Introducing Sorcery TCG, Part 1: First Play

[@williambray5662]

If you're here before the edit, starts at 34:16

[@StariusPrime]

Man.... I wish I hadn't missed out on this kickstarter. This game looks amazing.

[@Thefrabur91]

same...

[@tubeprak]

You two are great. I have rarely had such an inner peace while watching you play.

[@bakad7424]

I’m excited. Going to back on kickstarter to get the decks. Subscribed for a booster box as well. Can’t wait to play!

[@forevergrey]

Heads up, but the booster box subscription for TC starts with set 2.

[@kaibe5241]

@@forevergrey I'm stopping at set 1 for this one. I don't need another TCG, but I do want this game. Gonna treat it like MTG alpha :)

[@milohobo9186]

This feels like a combination of magic and chess, with the you and your opponent building the chess board.

[@Ace_Stevo]

Watched this and backed the kickstarter. Can’t wait!

[@Dudldom]

"If it hits a million its the biggest tcg kickstarter" Coming from the future, we're at three million now!

[@KingGameReview]

I backed this - getting the starter decks and a couple booster boxes. I'm super hyped - worst case scenario I'll have a couple boxes of cardboard rectangles with cool art. I also signed up for our Sorcery subscription. Right now just one box - but after the game comes out and if I love it, I might change it to 2 per release (especially since I heard they're only planning maybe one release a year instead of 50 sets a week like MTG right now)

[@Gameswithhendry]

''I backed this - getting the starter decks and a couple booster boxes. I'm super hyped'' there is a change of getting nothing. is what it says in the bunch of text when you see the options

[@KingGameReview]

@@Gameswithhendry that's pretty rare for a Kickstarter - especially one that's this far along. They just have to print what already exists and it's backed by an actual company.

[@Gameswithhendry]

@@KingGameReview yes, but it really says in their discription.

[@ReMeDy_TV]

@@Gameswithhendry Considering TeamCovenant has demo cards in-hand, that Rudy (Alpha Investments) is sponsoring it, and the difficult part (the art) is already finished, I would be shocked if the game doesn't deliver at this point, but yea, it's certainly always a risk backing a project. I would just put the risk of Sorcery being like 0.01%.

[@SWAT6809]

The suscription being available for EU based people with affordable shipping rates would be neat, I hope theres going to be enough demand so its worth it to offer.

[@michaelcoughlan5727]

the art if excellent reminds me of the older games middle earth, mythos

[@Loki-]

25:20 Big disagree. Ever since Diablo 2 with frost skellies and shimmering sapphire armor, I've loved the ice element in games. But... I will concede you're not wrong that it's cold earth. Lol. But I've seen people over simplify elements in general as a thing, so it's all just spell flavor at the end of the day.

[@teamcovenant]

Oof that's a good point. Frost armor is killer. Loved it in the various Warcraft games (Lich hero in WC3 and Frost Mage in WoW, if I remember correctly). -Steven

[@Loki-]

​@@teamcovenantYes! I played both those characters too! Haha. I look forward to more frost in Sorcery, but also all of it in general! Love the themes in it.

[@milohobo9186]

I was playing and helping design some for an old living card game that failed, Elemental Clash, and this has some of the best aspects of that and M:tG. I am invested and look forward to getting a chance to play with my wife and oldest son, maybe even my M:tG group if it works as well as it looks.

[@ImDoneItsOver]

I remember ele clash

[@milohobo9186]

@@ImDoneItsOver I miss it, it was on the verge of greatness, but funding wasn't there just as it was starting to really look like it had the right direction.

[@AdamJorgensen]

As a DoomTown Reloaded fan I'm pretty keen for this game :-)

[@joe-wi8nj]

mystery, granularity of mechanics, and just making fun cards that do cool stuff!

[@CardMasterBrian]

This game is really cool! I like how you decide which deck to draw from... really adds to the players strategy.

[@JackMeadows6322]

Art work is amazing.

[@ReMeDy_TV]

With the Bullfrog, I like to put the minion he swallows into the Bullfrog's card sleeve, lol. Assuming the opp is fine with it. Also, reading the manual, it mentions, "Tapping: A player may need to tap a card to perform certain actions. To tap a card, turn it 90° to the RIGHT from an upright position." Just saying :)

[@teamcovenant]

Case closed!

[@CollectorArthouse]

Hope everyone interested in Sorcery will come join the Fan Page Group on Facebook. 21 or the 35 artists are there. And if you love the art, you’ll love the full art gallery on the Collector Arthouse website!

[@BoardRoomGamer]

Well 1:02:19 and 1:02:13 are two very conflicting events 🤣 water sure does adapt indeed. “What’d you roll?” (A 1 and a 3 does not 5 make 😉)

[@lukemartineau490]

One thing I read in the rules is that, to cast a spell, you need to nominate either your Avatar or one of your minions with the Spellcaster keyword. It's an action that Spellcaster minions or your Avatar can take. I couldn't find further clarification within the ruleset so I'll ask here: Is the amount of spells you can cast in a turn further limited by the Spellcaster keyword? e.g., if you only have your Avatar on the board, can you only cast one spell per turn, regardless of mana? Additionally, if a minion takes the Spellcasting option, can they take other actions? (e.g., if you use your Avatar to cast a spell, can you still tap them to play a Site?)

[@RedRamDRA]

Game looks pretty nice - looks like I missed the whole kickstarter thing though... I'll have to wait for actual release, but I'm hyped. Love the terrain idea!

[@teamcovenant]

We'll definitely be playing it closer to the second set's release, you can also join our discord, we're always talking about SorceryTCG: cov.link/discord

[@lystic9392]

If only you could get distribution going within the EU. That would be absolutely amazing. I would jump on the subscriptions within a heartbeat! I still might because I really (really) like you guys, but it's going to be financially difficult to achieve for me.

[@teamcovenant]

We'd love to get there, Lystic! And hopefully we can.

[@guglielmoscecspir1053]

@@teamcovenant For the record, I struggled for months to find FaB in Italy and within our national territory seems absolutely impossible to get msrp stuff. Anything I bought past July from out EU got heavily taxed from border fees. Uk has the same fees to pay since Brexit.

[@goldcreeper7376]

@@guglielmoscecspir1053 doesn't cardmarket have FaB now ?

[@LOSTVeteR1]

So do you guys know about russian card game Berserk? A classic one. That presents similar game process, with 5 by 6 battlefield).

[@foyoGames]

I have the base and expansion english version. Haven't tabled it yet. Would u say its much like this?

[@Polmax2312]

@@foyoGames only classic one. The newer “berserk heroes” is just a hearthstone clone. Older version was essentially a Sorcery without lands and avatars.

[@foyoGames]

@@Polmax2312 I hear Russia loves it

[@Polmax2312]

@@foyoGames MTG is miles more popular here and outshines everything else as TCG. I think berserk does ok financially as a board game, but it lacks official competitive support and degraded into kitchen table game without massive public events. Card prices for new version are laughable, while some of the classic cards are chased after. There are small communities that play classic berserk (akin to Old School magic format), but their numbers are really few. Which is sad, because in 2008-2010 era there were a lot of tournaments and the game seemed to go parabolic in terms of attracting new players.

[@foyoGames]

@@Polmax2312 Dang, gotta have that competitive scene to keep the interest up...they should have known that.

[@Possu81]

How is the card quality? Corners seem to be pretty round which indicates this might be produced in China maybe? Anyway, who/what is behind production?

[@zzz-mm8bn]

Instruction starts at 28:16

[@GoblinReserve]

I’m watching on mobile so I can’t read anything, but didn’t y’all say the Beatles had flying? The mermaids could not have attacked them?

[@GoblinReserve]

What a great looking game! I don’t know if I can spend any more money on games, but this game really makes me want to!. Can’t wait to watch on a larger screen than mobile to fully enjoy it.

[@GoblinReserve]

I just stayed up til 2am watching this entire video 🤦🏼‍♂️🤣

[@lystic9392]

Good catch, you are correct. The Mermaids cannot simply attack an Airborne unit because they do not have Ranged or Airborne. If, hypothetically, the Scarabs had attacked the site that the Mermaids were on, the Mermaids could have blocked the attack and the exchange would happen.

[@foyoGames]

I honestly think u guys would get a bunch more views if you cut out that "livestream starting soon" hour at the beginning

[@teamcovenant]

We always do! It takes 24-48 hours for KZbin to process a livestream before we can edit out the intro screen.

[@foyoGames]

@@teamcovenant I added, "I'm sure yall have a reson for this," but ended up deleting that part. OK, that makes alot of sense...youtube is full of crucial flaws. I presented the same thing to Orange River ...he was an a$$$hole about it. Thanks for the Clarification!

[@MrPyromonkey1220]

If i get the subscription on your shop will i still get the first set of sorcery or will i be getting the next one which i see its called arthurian legends?

[@teamcovenant]

Hey Erik, our subscription only moves forward, so the first thing you'll receive is Arthurian Legends.

[@Yukon.72]

I think that wurm also must have moved to bait, and die there, because his trait tells that he die asap as he left fire location. (its not "can't move out of fire, its die when he not on fire) and cobolds can't damage Undine, because cobolds deal to adjacent not nearby

[@teamcovenant]

We're glad to here the "bait" mechanic is apparently updated with the new version of the card! But what an example of that "moxie" Zach talks about.

[@Yukon.72]

@@teamcovenant oh, and also that location that gives haste, based on pictures you show - its for ones that spawned in said sector, not nearby) Also they need to update angler, as there lots of questions, like 1) it baits only one minion? 2) It must be same minion each turn? 3) Who choose target for moving? ps. who "moxie" Zach and example of his?

[@Yukon.72]

@@teamcovenant also, all Avatars are spellcasters by default (how else do they cast all spells?)

[@andrijagrgic2357]

How can i buy this? Im in germany.

[@teamcovenant]

hey Andrija, there's currently nothing for sale for set one - we're all waiting on direct sales to show up. For set two you can keep an eye on us or join our discord (cov.link/discord) and we'll be updating everyone when we know more.

[@andrijagrgic2357]

@@teamcovenant cool thanks for the info

[@danielcrowley5277]

I am so in! Backed the kickstarter and subbed with ya'll, and cannot wait for release to crack packs. Firmly in the "nostalgic millennial" demographic myself, and I've been chasing that old feeling of classic MTG for soo long without realizing I'd just lost it, joylessly grinding away on MTGA in search of something that's just not there anymore... This video reminded me of how WoW classic snapped me out of so many stale MMOs, and back into some good, silly, clunky fun. I think classic game design has so much to offer us right now - one the reasons we play TCGs and not more purely skill-based games like chess is that feeling that one draw/one well-timed play could alter the story of a game. That and the high-fantasy element that this game has in spades. Love that this game seems to appreciate that, and I hope it finds a niche among people who want to collect, check out the art, and have some great kitchen table-style fun!

[@teamcovenant]

Target audience achieved! Haha.

[@danielcrowley5277]

@@teamcovenant lol was literally rewatching the video when you liked the comment, so I’d say so! Thanks for getting me into lcgs and flesh and blood as well!

[@NikolajLepka]

it's honestly the first time I've ever heard someone call it a k'bold. everyone I know puts the emphasis on the first syllable in that word

[@teamcovenant]

KOH-bold? Wild. Probably right. Where was the pronunciation guide in that Monster's Manual?

[@crush3146]

Honestly I'm getting a bit confused about the buying process for this game... Is it already selling? And if not, when will it be? How do I get 2 know when alpha is going 2 sell out and no longer be available?

[@teamcovenant]

First Set is available via Kickstarter right now (for the next 13 days). That set will be printed to demand from the Kickstarter. Second Set is available through some retailers and us, through our subscription: cov.link/sorcery-subscription First Set may have a "revised" edition releasing later, after the Kickstarter.

[@angerworm]

Ugh, I might have to buy this. Am I *really* going to have to buy this? I'm going to buy this... I'M GOING TO BUY THIS!

[@teamcovenant]

That sentiment echo'd around our office when the Kickstarter launched.

[@angerworm]

@@teamcovenant I *can't wait* to buy this! 😆

[@Dudldom]

Get out of my head :-D

[@Taurynalthor]

This reminds me of the Guardians CCG... I bet a lot of the same artist are used they look so much like that game...

[@TabletopRoyale]

This reminds me a TON of Guardians TCG from 1995

[@foyoGames]

Yall are gunna make me grab that up

[@TabletopRoyale]

@@foyoGames I think you'd dig it for sure

[@foyoGames]

@@TabletopRoyale just got 1 starter...now to find a 2nd

[@TabletopRoyale]

@@foyoGames Nice! They are hard to find but the cool thing about them is they are totally randomized.

[@foyoGames]

@@TabletopRoyale Aaaaah...good to know ...lotta available starters are sub-60 cards. ...so it hardly matters

[@bobsimpson9228]

sadly just found out about this today so i missed the kickstarter. RIP. only thing im worried about is stacking cards at tournaments and losing track of them or having someone try to steal some.

[@PoKeKidMPK1]

have you guys ever tried playing chaotic? i havent gotten to ever truly play it, but seeing the different decks with sites or locations, and seeing how you place cards down in a pattern to create this area reminded me of it. and since you guys are about playing past tcgs, i thought it would be interesting to see if you guys may have some content on it, but i havent found anything yet so i figured id ask.

[@teamcovenant]

Actually haven't even heard of that one. Adding it to the list!

[@PoKeKidMPK1]

@@teamcovenant oh wow thats interesting. awesome, thank you!

[@cordanding2147]

@@teamcovenant its an old game that is no longer in production. Its supposedly suppose to have a relaunch but that was rumored over a year ago

[@Killswitchxxl]

This game reminds of me the digital card game Faeria

[@Joseph_Pines]

Going forward I really hope that sorcery and flesh and blood stick around. They're the two that excite me most gameplay wise and I think they both represent excellent parts of what tcgs are and can be

[@teamcovenant]

Glad you're aligned with us on that! The two branches/approaches are pretty perfectly defined between FAB and Sorcery. New Zealand bringing it these days.

[@Joseph_Pines]

@@teamcovenant fully agree! Mad props to New Zealand

[@jaytimothy]

Your pronunciation of "kobolds" is so bothersome I'm leaving a comment. It's CO-bold. like the CO in "covert". haha. Love the coverage. Can't wait to play this when it comes out. Wish I got in on the ground floor. EDIT: Well, I watched further into the stream and now you said the fictional monster's name "correctly". haha. I rescind my condescending comment, even though you're going back and forth between the two.

[@teamcovenant]

You'd think we would have learned it from our time in Dungeons and Dragons when we were younger.

[@pickle-shoemarvin7574]

Anyone else get Duelist of the Roses vibes from this or just me?

[@MrCrateraider3]

I think some of these games should have gone LCG.

[@duane_313]

THIS!!!

[@alexserban276]

I love LCG's... But I think TCG's make way more money.

[@Big_Dai]

"A game where whatever happens it's its own reward"

[@Nooneaskedforthis]

would love to play 3 players

[@MrAfterword]

100% love the art, biggest selling point, by far. However, I'm still not convinced on gameplay. Stacking cards gets confusing quickly from the how to play videos I've seen. Big learning curve versus Magic, Metazoo, Pokemon or even D spirits (conversely, even though D spirits is very silly and the art is more for children, the gameplay actually pushed me to back the kickstarter). Also, with 400 cards out of the gate, that is a huge pool for collectors who want full sets. I don't really see myself playing this game over Magic, MetaZoo or D spirits, but the artwork and Kickstarter rarity just may be enough to pull me in for a case and the starter decks.

[@teamcovenant]

We had no issues learning the game, and the stacking was one of our favorite parts. Gives a physicality and visceral appreciation of the mechanics. It was much easier to learn/understand than FAB, or a number of classics, like Star Wars CCG, Middle Earth CCG, etc. But even so, these "chunkier" games having steeper learning curves is not a net negative. There is significant upside to increased granularity/theme/flavor over the streamlined rulesets that competitive Magic spawned. There will be some collectors that want full sets, but the beautiful thing here is that we're not really seeing it as a "buy X boxes to get X copy of every card". Open packs, discover new cards, integrate them into your decks; call us old fasioned, but that has a lot of appeal. For instance, there are four of us here at Covenant splitting a case by faction. We'll then build decks with those pulls and have a wonderful time. Plan to do this with each new set. Having full playsets isn't even a consideration!

[@psilo8702]

Decent art, nice concept trying to be more old school, Middle-Earth CCG is my favourite CCG art and gameplay-wise. Something about the layout of these cards I'm just not feeling it. They look like cards you get in a board game as to use as tokens? if that makes sense. Maybe it'll grow on me.

[@teamcovenant]

Decent art?! Psilo, the art is hand-painted and then photographed for printing. Maybe we're not showing it off well enough, but the art is phenomenal in your hand.

[@psilo8702]

@@teamcovenant Just had a look through the full card list on Curiosa, your right the art is awesome.

[@007nikster2]

I'm so bummed I missed the kickstarter...

[@everett6072]

This reminds me a decent bit of the Total War CCG before it got shut down. You have a "hero" who essentially functions as a unit. Manipulate the positioning of other units, and even have the immune to dmg once you become low enough mechanic.

[@vaer-k]

For me it seems a little _too_ much like early MTG. I want a game with the _soul_ of those early days, not a clone of them. I think I'm still primarily interested in Flesh&Blood. On the other hand, wow these cards are beautiful

[@teamcovenant]

It didn't really play like Magic at all for us. Avatar on board, undefended land, submerging units, positional strategy, separate land/spell decks, etc.

[@vaer-k]

@@teamcovenant OK, that sounds good. I'm still learning about it (watching the video now). I just saw: elements (colors) avatars (planeswalkers), original magic style art, even the name: sorcery (magic). Just seemed like a lot of parallels

[@sarblader]

You could just watch the video before commenting

[@KingBakura]

Don't think you can play Ogre goons, cuz cornerstone doesn't add mana. Zach only had 2 mana, and casted a 3 mana minion.

[@LukeDuf]

I was wondering the same but I think that It produces a coloreless mana. He has 2 fire mana and 1 colorless. The ogre juste need 1 fire so it's fine I think

[@hobbou7887]

For anyone wondering all sites provide 1 mana. The cornerstone just doesn't provide any affinity(fire, water,air,earth). The ogres only need 1 fire affinity and 3 mana which he had.

[@Clappincardboard]

Did they mention how many cards are in this first set?

[@teamcovenant]

400+ if memory serves.

[@gaddywalls1481]

The release date

[@Kurufinwe_Fayanaro]

I hope I remember to look back on this comment in 5 years. Crowdfunded, dead TCGs are a dime a dozen. Why do they happen, and which ones have stuck around or gained any traction at all? Why would you design and sell a random, lottery game in the modern era? Not to mention all the smaller TCGs or LCGs which hang on, which could use more players, like Exodus, Exceed, Star Realms, etc.

[@AdamJorgensen]

You could always set a Google Calendar event for yourself or something similar :-) As for the random booster approach, I guess while it's definitely true that it's kinda scummy it's also true that my best memories of MTG from when I was a kid are pre-release tournaments, etc played with random drafts, so I guess there is one thing that random booster type games are good for ;-)

[@TheKaijudist]

I don't get the appeal of Exodus. Tried it and thought it stunk on ice

[@alexserban276]

Yeah I really hate this business model. It's a tough pill to swallow.

[@qlcrane8019]

Are these cards the same size as MTG?

[@teamcovenant]

Yes.

[@opensound5761]

I am failing miserably to find a discord server to discuss this game. Help? I have a couple questions that are probably too early to ask but I'm already obsessing over this game. TIA

[@teamcovenant]

We have a channel for it in ours, here: discord.com/invite/dMcnx54 Not sure on the official!

[@joshwomack1954]

Can someone who missed the Kickstarter still get in on this game?

[@teamcovenant]

Absolutely. The first set will be available on official "release". You can also sign up for our Sorcery subscription so that you are guaranteed to get Set 2 with our exclusive promo from Erik's Curiosa - cov.link/sorcery-subscription

[@JamesVWorld]

I'm not so sure about this one. Listening to the recent Covenant Podcast about this game, and in comparison to other recent games that TC has looked closely at/added to their store, it just doesn't seem to reach the bar that has been set previously. Skytear is an awesome game with engaged designers/publishers, a solid plan for the future including tie in games and awesome community engagement. FAB isn't for me but I appreciate that high bar of quality that TC seems to have set for it before diving in. The FAB team have solid plans for the future, and seeing the guys play it it is clear that the game is deep and enjoyable. Sorcery however seems paper thin in almost all regards. The designer will be making releases really far apart (because of the art) meaning the chances of a meta stall is super high. He says it's a game suitable for a games night with friends, but that seems to work against the idea of a TCG, with new and changing rules added with each set. The designer seems unsure about almost all aspects of the business and in the podcast the guys seemed to be driving the discussion as he was mostly talking about how grid games usually fail, low profit margins, and wanting to get a million on Kickstarter. He also says the game can be swingy because of strong unique cards and calls using them a 'feel good moment', but which sounds like a feel bad moment for your opponent (thinking of the groan when there's a board sweep in MTG) All in all it just doesn't seem to hit the bar of what TC has highlighted to us previously. Art might be great, but I don't think it will be enough to keep people interested in this game and keep them coming back for more.

[@teamcovenant]

Thanks for the detailed comment here, James! Here's a few points from our end: 1. Erik has monumental experience with Path of Exile. He's not good at marketing himself, but we have absolutely no concerns about his aptitude, business or otherwise, based on his experience and private conversations. 2. Thinking about the meta *at all* isn't where we find value in Sorcery. Four of us are splitting a case and having fun with it. If people want to get a full playset of everything and then grind out the *absolute best* competitive deck, they can. But that's not the audience or approach being cultivated by the publisher, and not the one we'll be taking. 3. "Game night with friends" can absolutely accommodate a TCG - that's kind of the point. That's what all TCGs were before the "tournament" focus became the expected standard. You're right in that this is a different kind of game. It's not aimed at super precise design with tournament meta games in mind (FAB). As we've said everywhere we've talked about it, this one is about re-capturing and improving the experiences that were happening in the mid-90s - that is, Magic before anyone knew what the Pro Tour was. If you're looking for a game that is going for the Big Three, with massive tournaments and exceedingly high attention to a competitive metagame, there are good options out there. Sorcery won't be for you, and that's totally fine.

[@teamcovenant]

One more thing to add to this going through YT comments this morning - this comment on our recent Lord of the Rings TCG throwback gets at the player type we are talking about: "[Watching these throwbacks] revamped my love for these older games where the focus was Theme and immersion over an engaging and competitive environment. I think in the last 15 years a lot of that focus was shifted to the Board games and Miniature market with the boom in that decade of high quality production compared to the 90's. Coming from someone who competed at Worlds for SW: Destiny and currently a PBA (bowling) member, i appreciate the competitive scene just as much as anybody, but there is a space in the customizable games market that still has not quite been filled in these last years, although the cooperative LCG/ECG's have come close. I absolutely love Ashes but it is just not the same feel. I could not even begin to imagine the possibilities if Marvel Champions was designed in the way that decipher approached their games just how immersive it could be compared to what it is now. I think there is definitely space for more games like the upcoming Sorcery TCG, and others where the focus is put back on immersion and FUN, rather than being designed to fit a model that suits Organized play as the space currently allows."

[@JamesVWorld]

@@teamcovenant Hey TC, thank you for the equally detailed reply. I can't wait to see where Sorcery TCG goes, even if I'm not joining in just yet it will be interesting to see where it goes. I suppose above all I'm just saying that since I started watching TC in the first week of the pandemic I have come to trust your judgement. Thanks for all you're doing, the videos and podcasts, and thanks for UK shipping (I am now the proud owner of all the mythos goodies).

[@ennis4078]

Well the art does look extremely good, and it seems pretty fun to play. Honestly though I think they do their game a disservice by focusing on it being old-fashioned rather than, well, high quality. I'd probably pick it up if it wasn't for the price tag; as a one-box game with a less ambitious amount of cards I'd have been sold.

[@teamcovenant]

We'd disagree with your assertion that they're focused on being "old-fashioned" instead of "high quality". Everything here screams "high quality".

[@carlosr6462]

It looks like a 90's card game but that doesn't mean it's not a high quality product. Looks fun and will gladly play it but I like my games to have lore or some background.

[@JasonD19736]

How can I afford this and FAB? 😳

[@teamcovenant]

Luckily, Sorcery is only 1-2 sets a year; and maybe you don't need it all! That's how we're approaching it.

[@joesolo1836]

completely right, Zach. as elder millennials, we have a unique perspective of remembering the pre-internet gaming and seeing the aftermath “So your grand play is a 1 cost camel?” Camels are a useful and majestic animal, Steven, and they will destroy all those who doubt their prowess !! Blue players are the worst. But it is due to cancels and counters. When blue is just because its water and not doing the typical blue hyper-control stuff. Steven, seeing that move you were thinking about, and that something like that is potentially possible; a wizard teleporting and dealing crazy damage, is awesome. Those types of plays in games are always so much fun to see and play!! The deck construction is fascinating; the more common the card, the less copies you can include. That is mindboggling to me and yet genius!! Steven, I hope the later is true about card creation that cards will be designed for the kitchen table gaming and if people break it competitively then so be it. I feel like I’ve been hearing about this game for a bit now and was on the fence. The art is truly gorgeous and a high selling point for the game. Seeing you two play it and hearing your commentary, definitely is pushing me over the edge on this game. Not to mention its a subscription so I wont even have to think about it when thr next installment is available, it'll just show up at my door!!

[@teamcovenant]

Joe we've got to get you access to our social channels so you can just post these comments directly haha.

[@joesolo1836]

I assume you mean like Discord or Twitter? I follow on Twitter and I'm on the TC server in Discord, just never actually posted or conversed there. I supposed I'l have to change my ways and get over there with these types of comments

[@mouimoiidk2130]

Best TCG, this is going to Moon 🌡️🔥👯🤫

[@Syne111]

Rolls a 4.. "What did you roll?" "uhh.. 5"

[@Polmax2312]

I cannot stop thinking how close this game design is to the classic version of Berserk tcg

[@teamcovenant]

Sounds like we need to get that one on the throwback list!

[@Gustavomazu]

this site mechanic is very very similar to the Japanese-exclusive "Monster Collection" from the 90's!

[@hamfastgamwich]

How does this game plan on getting away with using clearly copyrighted terms from Magic?

[@teamcovenant]

The industry as a whole has pretty much always agreed you can't copyright the act of "tapping" in any kind of legally defensible way. Maybe we'll find out!

[@BoredToBoard]

So I’m reading the rules and with words likes ‘mana’ and ‘tap 90 degrees to right’ seems like Eric is opening himself up to a potential lawsuit from WotC even if it is permissible as they can just force a lawsuit and make smaller game co that looks successful to fork out legal fees vs developing their product - I’ve seen this a few times over the years but I am not in the US and not a lawyer, just voicing some concern.

[@teamcovenant]

We'd put good money on nothing coming of that - do not think it would end in WOTC's favor, and it would reveal the emperor has no clothes. Most have speculated that legally protecting these terms, and similar facets of a game system, would not hold up in court.

[@BoredToBoard]

@@teamcovenant true and if interested you can read up on the Cryotozoic Hex TCG digital lawsuit which was settled but it doesn’t stop someone like wotc from bring about a lawsuit that you have to defend (with money)..tap and turn card 90degrees to the right is MTG (have t played in 20years) vs saying something like turn card 90degrees as this can be left or right. Regardless, I think it’s unlikely but just my 2c worth

[@tzera_rhuon]

I'm happy to see another game finally use 'tap' instead of exhaust/bow/rest etc

[@toxic_shr00m]

This game is an exact copy of "Quest For Dominion" btw, which started development over 6 years ago. Seriously do not support this game.

[@teamcovenant]

It doesn't look anything like Quest for Dominion, at least the one we found on KZbin. The Pokemon looking one? Having sites and playing things to those sites is a very common card game idea (Star Wars CCG, for instance) - just like having life totals and attacking each other with creatures is as well. There are tons of similar ideas, execution matters.

[@miracult]

@@KirohhQFD Is this for real? Im gonna have to look into this.

[@AzakiahIsYourOnlyGod]

Using Frank Frazetta's art is downright disrespectful. His art has been way overused. My God, did we really need Death Dealer's image on yet another item? Since he painted it in 1973, it has been on trading cards, comic books, t shirts and playing cards

[@teamcovenant]

It's not disrespectful. It was a desired partnership. --Our project had a strong focus on the art and aesthetics from the very beginning, and this conviction has only gotten stronger with time. Our appreciation for hand-painted art and the special feelings it evokes naturally led to collaborations with the legendary artists we now work with" says Founder Erik Olofsson, former Creative Director at Grinding Gear Games (Path of Exile) "When it comes to seminal fantasy art, nothing is more iconic than the work of Frank Frazetta. Bringing this into the trading card game space was a personal dream come true. We are delighted to have reached an agreement which will showcase Frazetta's art in the way it was always intended to be appreciated, by the biggest fans of the genre he helped create." Sara Frazetta, granddaughter of Frank Frazetta and owner of Frazetta Girls LLC was delighted to announce the partnership. "Erik's Curiosa was our choice for a licensee who approaches our body of work in the way we feel it should be handled, to elevate our property and position it with Frank Frazetta’s biggest fans. We are delighted that iconic pieces such as Death Dealer and Egyptian Queen will come to life in Sorcery: Contested Realm for fans of collectable card games.” “To see the Kickstarter achieve funding of over $1,000,000 USD at this early stage, is an incredible achievement. We can't wait to see the reactions from the community when we introduce Frank's art to this incredible project."

[@AzakiahIsYourOnlyGod]

@@teamcovenant "Sarah was delighted to announce the partnership" I'm $ure $he was!!! Why not whore out more of dad's art and beat the Death Dealer's horse

[@CrosswaIk]

He was a commercial artist 😂

[@Orion126126]

This game is gonna be so unbalanced

[@opiate05]

I saw TC posting about this game on twitter before the KS launch. So I went to the website and checked it out, along with the "how to play" video. Hands down the worst how to play video I've ever seen. Took me several tried to get through it. I walked away feeling worse about this game and TC for promoting it. I would highly recommend deleting that video, editting this TC video down a bit and reuploading to the website.

[@SorceryTCG]

Done! (Minus the editing part but I made it start right as they get into it.)

[@lystic9392]

A more official how to play video and rules intro video would be very welcome. I would almost say essential. I think they are working on this. (Early days.)

[@teamcovenant]

Sorcery may indeed call for an old fashioned, produced, "How to Play" video that is tighter and more focused on mechanics - ala the Netrunner series.

[@opiate05]

@@SorceryTCG The response to my comment shows the dedication of this team to make a good product and it turned me from walking away from this one to buying a case of boosters, a set of starters and sign up for TC's subscription. Thank you for making this game and caring about its delivery and the community behind it.

[@DestructoDot]

You guys are probably getting sued, I'd stop referring to them as spells, and action as tapping. HEX got sued for this before.

[@psilo8702]

lol you clown, completely different situations, and besides lots of game use spells and describe using cards as ''tapping''.

[@CrosswaIk]

😂

[@Gnarrkhaz]

I'm not particularly impressed from what i've seen thus far. Drawing at the beginning of your turn instead of at the end is an outdated method of drawing, the cards themselves don't seem to have many interesting effects, basing the avatars around elements is plain boring, and worse of all the rules language is unclear. This is bound to create problems as the card pool grows with time. The cards don't even say what kind they are. And yes, the art is good as far as polar bears and angler fish go, which aren't interesting creatures to play. Oh, but i do like that the lands come from a seperate deck.

[@lystic9392]

The rules are currently at version 0.3 and they are working on them full time to make them more clear and complete. Right now there are legitimately some things simply not in the rules. (For instance that besides Ranged attacks, most spells cannot cross the Void.) I think it's the part of the game that needs the most attention, at a high priority. I really like this game and if I have the energy I will make sure, somehow, that there will be clear rules for this game. If not me, I am sure considering the love for this game there will be others who will clarify any major rule questions with the designers and get it documented. The cards do say what kind they are. It's in the typeline. So if it says 'Ordinary Mortal Beasts of magnificent grace,' it's an Ordinary rarity, a Beast, and a Mortal. And if a card says 'Earth guides the flow of Water in one Elite Site,' it's an Elite Site, -an Earth Site and a Water Site- . !!Error!! I had to correct myself here: The element(s) of the site is determined by the type(s) of threshold it gives you. So a site giving you a water threshold is a water site, no matter if the typeline mentions it. The avatars you see here are the 4 avatars exclusive to the preconstructed decks. In the set you'll find many other avatars. But don't expect them to be the star of the show like in FaB. They have a unique trait and that's pretty much it. For instance you have an avatar that gives you a threshold in every element from the start to play with. So you can more easily build a functional deck that uses 3+ elements with that one, or play very high threshold cards more easily. It's more like a Console card in Netrunner. It gives a hint to what your deck is wanting to do. Whether the effects of the cards are interesting is subjective, right? I respect that and I think that's a very personal thing. One of the main reasons that I am interested in this game (besides the style) is because I think the effects of the cards are lovely and wild. There are cards that are tethered to the site they are played on and can be let loose. There are cards that grow in size and strength as they move. Spells that can bounce between targets if you can keep paying for it. Minions that move Sites. Sites that only have space for one ground minion. And a lot of these effects can be used in ways someone might not initially expect. The grid together with submerge and burrowing leads to new interesting decisions for me, but perhaps that's because I haven't played as many card games as maybe you have.

[@teamcovenant]

Hah, it's funny how much we disagree with this having played Sorcery quite a bit - so many of the effects are remarkably interesting and game-changing. Might just not be the right one for you!

[@yrusomad6]

@@teamcovenant There is no justification for mechanisms from the 90s in the 20s. Drawing at the beginning of a turn is a sign of a really really bad game design.

[@jasonjanisewski78]

@@yrusomad6 Not totally true, it depends on the type of cards that they intend to design. For example, some games have hand disruption strategies. If you draw at the end of the turn, that means you could lose that draw to disruption before you even get a chance to play it. Or, imagine if they design some cards that gain bonuses/effects while your hand it empty. If you draw at the end of your turn, those cards would never have their effects enabled on your opponents turn. Drawing at the beginning of a turn can enable entire archetypes that would not exist if the draw phase was end of turn.

[@hamfastgamwich]

@@yrusomad6 Had a good laugh at this. Very close minded approach to game design on your part

[@xlnt2new]

PoE is far superior to D3 in every direction and there are no steps taken back - what the hell are rumbling about?