Lehigh Extreme, Underwood Extreme and the like ammo has brought the 380acp, Short Barrel 9mm, Short Barrel 45acp, and 38spl Snubs to life. 13-17 inches in Ballistic test.
@oldsol18 жыл бұрын
Love the channel and tests. As a vet myself i'm sure we have both heard every expletive ever invented but I really appreciate your professionalism in keeping that in check and thus produce videos I will let my kids watch.
@WhiteTrashTennessee Жыл бұрын
Right cause violence and guns is holy but better not say a bad word cause some book written by chews
@teller1290 Жыл бұрын
@@WhiteTrashTennesseenothing wrong with guns in and of themselves. They're inanimate objects, if you haven't noticed. Violence can be a sin but then again violence (war/home defense) can be necessary to prevent evil from winning the day. If these two points aren't obvious to you (and igmo that thumbs-upped your comment), you're on the wrong site. Holy Moly.
@ticket2space Жыл бұрын
@@WhiteTrashTennesseewhat are you talking about bro 😂
@Badgerstate3 ай бұрын
I agree 100%.
@sanyihegedu23 күн бұрын
@WhiteTrashTennessee Use 1: "According to numbers compiled by the Foundation for Economic Education, guns are used in self-defense about 2.5 million times per year, or roughly 6,849 per day. In most cases, just the presentation of a gun is enough to stop a crime and no shots are actually fired." Disarming people gives free licence for Democrat voting criminals!
@buckleymordecai9605 Жыл бұрын
Am very impressed- you wasted no words, very clear diction, stuck to the point, had great camera angles...I'm subscribing!
@richardbarns948410 ай бұрын
Top notch video. If you don't know much about self-defense, hand-gun shooting, etc....this is a channel for you. One of the best!!!
@danielhowell207511 ай бұрын
This is the video that convinced me to switch to the Underwood Xtreme Defender for my carry weapon. The bullets in my rounds look slightly different on the nose, not sure if that's a difference between the 10mm Auto and the 9mm bullets in this video, or a change they have made since this video was produced 7 years ago. The bullets I have are completely flat on the end, whereas the ones in the video seem to have small protrusions. From one Iraq Veteran to another, thank you for an excellent and informative video. That's some good ballistic science!
@DonEmbrey10 ай бұрын
You’re really getting better every year. Keep up the great Work. They call it has great potential, I could easily see it quickly going into African calibers.
@mdk206610 ай бұрын
Glad to see someone finally realizing the importance of the temporary cavity. Flesh does not stretch way out and recover without severe damage. That's why you have blood shot meat in a game animal.
@marcrhodes33822 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite vids. The shape of the xtreme defender and the honeybadger for me represent the future of defensive ammo. This design negates the validity of hollow points because they simply fail with just a few layers of cloth, sheetrock, fibers, and these will make it so much more reliable and consistent. The temporary cavitation of the underwood is bigger than a hollow point and longer as well. Dont leave home without them!! Thanks for the great vid!! And for your sacrifices !!!America!!!
@Minuteman4Jesus2 жыл бұрын
What you just said here is exactly why I switched to Underwood years ago. There simply is no better defensive ammo for EDC.
@DB-sd3cw Жыл бұрын
Prosecutor will crucify you for using it instead of standard defensive ammo
@teller1290 Жыл бұрын
@@Minuteman4Jesus120 or 135 or 200 gr (.45 ACP)? What about Federal HST that I hear about constantly? What about Underwood over penetration concerns? A lot of Underwood analysis envisions "bear country" scenarios. I assume you're good with this type of round for self - defense vs humanoids?
@jacktheaviator4938 Жыл бұрын
Using these rounds for self defense makes me VERY nervous. We set up 5 pieces of Sheetrock and the 9mm extreme defender punched right through, barely even slowed down. Personally, I'm not gonna carry a round with that type of over penetration. I live in an attached house in an urban area, and I really don't want to inadvertently kill my own kid or one of the neighbors. Same reason that my fallback shotgun is loaded with mini shells.
@tonykirby9574 Жыл бұрын
Really like I wouldn't want to be hit by ?? What bullet would you be ok engage hit by?
@truebornsonofliberty5548 жыл бұрын
Lehigh are game changers. They singlehandedly turned the .380 caliber into a viable self defense round with their extreme penetrators.
@whistlingcanine10988 жыл бұрын
+M85FSLUVR Thought the same thing.. Even the .38 140gr are monsters..
@chuckfrazier20073 жыл бұрын
The Glock 41, the Xtreme Defender, a 10 round mag and a quick draw holster keeps my wife safe. Best defense combo for a female ever devised.
@Hialeah19252 жыл бұрын
@@chuckfrazier2007 California?
@libertylover812 жыл бұрын
@@Hialeah1925 probably the socialist republic of NJ.
@shorty808100 Жыл бұрын
.380 has been a viable defense weapon for a long time bud trust me if you know how to shoot you can pretty much put a man down with 1 shot of FMJ from any caliber
@patricksmith-winnes14411 ай бұрын
Wow, and this cycles really good for how light the grain is
@williamlezotte79544 жыл бұрын
Great test! I have carried Federal HST 230 grain + P in my full frame Sig Sauer P 220 for years. 7 of us here in SLC, UT now carry the Underwood Extreme Defender 120 grain 45 caliber round. Five (including myself) have a full frame, and two carry a Compact 45 caliber pistol. It would be great to see a Paul Harrell type "meat test".
@hoffpbass2 жыл бұрын
No reason you can't have both rounds alternating in you mag. Cover all situations approach.
@walpolescrew2 жыл бұрын
I alternate HST’s and RIP rounds. The first one in the mag (last one out) is a hardball round for penetration through things.
@WhiskeyRiverRifleman8 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a 12 gauge Xtreme Defender slug.
@DanoSeer5 жыл бұрын
Oh Lord, would that be a beast! Maybe law enforcement will get em' first? But you could definitely shoot through both sides of your house and still drop and elephant.
@leshemby37834 жыл бұрын
Try Hornady critical defense in 410 it has power in 12 it would be . I know you didnt
@robertgoodrich89533 жыл бұрын
I run the Hornady Critical Defence in my Benelli M4. Has an Eotech. The pattern at 12 yards fills the 32 Mia circle with about a 4-5 inch spread.
@redrobinson772 жыл бұрын
Hells yes 👍
@bradleyyounger84992 жыл бұрын
There is a video with a guy that machined some and loaded them in a 12ga. I'm sure you could find it if you searched for a while. I think it came out about a year ago
@ajleuty23878 жыл бұрын
It would be cool to see a Underwood Xtreme Defender vs Federal HST wound cavity comparison video.
@Iraqveteran88888 жыл бұрын
+Jake Leuty I'll be happy to shoot a comparison as it seems a lot of folks are requesting that
@ajleuty23878 жыл бұрын
Awesome thank you.
@GregGBM78 жыл бұрын
+Iraqveteran8888 Thank you for making this video.
@therussianbear69008 жыл бұрын
I usually run 124gr 9mm HST's in a Shield 9.
@ichor208 жыл бұрын
can't find hst anywhere where I'm at locally and shipping cost is ridiculous. right now I'm carrying winchester defend in my shield 9 and Hornaday custom in my tp9sa
@even_60267 жыл бұрын
Thank You for your review! I live by the .45 caliber, and this review has helped me choose my daily carry ammunition.
@spankthemonkey34372 жыл бұрын
Drop some mercury down in that big hollow point then seal it with hot wax
@komodo420.10 ай бұрын
@@spankthemonkey3437nice
@Atamusk8 жыл бұрын
Judging by this and several other tests I've seen from these Lehigh rounds it seems that they retain KE extremely well until they hit something wet and/or squishy, at which point the geometry causes the projectile to dump KE at a high (and impressively consistent) rate, resulting in highly consistent penetration and wound cavity.
@JoseFlores-pm7qg2 жыл бұрын
I use Underwood in my carry weapons. I love shopping around on their website. They have plenty good sales on self-defense ammo.
@pauljameson18 жыл бұрын
I like how you said "you wouldn't want to be shot with this". I wouldn't want to be shot with anything!
@ZzBiohazzardzZ8 жыл бұрын
+Paul Jameson .22 is ok
@sammoon29067 жыл бұрын
ZzBiohazzardzZ There's actually a local former officer who, believe it or not, had his leg amputated after shooting himself in the leg with a .22lr. I don't want to get shot with a BB gun, personally
@spinnie3stax7 жыл бұрын
.22 was made to deflect off bones and cause more damage.but my biggiest fear is walking through the woods and someone slinging an arrow and it not going all the way through. even if it did the hole arrows make these days are brutal
@sammoon29067 жыл бұрын
.22 long rifle was made first in 1887, it was not designed to deflect off bone, it was made to shoot squirrels, rabbits, and other small game without making them explode like .44WCF(.44-40), or .45-70 did. It as actually designed to do LESS damage. The only reason it does deflect *sometimes* is simply because it's an unjacketed lead bullet, which is 1. How all bullets were made in the 19th century, 2. Why .22lr is so cheap: rimfire, no bullet jacket, very little powder used.
@spinnie3stax7 жыл бұрын
Sam Moon well 22 isn't Soo cheap anymore lol
@aridian77876 жыл бұрын
Eric: thank you so much for making these. You're doing all the tests and shot setups that most of us would love to do, but can't because we only have access to public shooting ranges. Big salute!
@bmiller94568 жыл бұрын
Am I not too far off in saying that the combination of Lehigh and Underwood is making a downright revolution in carry ammo?
@kai-vp8mz2 жыл бұрын
Fast forward to 2022 there not really a gimmick brand at all anymore. Controlled chaos, maximum expansion, and the great xtreme defender/penetrator are all super awesome loads that fit their niches very well.
@acannon27002 жыл бұрын
Yes, they're pretty spectacular. Better bullet than anything else for defense from humans or animals. Penetrator is probably better for larger beasties where that long deep wound and bone destruction can work out. Defender causes more expansion and dumps energy much much faster once it hits flesh, with very little worry of overpenetration and collateral (look up tests or perform them on pig carcass and such)
@evanf14432 жыл бұрын
@@kai-vp8mz what are the controlled chaos rounds? I’ve heard of them but I’m not sure what they’re designed for. Haven’t been able to find as much information on them as the XD and XP
@shevetlevi2821 Жыл бұрын
Replying in March 2023. I agree. The service calibers didn't really need the revolution that much but where it really became a game changer was in the marginal pocket carry calibers; .380acp and .32acp. Even the disdained .32acp in the Underwood Xtreme Defender cartridge consistently satified the FBI penetration standard.
@alma26258 жыл бұрын
laughed my ass off when he did the mirror thing, "That didn't go too well for him did it?" great video guys, keep up the good work!
@FLYINhawaiian8888 жыл бұрын
love that you guys include the 97bd in tests. a gorgeous firearm.
@texasbeast2395 жыл бұрын
13:09 G9, the maker of an older, similar solid copper fluid transfer type of round, calls these EHPs, or External Hollow Points. Instead of the hollow being carved into the center of the meplat, the hollow is cut out of 4 external sections of the meplat and nose of the round. That breaks the hollow up into quarters, and puts those quarters on the outside of the bullet nose. It turns the hollow point inside out. And it also leaves a hard copper spine running up the center of the bullet, which is key to achieving reliably deep penetration. EHP is a great acronym for this entire class of ammo (similar to JHP), but G9 probably copyrighted it, and now their website is down.
@BushOgre8 жыл бұрын
I would love to see their 40 S&W 115 Grain Xtreme Defender tested.
@PigPreserve7 күн бұрын
Excellent video.....clear, concise and professionally done. This really caught my interest. As a 78 year old ex Marine from the Vietnam Era, I have always carried 1911s as my CCW. I have a Springfield Armory 3.5 inch Micro Compact, and RIA 5 inch double stack and just ordered a Springfield Armory 4.25 inch Emissary. 1911''s, especially those less than full size, can be a bit choosy about which rounds they chamber if you stray away from standard ball ammo. My Micro Compact can be very choosy with jacketed hollow points. After much testing and a lot of $$$ down the drain, I settled on the Hornady Critical Defense as the best defensive round for my pistols. However, my increasingly arthritic hands don't like the recoil from the 230 grain hollow points. So, I have started a search for a lighter, good penetrating defensive round. I was impressed with the 120 grain Extreme Defender. I noticed the recoil was very modest and the penetration excellent for a lighter defensive round. I believe I will get a couple of boxes and run them through the 1911's and see if I haven't found a better all around "go to" defensive round. Thanks for the informative video.
@hawk61118 жыл бұрын
I'm a critical defence guy. I've been useing them in my .357 mag for 4 years and I like how they preform. Unfortunately I've had to use my gun and well the crit defs preformed well and me, my son, and ex girlfriend are still alive.
@rueridge75976 жыл бұрын
hawk6111 Critical duty much better load
@jOhNDoE-rz4kr6 жыл бұрын
Cool story. . . .
@bryananderson37722 жыл бұрын
Too bad the ex made it, eh?
@timothysmiller37612 жыл бұрын
Cut my teeth with the 1911, 20yrs exp. Rifle and pistol, my everyday carry, CZ97B COR BON DPX . I'm impressed 😁 with this ammo!!!! DAMN..... GET SOME!!!! Awesome 👍 video, thank you
@dylfabsamcar48 жыл бұрын
It would be great to see the same test with the 9mm versions. Thank you so much for all you guys do. Blessings always
@bretbritton74538 жыл бұрын
I've always been a .45 caliber fan, that's what i carry, & of course favored .230 grains of leaded pain relief. However, now that I'm learning about this new ammo, I'm preparing to make the switch. I appreciate your time spent in making this and other videos, thank you.
@gbc770002 жыл бұрын
Did you ever switch to the XD?
@jamesfranco70908 жыл бұрын
That auto glass test was badass thanks for doing this.
@fallenpatriot79177 жыл бұрын
I carry 124 gr Speer Gold Dot 9mm in my Glock 19 and 135 gr Gold Dot 38 special/357 magnum in my Smith and Wesson model 60 pro series. I have tested many hollow points over the years and the Gold Dot has always shined. The Hornady XTP is also a decent bullet but it doesn't open as much and penetrates more so I use it as a hunting bullet in my 357 carbine. Remington Golden Sabre is decent but they have a tendency to lose their jacket. If they didn't do that, it would be another great pd bullet. I've never tried the types of bullet you tested. I'm kinda a hard sell with new types of bullets. I've found what works so I stick with them. There is a lot to be said about barrier penetration though.
@mbm23558 жыл бұрын
Personally, I am *relieved and encouraged* by Lehigh's decision to pare down the *penetrating* capabilities of this round. I was horrified last year by the number of sporting KZbin channels that referred to the Xtreme Penetrator as a "self defense" round. Channel after channel showing slow-motion replays of the Penetrator round passing through multiple blocks of gel without slowing or dumping energy - these are NOT the properties of a Self Defense round, unless you are well and truly alone. That said, this new Xtreme Defender round has hit a sweet spot, in my opinion. As your field tests have demonstrated, the capability to ignore an initial obstacle and penetrate to a known distance consistently, while causing a large initial wound cavity is damn near ideal. I would hesistate to use this round in my home (where I believe 12ga birdshot or hollow-point .45 excell) but in a public space as a concealed carry load, I can't imagine a better round. The ability to ignore an initial obstacle (storefront glass, auto glass, light building material, vanity/deco construction material) and penetrate to an average depth that represents the width of a single attacker every time is a feature not to be ignored. Well done, Lehigh.
@MustyChalupa Жыл бұрын
why the hell would you use birdshot for home defense
@mbm2355 Жыл бұрын
@@MustyChalupa This is a 7 year old comment dude. Things change. But have you seen how many walls a slug will go through? I've got a family and I'm not trying to kill the neighbor's dog from my living room. I'm anticipating putting a lethal dose into a home intruder from appx 2 meters away, where 90+ % of engagements happen. Birdshot, 00 buck, or a slug designed for expansion would work just fine.
@pnfoutdoors42348 жыл бұрын
Me and my wife are both rocking lee high max exp. me in my glock 41 and her in glock 30s, I first found this ammo at Bear Arms Shooting Range, Brevard, NC and the firearms instructor praised the stuff even open up his edc and showed me his mag packed to the brim of them. 2 years later I have not found any thing that comes close to compare it with. Thanks for the video I'm going have to maybe load my back up mag with this stuff, just in case the first mag has the enemy runing for cover! Thanks for all the hard work!
@andrigorosetti81768 жыл бұрын
I'm really liking how well you guys are adhering to your standards from the first video, keep it up!
@rjg020058 жыл бұрын
I keep seeing that CZ 97 in your videos and love it. It's minor gripe , but I wish it came with a rail so I could mount a light and keep it as my go-to in the home.
@joeschlagenhaft53532 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@SolarEmp1re8 жыл бұрын
As a j-frame carrier in the summer here in AZ I would like to see some .38 loads from underwood/lehigh tested. I love my Gold dots but it would be nice to have a selection for the snubbie.
@RBG-tr9ce5 жыл бұрын
I'm a firm believer in the Glaser Safety Slug silver tip by Corbon. I carry it in all my pistols, J-frame K-frame N-frame and .380 and .45acp. I'm a retired police officer and have seen with my own eyes the effect of one of these.
@exothermal.sprocket5 жыл бұрын
With higher velocities related to lighter projectiles in these Lehigh designs, the .38 special would be a lot more formidable I think. Might have to hand-load stuff to your own liking before this is made a reality?
@RBG-tr9ce5 жыл бұрын
Research Corbon's Glaser Safety Slug. I think they are what your are wanting. I have them in all my handguns.
@mattyboy118918 жыл бұрын
Excellent video guys! I love these informative style videos, I know you made the point of saying "not many people are really going to have to shoot through a door of window of a car" but what I took from this video is what's going to happen if someone is shooting at you! I mean I knew that a car door wouldn't provide much cover however I did think it would do a better job than it did! Great work guys and congrats on your million subscribers!
@DR6767678 жыл бұрын
The 10 mm underwood against bulletproof glass is bad ass, so is the 9mm, I'd like to see the 40
@duke927 Жыл бұрын
I like to think of these rounds as already expanded 9 mm going way past +P+ speeds. With the added kicker that the bullet will force even more expansion in soft tissue and is essentially barrier blind. An also added benefit is in say my Glock 30S is a weight savings of over 2 1/2 ounces in carry weight using this ammo vs 230 grain ammo. Win win in my estimation.
@mansgotplans7 күн бұрын
Hey man you still carrying with Glock 30s? I’m thinking of getting it with two spare 13 rounds mags and 12 +1 in the gun, not sure what ammo is best for defense and making all that not as heavy
@duke9277 күн бұрын
@@mansgotplansI usually carry a Glock 27 in 40. But I do like Underwood ammo in all my guns. I’ve carried an LCP, Glock 26, Glock 30s, Glock 23 and now I’ve settled on the Glock 27 in 40 and every one of those guns I had Underwood ammo. If you think of the 45 Underwood Xtreme Defender as an extremely fast already expanded 9mm (135 Gr 1250 fps on the box). The 30s is lighter than the 30 by two ounces. The 135 grain ammo is 21/2 ounces lighter than standard 230. I don’t worry about failure of an HP round. They always work and are barrier blind. Your results may vary and have a different opinion. But I like that ammo :)
@IzInAZ8 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see how the 9mm and 380 versions of this round perform in small carry guns that have become popular these days. I personally carry a sig p238 and am curious how the 65 gr bullet does in real world testing
@marcoorlando3143Ай бұрын
What a great, detailed video. This was everything I wanted to see! This channel is the caddydaddy of firearms in my opinion; Thank you for your time as always! Keep up the great work guys and Merry Christmas!
@indianahoosier71138 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review guys ! Keep up the good work!
@danwhyte35242 жыл бұрын
That was a great test I I really like that Bravo! The shooting at the beginning of this video to when you did the watermelon in the 2L pops I wish I could shoot that well!!!
@timetraveler1973 Жыл бұрын
now do it in a 45 hi point carbine
@ShiftyKen088 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you guys tested this ammo. The Lehigh ammo has peaked my interest ever since I discovered it last year. And since I wondered what the difference was supposed to be between the Extreme Penetrator and the Extreme Defender, now I know which one to stock up on: the Defender. Thanks for making it crystal clear for me!
@testing27418 жыл бұрын
Bullets just leaves a straight hole in pork shoulders indetical to a FMJ round in the same tissue. Ballistics gel tears after it stretches a certain amount, this ammo exploits that. Someone really needs to make a video and show what we found at my brother in laws farm...The Lehigh Xtreme Defense and Pentrators, shot in meat, leave wound paths that are indistinguishable from FMJ / ball ammo. The hollow points left far larger cavities / wound paths in our stack of butchers throw away meat.
@testing27417 жыл бұрын
i live in the suburbs now guys, it aint worth it.
@bigmike91287 жыл бұрын
I always Wondered?
@brianbuchert63827 жыл бұрын
testing2741 well usually meat from the butcher is drained of body fluid such as blood I’d bet the extreme defender would create a greater wound channel in something that was alive and not butchered and cut up just a thought to your comments we all know ballistic gel isn’t the best tell tale of damage the bullets flutes rely on pressure from body fluid that’s forced outwards to create a bigger wound channel
@MrMarrok6576 жыл бұрын
brian buchert well gel only simulates live muscle tissue. No bone, pop a pork shoulder blade or breast plate and see what happens.
@brianbuchert63826 жыл бұрын
MrMarrok657 I’ve seen tests with that done and it’s a solid bullet it does great plus you can say that about any round like hollow point can lose thier integrity and ball penetrate to far but with this round you get penetration through bones and barriers without over penetrate or losing shape with hollow points
@MrRedFox13Gaming8 жыл бұрын
HOLY CRAP THE WROTE IN TEMP HUMIDITY AND ELEVATION THANK YOU. that is true testing
@VSO_Gun_Channel8 жыл бұрын
Need me some of these
@dobermanpac1064 Жыл бұрын
I’m late to your party! However I’ve enjoyed your 45- 45acp videos.
@Minuteman4Jesus2 жыл бұрын
The only thing better than my Underwood .45ACP +P+ Extreme Defender ammo is Underwood 10MM Extreme Defender ammo! This stuff is the last EDC ammo you'll ever need!
@stabhappy43298 жыл бұрын
I carry the 90 grain standard pressure version of these in my M&P shield 9mm. I practice with 115 grain fmj and there is no impact shift. Tested the tissue disruption on a coyote I head shot and 1 round definitely messed up the internal organs more than a fmj. Complete pass through and hit ribs on both sides.
@pablosuarez45928 жыл бұрын
The .45ACP just ventured into 10mmAuto territory with this round.
@wingxxzero8 жыл бұрын
45 super does you can shoot a few 45 super out of most 45 acp. A usp 45 is rated for it though.
@katmarriot42698 жыл бұрын
Website says this round is as effective as a 5.56. If true, that would be superior to a standard 10mm.
@wingxxzero8 жыл бұрын
How so? 45 super is 600 ftpounds of energy, 10mm is the same or maybe 700ftp. 556 is 1700ftp? 45 acp is like 390 or 450 ftp?
@katmarriot42698 жыл бұрын
I'm literally just saying what it says on the website. Also, performance is not soley based on muzzle energy. For the record though, .45 acp has 477-700 Joules of energy typically. 10mm has 600-1,000 Joules.
@wingxxzero8 жыл бұрын
Those numbers are not accurate. maybe for +p but 700 is completely out of the range of any 45acp. 45 super could handle that probably.
@christopherjackson30617 жыл бұрын
I've been carrying heavy weight RIP rounds in my 45 XD. Never really tested them. Had a break in and they were what I had loaded. They worked and didn't overpenetrate for my situation so I never changed them.
@ProGunsZach8 жыл бұрын
So how is this different from carrying a 9mm? I'm a .45 guy myself, but this is a 9mm weigh bullet traveling at 9mm velocities.
@georgejohnsmith8 жыл бұрын
First, some hair splitting: 120 grains at 1320-1350 fps and below 21000 psi are not typical 9mm numbers. You do not get 464-486 ft-lbs muzzle energy out of a 9mm unless it is a +p or +p+ round. You can consider the advantages of that yourself. The really important thing: the Extreme Defender essentially is a SOLID. The 9mm or a conventional .45 ACP JHP bullet really must struggle to achieve good, consistent penetration and good effectivity (=energy transfer) at the same time, and barriers usually compromise the performance seriously. The Extreme Defender complies with stringent specifications much easier, with a relatively low sensitivity to barriers that could occur in everyday situations. As a bonus, it is lead-free. This technology definitely is the future, and if the market is able to tolerate the somewhat higher production cost of these bullets, other manufacturers will catch up with Lehigh soon, offering very similar designs. In close range applications, where external ballistic properties are of no significance, heavier expansive bullets are no match to this technology.
@M60gunner19717 жыл бұрын
George just repeated your query back to you in the strange form of a stupefying answer.
@Falconguygaming7 жыл бұрын
Zach Cushing I would think it's because it's a heavier bullet for that design, they have a 9mm version but it's only 90 gr. I'm not sure on velocity.
@drfroglegs7 жыл бұрын
Well. There is the .451" hole vs. the .355" hole? Other than that, not much...
@Subtlenimbus4 жыл бұрын
George, the round tested in this video is up toward the top of 45 +p performance. Pressure is close to 23,000 psi. Still way below 9mm pressures. These 120 grain 45’s are going almost 300 FPS faster than a 124 grain hst in 9mm, from a 4” barrel, so I don’t understand how Zach thinks they are similar to 9mm performance. They are in 357 sig ballpark, with a much bigger hole.
@silasharmon77675 жыл бұрын
I carry Glock 29 10mm when I’m camping mainly because it has the power to possibly stop a bear attack which is rare but happens , its a powerful pistol that is small and not to heavy so I can carry it all day easily, I did buy a 40 cal conversion barrel for 2 reasons first and foremost is over penetration as you mention in your videos, very important! When I carry in public I don’t want to throw 10mm thru the bad guy and into an innocent bystander or more, the 40 or 9 or even my 22 mag is bad enough !! In a real gun battle it’s hard to focus on anything Other than the immediate threat ! Your ballistic videos have helped me tremendously in solving the big question of too much and not enough! Oh yeah the other reason for the 40 conversion is expense for practice ! Thanks for the videos , Silas
@frankgonzalez38228 жыл бұрын
bullet weight and velocity provided put this in .357 magnum range.
@LawlessNate5 жыл бұрын
It puts it in the watered down 357 magnum range. Full power .357 magnum would have much more energy than this. Full power .357 out of a 4" or so barrel should get a 125 grain bullet going ~1,600 feet per second.
@exothermal.sprocket5 жыл бұрын
Energy isn't everything here. The projectile doesn't deform, so everything it has is being directed at the footprint it makes upon impact, driving it through. Which means, less energy lost on barrier objects and higher velocities retained through those objects, to ensure good cavitation will result beyond in fluid-like targets. That's not something typically possible with most expanding nose lead-based projectiles, no matter the total weight-x-velocity energy numbers.
@Keiferdeifer2 жыл бұрын
Ive been carrying this in 9mm for 3 years now. Yours and many others vids made me a believer.
@teller1290 Жыл бұрын
Carrying what exactly in 9mm?
@Keiferdeifer Жыл бұрын
@@teller1290 ...the xtreme defender.
@teller1290 Жыл бұрын
@@Keiferdeifer 90 gr or 115 gr?
@Keiferdeifer Жыл бұрын
@@teller1290 well the 9mm only comes in 68gr or 90. I usually run the 90gr +p+
@cookerbullock8 жыл бұрын
redo it with ball ammo... same grain or the 230 grain... please
@bigchunk18 жыл бұрын
They have shot ball already in other videos.
@donniecampbell49722 жыл бұрын
Eric, I have to say that I truly appreciate you and all that y’all do. 🇺🇸 son of a Nam Vet, raised on a farm in NC, grew up on guns and hunting, self employed builder. I really like your research. Thank you sir. Btw. My edc is .45acp I needed to know this
@ItsBodin8 жыл бұрын
wouldn't this be legal for use by the military since it doesn't deform when entering a body?
@glockthirtyfive76178 жыл бұрын
Kristobro98 everything would twchnically be legal in USA... the never signed that hollow point treaty.
@gunnermcbangbang10568 жыл бұрын
Kristobro98 per the Hague convention it specifies ammo not designed or intended to cause imminent death, which the design of these rounds are designed to leave a larger temporary and permanent cavity than standard ball. In fact, one of their big sales points is the wound rivals hollow points. So in order to take it to NATO to be approved I don't think it would pass the trials.
@lovemym166 жыл бұрын
guns and life of freedom that doesn't matter the US never signed the Hague treaty. And we never exactly used all NATO rounds anyway. We still have weapons in inventory in 30-06, .45ACP and .40SW
@johnnschroeder74248 жыл бұрын
Great test, loved the overall treatment , testing each step clearly and to the point. Thanks for the work you put in, it shows with the in-depth look and results to draw our own conclusions.
@lerch400block8 жыл бұрын
I wish y'all would test DRT penetrating frangible
@Iraqveteran88888 жыл бұрын
+lerch400block we are working on that video this week!
@lerch400block8 жыл бұрын
+Iraqveteran8888 awesome, looking forward to it.
@ernestcantu78318 жыл бұрын
+Iraqveteran8888 eric please need your help dd mk18 pistol or noveske 14.5 in rogue hunter
@caseyterrence16068 жыл бұрын
+Iraqveteran8888 I searched for your DRT test video and subscribed to the chanell after viewing. Great stuff.
@j.r.7774 жыл бұрын
I have always carried and trained with Federal Premium Hydrashok rounds and HST rounds, Speer Gold Dot rounds, and Hornady Critical Duty rounds. And then I discovered the Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Defender ammo. I also saw that it was the only ammo that got a perfect score in every caliber tested, barrel length and test medium with and without barriers fired into. Penetration in every caliber and in every barrel length and in every test medium with and without barrier penetration, and with every agency that tested it, had the ammo penetrate between 12” to 18”. There was no over penetration. Including in unfrozen pig carcass’s that were close to human dimensions. And the wound channel exceeded the size in width and depth of every fully expanded hollow point projectile in the same caliber. And in spite of the round being much lighter than typical rounds of the same caliber, because it is a solid copper projectile, the round has less recoil, shoots straighter and at longer distances, has a much higher velocity. Because of that, I have now switched out all of the ammo in every handgun that I own, with this ammo. I’ll still train with the other ammo too, but this is the ammo that I will probably only use from here on out. Creating another type of ammo that can out perform this ammo will be very very tough to do!
@chgofirefighter8 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to compare these grains with shorter barrel length pistols in .45acp calibers such as shorter barrel 1911, S&W Shield .45, etc etc
@deneisewynn68897 жыл бұрын
chgofirefighter kahr pm 45 or cw 45
@Guns_and_Outdoors_Channel8 жыл бұрын
This video is fantastic!!! I was just on the phone talking to my guy that works there Justin. Guys, Underwood makes fantastic ammo. Buy the Underwood Extreme Defender for personal day to day defense. Use the Extreme Penetrator for Woods Defense and Hunting. I just ordered 10mm for my woods gun, G29 and I ordered the same for my bud that has the Colt .45 Long Judge. I'm switching over from Buffalo Bore to the Underwood Extreme Penetrator. Lastly the have reasonable shipping prices. Cheers.
@ZeroGorDIE8 жыл бұрын
It's too hard to tell if this ammo is a gimmick. handgun bullets only seem to damage what they physically hit in practical applications. ballistic gel is decieving
@GC_Rallo7 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure any bullet will only damage what it physically hits, bud. XD I'm just messin with ya, I'm guessing you mean like as far as the temporary cavity and whatnot in gel goes, that damage isn't apparent in living creatures. This isn't exactly accurate, while you may not be able to see the damage caused by the hydrostatic shock with your eyes, it certainly has an effect. It's a similar principle to how an explosion kills you, in many cases it's not the secondary projectiles or burns that kills you, it's the pressure wave disrupting vital organs and causing them to shut down. Kindof like when you get hit really hard in the jaw and get knocked out, you're not getting knocked out from the actual impact on your jawbone, you're getting knocked out because the impact causes your head to move rapidly, which jars your brain and causes it to shut down, albeit for a very brief period.
@20cameron17 жыл бұрын
It’s a gimmick. Just another attempt at a magic bullet. Really discredits a gun dealer that believes this stuff. If you need more power, you don’t change ammo, you change to magnum or 10mm calibers.
@GC_Rallo7 жыл бұрын
Whether or not the "scalloped FMJ" design of this ammunition is superior to traditional hollow-points in real world situations remains to be seen, since that data really isn't available, so synthetic mediums such as ballistic gel, synthetic bone, jugs of fluid etc are really all we have to go on. While those mediums might not exactly replicate human tissue, and the performance of the round may not be identical in living tissue and synthetic test mediums, you CAN draw direct comparisons between rounds in the same medium assuming the two tests are done in relatively controlled environments, and so far the evidence is promising. Unless you have some substantial evidence showing that these rounds perform no better than FMJ, I don't think you can really claim they're a gimmick. I get that there are people who will always think any new development in projectile technology is just black magic and snake oil, but one has to pretty much disregard 99% of available evidence to come to that conclusion. That being said, some new rounds sound well on paper, but just don't work out in real life, like the G2 R.I.P rounds, but that doesn't mean ALL new rounds are that way. Obviously shot placement is more important than the shape of the projectile when determining how capable a round is at incapacitating a living target, but the shape of the round DOES play a part, and not an insignificant one. Whether it's worth it to pay more for that increased performance is up to the individual.
@20cameron17 жыл бұрын
Abaddon GC Gimmick: (1) Our technology is so now that “new and improved” is rarely improved or better (2) Lehigh and Underwood are not the first to try “extreme” ammo. Can’t remember the brand of ammo, but it was guaranteed to create a huge wound cavity and was a failure. (3) Veteran police officers use hollow points and tell citizens to use them since they’ve seen the results between fmj and hp
@GC_Rallo7 жыл бұрын
(1) I'm just not sure that is true, are you speaking in generalities or specifically on firearms/ammunition development? Everything from video games, computers, firearms, etc are all progressing at faster paces than ever before. It may seem, with all the improvements we hear about on a daily basis, that it all blends together and doesn't seem like any huge significant breakthroughs are occuring, but that doesn't mean that improvements and breakthroughs aren't happening. The fact that so many things are improved/upgraded so often that nothing seems "huge" anymore is actually a good thing, and just goes to show how quickly technology is being developed. (2) Well the name really isn't the point here, it's just marketing. What I'm discussing is the efficacy of the projectile's design. All recorded tests so far have been pretty positive and have indicated that these rounds are effective, whether they are more effective than traditional bonded hollow-points remains to be seen, but only because there hasn't been enough time to make a definitive claim one way or the other. I also don't agree with the idea of "some other new brand of ammo in the past was bad, so that means any new brand of ammo in the future will be bad", in every field there are always ideas that flop, that doesn't mean people should just pack it up and call it quits on ever making any new improvements, it just means that one idea or those few ideas didn't pan out. I'm all for approaching new and shiny things with skepticism, but that can turn into cynicism very quickly which is not a good thing at all. (3) All that says is hollow points are better than FMJ for incapacitating human targets, which is well known. That doesn't really speak to the efficacy of THIS design. The question here is, "Does the scalloped design of the Defender/Penetrator line of ammunition compare to, or surpass traditional bonded JHP ammunition?" and while the testing thus far has generally shown that yes, they definitely compare, and some even show that they could possibly be better than traditional JHP in certain circumstances, there really isn't enough data available to say one way or the other. That's why I'm saying you can't really claim they're a gimmick and have that claim hold any water.
@Cgp-on1cp Жыл бұрын
The fact that this .45ACP round does 1300 fps has got me sold. I love the 78 grain Civil Defense rounds too but these are probably more accurate. New fave
@wak1338 жыл бұрын
Great video guys! Love these ammo tests! Packin 9mm
@sharkybarks29468 жыл бұрын
147 federal HST in my Glock 17 I have 2 mags of 147 grain and 3 mags of 124 grain. I think the expansion and wound cavity are top notch and the bullet never fails to expand. That and over or under penetration are never a problem with the bullet
@BricksAndSparrows8 жыл бұрын
You know, this video makes this ammo look really good, but I'm starting to wonder if this bullet design was driven by it's performance in GEL. You can rip that gel apary with your hands (something you really can't do with flesh,) because gel lacks the elasticity of flesh. Gel is a good tester for pre existing designs, because we can use it for comparison.. However it would be possible to design a bullet that exploits the differences between gel and flesh to represent amazing KZbin performance that might not translate to the street. I think these KZbin gel tests are REALLY selling ammo and it would only make sense for a manufacturer to try and exploit the qualifiers that impress us in gel tests...
@Brandonx-nb7rv8 жыл бұрын
James Heyward we need to use real world tests. We should gather up a bunch of child molesters and terrorists and have some real ammo tests
@20cameron18 жыл бұрын
James Heyward Plus ballistic gelatin tests don't include fat and bones. Gel is not a legitimate way of testing bullets.
@jonahpatton88797 жыл бұрын
+All Things Magnum sure it is, it being a consistent medium means you can figure out which bullets have a tendency to penetrate more and expand less or vice versa due to the consistency, an inconsistent test medium with bones and fat would be unpredictable and goes against the scientific method
@SirSpinalColumn7 жыл бұрын
Gel isn't a comparison to flesh, it's a way of consistently testing 2 different projectiles in the same medium. You can't even compare the result from one gel test to a different gel test unless it's exactly the same composition and temperature.
@91lifetime23 Жыл бұрын
Can these .45 extreme defender and penetrator work on a Thompson M1?
@hitssquad8 жыл бұрын
Someone should introduce an ammo line called *_Reduced Liability_*.
@troyheffernan126111 ай бұрын
Car door through trim panel. I'd like to see that test. What's best for Is penetration
@caribesd8 жыл бұрын
2 much penetration = (backdrop damage) x 2 much liability...
@PeaceManBro8 жыл бұрын
Eric Al Whats the chance of overpenetrating vs missing your target alltogether.
@ravissary798 жыл бұрын
Eric Al 16 inches is within the 12-18 inch metric created by the FBI. if it's not past 18 inches, then it's not really an over penetrator. And it only dented the back stop, it likely lacks significant force to penetrate a person past that.
@PeaceManBro8 жыл бұрын
***** Then you didnt follow the 4 rules of firearm safety, i wouldnt have taken the shot
@PeaceManBro8 жыл бұрын
***** And in the heat of the moment i might certainly miss my target alltogether. I never mentioned hollow points, I carry hollowpoints just like most conceal carriers but to me overpenetration is not worth worrying over.
@terrywaters61868 жыл бұрын
Good point Dustin since 80% of all rounds fired in self defense scenarios completely miss the intended target it seems over penetration is the least of our worries.
@NJBeachbum122 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a very comprehensive video! Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the time and effort, as well as the expense, of producing such a video. Well done!
@billmoyer32547 жыл бұрын
I need windshield penetration for cold Pizza delivery. The guy always jumps in the car and does a burnout on my driveway.
@secnbc4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@sergneo3 жыл бұрын
Very well explained, I'll have to start referring to you as Dr. Ballistics.. you really broke it down lol... a group of organs make an organism, blood loss, making the machine fail etc etc.. Awesome details, Awesome Video... your investment in making this video was well worth the investment 👌 Thank You
@JabariHunt8 жыл бұрын
120gr @ 1320 fps...so it basically turns a .45 into a 9mm +P.
@jmayak018 жыл бұрын
+Jabari Hunt It sure sounds like it. Just a bigger hole. I'm sorry for saying this, but the Underwood Ammo in .357 Sig with the 125 gr. Gold Dots come in at 1520 fps out of my Glock 32. It will probably penetrate more than these. I guess these would be pretty good at minimizing overpenetration...
@MrSmith-eg7oh6 жыл бұрын
A +p 9mm
@MrSmith-eg7oh6 жыл бұрын
You're damn right. U think its a good investment?
@jorgecanahan36476 жыл бұрын
best best best way to put it,end of the conversation,thanks
@jaycamacho81795 жыл бұрын
Yes but its larger
@scoutndad194111 ай бұрын
I don’t get it! When you dummy it down to 120gr (almost half the typical weight) that’s faster, it’s basically a 9mm. What’s the point?
@DevilDaRebel9 ай бұрын
Larger surface area.
@Brandonx-nb7rv8 жыл бұрын
I was really interested until I saw it was 35.99 for 20 rounds
@bigchunk18 жыл бұрын
Ouch. Seems the price hits almost as hard as the round.
@smittywerbenjaegermanjense23508 жыл бұрын
Not including shipping!!!!
@terrywaters61868 жыл бұрын
It's not range ammo. If you have to shoot someone in self defense do you really care if it's$2 a round instead of $1?
@jellie334148 жыл бұрын
Terry Waters id just use hollow points since these penetrate too good. Keywords: too good
@crominion60458 жыл бұрын
No, it isn't range ammo, but you want to shoot a lot of whatever ammo you're going to carry through your gun, to make sure it performs reliably. You should also practice regularly with your carry ammo. The price of this stuff makes that unrealistic for many people. You're better off finding a lower cost but still reliable hollow point round, like Winchester "white box" 230gr. JHP, which is about the same price for 50 rounds.
@edwardoalvarez55662 жыл бұрын
Great ammo for defence .It can cause great damage to the perpetrator. Great video that brings good information on bullets that we don't know about
@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern8 жыл бұрын
okay so whats with this whole high velocity non expanding deep penetrating self defense ammo that i have been seeing, isn't the whole point of self defense ammo to NOT go through the bad guy?
@ZzBiohazzardzZ8 жыл бұрын
+Xtorin “Xt” O'hern The point to blow his body in half
@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern8 жыл бұрын
+ZzBiohazzardzZ um, the point is to stop the threat as fast as possible
@ZzBiohazzardzZ8 жыл бұрын
Xtorin O'hern Which I'm pretty is what that would do.
@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern8 жыл бұрын
no, no it wouldnt
@ZzBiohazzardzZ8 жыл бұрын
Xtorin O'hern How?
@MetalMaggot468 жыл бұрын
I went with Hornady XTP's in my own 9mm handloads for carry because the guy over the counter had recently done a hunting outing with the XTP's and dropped a buck right where it stood.
@codzilla738 жыл бұрын
That ballistics gel looks like it would be great for sex! I think I'm gonna make me a sex doll out of it :)
@codzilla738 жыл бұрын
nicerperson nice!
@jeffwindle24178 жыл бұрын
+nicerperson he's lucky if he gets 2" of penitration.
@Metalman200xdamnit8 жыл бұрын
+Thystaff Thywill It also will not talk back to him or bitch at him when he is fucking it,lol.
@97og18 жыл бұрын
+Metalman200xdamnit 😂
@ami2evil8 жыл бұрын
...it just might
@gusalmighty50987 жыл бұрын
So many people get so excited about new concepts in ammo vs the old main steam products. The wound cavity that so many people refuse to accept with this new ammo is understandable.......unproven in live targets and so forth. I get that. If nothing else it does seem to be very barrier blind and extremely consistant in its lack of "over penetration" that does sometimes happen with hollow point ammo. If any small amount of the hydrolic hocus pocus does hold true.....that's just a bonus.
@paulofthewall8808 жыл бұрын
First view. Nice
@Killing4Pleasure8 жыл бұрын
ayy
@bolivarnj7 жыл бұрын
Once upon a time the hollow point was the crazy new tech that now everyone believes in. Lehigh bullets are following that same path. No gimmicks. It is a serious evolution in ammo. Great video.
@therevern27338 жыл бұрын
another paid advertisement from eric. next up.... oxyclean
@gonzalez5198 жыл бұрын
Hater
@therevern27338 жыл бұрын
+gonzalez519 Better than being a sellout. Go back and watch his old videos. That was some great stuff
@gonzalez5198 жыл бұрын
+Jesse King i understand that it may look like he is doing underwood a favor by promoting this new ammo on his channel but if he and all the youtubers dont show us the new products that are out there who do you think will? I think he is merely pointing out the potential of this new ammo thats all. No beef.
@chimpaflimp8 жыл бұрын
Except it isn't a paid advertisement; were it one it would be clearly labelled in the video and description. He's showcasing the ammunition, which is something he has done many times before.
@RemoteViewr17 жыл бұрын
the revern 1. Then use self discipline and avoid curiosity about innovation. Not his fault you indulged, I did too, and I learned a lot. Did you too? 2. Pretty interesting video, again. He simply enjoys this stuff. If it was pure shit, it wouldn't be of interest, I do think even shoot this stuff. My 9mm, hollow point cornbon dpx +p+, 115 grain, scoots along at the same speed, and is just as good at barrier penetration and performance afterwards as this 45 round. Interesting to note. Sorry, what's your bitch? I lost myself. You whining why? Just don't watch, you already know everything.
@toypowell5554 жыл бұрын
I just purchased my second Glock 30 gen 4 and been using the Hornady critical defense FTX as my carry round but I think that I’M IN LOVE!! That’s a BAD 🍑 ROUND!! It’s a MUST HAVE!!
@Me2Lancer7 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced. Thanks! A 45 ACP with a Bullet Weight (gr) : 120, Muzzle Energy (ft. lbs) :@: 1,320 fps must produce a lot of hydrostatic shock.
@hyphex2391 Жыл бұрын
Is this a good Carry round or should i stick to hollow points
@jamiespringer8141 Жыл бұрын
the 185 grain buffalo bore hollow point goes 8 inches and dumps it load amazing forpersonal defense law enforcement Millitary arms channel did a video on it.
@cogunlover55507 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for that video. I carry a 45 often but I also carry a 38 special with the HST micro plus p bullets. I would be very interested in seeing a video with a 38 special plus P round and what is the best. Let's face it a revolver never jams and although it only has 5 rounds you only need one
@cudarocker8 жыл бұрын
I'm carrying Underwood 140gr CF 10mm in primary G29 mag and 140gr EP 10mm in a G20 reload for city stuff. Mountain time it's all traded out for the G20 and two mags of 140gr EP...mostly for chipmunks and rabid squirrels. I'm extremely happy with Underwood and Lehigh. I have not given the Extreme Defenders a shot but everything I've seen here, I will probably start using those for the reload magazine in my 29. Yes, I have drank copious amounts of the 10mm cool-aid, sue me ;) Bad-ass review, guys. Thanks for the fun!
@minnajog4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I just happen to have a box of that same ammo sitting on my desk. Well needless to say I just switched out my golden sabre hollow point ammo for my Sig 220 and loaded up 3 mags. I carry my Sig 220 a lot as my concealed gun. As a retired LEO I like the 9mm, trained and carried a 9mm most of the time. However, since retired and living in PA I've been leaning to the 45 ACP. I just feel better with the bigger gun. Thanks again for a great video. I like your comment about 1 shot kill. Because you are always responsible for each and every round that leaves your firearm. So for you guys and gals out there with high capacity 9mm mags, God forbid you get into a situation where you let loose 10-12-15 rounds, trust me you will have a lot explaining to do.
@duke9279 ай бұрын
Something that should be considered is that not only is this ammo on par with hollow point ammunition the weight savings is about 2 to 2 1/2 ounces depending on magazine capacity over standard ball ammo.
@josephmeador15294 жыл бұрын
Just for reference ... bone is about a 5 on the Mohs scale and auto glass is around 7. Why four layers of denim? I suspect it has something to do with the fact that 4 layers of denim is about the right amount to stop most stabbing weapons of "normal" shape (not ice picks for example). A normal man can push a knife through 3 layers of denim with relative ease but that 4th seems to be the limit.
@evanwires44752 жыл бұрын
Well done. That is something I would have not considered. This maybe a new definition of a go to round in every aspect. To be continued.....
@thepoboy9698 Жыл бұрын
Would this ammo be too light or could it be used in a highpoint jhp 45?
@scubateve0078 жыл бұрын
I love the shot of them taking the windshield away