Is Coffee Sinful? Maybe

This question was such a good reminder for me. I appreciate it.
I'm Mike Winger and my goal is to help people learn to think biblically about everything.
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[@MikeWinger]

Here’s a fun game. Read the comments and try to figure out who commented without watching the video.

[@donnapearson466]

Haha!

[@stevelenores5637]

This reminds of story I heard about Martin Luther when he was confessing to his bishop. His bishop told him to come back when he had a real sin to confess. 🤣

[@JeGab]

Take a sip every time you find one 😂

[@aleithiatoews6452]

It's not bad, actually. I had to read through maybe 25 comments to find one that appeared to be from someone who didn't watch the video. Also, thanks for your content. This ministry is such a blessing in my life. God bless you, brother.

[@waitstill7091]

Here's one! Jesus worship isn't a thing, outside of Christian circles.

[@brianwoo8877]

C.O.F.F.E.E. is Christ Offers Forgiveness For Everyone Everywhere. ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️

[@sarahfaith316]

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[@brianwoo8877]

@@sarahfaith316 Thank you for your kind words. GBY sissy. ❤️

[@katyasehryn8810]

😂😂😂 Hey! That would make a great segway to share the gospel! Thank you!

[@brianwoo8877]

@katyasehryn8810 Yes. Sometimes I use it as such. The same for the sparrow when I see a sparrow I am reminded of his His love and care for His creation. GBY ❤️ 🐦

[@chelseabarker2250]

We have this on the wall in our kitchen at the church building haha!

[@eneidafernandez4613]

The Lord has really been working with me in my self discipline AND coffee is definitely a part of this conversation. Only because I tend to have an attitude of “I can’t manage my life UNTIL I have my coffee” or I can’t deal with my kids until I’ve had my coffee” and this is terrible because the Lord is my strength NOT the coffee.

[@ArbiterDan]

I didn.t hear ANY Christian say those things. These ppl need salvation, not coffee abstinence

[@swayzy762]

​@ArbiterDan If coffee or anything puts a barrier between you and the Holy Spirit, then abstinence is best to be practiced. A hurdle for one may be a pebble to you. A pebble for another may be a hurdle to you.

[@mytwocentsworth]

Read my comment above, don't sweat the small stuff. It only hinders you! Speaking from experience!

[@Switzer1234]

Coffee is A PART (not APART) of this conversation. APART: Don't tear apart your bedroom. The dog tore apart the dress. A PART: He wants to be a part of our family. When you are a part of the group, you belong.

[@linak7155]

@Switzer1234 big distinction... In this case, a single space changes the definition entirely.

[@allapattah5550]

I was assaulted by strangulation, coffee became a crutch because the warmth was comforting and soothing to my damaged throat. Several years later I couldn’t go anywhere with my crutch coffee. That was wrong. I am better now more crutches or ptsd. My help, my strength, come from the Lord he rescues me.

[@paden5137]

I am sorry that you had to go through that. I would like to add, thank God for the warmth of the coffee. I don’t know if this is a wrong way of saying or thinking but I am always comforted when I look at it this way. God gave us heat and cold and that we are blessed. Once again, it is very tragic to be assaulted in anyway, thanks for sharing. Praise the Lord!

[@robertallen5422]

I give thanks to my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for each and every delicious drop! Sin? Let's get REAL!

[@DiggitySlice]

This is another case of knowing the difference between owning your habits or your habits owning you

[@caleschnell]

@@paden5137 And it is also interesting that God desires for us to be hot or cold-not lukewarm. That is as you said-cold and heat have salvific quality to them whereas lukewarm does not.

[@user-ls4lx3qt3h]

Don’t worry just enjoy yourself 😀

[@m.willow11]

Amen. The Lord convicted me of this about 6 weeks ago. I was drinking about 4-6 cups a day, needing more to feel awake, and suffering headaches when i didnt drink enough. One day i was like wow. Im addicted, Lord please help me break this habit. I dont drink it anymore and feel so much better, praise God!

[@DiggitySlice]

See your obvious addiction is not the same as a typical coffee drinker

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

What about a cup or two a day like a normal person lol

[@BloodBoughtMinistries]

That is good!

[@m.willow11]

@@Ephesians-yn8ux agreed. someone else who drinks a couple cups is different than my self. Just like a glass of wine here and there for someone is totally different than an alcoholic.

[@metapolitikgedanken612]

@@m.willow11 The issue is that it becomes a controlling habit. And one only starts to notice, when you can't have it. Same with sugar. I don't think sugar is a problem in itself, neither caffeine. But the thing with those substances is that they become to quick available in the body and that gives a kick. Forms a habit and then tries to control you. Weird experiences. I recall fasting and then suddenly was totally disinterested in it. Restored good blood circulation as well as clearer thinking. But the passions of the flesh will come back as soon as they get a chance to do so. So something else must happen. And I find it sad that this isn't taught more detailed by ministries.

[@zaddymac4768]

Coffee and p*rn are the things i struggle with the most, theres no 2 ways about it, I’m addicted, but with the lord’s guidance i will break these bondages. I’ve done it before, I can do it again. God bless!

[@princessbabibear4794]

Addictions and lack of discipline can have roots in mental health issues. It can really help to talk to a Christian therapist. The more support you have, the better you will do. And gratitude goes a long way. They've even proven with brain scans how much gratitude helps. May the Lord bless you and keep you. Proverbs 15:22 Without consultation, plans are frustrated, But with many counselors they succeed.

[@llllllllllllllIIlIllIIllIIIIll]

Bondage from coffee are you joking?

[@King_of_Blades]

Moderation is key with coffee and even wine but P*rn is much more serious and something that’s truly sinful.

[@aSUGAaddiction]

I work night shift and I drink a cup a shift. I have found that drinking more than one actually makes me more tired, and I also try to drink it around the 5 hour mark to help get to the end of my shift.

[@dr.danburritoman1293]

I’ve also found that too much coffee makes me less focused and sharp.

[@sandraderoubaix734]

I have anaemia so drinking coffee inhibits my iron uptake ( as does black tea). I am woozy, with brain fog and fatigued. Since dropping coffee and tea for herbal tea and cocoa(I don't drink sugar, so it is an adaptation) my health has improved! Perhaps that is your problem, too!

[@daviddehoog7789]

Food is definitely in control of my life. This really helped me see my weight struggles in a new light. When it comes to coffee, I have had coworkers who are consistently late to work, walking in with coffee in hand. Their excuse was always “long line at the coffee shop.” They ended up being reprimanded and one was even fired. One even yelled as she was walking out “you can’t fire me just because I NEED to drink coffee in the morning to wake up.”

[@princessbabibear4794]

The number one eating disorder in America is binge eating and many believe underdiagnosed. I have really been blessed by a book by Dr. Christopher G. Fairburn called Overcoming binge eating 2nd edition. Believe it or not, mechanical eating helps to balance our hunger hormones. It has really been making a difference to eat carbs, fat, protein and fiber with every meal and snack. People tend to binge at night and that is due to the hormones being out of balance.

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

Totally agree. Just as Alcohol is not sinful, coffee isn't either. But, if alcohol controls you, it is sinful. Same with coffee. I knew a guy that drank 5 or 6 Monster energy drinks every single day. That would definitely fall into the latter category. I don't think it's a sin to drink Coffee. Even if forgetting to drink it give you a headache. As long as you're not drinking too much.

[@eclipsesonic]

Absolutely. Moderation is key here. I usually have around 3-4 Monster energy drinks a week, so I believe that's a sensible amount to have. I think having 2-3 a day is definitely pushing it, so having 5 or 6 a day is absolutely going overboard.

[@ST52655]

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[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

@@eclipsesonic , To be fair, he was doing a double shift every day. Including weekends. He was saving up to buy a boat. And then a sports car. And then a bigger house. He worked seven days a week for years. Burning the candle at both ends like that will make you a little bit tired 😂. But obviously, there was a bigger issue here than the Monsters. He wasn't a Christian, and money was clearly his god.

[@chrisblanc663]

I think if you get headaches from not drinking it means you are drinking too much. Your body is becoming dependent on it. I wouldn’t say it’s at that point a sin, but you may be getting close to that point.

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

@@chrisblanc663, Here's why I definitely disagree with that. I drink one cup a day. If I forget, I get a headache and I'm very sleepy all day. I know that one cup is definitely not too much.

[@artmusicalley9751]

Mike, thank you for not backing away from the big tough things and the little tough things. In ALL we do, word or deed, do it for the glory of God. Thank you for your steadfast commitment, your ability to see different perspectives and desire for God's glory. ❤

[@jeremym.5287]

Ironically, right before this I had made myself food. I already felt a conviction and feeling that I shouldn't because snacking on foods has become a point of attention and idol, even when I'm not committing gluttony, I am constantly longing for something to satisfy my flesh. I've noticed over the last week that I either have to have a drink that's caffeinated, a soda, food, or video and other forms of entertainment to keep me sustained. This is definitely an unhealthy addiction, so I hope that the Spirit may guide me and that I can detox this week from food and technology! Thank you, Mike, for this video.

[@gediminasc.]

Are you sure that is obsession rather than that your body needs some minerals? The only way it knows to inform you about lack is to send a signal- "eat, i need minerals from food". For example when you want sweets or sugar probably your zink level is too low. And etc. In other words you should control not only your needs, but also shouldn't blame yourself too much. Thats what some people do with mazochistic addiction/pleasure.

[@bekkahboodles]

Oof this comment hit home especially... praise God😅

[@ShiniGuraiJoker]

@jerrmym.587 Does your "need" for food or drink prohibit you from daily tasks, your job, going to church? While I am no longer Christian, it sounds like you are confusing need and desire.

[@gediminasc.]

@ShiniGuraiJoker Is that a question to me? I didn't understand it then. For me, the need is a necessity of something to act/function properly, thou you still can do some activity at a cost of health. For example, when you need to wc typically you can hold things for a while, but that's not good. When some say they are addicted to sugar it's not always because of seeking pleasure, but rather lack of minerals is understood by your body as attraction to sweets. There is a need, just wrongly understood by person.

[@ShiniGuraiJoker]

@@gediminasc. No, it was to OP. I agree with you. What part of my comment or all of it was confusing? Should I reword it?

[@ThaWhiteKnight777]

Amen. "Thanks for the rebuke." It's healthy for us to welcome rebuke. It's so rare to see it appreciated. We all need it to improve our relationship with God.

[@danielchile76]

What a great reminder. Stopped drinking coffee about a year ago because it raise my BP but started again a few weeks ago. I feel alright but was getting to 2-3 cups a day. Yesterday my wife reminded me of why I stopped last year and we agreed I’d do one cup and then tea after that. Trying to honor God on everything is the only way to truthfully walk with him. Even on coffee consumption. God for

[@dylanmoon6121]

Mike this question has been on my mind recently. Thank you for always being God's instrument. Your ministry has changed the way I handle life. It's always good to hear your insight

[@AudiKeshh]

I also have had this question come to mind as I watch someone very close to me go through an immense trial. God‘s mercy and grace and calling on my loved one’s life is present- this person has sorrow but is still in prayer, but this person has lost nearly every desire, and has totally given up taking care and looking after their physical self. Coffee in the morning! often times two or 3 cups, give this person a sense of stability routine and maybe even some joy.

[@arepadetrigo]

We live in a country without self-control.

[@GemsOfGrace]

Coffee is a worldwide ritual which is interesting

[@arno7303]

yeah... lol... people giving up coffee but obese as hell!

[@jonathanbarkins8480]

While you're not wrong, using collective vocabulary about one's own flaws can be counterproductive.

[@sirllamaiii9708]

When everyone can have anything on demand that happens. You can have a pineapple in mid January in Wisconsin for $3. You want to fly to paris? Go ahead, anyone can do it with the money. There's few restrictions and easy access to anything so of course self control is weak.

[@princessbabibear4794]

The fruit of the spirit is self-control. The Lord also uses Christian therapists. Talking to someone can help people get to the root of the issue. Many of us are struggling and it's not a mind over matter situation. It requires external and internal wisdom and understanding. Proper coping skills and support.

[@Window4503]

Coffee is a psychoactive drink. A socially acceptable psychoactive drink, but it is one nonetheless. There's a high and a come-down period. Like any drug, it has a place in either benefitting or hurting its consumer. So my own rule of thumb is to treat it like a tool. I don't drink coffee unless I'm adequately hydrated and have enough sleep (both recommended by any health professional). I only drink it if I need to focus and get a lot done faster than I'm normally capable of. It's also a mood-booster, so it's great for getting out of a slump in tandem other healthy methods.

[@carnivorebear6582]

I think the distinction he was making is more in regards to inhibitions and impacts on decision making. While caffeine is psychoactive it doesn't really impact your impulsivity or decision making skills to anywhere near the same degree as what are widely considered drugs of abuse.

[@arno7303]

this is rheotoric and garbage rheotoric. there is caffeine in chocolate too Window... tell me you don't eat ANY chocolate. Actually look at the meta analysis studies. Coffee IS hyper beneficial on cognitive and physical longevity in human studies long term. the SIN issue is separate, can you quit today for a month cold turkey? If yes, no worries. If not, you need to look at sin. SUGAR consumption has the exact same effect on the brain as cocaine. Do you give your kids candy? might as well be cocain then. And im being sarcastic but mildly serious, MOST american christians will have an issue with coffee, but then be extremely obese slobs that put away enough food to end world hunger. So directly answering your objection, sugar and carbs do worse than your direct example than caffeine, coffee consumption DOES lead to longevity in meta-analysis. Sugar doesn't. Do you consume carbs? What is your current weight and height?

[@chris2790]

Other than blocking receptor sites for the molecules that bind and make you sleepy, how is it psychoactive?

[@jhoughjr1]

As a daily drinker of coffee and other drugs, it does work better when used sparingly.

[@jhoughjr1]

@@apsoypike1956no it’s nothing like what cocaine does. Not psychologically or biochemically

[@HeartsIIV]

CAWFEEEE 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@Gabby-bot]

Saved, dowloded

[@joeydeandre8001]

AH GAWT CAWFEE!

[@care4thearth]

I quit ☕' Cold 🦃' b/c of headaches. My dr said headache was sign of dependency and when the caffeine levels dropped the headache was the reminder to get caffeinated again 😅.

[@jamesalles139]

um, I thought my headaches were caffeine withdrawal. They disappeared when I got my CPAP machine. It seems the caffeine propped up my muscle 'tone' just enough to mitigate sleep apnea. check it out. do you snore? 💤

[@classicrockonly]

I would travel to Kenya regularly and while I was there drink tea, not coffee. Now that I think about it, it was black tea and thus caffeinated. But I at least learned I can survive having coffee less often lol. I just love having it in my routine

[@classicrockonly]

Well said brother. I loooove coffee. Roast it, brew it different ways, try different origins. I have it twice a day because I enjoy the routine, the taste, and the pick me up. Coffee like other things, should be something we make sure we don’t idolize it either

[@josephjimorris]

I have extreme sleep apnea, which I have to manage consistently just to be able to function in everyday life. I depended heavily on energy drinks for about 10 years when I had to work 3rd shift/swing shift jobs. They caused a lot of problems for my health. Since I started researching good sleep habits, I’ve made a lot of changes. For instance you shouldn’t have any caffeine until your cortisol levels drop, around mid-morning, because your body becomes dependent on the caffeine and your cortisol production is thrown off. It’s recommended to drink 20-30 fl oz of water before any caffeine consumption as early as possible after waking up to counteract dehydration from sleep. Also caffeine takes up to 10 hours to stop having an effect, so again if I need to be in bed by 9:30 PM, I need to stop drinking caffeine by around 11 AM so I can hit my melatonin window and get to sleep naturally. So my window for drinking coffee is roughly 9:30-11:30 AM and that’s it for the day. I make a pour over before I leave for my workday and carry it with me for my mid-morning break. (I love my Fellow travel mugs!) I haven’t tried it yet, but I read an article about taking a week off every month to cut out caffeine entirely as a way to reset your body’s sensitivity to caffeine. The idea is that when you start drinking caffeine again, it will have a greater effect in lesser quantities. Drinking a couple cups of coffee first thing in the morning feels nice, but you’re also compounding the effects of dehydration, caffeine dependency instead of cortisol, and decreasing sensitivity to the caffeine. I’m also a coffee nerd with my own coffee “lab” at home where I experiment with all kinds of brewing methods. I really enjoy when I can take the time to produce a nice cup of coffee and then sit down in my grandfather’s old recliner for a quiet Bible study. To me that’s a wonderful use of time. I also see coffee making as a way to commune with God and honor the commission to “subdue the earth” by making something good with what He gave us - the earth and our creativity. Being addicted to coffee and depending on it means we’re doing something wrong and some things are out of balance. Wisdom needs to be applied everywhere in our lives and they need to be submitted to order. But that makes room for enjoying life rather than reacting to it.

[@Chuck883]

Same here friend. Well said.

[@midimusicforever]

In general is not, but don't get obessed by it!

[@hannahseale9954]

I've been curious as to why so many people are of the idea that every avid coffee drinker is addicted. I've seen it attacked repeatedly from one believer to another with no basis for an actual confrontation. Just because something is a part of a daily routine for someone doesn't make them an addict. Caffeine doesn't affect everyone the same way anyhow. I completely agree with Mike though, you have to be able to perform a self analysis to ensure nothing is dominating you.

[@MP-yc2ou]

-coffee addict lol jk

[@inkandcaffeine]

agreed that the nuance is important! many christians are quick to demonize anything the world likes, but so so many people these days are also quick to laugh off "oh i just need my morning coffee or im mean to my husband" without doing the self reflection on if that's healthy. so it's always a good reminder to prayerfully be aware of what items or culture/habits you are idolizing, can you go one day, are you bothered if your kids interrupt your morning cup etc.

[@muppetonmeds]

It seems innocent but next thing you know you will be selling yourself on the corner for a cup of coffee.

[@FireflowerDancer]

​@@muppetonmedsStahp it 😂

[@DiggitySlice]

Finally a reasonable comment

[@jesusiskingofmyheart]

There was a point in time when I was addicted to energy drinks. I truly thought I needed one every single day. It was horrible for my health and skin! It would also cause me anxiety. Praise God I cut all energy drinks out for good 🙏🏼💗

[@MapleBoarder78]

Me too. Every time I had one it would make me crave more. I would find myself itching for one everyday. Even after finishing one I’d often find myself even craving a second the same day. The boost of sharpness and alertness felt good and when it wore off I always felt tired and sluggish without it. So glad I quit those years ago.

[@williammarinelli2363]

I'm Italian and I was about to straighten you people out on this but I have to get another cup...

[@Dee-gs2hn]

Bless you sister, I'm Italian too. Most people just don't get it, it's more than the coffee it's the sitting around the table with people you love and care about.

[@gregfisher]

I don't drink coffee every day...just on the days that go so much better.

[@justinmanning6686]

Love you man, thank you so much for what you do, you have helped me a lot

[@MinisterRoy205]

so, i haven't watched the full video yet, but I'd say this, i needed Cortisone shots in my spine, and got steroid headaches from it. the doctors recommendation was, drink coffee, and you know what, it helped a lot. i don't think coffee is sinful, well I'd rather drink coffee than be given painkillers to deal with the side effects. but, a lack of discipline, is sinful, so, be disciplined, no matter what it is.

[@Yesica1993]

Maybe watch the video?

[@MinisterRoy205]

@Yesica1993 i did finish it while typing that. And i agree with mike on the discipline reasoning.

[@Yesica1993]

I hope you continue to improve. Back pain/problems are no joke. @@MinisterRoy205

[@proudmoon3]

1 Tim. 5:23, same concept.

[@ThethomasJefferson]

The reason your doctor recommended that, is because it has been proven that caffeine helps those headaches, that is why some of your medications has a small amount of caffeine in it to help with headaches. Please don’t let people’s bias towards caffeine affect your health! Everything has its pros and cons to them. Your doctor is not giving you bad advice on this. I will tell you from experience that people will try to discourage you from this. You need to take care of your health, people specially in the United States are so misguided.

[@isabelladeconti7434]

I wanna encourage anyone who’s thinking of decreasing their coffee intake; it has honestly improved my life so much. I wasn’t even severely addicted but I gave caffeine up for lent and noticed I was somewhat dependent. 😂 I was having coffee twice a day in the past and just felt SO tired in the mornings (even tho I did the “right” thing where you wait until you’ve been awake for 2 hours before having it). I used to be a morning person and wasn’t rly anymore (I thought it was cause I was “getting old”. I’m 22 LOL). When I gave up coffee, I noticed a few weeks in that I became a morning person again, I was sleeping SO SO much better, didn’t have the “brain fog” I was used to having so I was able to be so much more present with people. I know I needed to continue this habit. Post lent, I only have coffee on the weekends and on holidays or other special occasions as a treat! I’ve found this to be a good balance, but even if you start just having less coffee a day or maybe every second day, I’m sure over time you’ll notice the benefits!

[@joshuaj.jackson]

Thank you so much for your ministry!

[@sheiladale6802]

Sugar is addictive. That’s a hard one to break.

[@fluffytheostrich3878]

I don't think people truly get this. Sugar (and cheese) strongly alter behavior towards substance acquisition, often on the level of some of the minor drugs

[@etaorionis9339]

I understand sugar, but cheese? Could you elaborate please.

[@rob3518]

I’m afraid there’s bigger issues in my life than coffee addiction at the moment but I’m working on them with the Lords help.

[@jovanas.777]

Me too 🙏❤

[@ArbiterDan]

God bless you Rob. He gives us strenght. As a doctor and a Christian, I think coffee is a false issue. If all Christians would stop drinking coffee, the world will stay exactly the same. Sadly we have unmarried couples living together calling themselves Christian. Porn addiction, drugs, alcohol, false teachings. Phone and internet addiction is ravaging the youth. Young people barely touch their Bibles and have a hard time remembering who is who from the Bible. Quoting from Scripture from memory is a pretty rare thing. My pet peeve about coffee though, is people coming in the church with their morning coffee like they walk into a cinema or something. They can have it at home and bless the Lord for it.

[@bunny_0288]

I drink one cup of coffee in the morning and that's it. Too much caffeine is bad for me and it can negatively affect my sleep. One cup is lovely. I usually sip on it while I read my Bible in the morning and snuggle with my sweet puppy 💕 My husband on the other hand..... He has cut down, but he still drinks so much coffee every day. He was diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago, and we realized his coffee drinking was really his way of self-medicating. I will say I would rather have him drink coffee than take Adderall or any other stimulant drugs to treat his ADHD. Those medications have serious side effects. And they made him irritable and have major crashes in the evening. So now he treats it with B vitamins, coffee, and exercise. Much better.

[@Dargonhuman]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what 1 Corinthians 6:12 is speaking to - the prescription meds weren't helpful in that the side effects left your husband in a worse state, which were dominating him, but the ADHD could also be seen as a dominating force, so if the coffee helps subdue the ADHD and give him control of his life, then it has become helpful. Of course, we should always put our faith in the Lord to heal us of our afflictions, I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm saying otherwise, but sometimes the Lord will give us what we need to be healed in ways we don't expect. In your husband's case, coffee appears to be part of that. At the very least, coffee beans are part of His creation (as opposed to artificial man-made pharmaceuticals at any rate), so using it responsibly to mitigate ADHD isn't sinful, just as someone using marijuana to manage chronic pain isn't sinning so long as they're not overindulging to get high. The Lord has given us natural remedies like coffee, marijuana and other medicinal plants to use for our benefit and to help test our resolve and develop our self control while using them.

[@bunny_0288]

@@Dargonhuman I completely agree. And because of his ADHD, caffeine does not affect him the way it affects most people. He can drink a cup of coffee at 10 pm and go to sleep. It actually helps him calm down because ADHD makes his brain work differently. So stimulants calm his hyperactivity. It's fascinating to me because I am so sensitive to caffeine. If I have coffee after 2-3 pm I will be up all night. I know for myself many times I will pray and ask God to heal me from some affliction, and He will guide me to a way to treat it with His creation. I'm so thankful for all of the herbs and medicinal plants the Lord created for us.

[@Dargonhuman]

@@bunny_0288 You guys sound like my wife and I, but with reversed genders - she has ADHD and caffeine affects her in the exact same way, though she prefers tea over coffee, and if I have anything more potent than a Dr. Pepper less than 5 hours before bed, I'm up all night. The more I learn about natural remedies and (to borrow a RuneScape term) herbology, the more amazed I become at just how much thought god put into creation and providing for us through nature.

[@gohawks3571]

.... I need to get tested😶

[@bunny_0288]

@@gohawks3571 Yeah, he coped really well until he was in his late 30's. Apparently, this is a pretty common occurrence. As you get older it can be harder to cope and a lot of adults get diagnosed around that age.

[@YouBetterPreach]

Years ago I was drinking alot of coffee daily. So much so that when I stopped it I had major withdrawal symptoms for like 2 weeks. I stopped drinking it totally for a few years. Now i'm back to drinking it 2-3 times per week. Like you mentioned before I was under the power of the coffee. Now I control the coffee.

[@richardlane17]

Thank you for the thoughtful, biblically-minded words, Mike, and for your ministry. Reminds me of the temperance/self-control element of the fruit of the Spirit and convicts me to walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-25).

[@alanmilnes1264]

Thanks for your wise and godly consideration of this question.

[@Iwani]

For anyone who enjoys coffee but doesn’t want much caffeine, drink 100% Arabica! Robusta has double the caffeine and because it’s cheaper for now, it’s what most coffee chains will fill their blends with. Go to a specialty coffee shop and/or buy your own coffee to brew. Try opting for a slow brew device like a V60 so that you take time to appreciate each cup and you’re not just downing multiple. Make it a relaxing treat rather than a convenient boost! Sincerely, a coffee business owner, and a believer 😊

[@elissabellajoy]

This must be the best response I've ever heard given to this question ❤

[@Theophilus7333]

It's interesting how the church has begun thinking/teaching not to focus on the "small stuff" and while I can appreciate what I believe is the intent, the moment you brought up the importance of being obedient in the "small stuff" Luke 16:10 came to mind which (to me) reads as the inverse of "don't sweat the small stuff." This was a good reminder discussion, for me to be reflective of in my own life. Thank you for taking the time to discuss it.

[@Dargonhuman]

That's a great verse for this topic! It goes well with Galatians 5:9 "A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough." If we allow a "small" sin into our lives, it will inevitably lead to bigger sins taking over our lives, so by sweating the "small stuff", we keep all sin away.

[@romano7628]

Amen, yet another reminder to watch out how little things can become huge stumbling blocks. Thank you for that 👍

[@daniel_a_son]

I was just speaking with someone about this today in the morning. Can't wait to see what is said

[@sbraker]

Mike Winger is a beast. Love this brother!

[@LifeOnHoth]

A friendly reminder: :) I suggest you read some articles on ADHD, ASD and TS and stimming behavior. Then let's have a productive and balanced and healthy conversation about how various neurological and mental disorders and diseases ties together to a plain and simple self-control issue or not. I REALLY REALLY do appreciate your teaching gift. It's been an enormous blessing to me and those around me even. But me and you should have a conversation about how you several times imply that severe neurological and mental disorders - where the sufferer have close to NO chance of exercising this self control without a ton of correct professional help. What you have in the past - and also now refer to as self control issues, are in many cases very severe illnesses that has the consequences of among other things an apparent lack of self control. However - putting this yoke on those people who suffers from these things - implying it's a sinful behavior when you are talking about issues more or less totally out of the individual's control - that's not very wise. And it's incorrect. You are first pulling a text out of context here by applying a text about self control to disorders like anorexia (and you imply others) when you are not taking into account that for a lot of these sufferers - not all the self control collectively available in the univers would make it possible for them to just will themselves out of the disorder. Lack of impulse control in untreated ADHD is one of the things that are often is a source of shame for the sufferers because they are told they just need to pull themselves togethere and muster the self control to not be impulsive. While the truth is that the impulsive behavior is in many cases the result of a brain trauma or premature birth, or inherited from the parents. If these children and adults that you - and you really can't say you don't - imply to live a lifestyle without displaying self control - aren't successful in willing themselves out of the behavior - are they then living in sinful behavior? Does that mean they don't get to heaven? I can pull up tons of more examples of this. If this is really what you mean - I'd like you to say it. That these sufferers of various disorders outside of their control are living in sin. Coz that implies that they are not saved. It would be useful for you to REALLY think this through. And if you don't agree with my painting of your intentions in this - please,I'd like you to also say that. Because this clip most certainly makes it look like you are saying that having anorexia is possibly living in sinful behavior. Which you gotta really build a case for me to accept. I wish you no harm, disrespect or anything - I am not a random troll - I'm just a person who happens to know quite a few things about how many of these conditions effects human beings and how easy or hard / impossible it is to just display self control, and I think these matters are at best unwisely handled by you. Self harming behavior is not about self control or not. There are underlying issues, problems and illnesses that need to be treated, and maybe after tackling it correctly, either God heals you or you are getting helped by medicine - maybe after that it will be possible to display this self control you talk about. But in the meantime, it is VERY REAL that it is impossible for many. And tell me with good conscience that you believe God is refering to these situations in scripture? Again - I say this with respect. I think you need to correct this tendency you have to be very casual and naive when it comes to real disease. If I brok your legs so you could not walk or stand on them - Should I just tell you to display some self control and stand up? pull yourself together? It is actually even more impossible for people with some conditions to display self control than you standing up and walking on both your broken legs. I hope you didn't fall off while reading this - And if you are on Mike's staff and mike isn't reading this himself, and you read it - please make sure he reads it. I will be available for further positive, non hostile, productive and balanaced conversation if mike wants to. Because this is not just a random thing that can be ignored - I'm pointing out some issues that will help you avoid putting shame on people where there should be no shame. And also help you realize you need to avoid to play with people's assurance of salvation by implying what you imply. Some times it's real. Sometimes it's a matter of self control. In the cases and examples above, we do disagree tho, and if you are wrong it will actually effect your credibility as a teacher, and you should at least consider my words and take them to you if not for anything else than making absolutely sure you feel you are on solid ground where you stand. Make sense? I wish you all well and I hope your fatigue and stuff continues to improve. Don't mistake this for hostility or trolling. I wish you all well and thank you for all you are doing. Thank you, have a nice day. - regards from hoth. PS. Dude. Drink your coffee! We are neither mormons or pharisees, are we?

[@CricketsAreUs]

Bump

[@proudmoon3]

It seems like you are putting an awful lot of words in his mouth here. js

[@proudmoon3]

Mike can't be expected to be an expert on every condition in order to give general spiritual advice.

[@LifeOnHoth]

@@proudmoon3 I really don't agree with that. I agree I use a lot of words. But I don't put words in his mouth. If you have any specific things you mean, let me know and I'll show you how it ties into what Mike says in this clip - and other clips and videos in the past. It might be a cultural thing but to me it feels a bit like accusations of not showing respect in a debate or conversation when u say I put words in people's mouth. I'm sure you didn't mean that tho. I did this with grace and respect imho. This is called correcting. And there are no way for me to correct him in private. Therefore I do it as friendly as possible in public and hope nobody including him takes it the wrong way. Mike has been known to take corrections, change his mind on biblical matters etc. This is why I am appealing to him like this. If I wasn't sure he would be open for legit correction I would not bother. Yeah... if u feel I put words in his mouth I'm happy to explain how it ties in there if u have specific concerns. If not I really can't explain the whole concept all over again. In that case I suggest u read it again a couple of times. All the best. Edit to answe your second reply: Of course one can't be experts like you say and its not necessary for giving general spiritual advice. However, the trick is to know how when you cross the line between general advice and specifics. Thats the best I can do on explaining this to you. It looks like tho that you are kinda missing my points and nuances, and its not meant to be rude, but if I were you I'd reread what I wrote and try to understand it instead of following your first impulse- which was to criticize me instead of thinking maybe there is a legit point or two in there.

[@Dee-gs2hn]

Hoth, I agree with you, and thank God you have spoken with respect and knowledge of the issue. The Christian community needs pastors and teachers like Mike, who I respect, to think through what you have asked. Here is one example of how the church fails on this. I am sitting in Sunday school class and the study is on our identity in Christ, how we should see ourselves? The book we are using specifically brings up anorexia and bullimea and lumps it all together with vain things women do to make themselves more attractive. And as you point out Hoth we were told it's basically your fault if you can't stop doing those bad behaviors. If there were someone in the room who had any of the early symptoms of anorexia or bullimea they would have felt ashamed rather than feeling that they are in a safe caring place. God bless you in your work. Dee

[@skaz777]

You’re awesome Pastor!

[@jakeyhiebert9384]

I’m a coffee nerd. I enjoy the process of making my own coffee. I refuse to buy a coffee in the middle of the day even if I have a headache. I like it for the taste and caffeine is the side effects. I’m very aware of my limit. But with other things like technology, that I find harder to be aware of when doing to much. Great Video! And a good reminder!

[@Dr.Reason]

What an extremely well addressed response to this question.

[@PowerHog]

Ultimately this is a more of a personal conviction issue rather than a blanket rule for each Christian especially since coffee affects each person differently. Of course we are to be sober minded, self-controlled, and submit our bodies as a living sacrifice to Jesus, however, if the Bible allows for consumption of alcohol, then certainly drinking coffee is acceptable since it doesn't impair judgement. On the notion that having caffine withdraw symptoms means there is an underlying lack of self control, a few questions are worth considering. Does elimination of caffeine withdrawal symptoms by slowly decreasing caffeine intake constitute self control and a lack of sin? Are people who experience very minor withdraw symptoms showing lack of self control? Are people who drink coffee daily and never experience withdrawal symptoms showing self control or dependency? As with anything, moderation is the key. On a side note, many people overlook or are unaware that coffee has many health benefits.

[@proudmoon3]

The answer (to all those questions) is between the individual and the Holy Spirit.

[@list1726]

Thank you for posting

[@mkprr]

After 38 years Mormon and finally coming to Christ outside of that institution, I just have to say I am loving daily morning coffee dates with my wife before the kids wake up. I agree that moderation is important. I probably would get headaches without it at this point. Will test watering it down more :)

[@cheetahiq]

Enjoy that time with your wife! As long as you’re not idolizing the coffee, you’re doing well. Center your morning with your wife around God and His blessing y’all ❤️

[@Wentletrap213]

Enjoy your coffee time with your wife! That sounds nice. You are correct. Moderation and self control are important.

[@Blablablahx3]

One cup of coffee a day isn't unhealthy fyi. Doubt you would have withdrawal symptoms from stopping one cup a day. Besides, I don't understand how the presence of withdrawal symptoms indicate that the thing itself is bad. Some types of medication have withdrawal symptoms when you stop. There are withdrawal symptoms if you stop eating sugar. There are withdrawal symptoms if you stop eating carbs. Those things aren't bad.

[@mrnobody.369]

Oh my, i needed to hear this!😢

[@bradscardsandcollectibles1596]

Hey Mike, As a brother in Christ and avid coffee lover, my practice for a few years now has been to have my normal cup or 2 a day(sometimes 7) but as soon as i start to feel or notice my body starting to depend on it( waking up groggy, unnatural fatigue) i will put it down for 2-3 days. To me one of the best feelings in the world is to wake up early in the morning after a night of sleep,and being fully alert as soon as my eyes open. I have found it helpful as well to find a roast of half-caf or decaf coffee that you enjoy(easier said than done.) Love the videos, they have been a tremendous blessing. still waiting to have one of my questions answered on the stream. i have a few that i havent heard you touch on that i think would make for great study and conversation.

[@devongarvie6261]

This is so good. I have been so addicted to caffeine, I don't remember a day in the last month that I wasn't trying to find some or wasting money on buying some.

[@Derek_Baumgartner]

Thanks for posting this.

[@marvindiamonjr.9631]

Thanks, Mike.

[@ChristinewithaC]

This was convicting to me! I have gradually been making more excuses for allowing cravings for coffee and sweets to control me! Lord, help me! 🙏

[@nametheunknown_]

Thanks, brother!

[@mytwocentsworth]

I am nearing 70 and I spent a lot of my life worrying over the small stuff, whether I was good enough.... did I do this wrong or say that wrong. So much introspection, until a few years ago I broke out of that cycle. Personally, when I come face to face with God on my last day I don't believe that He will be concerned with how much coffee I drink, how much food I eat or how much exercise I should be doing, etc. etc. if it is a problem he will work those things out in His time. It is a process. Feeling guilty actually only makes thing worse! INSTEAD God will be asking me, did you love your family, or your brother or sister as yourself? Did you feed the hungry? Did you help those in need when you saw it? or give those who were thirsty a drink (which I believe is giving them the gospel at the time when they need it, when they are thirsty not shoving it down their throats). I have got to the point where I won't fall into a guilt trip for every small mistake because in the scheme of things it actually doesn't matter.

[@rachelseibert7882]

Amen!!! Excellent! Thank you!

[@timotheus2001]

This was a trip-wire question. Great job with it!

[@stevej71393]

Thanks for the honest and clear-headed approach. I have a rather ascetic mindset where I take it as a challenge to see how much I can do without, but I think the Lord gave us certain things to enjoy in moderation, like coffee. If we can't enjoy it with thankfulness but instead feel an overpowering urge to use and abuse something, then maybe it's time for that thing to go.

[@valerief.8295]

Hey Pastor Mike! I appreciate your stuff! Got introduced to you by my dad just putting on your 20 questions live-stream in the evening. I’m grateful for the shorter videos that break down the streams. A 2 hour video is rather daunting to me. 😂 Good video! It’s a good reminder to hear anything about Biblical self control. I wanted to ask about what you said about caring about the “little” things ( 3:47 ). I personally have a couple of anxiety disorders and a perfectionist streak, so maybe those contribute, but I often feel that I need to let go of the little things so that I don’t get wrapped up in them and controlled by the fear of messing up. Not letting go in the sense of giving into sin (at least I try not to), but more so trying to lean into a sense of trust in the grace of God and in Him helping me to do well. If you have any advice on how to take every thought captive and hand them over to God without getting caught in spiraling worries about doing the right thing, I’d very much appreciate it! I know you’re not a therapist, but I like hearing people’s (especially Biblically-based) 2 cents. Thank you!

[@Irishrose777]

Dependence on a medication like a psych med or caffeine is not the same thing as addiction. Your body gets used to a certain level of the chemical and withdrawal can result but it doesn’t always coincide with addiction.

[@Hopespringseternal]

I went without for years, then got sucked back in. I recently went back down to only one cup a day from two, and I had a terrible headache! As I’m wondering if I need to cut it out again completely, this comes up. Thank you, Mike!

[@michedaisy]

I laugh with you but this is a serious topic because it really does boil down to self control over self indulgence. Thanks for this Mike. I appreciate your teaching and your channel. 😊

[@lindabueckert9559]

It is so addictive...

[@sherimowery3251]

It is good to examine yourself about such things.

[@VladimirTrotsky]

This was helpful. I really need to gain more self-control.

[@weallwrong]

Literally had this conversation yesterday around a table with a couple people but it was about caffeinated soft drinks and we talked about how if how quickly you become dependent and how you get headaches if you stop. For me I think I’m going to have to make a rule I don’t drink caffeine two days in a row. I avoided it almost all last year. I think it was all the sweet tea available to me during the holidays that I quickly became dependent.

[@Dazzwidd]

I don't know if sugar has anything to do with it, but I have a quiete strong cappacino in the morning that is a about 50% bigger than a normal mug in volume. It's my only coffee for the day. It would have at least the same or more than the amount of caffeine your soda drinks have, but I don't add sugar when I'm making it. I don't get any withdrawal symptoms if I don't have any for a few days or more

[@Fassnight]

This was a real conviction for me concerning energy drinka

[@LadiesofPurposeTV]

That’s SO good Mike!! I sure do enjoy coffee☕️. Some days I’m dragging & do grab an extra coffee but I also enjoy the smell & taste of a good cup of coffee. I try to only drink 1-2 cups in the morning though. Let’s not discuss how big my cups are😂😝🤣☕️☕️. Haha I did watch whole video as always:). God bless you brother!!!!

[@yvette3636]

As a nurse who works days and nights 12 hour shifts 3-4 days a week. I drink one cup of coffee to keep me awake. Off days I don’t drink coffee. We live in a society that doesn’t get proper rest. Some countries have built in naps in the school and work day. As a nurse a 15 min Power Nap does a world of help but this country would never allow naps in the workplace

[@Minnesota_Central]

Anyone who thinks coffee is sinful is too legalistic and will be no friend of mine. You are saved by Gospel not by deeming everything you don't like a sin. And if someone is avoiding every single tiny little mundane thing completely ignoring the fact that Christ has already paid the penalty, then they have completely missed the mark. We are not bound by sin. So once converted by gospel, yes definitely act like a Christian and steer away from sin and temptation, and if something like coffee gets in the way of your relationship with God then by all means kiss coffee goodbye! But being that legalistic enough to think something like coffee is a sin is just foolish. Edit: I read some of these appalling comments and my favorite one was the argument "coffee is a psychoactive substance so drinking it is a sin." I don't recall the bozos name that posted this but it made me chuckle. If that's your argument then everytime Jesus drank wine, he sinned. And if that's something you think Jesus is capable of doing (that being sin) then you really need to re-evaluate your belief in the Christian Orthodoxy.

[@Danstheman1357]

100% even the title of these sorts or videos aggravates me. the constant onslaught of this stuff just makes you questioning everything you do that eventually will steal your joy.

[@jeremym.5287]

@@Danstheman1357 Mike Winger doesn't say that caffeine or coffee by any means is a sin. Such as all forms of food are declared clean, so we are allowed to partake of these things. However, we are not to be dominated by anything. If caffeine or coffee in general becomes an idol in your life, then you should stop using it for a period of time or quit it entirely. However, if you treat it responsibly and do not prioritize it, then do so without going against the Spirit's will.

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

Be honest: did you watch the video?

[@stevewagner2282]

I agree. It's titles like this that could turn off a non beleiver. Can you imagine someone scrolling on to this and on the fence about becoming a Christian and thinking wow. What else is a sin I need to give up lol. I think we have bigger fish to fry than coffee in this evil world..

[@Minnesota_Central]

@@stevewagner2282 as someone who grew up in a legalistic family, finally being set free by the Gospel proclaimed to me through Romans 6 & 8 as well as the Gospel John, I told myself i would never be bound by the guilt and shame of sin for the rest of my life. Jesus truly set me free of sin. I do not fear sin, I do not lack in the knowing I'm 100% secure. Jesus has already won the war . So imagine how much sorrow I feel to hear that some people out there are so legalistic, and they are so bound by doing good that they start fearing coffee. Its just horrifying to me, these people out there are so mind bent on what they do and not what Christ has already done. What a shame.

[@4runner4GOD]

Yes Good reminder. Be content with food and clothing. Godliness with contentment is great gain. Learning to be content in a culture that is pushing the opposite...

[@briarpatchson3039]

THIS QUESTION IS WHY I'M NOT A PASTOR!!!😂😆🤣 I've wouldn't even cared about answering this one!!! I THANK GOD EVERYDAY FOR CARING GODLY MEN! MAY HASHEM KEEP AND CONTINUE TO BLESS PASTOR WITH MORE WISDOM!!!

[@repentnow1720]

Mike - as you know - That highlighted verse says it all...

[@happyappy19931]

This is an interesting question. 😊

[@RootForTruth]

The quote about self control from Proverbs 26:28 is specifically related to speaking and not self control in general. You can see this written more accurately in the Vulgate Latin version

[@charlenejulius8501]

I am so glad I don't get addicted to anything. I love changes. Can't do the same thing all the time.

[@ittaitumelo]

oh man, I have been waiting for one of your live sessions, I really have some questions I wanted answered, they have been bugging me of late. when next are you having the next live session and what time, please add the time zone, I reallllllly appreciate your videos...

[@paulbeahm3891]

That "I really wish you wouldn't ask me about this..." hit hard

[@Mrs.Silversmith]

If you are unsure if your relationship to coffee, or anything else, is unhealthy or sinful, just give it up for a period of time and see how you react. It's better to know if something is a problem for you, because then you can be more intentional and disciplined with how you interact with it.

[@proudmoon3]

EXCELLENT advice.

[@arcguardian]

That's a little too vague. "See how u react" needs some practical guidelines.

[@kimivy779]

Agree.

[@donnaemslie5729]

It’s time that everything we do in life is not so negative. If a person drink ms coffee there is nothing wrong with that.

[@jsmith317]

I'm in my mid-50s. When I was in high school, I found a book series in the library about kinds of drugs. I was shocked to see one in the series was about caffeine.

[@Crikey420]

Word of wisdom buddy.

[@TrainerSpyro]

"let's see if I need to be rebuked" 😂😂😂😂 I love you, bro. Don't ever change. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Carissa72]

As someone with ADHD, who needs a stimulant just to be a normal functioning human being, coffee is “helpful” to me. I will drink it because it helps me be a good homeschooling Momma with energy to persevere throughout the day, and then energy to provide a hot meal for the husband when he gets home. Just as the right amount of food gives me energy, so too does coffee. For me, it is controlled. I drink only two cups, and always have. Please drink your coffee if you need it, brothers and sisters. ☕️☕️☕️

[@Wentletrap213]

You’re fine. Young kids need you to have a lot of energy.

[@Blablablahx3]

Amen! God bless you sister ♥️

[@honestchristianity936]

A really important question

[@no_reservations25]

THIS!! I've been battling and being disobedient to the Lord for a couple years now and finally, the coffee has been having negative side effects. I feel brain dead without it though and I'm just praying that God would deliver me and help me get off of coffee!

[@ThaWhiteKnight777]

Amen brother. "Every word that comes out of your mouth... Does it honor Christ?" Amen. Every facebook post. Every reel share. Everything.

[@toosexyformyhair]

ARE YOU DRINKING THE COFFEE, OR IS THE COFFEE DRINKING YOU?!?!?!

[@pinkroses135]

"Thanks for the rebuke" 😂 sign of a good pastor

[@janetkruer1153]

I chose a year ago to make an effort to eliminate counterfeits. Caffine being counterfeit energy. Walking, paying attention to what foods I eat. I even lay down in the afternoon when my grandson naps instead of the afternoon cup of coffee.

[@Kulring]

@mikewinger I swapped to tea and haven't had caffeine headaches since!

[@samoliver9132]

If you want a healthy way to get a boost of energy in the morning try this: take your shower warm as usual but for the last 30 seconds to 1 minute just crank the temperature as cold as it can go. This will wake you right up and even though it will be hard for like the first 2 or 3 times you do it you’ll quickly get used to it and it has numerous benefits for your health.

[@moonstruck336]

well said

[@jamiebonsall430]

"how you do anything is how you do everything." - Richard Rohr

[@natashamiller4860]

As I sip my coffee… In all seriousness, I agree that we all need to work on our self-control, first and foremost. Further, I agree that we need to evaluate to see if we can personally apply this with coffee, food, alcohol, our PHONES, etc.

[@Dazzwidd]

I drink one strong coffee a day, in the morning, especially during the week to kick off the day. But often during the weekend I will skip both days. But if I don't have it there's no headaches etc. I may soon fast from it. Your advice concerning addictions is very wise. It can apply to anything like computer games for instance. I also really love your advice about watching everything that comes out of your mouth as well as what you listen to or watch... also jump on your thoughts quickly when they run off the track. As the proverb says, keep thy heart with all diligence, for out of it are the issues of life. We're living in a fallen world which was flooded by demons. Satan is the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4). We are constantly and subtly under constant attack by the adversary and his cohorts (1 Peter 5:8).

[@pauldavid2407]

“Good reminder, thanks for the rebuke” 😂 too funny Mike :)

[@stephenm8233]

Agreed. When it comes to coffee, been addicted to it for quite many years, always needing a cup to push me through and prevent a migraine, but now have backed off my daily cup and only drink occasionally. I wonder how this could apply to medication. I take a medication that I, in the fullest extent, need to be able to sleep. I have severe insomnia issues. If I don’t take the pill, I don’t sleep, and if I do, it’ll only be for like 1-2 hours. I guess this would be okay, since it is a blessing to my life, and fixes what is biologically broken.

[@sapphirelane1714]

Apply the same to medical cannabis, and fellow Christians will call you a drug addict looking for excuses.🙄

[@DeanCoombs]

The slippery slop of legalism begins with good intentions.