IONIQ 5 N: Tech deep-dive with an R&D engineer | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@OrionDC]

Bought my 5N in abyss black a month ago. It’s an excellent daily and backroad monster. Great interview. Thanks!

[@mattyoz0]

2.2 ton back road monster 😂

[@DrewsTurbo]

@@mattyoz0I’d love to hear the feedback from your drive of the Ioniq 5 N. I’ll wait.

[@brc1794]

I've seen a lot of people say that electric cars aren't fun. Obviously it won't be as much fun as an ICE car. So what should we do? Hyundai Motor Company has come up with a good proposal, although it is not a perfect answer. At least until now, no automaker has come up with an offer as good as this one. It's okay if you don't accept this offer. Instead, let’s support their attitude. A better offer may come to us later.

[@dezza718]

What do you mean it won't be as fun as an ice car? Rubbish

[@simoncrooke1644]

​@@dezza718I agree. It seems to me that it's possible to enjoy the different 'fun' aspects of ICEVs and EVs. Why does it always have to be one versus the other?

[@waynerussell6401]

Tesla 3P has been racing for a long time and is $20k cheaper and runs similar performance. 3PLudicrous will beat it. "Annoyingly the Tesla Model 3 Performance is Spectacular. Okay you heard it here first, the (BMW) M3 has no reason to exist because the (Tesla) M3P is better." Cammisa. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6nNYYVqgt53nqc

[@wayde4192]

Impressive car and interview. Hats off to that young fella .

[@AutoExpertJC]

He's an impressive chap.

[@JeremyWicht]

What an impressive young Aussie auto engineer. Great talk.

[@AutoExpertJC]

He is good talent - for sure. He'll go a long way.

[@ursodermatt8809]

i am pretty sure hyundai bribed the self proclaimed auto expert to not say negative things about EV's

[@밝은빛-i5d]

​@@ursodermatt8809Cut the crap.

[@AnthonyGriz]

I still don't wan't an EV personally, however, I can 100% appreciate all the work and technology that has gone into making such a siliconised vehicle. Kudos to all involved.

[@AutoExpertJC]

In the abstract, it's impressive.

[@waynebernitt2806]

Without doubt the best conversation about an EV . Extremely impressive young Aussie. Great work.

[@brad.cooper]

I love my 5N. It makes no sense at all, least of all financially, but it's properly bonkers, amazingly customisable, and just a load of fun every time you drive it. Your analogy of the "fake bits" couldn't be expressed better!

[@myeverythingworld8123]

My 5N is still at the factory

[@pstarke1066]

The Synthesizer is also instruments that was initially made to mimic the sound of the piano.

[@IoniqIonityIonna]

It's the only track e suv in that segment. Why no sense?

[@brad.cooper]

@@IoniqIonityIonna it makes no sense that a 2.2T car can do what it does! Also the idea of faking a gear box makes no sense to me - but don't get me wrong, I'm so glad that it does and I find myself using it all the time.

[@MattBlack6]

Uncle Doug is right. If every performance EV maker doesn't do this from now on, they've lost

[@jimgraham6722]

Ear buds via Bluetooth so rest of us don't have to put up with it.

[@peglor]

Hopefully they're able to turn all that crap off so people who understand how electric power is supposed to be delivered can get the best performance from it too. Too many petrol heads come across as 5 year olds saying 'car go vroom', even when it doesn't need to and it's slower because of it.

[@timcollier264]

I have to disagree. I have a performance EV and it has one of the fake engine stuff and its great fun. You have the get past you don't have a petrol engine and accept my car has 670nm at any revs and that has a joy all of its own.

[@lordgoofus2364]

@@peglor It can be turned off. Or changed to sound like a jet turbine, or this other quite strange sound that was added purely for the lols. It's also possible to turn off the external speaker so the only people that hear the noise are the occupants in the car. No need to be a hater because it makes simulated ICE noises.

[@leisuresuitlaz1710]

Don't think so, the fastest ev in the world the Rimac Nevera only has the one gear like most EVs

[@confuzsays7196]

Fantastic interview. Enjoyed that one. Thumbs up.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thank you.

[@kiwiklogg]

I love that they had the guts to implement all that fakery to make it more fun. We're simple creatures :)

[@AutoExpertJC]

Me too. You've encapsulated the whole point.

[@MegaWilderness]

Let's have one with 3 pedal driving

[@peglor]

Provided you can also turn the fake gearbox off to get the best lap times out of it too. Driving with fake flappy paddle gear shifts is great fun, but it doesn't give you the best the car can do, and doing back to back laps with gear shifts and without them would add a whole other dimension to playing with it on the track. Same story with CVTs - sure they sell better when they behave in a familiar way, especially the mass market stuff where most of the customers have no idea what they're buying, but anyone who understands how they work sees it as deliberately not playing to the advantages the system was designed to have over gearboxes in the first place, in both efficiency and performance.

[@MegaWilderness]

@@peglor We care more about fun than performance. This is not a race car

[@GuitarsRockForever]

​@@peglor If it was made to be racing car, then yes. If it was made to be pure fun, then it's different story.

[@deancleavesmith]

Fascinating. Great interview and its awesome to see local intellect involved in such an exciting engineering project.

[@taxus750]

Great interview with someone who (for want of a better expression) knows his onions. In a market like EVs where every manufacturer is (or pretends to be) deeply dead serious, I salute this bloke and his team, and Hyundai.

[@AutoExpertJC]

It's very brave to put someone like him on camera with someone like me.

[@swyang68]

What an amazing achievement! Hyundai is now beating Porsche MB and BMW!

[@mattyoz0]

How so?

[@pwrrpw319]

@@mattyoz0 Well for one thing, your guaranteed of going through more water pumps , in a n ICE BMW than an Ioniq ! :).

[@mattyoz0]

@pwrrpw319 not one of my BMW's needed a water pump. Tell me you know nothing about modern BMW's without telling me you know nothing. If they were so unreliable, why would I be about to own my 4th one. Zero problems and Zero servicing cost. I'll enjoy my 2025 390kw M4 xdrive. You enjoy dreaming about 2.2 ton buses 🚌 that pretend they're an ICE vehicle.

[@pwrrpw319]

@@mattyoz0 My apologies mate I just was having a dig,, I knew I would get a rise out of you, and your right Ive never owned one & they do seem like a nice car, until they go wrong, as BMW's are known for all kinds of plastic plumbing going wrong after they hit the 100k mark, but there are plenty of other cars with similar issues & these days if timing chains need to be replaced, its engine out & so much plastic that just breaks, I believe Hyundai has a more favorable reliability score than BMW, & certainly Waaaaay better than Merv's, & an electric car like the Hyundai needs little servicing & should be waaaaay more reliable, in theory than an ICE BMW or any other ICE car for that matter, with much less to go wrong!, that was my main point.

[@kenyaswallow5782]

@@mattyoz0 lol imagine m4 getting smoked by this 2.2 ton bus

[@maxheadroom7687]

this was amazing John, so interested about all the Engineering that went into this beast! What a great idea interviewing this young chap! Loved it mate!

[@CheapCheerful]

Bought my Hyundai i30N Performance on John's recommendation. One of the best cars I've ever owned. Sold it after 5 good years, zero issues. Hyundai make a great car. Yes I drive an evil EV now, made by the biggest dkhead on the planet, but I don't care what the haters think, nor what powers it. It's an objectively fun 4.4 seconds, and a technical marvel for a tech-head like me.

[@g6et_wrx177]

Loved the interview between engineers. This was awesome!

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thank you.

[@bordersw1239]

I’m only here for the bot comments - they’re just so beautifully poetic. Watched a few videos of the 5N - nothing that weight or shape should corner like it does.

[@Pops1948]

America still can't do it

[@pensiveidea]

What an absolutely fascinating conversation, more of these please.

[@HarmLessSolutionsNZ]

+1 on that. This and the recent interviews with the ReDriven guys have been a welcome change from the previously abusive boofhead version of John. I may drop by from time to time to see if the persona change sticks.

[@danielrinaldi1371]

Great interview! Loved the engineering aspect. He answered the questions really well

[@J-nl3ly]

This is the most interesting conversation about EV to date. I thought the lower center-of-mass is just good but I just learned that it brings another difficulty in pitch control. The fact that a washer can make a difference at the performance car stage blows me away! Wow.

[@davidbarnsley8486]

And who says engineers are dull and boring What an amazing young man and You are not to bad either John Hyundai is right on it at the moment hey

[@pensiveidea]

Isn't it just incredible what can emerge when the engineers are empowered to design instead of the bean counters and marketing department.

[@1949cr]

I think you will find in business almost all problems are caused by the reverse. Techies running programs developing things for end consumers. I've been in market research for car manufacturers. I can assure you it's engineers that screw up the process

[@pensiveidea]

@@1949cr Thank you, that is very interesting. I've been wondering about that, especially with what's happened to Boeing. At first glance it appears to be engineering vs bean counters, but as is often the case, it's just not that simple. Perhaps delving deeper into this could establish a methodology where the different forces play in harmony as opposed to any one department having veto power.

[@peglor]

@@pensiveidea I don't think anyone looking at the Boeing scandals thinks it's not a problem with bean counting (Or rather sociopaths who love money far more than any concept of ethics - cost engineering is a very important part of making products better when done right). Boeing saved money by firing their highly experienced, highly qualified engineers, literally outsourcing most of their engineering to unqualified but much cheaper companies in the far east, becase in a competitive labour market you actually have to pay serious money to get decent engineers. You could say the engineering problem was a lack of engineers, but that would be misrepresenting what they're doing quite dramatically, when the real problem was not being profitable enough rather than not being profitable. This, combined with the FAA being underfunded and mostly rubber stamping whatever Boeing told them, allowed it to get as far as it did. As for market research being the good thing and engineers messing it all up in the car industry, that's unfortunately exactly what I would expect to hear from someone who works in marketing and doesn't understand that engineering is limited by the laws of physics, not by peoples random wishes in surveys. Engineers are victims of their own success in the automotive world - it's not easy to make 2 tonnes of steel do 200 km/h so smoothly and safely that the average driver won't immediately kill themselves doing it, but modern cars, in fact cars from 20 years ago in many cases, have made it an underwhelming experience. Also, where in the market research did consumers request that cars collect as much data about everything their 'owners' do to send back to the car companies without telling them. I put owner in inverted commas because while they paid for it, they don't own the car - anything with on the air updates can be bricked remotely at the whim of the manufacturer. I don't think consumers clamoured for that one either but they're getting it whether they like it or not.

[@jeppo1185]

yep...I'm getting Lexus LFA vibes

[@dylanwebb9584]

@@pensiveidea No, no! As Douglas Adams might infer: Market Researchers should be left to run the planet. Thank you Ford Prefect.

[@ianw0000]

Thanks

[@maifantasia3650]

Waking up, at the crack of noon, in a seedy, downtown Bangkok hotel room, sans trousers, is a blessing. A blessing when compared to waking up, early evening, in the same hotel room, in a bathtub full of ice, sans a kidney.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yes - there are worse alternatives...

[@MrInnerwestie]

I went to school with Tim and he is certainly a bright bloke. I upgraded from a i30 Sedan N to a I5N and what a massive step. Speaking to John at a certain carpark about the I5N swayed me to buy one. I may not be able to run the same laptimes at a small track like Luddenham compared to the Sedan but I am sure I will cut a couple of seconds off at SMSP.

[@dougstubbs9637]

What a turnaround, John! Next thing, you will be signing up for a Kia map of Tasmania ute. Or praising Vee Bubb. Liking a Defender. Dropping the sarcasm. Wanting to promote Net Zero ! Turning the world on it’s head. I can’t keep up. Cheers.

[@AutoExpertJC]

I might be preggers with Elon's baby...

[@dumbasses_R_us]

​@@AutoExpertJCnah, you're just an honest guy who doesn't let any prejudice or preconceived notions stop you from telling it how it really is like a true Aussie ❤️

[@andoletube]

@@AutoExpertJC Matter/antimatter conversion will soon take care of that.

[@dougstubbs9637]

@@AutoExpertJCjust was wondering when you will buy a caravan and head out to Dingo Piss Creek ?

[@mcmoose64]

For fuck sake John , that's an image I didn't need in my head . I hope you used IVF.​@@AutoExpertJC

[@karl6203]

Great video, John. This is my new daily driver and it is an amazing vehicle.

[@AutoExpertJC]

So stealth... Congrats!

[@ultimablackmage]

Hyundai should take a stand & bring back the wagon & panel van!

[@lucifersatan8968]

Sin bin. 😉

[@MrDrifterNL]

and the Tiburon / Coupe

[@thomasclayton169]

Yep ud love them to a do shooting brake or sportswagon shape that would appease us holden fans who love their sportswagons and earlier versions. For me my 2013 VF SV6 sportswagon is a keeper 200,000km still super reliable and a great all rounder.

[@jeppo1185]

@@lucifersatan8968yep.....with a nice "barrel" painted on the side

[@humanform5354]

That's a step too far 😂😂😂

[@rabidsminions2079]

With the sideways burnout now the Ionic 5 will wear the bogan label that Commodores and Falcons were previously called.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Summernats here we come.

[@Low760]

No. Focus rs's didn't.

[@jasoncee666]

But the bogan folks will beat the car and driver before it makes it to the burnout pad 😂

[@theairstig9164]

I remember John Cadogan talking about Ford Focus RS drift mode. I seem to remember this and a conversation about the Ford Mustang line lock mode being anti social. Are these the same or different?

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

@@theairstig9164 Quite different. Hyundai isn't advocating any kind of drifting on public roads. That's why they've taken it to a track. Having a readily available feature that, upon engaging it, is breaking the road rules (and endangering the public) is something entirely different. Also the Focus RS was an unreliable shitbox.

[@stevemcintyre4398]

I think it's amazing that not to long ago Hyundai's were the cheap and cheerful auto maker to go to, much like the Chinese cars now. Here we are 20 years down the track and Hyundai are making desirable, reliable and well built cars easily as good as JDM's. Whether they are ICE or EV, they've done a bloody good job IMO.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Making this car do that is a real technical achievement.

[@seanong83]

I’d argue better than JDMs now when considering the prices their competitors eg Type R and Corolla GR are charging. I have a Ltd Ed fastback N myself. In manual.

[@fteoOpty64]

​@@AutoExpertJCdon't you know, the designer was the original German head of the BMW M Division?. That German bloke has been given a free hand to make the N performance oriented cars. No so much the for Cushy sedans with marshmallow suspension. This Ionic N is the M3 and M4 (that's BMWs not teslas) killer. Customers from UK and US are booking these in a hurry... Oh, it's the only EV that can do TWO laps of the Nurbergring track on a full charge without any battery throttle downs!!!.

[@damienauto8350]

The Chinese cars are developing 2-4x faster than the Korean's did. Interesting times.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yeah. AB is an industry legend.

[@donfinch862]

Great interview and bloody interesting. Thanks John

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thank you, Don.

[@MrBigblock78]

Only fake boobs are the ones I am imagining now. If they exist and can be touched, then they aren't fake. They can be called man-made but not fake. 😂

[@AutoExpertJC]

It's a colloquialism...

[@trevornewman1462]

I think the expression is slang, not a colloquialism dudddddddddddddddddddddd

[@alichamas63]

@@trevornewman1462 I think you need an "e" on the end, my dude

[@trevornewman1462]

@@alichamas63 there are duds and dudes duuuuuude

[@clasdauskas]

They exist, but they aren't boobs - they just look like boobs. Therefore, man-made substitutes/accessories, but fake boobs.

[@jcfallows]

Honesty John Honesty! You call out the crap and the great whatever it is. I appreciate that from your channel soo much!

[@AndieBlack13]

When all of us as little boys made our " VvRoom vroom " sounds under our breath as we played...it has come full-circle...

[@gusr6]

Awesome video. Great work once again JC!

[@garageblitztv3215]

Thank you to Kia for supporting Australian smart/skilled jobs.

[@5lcalais1]

It's a Hyundai lol

[@garageblitztv3215]

@@5lcalais1 IMHO, I really don’t mind if it’s Tesla, Kia, Toyota, Mazda or an EV bike company … if they are willing to provide smart/skilled careers for our country and future generations, then I’m very happy. I would have thought that someone who enjoys the long past skills of Australian Mechanical Engineers, in driving a Ford XR6, that you would understand the importance and value of education, skills and quality careers - otherwise we just end up a country of bogans. Fortunately Ford Australia still has a local design and engineering team who lead the development of the Ranger, Ranger Raptor, and Everest − vehicles sold in approximately 180 markets globally. Quality smart/skilled jobs for Australians.

[@cvwagon]

@@5lcalais1Kia and Hyundai are basically conjoined twins, sharing much of their manufacturing

[@yootoobvyooer]

Australia sent troops to protect Korea from commies in 1950s. They are sending love to those who saved Korea from slavery called communism/socialism. Thank you Australia.

[@mefobills279]

​@@yootoobvyooerPlease explain the Nordic Socialist countries and their slavery.

[@CNile-se9xw]

I reckon a de-badged one in white would be the ultimate stealth car to shatter a few wanker EV egos. I love that the driving is so customisable. You can put it in economy/granny mode for less adventurous or bogged-down heavy traffic commutes. Any other mode would be sheer fun/exhilarating. On track days, unlock balls out performance without fear of battery throttling, thanks to the sophisticated battery cooling. I'm 73 & the Ioniq N would be my backlist splurge if I had the (FUN)ds.

[@5lcalais1]

Or straight black tinter 👌🤣 in saying that owing a black car in Melbourne it's a friggen nightmare to keep clean lol

[@karlajensen100]

Get a Tesla 3 performance Ultimately quicker albeit for less laps and $30k less coin. I have the older 2022 3p and it's absolutely the ultimate daily and indeed quicker than the ioniq5n on the street. Being a sedan vs an SuV it costs less in tyres to the tune of $1500 a set of tyres

[@CNile-se9xw]

@@karlajensen100, please be quiet. You are the prime example of EV wanker that I referred to in my post. Your Tesla infatuation is comically stupid and irrelevant in a video about mindblowing tech and fun factors encapsulating the Ioniq N.

[@CNile-se9xw]

@@karlajensen100 You are a prime example of EV wanker that I mentioned in my original post. For $30k more than you paid for your Tesla 3p, you'd get an entertaining machine that is involving, fun, and bristling with tech & drive mode options. I'd spend the extra $30k on the Ioniq 5N just for its superior battery cooling and handling capabilities, and I doubt whether I'd be alone. Your wet dream is fast, but that's it. They're pumped out like confetti, have no soul, have shocking build quality, and have killer depreciation.

[@yootoobvyooer]

​@@karlajensen100Tesla 3 performance is boring. You have to try 5N to understand why, especially drift modem .

[@thefreakshow83]

What about the new model performance 2024.how does that compare to this car.

[@0brn0]

Thoroughly fascinating account and interview. As an aged games developer its great to listen to another industries take on "fun" ,"feedback" and "feel". Cant help but recognise the similarities in approach and outcomes. Respectively acknowledging the stakes might be just a touch higher for Tim if he gets it wrong :D

[@JoeOvercoat]

if one looks at the pressure distribution on the plate under a nut when will observe that it is cruciform unless there is a washer. With the washer in place the pressure distribution is what one intuitively expects: a largely even pressure distribution under the contact area.

[@Mark_Wolton]

Do more of this John. Top shelf

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thanks Mark. Will do.

[@robertchapman6795]

Does it come in a manual V8, with a sleek two door coupe body, or tough four door sedan?

[@greggee5695]

What a fantastic young bloke! So talanted and swictch on, if only we had a car industry, we certainly have the engineering talent in this country.

[@sqd8r]

Not sure what I'm more jealous of, the talent, the incredible opportunities, or the hair, and I'm rocking a full 70's afro, dude.

[@peterbronxsidetrack1238]

Good video, great interview, with an articulate, talented fella. Yeah, enjoyed this one from falsies to facts

[@randyrai1970]

I am very interested in this car however a couple things that US market does not get is a heads up display, and sunroof. And John was spot on about the three sounds the car produces. We love the ignition sound mimicking a four-cylinder N model but the other two sounds are awful IMHO. I wish the additional Sounds they would add are a V6 turbo, V8 or V12. Those would be ideal and fun for a daily commute Maybe they will add them in a software update in the future!!! Then it’s a done deal for me to trade in my KIA Stinger GT2 !!

[@RodneyW]

As a hoon at heart.. what Hyundai has done with their "N" cars - ICE and... cough.. EV... is pretty damned impressive. Your overview of the brilliance of the "fake" ICE sound and gearing characteristics in the IONIQ 5 N, reminds me of the old SEGA game "Daytona USA". It was an absolute hoot to play, had speakers right behind the seats, and if you selected the right view, you could even imagine that you were there! It even bogged down if you upshifted to early... This is finally a way to surpass that game in real life..... The whole discussion is pretty awesome.... but your discussion about the discharge rate (to output 478kW with an 84 kWh battery) was absolutely fascinating. I am curious, how many laps can you get at full noise on the track before needing to recharge? The regeneration from braking at 800 volts must put a fair bit of energy back in. I wonder how many CPU's this machine is running?!

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thank you. Probably 50+ CPUs in total.

[@jasoncee666]

Ohhh yeah and Daytona was a bit arcade like compared to Sega Rally back in the day. Those machines robbed me of thousands of $2 coins before the real home simulators became available 🤭

[@javelinXH992]

@@jasoncee666Daytonnnnnaaaaaaaaaa!

[@Donster888]

This is bloody good, car and the conversation!

[@DazzaOnGoogle]

This is a really interesting video. The scale of what has to happen is staggering. The idea of a "damping team" really brings home the cost and complexity of vehicle development.

[@eunu6928]

More impressive is that John say something positive about EV :)

[@peterkenchington985]

Great interview. Shows Hyundai's approach at hiring talent and pushing the boundaries by allowing the exploration of ideas through engineering really pays off. I was a fan of the ioniq 5 when it was first released with the innovations, range look smaller than it really is styling etc etc. Then horoughly pissed off by the stupid postcode exclusion non buying policy they had originally on the batch relesse sales model followed by the stupid pay to test drive bs. So just ignored it completely since. But now this N model..... it's an impressive consideration. Now just have to figure out how to pay for one....

[@mobileroto]

It takes a special kind of deviant... Great coversation! I'd love you tu have a chat with the guys of The Carmudgeon Show! Cheers from Argentina!

[@vincenta1652]

Your emotion based comparison of the EV’s fake ICE driving mode to a pair of high quality fake breasts is simply epic, you truly understand the depth of what it means to be a true sport car driving enthusiast.

[@iampennochio]

478kw, 0-100km 3.4sec, top speed 260km/h. That's bike time/speed but my old bike weighed 200kg. I enjoyed the washer fix story too. 👍

[@AutoExpertJC]

It's a proper supercar...

[@phoneticau]

DC 500kW from the battery thats insane rate like flat in 10 min

[@theairstig9164]

@@phoneticaua Tesla model 3 SR+ gets along at about 30-33kw on the highway for two to three hours. But the motor is 190kw. Full tilt would/will overheat the battery in 6 minutes. Forget depletion. 500kw is only used for seconds at a time not minutes

[@5lcalais1]

Shame it's limited to 260klms ,with that power it could be easily capable of 350klmh ,it'll be intentionally limited so I doubt you'd be able to change it. Put it up against any performance ice car with same power to weight (say a supra) and watch the supra sail past once the 5n hits that 260 limit and on a track day at some tracks that's very possible speeds ,some cars routinely hit 300 at eastern creek ,hell there's a gtr that trapped 190mph up that straight at roll racing lol granted it has 1500hp lol Not hating it ,just a shame it's limited. Hell even my 500hp fg xr6t could hit 300 on a big enough straight 🤔👌

[@AutoExpertJC]

You can't really apply 478kW for 10 minutes...

[@Jorgie000]

If the Hyandai sales dept doesnt start officially comparing the fake combustion sounds to a lovely pair of fake knockers, it'll be a disgrace.

[@AutoExpertJC]

We should start a petition.

[@jamesgage1365]

subscribed ! Great takes and discussion.

[@rodolfosoto2960]

The most impressive thing to me it's not the 474kw but been able to apply it that frequently. 2nd comes the cornering of that rhino, I mean wtf.

[@mikelastname]

25:19 - that is such an important point. For those of us that have mechanical sympathy and drive by the seat of our pants, we need all the extra feedback (aside from accel changes) that we have become accustomed to or driving feels so disengaging we can't be bothered paying attention. BTW, this makes a nice change from some of your rants - that you can appreciate the technology and engineering and still call BS as needed is what makes your content interesting.

[@radinz1]

It will be like excitement with the latest iPhone - I am waiting for ioniq 6N , ioniq 7N

[@Ktmfan450]

NVision 74 looks like a futuristic cyberpunk delorean

[@Spoonfed78]

A confusing comment, the iPhone is close to the same thing year on year, this is not that.

[@oneeleven9832]

Well done proper journalism…when something goes against your beliefs hold your hands up..well done. Gotta say it’s intriguing i want to drive one now…sounds like it could be a benchmark car for Supercar manufacturers..if were actually forced down this road.

[@skycladdy]

There is still one issue. No heeltoeing possible. Add a fake third pedal and a fake gear nob! (I just love doing this stuff: heel toe, revmatching, double clutching). Otherwise super impressive!

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Only 0.0001% of drivers heel and toe. Useless waste of many for Hyundai to invest in that.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Dual-clutch transmissions in ICE cars don't have a clutch pedal. They're faster than any manual. Heel-toeing is unnecessary even in an i20 N thanks to the computer controlled rev-matching, which is better than any driver, in all situations. Time to move on.

[@walsakaluk1584]

So, there we have it. A software defined automobile. It looks like a fun ride that can also do daily driving. If it could physically morph it would be a Transformer. On the subject of fun, how is the rear handbrake function implemented and presented to the driver?

[@tjroelsma]

In a way implementing what some already call "an enhanced sound system" makes a lot of sense: people actually feel that a car is much faster when it simulates having a high revving ICE. This has been scientifically tested and proven with a bog-standard hatchback that overlayed the engines sounds with the sounds of a much higher revving rally-/racecar. People who drove the car with the "enhanced sound" on really thought they were driving much faster than they did without the system. Car manufacturers have known for quite some time that sound is an important part of the driving experience, so some of them have a specialized team that tweaks and tunes the exhaust system to make the noise more pleasant sounding.

[@walsakaluk1584]

Opening your window when you come off the freeway and onto a speed restricted road introduces noise that changes your perception of speed. Nobody likes to get a speeding ticket. This slows you down gently. Oh, that crawling feeling.

[@steveasher9239]

simply and emphatically COOL!!

[@chrissmith2114]

An 800 volt EV battery and a 400 volt EV battery with same KWH energy storage would be same physical size, because the both need same number of cells, but with more connected in series on the 800 volt battery. The thing is that the wiring could be smaller for same power because at 800 volts the current would be half - 400 KW at 400 volts would be 1000 amps, but 400kw at 800volts is 500 amps...

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yes. Ohm approves of your comment.

[@Deliquescentinsight]

I know that current generation electric motors are fearsome, and can out-perform internalized combustion engine torque values, and this specific model of Hyundai is quite different to my Getz 1.6 slightly sporty road car, but I just don't like battery powered cars! My bad with this prejudice

[@oldbloke100]

are they the same car's that got written off because of a small indentation on the battery cover, the manufacturer wanted $60000 to replace the battery, so the insurance company wrote the cars off.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Is that BS story that worries you about this EV>

[@oldbloke100]

@@JohnLee-db9ztlook it up dopey, there is 2 were the battery cover was damaged, no one would touch it and they wrote the cars off.

[@murderdoggg]

Great analogy, good vibrations

[@GuitarsRockForever]

The fake gear change and engine sound seem super cool & fun. That's the whole point of this car, a car for fun. It would be nice to take it on racing (I can dream).

[@YouShouldThink4Yourself]

How would it fare at Bathurst?

[@AutoExpertJC]

No idea. Poorly, probably.

[@phoneticau]

@@AutoExpertJC couple of demo laps but what a show

[@g0fvt]

A great interview, intelligent discourse both ways.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thank you very much.

[@Mambey]

How much are they?

[@JT_771]

Definitely conflicted on this one. I don't like fake engine sounds, be it from ICE or EV. I don't like fake shifting either. This is all of both. BUT .... BUT, if it's good enough that it's still hella fun, does it matter? Part of me says, hell yes it still matters. But my more practical side says it doesn't ... not if it's still hella fun. Complex.

[@AndrewChandler-zp6nf]

I'm not exactly an EV fan but... Watching Mischa Charoudin take one of these IONIQ 5 N around the Green Hell looked like a bit of fun.

[@AutoExpertJC]

It's a proper supercar.

[@malsmith2012]

Agree.. I agree with the many commenters on his video that that video will help Hyundai sell heaps of them.. It's mind blowing that this thing leaves even Porsche's EVs for dead on the Nurburgring both with consecutive laps charging etc.. The fact the tyres on those cars looked as good as they did with no real extra wear issues after two laps at full tilt was just incredible.. I'm no EV fan but with the fake gear shifts, pops and bangs etc etc I'd love to have a drive of one..

[@paulkukula6541]

Good stuff John. Great content.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thank you.

[@nickgruzevskis8629]

Fantastic video, thanks John. As a current i30N owner, I'd love to own one (have a pair).

[@diydrivenGA]

Power - ✔️ Dynamics- ✔️ Fun- ✔️ Reliability - 🦗🦗🦗 Given the iCCU and 12v issue the normal I5 has seen (and other ev-hybrids) we are all waiting to see how they perform over 60k-100k miles

[@Prophet308]

Maintenance ???

[@lewisbrand]

From the video it looks like the IONIQ has quite a lot of understeer ?

[@mikemc330]

Great interview!

[@stuz32]

Love these intellectual conversations, keep them coming :-)

[@murrieteacher]

What a car! What an interview! What an opportunity! Now what do I have to sell to get one? Thanks John.

[@myeverythingworld8123]

100k 60k to replace battery not under warranty if raced on a track If you buy it you cannot use it for what it was built

[@seanmac3666]

Great interview guys - I'm not convinced on EV in the short term but happy to try to keep my mind open for the future....

[@radinz1]

- general question -Any conflict of interest with the brand or other brands ?

[@AutoExpertJC]

No.

[@rogerpearson9081]

I have lost interest in EVs but this car would lure me in as it sounds like a car you can enjoy punting and just driving. Kudos to the engineering team for chasing the intangible enjoyment rather than just the fastest or the quickest round the 'Ring. By just backing it off a bit you avoid the headline numbers that kill enjoyment like a harsh ride thanks to ridiculous tyre profiles and caterpillar cylinders for dampers. Dunno about the fake sounds but it probably would be helpful to judge cornering entry etc..Have to try it and see for myself. Great interview and an engineer that is interesting to listen to. Some great insights into Hyundai following in the footsteps of the MX 5 and avoiding a soul less committee engineered car

[@bbodybenny]

I probably wouldn't have admitted that John, but bravo for summoning the chutzpah to admit it.... Toothbrushes were cheap back then though, so I guess, no harm, no foul.

[@djm8027]

Looks good at least , doesn't have that ordinary rear end like the Kia EV 6 and way better looking than the model Y which kind of looks like a shoe on wheels.

[@zubinix]

The Tesla Model Y Performance is a similar vehicle. A family wagon that can also be lots of fun to drive. Goes like stink if you want it too or just put it in chill mode and doodle around town.

[@laeneel]

Well done John, enjoyed this interview heaps, sometimes we look down on the younger generation as mostly vacuous Insta/tiktok influencers and forget there are lots of bright skilled young people actually "doing".

[@raimonddeieso7433]

The major problems of new cars is the amount of tech that make a big problem when on of the systems fail this will be a night disaster to fix when things go south

[@AutoExpertJC]

So: like every other car.

[@karlajensen100]

Several thousand less bits that. An RS6... I have two Teslas - I can enter service mode myself and diagnose anything and everything myself. FK the dealers and their charges for diagnostics, I can. See it buy the part and fix it myself. That said with 218,000kms on my model S and 68,000 on my model3 I've had 0 issues and been able to upgrade to more modern features for peanuts. I can even upgrade my model S to 100kWh lifting it's power output from 435kW to 480kW it's not cheap but as a fully supported and warranted upgrade.... It's tough to beat from any manufacturer. Carbies and distributor long gone all cars need proper diagnostic tools these days

[@jimgraham6722]

Nah, just modules, they get swapped out

[@Luka_3D]

100% agree. I think you'd like how Aptera is handling this though. They want to go down the route of right to repair and want everyone to be able to repair everything on their cars

[@lingdinh4510]

How much?

[@johnnydingo8680]

Now that's an EV I would buy.

[@simonalexandercritchley439]

Amazing achievement considering it is a" lardy arse 2.2 ton family hatch".Could be the spiritual successor to the mighty Lancia Delta Integrale albeit it twice the size and weight, more than a passing resemblance in looks and attitude.

[@mjcmjc6428]

Man, this guy is funny!🤣🤣🤣

[@remiewatkins8032]

Great Video just loved it

[@phoneticau]

How does a ICE drivetrain vs EV motor/control/battery weight compare ??

[@AutoExpertJC]

Physics is very clear: kW = acceleration. (At any specific speed.)

[@jimgraham6722]

TM3 1680Kg, BYDAtto3 1740Kg Holden VE Commodore 1720Kg

[@CM-lf9gk]

Sign me up the wife would never know, just a nice pretty blue with red highlights. A sensible budget sedans darling, works out cheap when plugged into the solar & Tesla power-wall every night. Told you it would save on those big power bills and it’s green pedigree certainly not as snobby looking as the girls Teslas at the golf and tennis clubs!

[@michaelan9688]

Nice interview

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thank you.

[@Kawasakifreak1]

Tyre life ?

[@alanchatfield4271]

This was my idea many years ago,, they can give you a gear stick and introduce turbo lag etc, the system set up is all available,, I just wish I had received some money for my idea