of intellectual people in our modern society, and I just love it. If the oboe were to seize existing, we would be missing something big that expresses deep feelings. Oboe players, I salute you!

[@davesurprenant5548]

I find it hard to believe that Haydn never wrote at least one oboe concerto, given the popularity of the instrument. I wonder if an authentic Haydn work for oboe is tucked away somewhere...?

[@ThreadBomb]

I think the concerto genre did not interest Haydn very much, just from looking at the number he wrote in comparison to all his other instrumental works.

[@jz4774]

There is a "konzert for oboe und orchestre" but it is not proven to be written by him, although it is attributed to him.

[@Rik77]

I don't think haydn wrote many concertos at all. Yes mainly a symphonist. His symphonies include a lot of oboe solos. And he did write some "Symphony Concertantes" that include solo oboe.

[@DrMadelin]

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[@elaineblackhurst1509]

Rik77 You’re right that there are lots of oboe solos in the symphonies (and for most other instruments too); however there is only one Sinfonia Concertante (Hob. I:105) for violin, oboe, cello and bassoon, written in London, and first performed in March 1792.

[@allien7987]

It’s such a tragedy that “broke/baroque” puns are unavailable in British English.

[@JasonJason210]

Allie N - They are if you come from Yorkshire.

[@maxalaintwo3578]

Brock/Baroque are fair game

[@howardwayne3974]

Then you simply must learn to speak American! Welcome cousin.

[@BasedZoomer]

What? How do Americans say it? I'm American born and raised and I say ba-roque...

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

A fascinating and informative talk, thank you. You only told us half a story about the Symphony 38: HC Robbins Landon speculates that the solo you mention in the Trio of the Minuet, along with its spectacular appearance in the Finale were down to the Eszterhaza orchestra engaging a new and very highly paid oboe player Vittorino Colombazzo; HCRL suggests that the oboe parts were written specifically to introduce the talents of the new and famous first oboe to the Prince.

[@GrotrianSeiler]

What a wonderful presentation!

[@gfweis]

I think both that it was a wonderful idea to put together this series, and that it is very well done. Having just viewed the video on the classical fortepiano, I can say that in my opinion, although we're told in this video that the oboes featured here are very different than the modern oboe, they are a heck of a lot closer in sound to the modern oboe than the fortepiano is to a modern piano. I find quite lovely the sound of these oboes, but I still have to develop an appreciation of the fortepiano.

[@Desmaad]

00:22 It's like the focus of the letter was on the sycophancy while the funds for the oboes was tangential.

[@ranhill62]

Outstanding presentation!

[@petatap]

Really good introduction !!

[@joetoetjube]

It's a different instrument.. But it still sounds like you: probably the best compliment you can get

[@leoperarm]

The oboe is the instrument whose sound on period construction I value the most. Way more sonorous than the modern counterpart (at least relatively) and lots of character and colour. Especially when listening to Haydn and Mozart it has become an indispensable sound to me.

[@gfy8729]

As they get older they were used in banisters.

[@theralhaljordan7337]

"I come from a modern background" Funny, so do I!!

[@christopherstube9473]

I come from a post modern background.

[@maxalaintwo3578]

I wonder what else you both have in common

[@ternitamas]

such a nice guy, and very interesting info!

[@infledermaus]

Franz Joseph, where ya Haydn? Wonderful demo! I never knew any of this. I knew there was a baroque oboe, but I thought oboes went from baroque to modern in ine step and had no idea what they were actually made of. Thank you! I feel a little less ignorant now! 😊😊😊

[@louxmathieu9350]

It's a pity you didn't mention the Viennese maker Mathias Rockobaur, whose instruments were actually praised and recommended by Haydn in that same letter. Those earlier instruments were more likely to be the real Haydn's oboes, rather than those later made by Floth.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

@chestraEnlighten @UCrHICovzXa3ePnfRqUV5wkQ It's an oboe all right & it's basically an updated version of the Baroque oboe which means you can play in more keys.

[@cesteres]

So what else could you get for a ducat back in the days

[@drstrangecoin6050]

Mind you, projecting back from 1780 in Europe is tricky because these were pre-market economies, so guilds and mercantile practices makes figuring out the historical value of currency tricky (wages were way lower but also included room and board), but roughly each gold ducat is equivalent about 60USD or 51eur in 2018 purchasing power.

[@JonatasMonte]

KZbinrs make face reveals when reaching their goals. Haydn composed a symphony.

[@doblofiber992]

I always getting goosebumbs from the summer of the Saisons... by the oboe alone! :)

[@wdashwor]

Thank you for demonstrating these fascinating instruments!

[@tommunyon2874]

So much to know about the evolution of the modern instruments from their earlier beginnings; just as the entomology of the name oboe, itself, evolved from haute bois (high wood) at least in English. One wonders if it was known as an oboe to Haydn in whatever German dialect that was spoken in his area.

[@Hosenrolle1]

"so the scale isn´t particulary even" What does that mean exactly? The sound is not clear? The notes are not always in tune?

[@tapsarautanen]

I believe he means that there are open and closed notes alternating and that the color of each note is not always the same. Something similar happens with recorder, baroque oboe, baroque flute and most every woodwind instrument which uses cross fingering. Even more extreme uneven scales can be heard on natural horns when using handhorn technique, if you search it you can hear what "uneven" means in this contest even when all sounds are perfectly in tune.

[@noseoil4267]

Sound's better than the normal oboe

[@ThreadBomb]

Did any makers of the period try varnishing the inside of the oboe, to prevent rot?

[@richardholmquist7316]

Maybe, some organ builders of the time varnished or painted wood pipes inside. But I think varnishing the inside an oboe would result in a lot of water running out of the instrument. I don't know what that would do the tone, etc.

[@Rik77]

Oboes dont rot. They just literally break or warp eventually through wear and tear.

[@SaxJockey]

Yes, Renaissance, Baroque and later wooden instruments have an oiled finish inside and out. These are drying oils (typically seed/nut oils) that help seal the wood, to inhibit ingress of moisture into the grain. Problems (raised grain, cracks, splits) might arise if moisture is not allowed to evaporate after playing or/and the bore is not occasionally oiled, or the instrument is subjected to temperature extremes.

[@lorenzobiondi5727]

Everyone talking about cross fingering for flutes and oboes, what do that words mean?

[@zachdavenport8509]

Its when you cover the holes in an odd configuration instead of just lifting fingers one at a time.

[@tonyennis3008]

For example, imagine the holes are numbered, top to bottom 1, 2, and 3 (left hand on top) and 4, 5, and 6 for the right hand on bottom. Then imagine covering 1, 3, 4, 6 to play a certain note. Further, it could be that by partially covering any of these holes allows the musician to affect the pitch or timber, this being very important perhaps depending on what's happening next. Inside that instrument is a maelstrom of forces and they do not change direction instantly. There is certainly going to be a knack to getting the best sound out.

[@christopherstube9473]

@@tonyennis3008 good explanation.

[@capezyo]

Excellent, thank you

[@dibaldgyfm9933]

Is it possible to play oboe without getting too high pressure in the lungs and head? Xcuse me for asking, our orchestration teacher maintained that oboe players suffer from making too high pressure which can do damage.

[@zacharycoronado6749]

Given this bit of history, it might almost be appropriate to play shawm for Haydn

[@KnightsWithoutATable]

I wonder if you could find a machinable plastic that would have the right density, elasticity, and resonance of that wood so that you could have an instrument that you practice on and then switch to the real deal a week before performance and for performance so that you stay true to your goal of using period instruments. I know that there is a plastic trumpet that has a decent sound that is currently being sold. The website for it has links to a youtube video where they let a professional trumpet soloist try the instrument and her opinion was that is was good. Not as good a high quality instrument, but much better than a student model or a Frankenstein trumpet from a music repair ship. Heck, for a student it is a great idea since they are unlikely to keep the instrument clean and will tend to be very rough on them.

[@t.vanoosterhout233]

Slightly confused. Plastic oboes already exist.

[@multitrackjake8698]

The issue with a piece of wood is that it is itself an entirely unique thing. Much like humans you will never find two identical planks of wood. You just can't copy organic material like wood with plastic or any other artificially consistent material.

[@LukaT]

But what does the bulbous part at the top do?

[@BatEatsMoth]

What temperament and reference pitch is is set up for?

[@Johnwilkinsonofficial]

anyone else watching a bunch of these videos and thinking the old instruments are often better!?

[@Marianofrv]

Beautiful

[@patrickmeyer2802]

Why is Paddy Considine telling me about Oboes?

[@jaimetobarm]

Good morning Mr. Speaker

[@evethompson7625]

this guy looks like andy from the office!

[@howardwayne3974]

Who ????????

[@BatEatsMoth]

You say these are replicas; what pitch was the original design intended for? Was it 430 Hz, or are the reeds in the replicas modified for that tuning?

[@StarshipTrooper4231]

Sensitive to temperature and other environments you say...? Well I feel you. I play on strings made out of horse hair. They change tuning if someone farts in the other room.

[@The_Mister_E]

I prefer the timbre of the older model. More like a solo soprano in a boys choir than a clarinet with some redistributed bite, which is how I would describe the tone of the newer model.

[@classicalperformances8777]

U had no idea paddy Considine played the oboe

[@phlarrdboi]

i feel like this guy was an extra on Grange Hill

[@shy.kumquat]

I want one so bad :(

[@alexalestareon695]

I bet if you oil it it might extend the life of the oboe??? Recorder players do it to keep mold and fungus from growing in the bore.

[@medora2499]

It sounds a little like a clarinet.

[@PSaextreme]

A415 or A440??

[@oae]

neither! A430.

[@jaysparc]

Pitch was very regional prior to modern tonality.

[@ivelisseys7285]

Sounds like a clarinet

[@brumels1570]

What Bach wrote for his oboes seem far beyond what Hadyn wrote for his more "advanced" oboes.

[@vonditters856]

Brumel's Parakeet Far beyond boring you mean

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

Brumel's Parakeet ‘Baroque’ and ‘Classical’ are not the same thing; instruments were used in different ways and the oboe writing in Bach or Handel is not the same as in Mozart and Haydn; the same is true of other instruments as well. The normal universally accepted spelling of the composer’s name is Haydn.

[@brumels1570]

@@elaineblackhurst1509 Thank you for correcting my spelling. I know the difference between the musical styles. What you are saying is it is not the oboe's fault that music written for it by classical composers is so musically limited.

[@nostalgiakarlk.f.7386]

*6 6 6 L I K E S*

[@ThreadBomb]

Let's be precise: Haydn's "Symphony No. 38" was probably not exactly number 38 in order of composition.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

Thread Bomb That’s not precision, that’s pedantry. The Hoboken catalogue number Hob. I:38 is precise and universally understood. It will never be possible to create an absolutely accurate chronological list of the symphonies as too many of the original scores are lost; the last possible chance of ever attempting to do so went up in flames at the end of WW2 when the Soviet army arrived at Eszterhaza and made a bonfire of the contents of the palace that lasted days. Any more modern attempts to compile an accurate chronological list (Sonja Gerlach for example), whilst correcting many obvious errors still had to include a number of best guesses. Any attempt to re-number the symphonies would cause terrible confusion, as indeed would removing Michael Haydn’s ‘Mozart’ Symphony 37 from the Kochel list and re-numbering Mozart’s last four symphonies.

[@bloubear2557]

How many kidneys is it worth?

[@jamesha175]

probably you can't afford it

[@frankstrawnation]

8 ducats.

[@johnchance5836]

Blou Bear Historical are not at all expensive. Several very reputable makers. About 2000 USD compared to my professional modern Laubin which is 14600 USD

[@petatap]

Never thought about selling one of my kidneys for buying an oboe ... let's think about it ...

[@Android_Warrior]

@@johnchance5836 : what year your Laubin was made?

[@zebra3stripes]

Yeah, it does sounds like eight duckettes...are being strangled.

[@vielleadinan]

Le discours est probablement intéressant, mais pour un non-anglophone, ce n'est que 20 secondes de musique sur 5,42 minutes.....

[@vacuumlover1]

*WHY YOU PUFF YOUR CHEEK*

[@ElricWilliam]

I was interested....then you said "yeet" and I gave up and scrolled down here to tell you. I was interested...then you made a fool of yourself.

[@jobdylan5782]

Lol

[@thecluelesscomposer]

The best part of the video was noticing that Haydn wrote 38 symphonies. This guy was seriously lacking hobbys, wasn't he?

[@richardholmquist7316]

He wrote plenty more than that. There are 104 numbered symphonies and at least three more that have been found since 19th c. editors numbered them (Haydn didn't keep track). He also wrote 76 string quartets and much else besides. Part of the reason for this very fast pace of composing is that his employer, Prince Esterhazy of Austria, wanted new music from him all the time. But perhaps composing was Haydn's hobby. Imagine that.

[@thecluelesscomposer]

@@richardholmquist7316 yes I read that lately

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

Richard Holmquist Recte: 68 string quartets (almost everyone knows that Opus 3 is spurious).

[@samkunde3408]

私の嫌いな人にスペイン語を話す

[@noseoil4267]

Bassoon is better....

[@joaopereira-rd5wg]

Finnally a realistic comment!

[@jeremiah3355]

Bassoon!!

[@kamalakrsna]

find tha BEST one - scan it - make copies of it made of glass (somehow hahaha)

[@meredithweir]

Double Reed instruments >> all other instruments