Is Coming Out as LGBTQ 'Selfish'?

[@thedevilsavocado9565]

Is coming out selfish? No. Is being mean to a group of people for no reason besides just wanting views? Yes. Yes a hundred times.

[@cloudman9230]

Yup. Edit: Maybe a thousand

[@toreym.6608]

Yup

[@michelleswanson6347]

Exactly. Picking on another group to say you're special is not nice. Be special without picking on others! You can do it!

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

Thanks for recognising that she doesn’t care about the animals, she just wants the attention from the nazvegans (nationalist vegans)

[@ellouisebadger849]

exactlyyyyyy

[@dannym.1004]

I can't believe coming out is considered "selfish" by some people

[@Morrigan855]

Me too

[@madalynburke4749]

ikr

[@RuneDrageon]

Well on a technicality it is, but so is going to the doctor if you are sick, under that logic. It is selfcare.

[@liseegeskov8769]

@@RuneDrageon as Sander sides one Said (paraphrased) : we need to learn seflfish is not a bad word

[@maat2354]

I've had someone tell me I'm selfish for coming out and that I was only thinking of myself 😂🤣

[@fossil-flower9086]

“Is coming out as lgbt+ selfish” no but coming out as a crab is shellfish

[@fossil-flower9086]

Please I’m just making a bad joke don’t mind me

[@ladyopaleye]

You made me laugh uncontrollably as I was having a bad day. Thank you!

[@ashleybaragona1427]

Thank you for this, I loved it

[@fossil-flower9086]

@@ladyopaleye glad I could help

[@plarizedpinklemnz6964]

This made me feel better :')

[@angiewinchester3384]

As someone who is vegan, queer and religious, the vegan 'teacher' offends me on three different levels.

[@seb_the_tree]

She is the reason I say I'm plant based

[@lemurlover7975]

@@seb_the_tree Me too - people are scared of vegans. I'm an asexual Christian vegan but I say I'm plant based to not scare people and not get them to start verbally attacking me.

[@kathrynkrider2630]

@@lemurlover7975 I have nothing against vegans. I do respect their diet choices. So you have my respect. I just don't like people like Thatveganteacher, deep vegan, and vganbooty. They are terrible people

[@annamaria5088]

@@seb_the_tree ..... or u could say a herbivore(?) idk why but saying plant based reminds me of groot 🌱

[@maddie28]

oof

[@artistic.and.autistic]

It's not selfish, it's self-preservation.

[@beepboop2816]

YES! THIS!!!

[@teasugarsalt]

And a lifeline thrown to our younger generation who need to know they have a future.

[@Staarbo]

This. Thank you.

[@gregorywiederecht]

TESTIFY

[@kidlit]

100% yes.

[@jk_945]

As a lesbian vegan, we don’t claim her

[@confusedstrangedot2811]

I second this decision as a fellow lesbian vegan

[@afajardo9938]

I second

[@vrepitsa1083]

Her own people don’t claim her 😂

[@rudlodh78]

@@vrepitsa1083 I feel like she isn’t even a person of it... She has a husband and has also stated she is bisexual in a video after it

[@alphacote8690]

@@confusedstrangedot2811 I agree with this decision

[@user-bc4es6uq8m]

as someone who’s vegan and bisexual, “coming out as vegan” doesn’t sit right with me yikes ://

[@m4ngo.m1a]

someone said it. it feels so weird to say imo

[@tallulah.9143]

Omfg I saw a guy’s comment who said he “came out as an atheist” boi- 🤦‍♀️

[@gooblob4188]

Like veganism is a diet being gay or trans or bisexual that’s part of your identity not what food you eat

[@bananabot151]

@@gooblob4188 I mean it’s kinda what you eat...

[@gooblob4188]

@Banana Bot151 I think you misunderstood what I said.

[@rakata1987]

"Just change your religion" Doing so in numerous countries is literally a death sentence under law.

[@hfs-lk5ip]

"Just leave your family!"

[@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023]

Yeah, this is what I, too, came to think of first.

[@FatimaLopez-jr1th]

But just move countries. /s

[@SupraMan38]

why is everybody always attacking the lgbtq community ugh we are just so special

[@caspertheunfriendlyghost]

We really are that great

[@iinraged2258]

Our legs are tired, we been running through their head all day 😢🏃‍♂️

[@tinyflame17]

Everyone’s scared cause we’re turning the water gay

[@firewolf7108]

Of course, w e r u l e t h e w o r l d Btw love your channel ❤

[@brick5286]

Fr

[@JAMIEvstheVOID]

The lack of compassion for ACTUAL HUMAN BEINGS from 'that Vegan Teacher' is the most anti-vegan mindset I've had the displeasure of experiencing. I've been vegan (or as much as I can be) since 2014, and recently FINALLY came out as Non-Binary. I can say with 100% certainty that it's been an the MOST unselfish experience to finally accept myself. I had compassion for myself, something I've been denying myself since my teens. For anyone that thinks this is a representation of people that choose oat milk over cow milk, please know that there are crazy extremists in all walks of life, and 'The Vegan teacher' happens to be one of those few. I honestly think in some sick way she sees the opposition and outrage in responses as good, because it's 'exposure to veganism', it's getting clicks...You know, the ol' 'Any press is good press'. It's not. It's embarrassing and is doing a lot of harm. The opposite of compassion... And it sucks.

[@vitamind3572]

that vegan teacher: don't be speciesist! all creatures deserve love and compassion! also that vegan teacher: cOMinG OuT aS gAy IS SelFisH >:(

[@unfortunatelyriley]

Didn’t expect to see you here Amy, but I’m glad to see your input on the subject, and I 100% agree

[@gebloemd]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I've been vegan for 5 years and I'm non binary and bisexual and everything you've said just resonated with me.

[@giuliaverzeletti5621]

100% agree, thank you for sharing your thoughts :)

[@themysticomni5469]

I agree

[@savannahprice9954]

She said “coming out as LGBTQ is an entirely selfish act” and my mom who can’t hear her said “Excuse me”

[@medicalbasils]

LMAO-

[@dandylion2775]

She can't hear her?

[@puweh]

took me a minute to get it but lmao thats good timing

[@dandylion2775]

@Ignatious72 oh I get it now

[@skyelouisekowe]

I-

[@randompersonthathasinterne6680]

I swear If I see another person saying they are “coming out” as vegan, republic, or anything that isn’t a thing you can’t come out as, I will lose my mind

[@gammarayneutrino8413]

Idk, coming out as a political entity might be hard. Look how bad those republics are faring

[@morgansutherland9861]

i came out as bi to my parents recently and they bought me bubble tea with rainbow jelly in it 🥺

[@creativecthulhu]

OMG UR PARENTS ARE AMAZING thats how my grandma is :) we stan supportive family :)

[@grim9690]

Dang now I want bubble tea

[@CuriosityRocks]

Awww 🥰

[@liacartoonlover]

That's sweet 🥰

[@emno561]

Yay:D your parents sound amazing, that’s so sweet:)

[@blackrosejinx5563]

I also feel like there’s a key difference to look at here, as well as something people need to understand: •being vegan *_is a choice_* •being LGBTQ+ *_is not._*

[@stoiccutie7615]

Agreed. Also I like your Celeste pfp! :D

[@jadenbunnie_3361]

Well said. Also,these pfps are awesome

[@jaketaylor5058]

Its totally a choice a really really bad one.

[@ruasi]

@@jaketaylor5058 its not a choice...

[@rtay_]

@@jaketaylor5058 Being an ignorant and hateful person is also a bad choice, yet that's what you've decided on. :/ Even if it was a choice, why should you care?

[@terrymelody9340]

‘And remember kids, if you let people know who you are, you’re selfish Everyone: *visible confusion*

[@thunderjackal]

Just wait until the vegan teacher finds out that saying your vegan is telling people about yourself

[@rainydays3.5]

@@thunderjackal HAHA

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

The fact that she is "supposedly" a teacher worries me

[@EvanNeedsTherapy]

Hi my name is [name] Wtf that’s so fucking selfish who asked?

[@dark7859]

Oh, I love this shirt! How dare you! This doesn't make the world better! it's so selfish!

[@caitrinsweeney535]

One of my friends came out (fairly casually) as bisexual to our friend group. A few months later, another friends in our group came out as bisexual to myself and my other bi friend. This inspired me to come out as asexual to the two of them a few weeks later. The three of us came out to the rest of our group together. In doing so, my boyfriend started doing research on asexuality and discovered he was asexual as well, so he came out soon after that. So yeah, coming out can be incredibly helpful to other people. We literally started out with one lgbtq person and ended up with four.

[@swayze6602]

that sounds like me and my friends lmao slay 🏳️‍🌈

[@hoshiunique185]

Man this vegan teacher knows nothing, you sure she’s a teacher?

[@funkyfinn1]

Tbh I’m not sure she’s even vegan at this point

[@hoshiunique185]

@@funkyfinn1 Same lol

[@Quanice815]

Vegan person-who-thinks-they-know-everything

[@ZeldaRoseSongbook]

I believe she was a primary school teacher.

[@medicalbasils]

Sis be looking at the first word of the Wikipedia page ngl

[@plazmafields2612]

But she's being selfish. She said it herself "being vegan is more special" so she admits what she wants is attention, not to help animals. She wants people to notice her and think she's special, not think about the animals. Sounds pretty selfish to me

[@Gusielog]

Mhm yeah

[@ivory9217]

"Being vegan is more special" We dont want to be special, we just want to be accepted

[@blacky_Ninja]

@@ivory9217 „Oh yeah, now we have to accept them and next thing they demand being treated like they were actual humans as well. I‘m waaaay too special and am too much thinking about others and what they do to have time to think about what others want.“ 🧐

[@overgrownkudzu]

@@ivory9217 thisss i don't want attention. at all. i just want to be seen for who i am, if people didn't acknowledge it in any special way whatsoever i'd be 100% happy

[@epsilon-eleven]

Literally the only reason she makes a big deal out of being vegan, and "came out" as a vegan (which nobody really has to do, because it's not dangerous to do so), is for *attention and social media views.* She's a hypocrite of the highest calibre.

[@axyridis9436]

"hi my house is on fire" "oh my god all you talk about is yourself, so selfish"

[@NameName-yj7lp]

“ hey my cat just died, we had her for years I’m in so much pain. I didn’t think her death would come so soon” “ lol get a new one-“

[@RowanArk]

'Oh you managed to leave your abuser of several years? Ugh, how selfish'

[@humangarbage3019]

‘Oh you managed to leave your emotionally and physically abusive parent that has been manipulating you for as long as you can remember?Thats so fucking selfish, imagine how lonely they are now that you aren’t speaking to them.’

[@RowanArk]

@@humangarbage3019 that sounded like it came from a personal place, if so, I really hope you're doing okay👍

[@humangarbage3019]

@@RowanArk IT DIDNT I PROMISE IM OKAY LMAOOO

[@woomy2167]

"Just change your religion" has the same energy as "if you're suffocating, just breathe"

[@willdaisey7406]

Do you instead propose we advocate for people to stay in their religions regardless of if the religion is abusive?

[@woomy2167]

@@willdaisey7406 people can convert out of their religion IF THEY WANT TO but they shouldn't have to just because of the views of other people. It's the way TheVeganTeacher said that it's not that hard. For some religious people, it is.

[@willdaisey7406]

​@@woomy2167 It's not the views of other people. She said "if you're in a religion which treats you badly, just change religions" Religions are just cults anyway, imo, you shouldn't be in any religion

[@sunstarburstz]

@@willdaisey7406 religion is a really big part of religious people's lives and is very hard to let go and just change

[@willdaisey7406]

@@sunstarburstz i get that, but people should still encourage those to leave a religion which treats you bad or makes you feel trapped

[@Ed_Lothia]

Being a vegan and bisexual I can give this perspective: yes it's annoying to get all the vegan jokes thrown at you all the time, it's annoying to not have as much choices in restaurants and stores and people can be kind of mean. But I have NEVER been discriminated for being vegan, I have NEVER felt unsafe or threatened for being vegan... The comments and jokes comes from ignorance, yes, but people don't hate me for being vegan and don't want to cause me harm for being vegan. Being bisexual tho I've been discriminated and threatened, I've met people who hate me and want to harm me for being bisexual. It's NOT the same thing.

[@nuggethere844]

This is amazing

[@TUG657]

No one ever said they are the same🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ she just said that all discriminations are wrong. And yes, many vegans do get discriminated for being vegan.

[@neimyrd_junii]

@@TUG657 no vegans get discriminated for being vegan NO one. and many people have said they are the same..

[@jadelance]

@@TUG657 veganism is a choice, being judged for choices isn't discrimination

[@Bluebelle51]

@@TUG657 call me when your landlord throws you out of your apartment for being a vegan

[@TheQueerKiwi]

thank you for this! you always give such valuable input. thank you for suggesting my content 🥺 i’m glad you enjoyed my video 🥰 i know you’ve followed me for a while but i still low key have baby fan girl moments aha.

[@cinnamondevil8200]

Love you kiwi

[@rosiebowers1671]

I like your channel a lot! I very much appreciate your approach to veganism. Among other things, the acknowledgement that having an eating disorder can be a legitimate issue when considering becoming a vegan, and your nonjudgmental view of people who are only cutting down on animal products as opposed on going entirely vegan

[@cabreeziest1038]

I was so happy when he mentioned you!

[@mirroreclipsed3954]

Hi! I flipping love your videos, by the way. You are an inspiration.

[@dzvenyslavaschebet7572]

I'm a bisexual vegan girl. And I'm so thankful for your content, it means world for me 💛💛💛

[@joy7367]

as a vegan I hate that she's sort of blowing up, I feel like not a single vegan person agrees with her?? edit: here are a few recommendations of creators that make good vegan content!: cheap lazy vegan, mary's test kitchen, lisa kitahara others have recommended: tabitha brown, julien solomita, sustainably vegan, earthling ed, cosmic skeptic

[@joy7367]

@Darling Vexa Art absolutely!

[@Serpentrose]

@Darling Vexa Art Yes! Like the ones who share recipes for tasty noms!

[@Wendyroo6817]

Unnatural vegan sure does

[@jeanwire3221]

@@Wendyroo6817 which sucks, because I used to like UV, but she's had nothing but garbage takes since she started talking about BLM. But it seems like she's on her own anyway, since she's lost like 10,000 subscribers over the last few weeks.

[@Slimecantdefeatme]

I mean probably the homophobic/transphobic ones do. I've seen it before, and it weirds me out that some people are for animal rights but not certain human rights? Thats not unique to vegans though, I can think of many other groups, political and not, that have sectors of weird bigots they have to deal with.

[@storystimmler]

"Just change your religion" NO that's not how it works and that sentence literally made me start crying and just STOP that's not right

[@ummmmmmmmmmmm4293]

She literally told a kid to run away from home with their pet

[@willdaisey7406]

If you're in an abusive religion, get out of the religion. What's wrong with that?

[@littlebreadlive6232]

@@willdaisey7406 yummy pepperoni pizza

[@-toby-329]

@@willdaisey7406 it isn't always as easy as that and suggesting things like that to a family can lead to abusive situation or even being kicked out and on the streets. Especially if the person is a kid

[@kesitepe]

"If you're in a religion that treats you badly, then just change religions" has the same energy as "If the coastlines flooded, people on the coasts could just sell their homes and move somewhere else"

[@teijaflink2226]

And usually you can't just chance religion because something people believe in, it would be a long process for most people, first to realise what you believiäe is wrong and then start believing in something else. Such ridiculous comments from her, clearly just to provoke for views.

[@joelfortin6634]

This is literally what I thought when I heard that. "sell their houses to who? Fucking aquaman?"

[@QaydrGnl]

@@joelfortin6634 A I see you're someone of culture as well

[@lisaty5937]

@@teijaflink2226 Exactly. Also, what does changing one's religion help you if you still live in the same society? You might in fact be even more shunned and outlawed.

[@beth7935]

I made a complaint about sexual harrassment at uni & got told "why don't you move to another state to study?"

[@ebony6544]

“Every time someone steps up and says who they are, the world becomes a better, more interesting place.” Apologies for the cheesy Brooklyn 99 quote, but it's very true. And it's not just about coming out as LBGT, it's about everything. It's about being your authentic self in so many different ways. You're not selfish for just being you.

[@anhadbains4399]

Don't be sorry!! It's not cheesy ! It's wonderful ✨

[@alphaslootari3126]

Do not apologize for quoting Brooklyn 99. We stan the 99 in this house.

[@eddiejacobsson3895]

Nothing to apologize for, who dosen't love brooklyn nine nine

[@miiballin]

I love this quote a lot

[@theboogeyman2590]

It aint cheesy, we all love B99

[@lynnclaywood4043]

Her argument was that something is "selfish" when it's "about yourself". That's the weakest shit I've ever heard.

[@user-hello2]

Yeah, imagine if we had that attitude about everything. ‘I went for a walk’ ‘You’re so selfish’

[@VLena_art]

Breathing is selfish and harmful for the environment.😂

[@gaildahlas]

I now refuse to eat food, because I do so to keep myself alive and tiktok internet lady said that's selfish

[@undefinederror40404]

@@VLena_art lmao that's true though. Being alive is selfish, at the end of the line we take more from the planet than we give. But what's the alternative? Not being alive? If that's a good option, she should take the lead. You have to be selfish at times, it's just a fact of life. Yes I think we should work to spread awareness and improve things for the world, but guess what- in order to do that you gotta live...

[@VLena_art]

@@undefinederror40404 wow that is so true. beautifully said.

[@SayuuTheSleepy]

"Coming out as lgbt is selfish and coming out as vegan is more special" *sniff* smell that? Yes I smell the scent of hipocrisy in the air (I am bisexual btw)

[@willdaisey7406]

Where is the hypocrisy?

[@wit681]

@@willdaisey7406 if a vegan refers to it as "coming out" as vegan (as i'm sure only ThatVeganTeacher does), they're probably just doing it to feel special & not to help anyone. the hypocrisy is that she's making that criticism of coming out as LGBTQ+ (which does actually help others) & claiming that "coming out" as vegan isn't selfish.

[@exactlythisisdumb]

Its also very ironic cuz she is bisexual herself😭

[@victoriavivianschneider7634]

I think she has a very unhealthy definition for “selfish”. It seems like for her, If you did anything for yourself, you are “selfish”.In this way, self-care is also “selfish”, anytime you don’t sacrifice for others, you are “selfish”.

[@sarahgent2674]

Yeah, like by her definition eating any food is selfish because other people are starving and they could use that. But uh,, spoiler alert you should still eat food.

[@nightshade8928]

A lot of people have a hard time with self care _BECAUSE_ of these types of statements and people. It is harmful, and it needs to stop.

[@victoriamaakulmamerijarvi9036]

You're absolutely right about that. That's a scary mentality that we also see elsewhere in our societies, like that overworking is the correct thing to do and people who take more time for themselves and work less are "lazy"... or that if a friend asks for your help, you have to say yes even if you're exhausted and need a break. Our own health and wellbeing matter just as much as others'.

[@Lillith.]

It is a terrible definition to have, but it is one some people hold. To the extent that doing anything for yourself is selfish to you. I used to believe that anything that wasn't just keeping me healthy and alive was selfish. Healthy because someone would have to take care of me and alive because it could traumatize and/or inconvenience a person if someone would find me.

[@the_nikster1]

THIS!

[@cethlikestf]

As a great man once said: BOI HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND CAUSE I'LL HELP YA FIND IT

[@florabelliardo3577]

Yesss Stanleyyy!

[@muticfox3189]

@@florabelliardo3577 🥰🥰

[@faenene]

Oh my gosh I love your pfp

[@Sam-sp4pt]

Such wise words

[@snowpoler]

Gotta love the MVP, Stanley Hudson! :D

[@Ty-gc6tk]

THE SHOCK IN YOUR FACE WHEN SHE SAID “JUST CHANGE RELIGIONS” IS THE TYPE OF REACTION ALL OF SOCIETY SHOULD HAVE

[@alilwoozyhere]

as a bisexual Christian let me tell you my jaw DROPPED when I heard that. like sis that is NOT the move 😂😳

[@seraphrog8986]

as a lesbian christian my jaw dropped because no-

[@Hazyla]

I did not cry at 2am when I was 10 and pray to god to make me normal if I could ‘just change religions’

[@julielove370]

It honestly has a lot of “if you don’t like the minimum wage then get a better job” or “if you don’t like it here then move” type of energy. Very “why then, do they not eat cake?”

[@Ty-gc6tk]

i’m a muslim trans guy, it was a big no. i was there laughing like “she can’t be serious” then realised she was 😭✋

[@RexPersonthing]

"If you're in a religion that treats you badly, then just change religions" HEY VEGAN TEACHER, IF YOU'RE ON A PLANET THAT LIKES EATING ANIMALS, JUST CHANGE PLANETS

[@lemcy1256]

omegalol! nice one!

[@funnyvideoguy3216]

Welp, time to litteraly warp my mind to believe something else as that is am action that humans are totally capable of

[@kreeative_error1897]

Apply ice to the burned area

[@MBZ901]

she should totally do that /hj

[@HaleyJo1992]

I always wonder what people like this lady think of the millions of other animals that kill and eat each other. Probably the same people who try to put their cats on vegan diets and then wonder why they're getting sick and dying.

[@inky_arts212]

“Just change your religion” has the same energy as “your dog just died, just get a new one”

[@renhey9979]

More lime "your dog is slightly ill, Change it,"

[@dori_casper]

and what religion accepts lgbt (or which religion isn't bwung used to hate in lgbt)

[@thepupsthatrescuedme4452]

Or hon I got you a identical dog because ours pass (the new dog is dead to in case you don’t get it)

[@urmom-lo7wf]

Also has similar energy to “Just figured out I’m queer but my parents don’t except me, just find some new ones”

[@inky_arts212]

Adding on to what everyone is saying, “oh your having a panic attack, just calm down”

[@Levi_is_Smol]

As a vegan myself, and as a gay trans man, this teacher makes me angry.

[@ghostly046]

This has nothing to do with your comment, but I love your pfp

[@Artemis3456]

as a vegan can you eat ice cream- just asking

[@Levi_is_Smol]

@@Artemis3456 I can but I don't, I just don't like it. In fact, I can eat absolutely everything, I just choose not to. There is vegan ice cream as well.

[@rossbarone298]

@@Artemis3456 dairy free ice cream is actually really good if you get the right brands!! (not vegan, just lactose intolerant but i like ice cream)

[@yeetone6910]

Are you a vegan who just wanted to try something new

[@OnyxLotus]

"just change religions" is like saying "if being poor negatively affects you, just stop being poor!"

[@simranpanesar9275]

its almost like saying ' being oppressed for being lgbtq+? just don't be'

[@TorutheRedFox]

@@simranpanesar9275 or "you're drowning? just come out of the water"

[@vampyrekyng_lex]

“You don’t wanna be murdered? Don’t get murdered then”

[@kilometers671]

“Suffocating? Just breathe the air”

[@valeale8851]

Tired of living in a capitalist society? Don't be!

[@elineivens]

Why is no one talking about how calm and soft his voice sounds?!

[@kellyedwards421]

"Coming out as Vegan" should not be a statement ever said in sincerity "Becoming Vegan" sure "Choosing veganism" sure "Coming out as vegan" no

[@nadines.1107]

Yeah, all those closet vegans, secretly drinking oat milk...

[@agiidandelion9518]

On behalf of all vegans, we do not claim her 💔

[@jackr2500]

Seriously. I’ve never heard of someone facing any type of backlash for being vegan. Being lgbtq on the other hand...

[@mariellejensen6297]

@@jackr2500 Not at all to compare it to coming out as a LGBTQ+, just on the subject that there is backlash: Some people, especially kids and teens still living at home, can get backlash for announcing they are/want to be vegan. When you have the very strong belief that eating animal products=eating individuals that want to live you can’t really go back (well, most people can’t anyway). Being limited and even forbidden to avoid animal products by your parents can truly be awful. I’ve read countless of stories from teens in this situation, being forced by their parents to continue to eat meat/milk etc. Some end up avoiding to eat all together because the thought of eating ”a friend” is so unthinkable. Just wanted to mention that :) / a Vegan that don’t like That Vegan Teacher

[@leedent7260]

@@mariellejensen6297 exactly! "that vegan teacher" does not or should not set a precedent for our community, I just don't want a calf to be dragged away from their mum and killed to keep her lactating etc. it doesn't make me a bad intentioned person or somehow a justified target of persecution yet it can cause controversy in our world to be vegan and well it is becoming more normal thank goodness but we aren't all the way there to being like anybody else..

[@teawanee]

The problem with that vegan teacher is most of the "hate" she receives isn't because she's vegan, it's because she makes videos that spread hate and lies. Comparing her brand of veganism to being lgbt isn't comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing apples and rotten onions.

[@justcomments]

Yes! It’s like Karens pulling the white-racism card 😂

[@vampyrekyng_lex]

@@justcomments Exactly. Racism exists everywhere against everyone but racism is being bullied, abused or even KILLED for your race. Not “Oh someone called me out on my bullshit! That’s racist!!”

[@facelessdrone]

Yeah, trust me when I say, vegans don't claim her, she is an outlier, the majority of us are respectful.

[@wonderlust1308]

You can’t choose to be gay but can choose to be vegan - veganism is a lifestyle choice, obviously. This is coming from a bisexual vegan ✌️

[@lionrei4607]

Also what I've seen from her is that she presents even veganism kinda badly? Like, for example keeping her dog vegan and preaching about animal rights or similar stuff? Yeah sounds legit and all

[@jacksonbourassa8067]

Elliot Page coming out as trans created a dialogue with my transphobic father, and the next day I came out. Elliot gave me courage and started the discussion, proving the act of coming out is not selfish as it impacts others positively as you stated.

[@Skyisgoingbacktopluto]

Is that pfp a trans acrylic pour or just a camo? Because either one is cool af.

[@keahiw]

Congrats!

[@rosaunolalintino]

We're all proud of you! 💛

[@gracelaw1985]

Elliot page helps me to justify my preferred pronoun signature at the bottom of my company email. I can explain to them why I need to have the preferred pronoun even I am cis gender. And I am happy that some colleagues follow this 🥰

[@sarthakghatkar2529]

You are so brave and we all are proud of you 💜💜

[@ohhiimmary4035]

As a queer vegan, my respect for him went 📈📈📈. It was handled in such a respectful and non biased way! Loved this video :)

[@willdaisey7406]

It was biased and ignorant though

[@wit681]

@@willdaisey7406 how?

[@littlebreadlive6232]

@@willdaisey7406 mmm I like this mac&cheese

[@NothenButHell]

I came out to my mom as Ace today, expecting some type of "but are you sure" or "you just need your hormones checked" like I have gotten so far. And she's just like "yeah I already expected that". I did not know how to respond, but it made me happy.

[@marinacosta8835]

Congratulations on coming out! It's wonderful that you were so openly and readly accepted by your family!

[@Xman34washere]

She just predicted and accepted this fact. That is epic poggers.

[@jeanbanks7301]

Good for you.🤗

[@KrisHe1]

Woop! Love that from you! I've actually never officially come out? Like my friends know very explicitly, but not my family? But I'm 25 now, and I know if I "come out", not a single person would be surprised. Like I have a giant pride-flag in my bedroom that my parents have seen as I hung it up while they were helping me move, I have a hand-held prideflag in my window, and being ace queer-romantic, they have pretty much accepted I have no interest in relationships at this point in time, nor do I want children. I don't think anyone would even be slightly surprised. But I'm privileged for that. And it hasn't always been like that, my mom used to be pretty homophobic. But she has listened to me when I confront her, my dad confronts her (he is very much a feminist, love that haha), and yeah, I don't feel it would be necessary at this point. But coming out was something I was terrified of. So kudos to you! We all grow, and not knowing how someone will react to such a big part of YOU is terrifying! So happy for you!

[@Roo-tabaga]

Congratulations!! I may be late, but I’m so glad it went well!!

[@dead-strawberrie]

“Just change your religion” “coming out is selfish” that’s like saying “if you’re homeless, just buy a house” and “if you’re super depressed, you can’t take care of yourself until everyone around you is happy”

[@drygonfyre]

"Oh, you're depressed? Just be happy!"

[@amymythen3744]

You're asthmatic, just breathe

[@NWolfsson]

"They don't have bread? Let them have brioche!" Yes, I went for a French Revolution quote. That's how mad I am.

[@alexanderfo3886]

Also, it leaves out the fact that leaving a discriminating religion doesn't stop this religion from keeping its influence. I'm baffled about such a level of unworldlyness.

[@raapyna8544]

@@alexanderfo3886 "Everyone who's hated, just leave! These people will never hate again!"

[@Lic021]

I literally stopped talking to a friend of mine because she tried to claim 'coming out' as vegan is more frightening than coming out as LGBT+ I'm bi. she's cishet. I told her she had no idea what she was talking about and she doubled down -.-

[@Lic021]

oh AND she had been vegetarian her entire life, and her entire family were also vegetarian. changing her diet to now just not eat milk and eggs as well as not eating meat was barely any difference at all and literally no one cared

[@Lic021]

like I was 99% sure no one I knew would care when I came out (had a fair few out friends, and my brother had come out a few years earlier) but it was STILL the most terrifying thing I've ever done in my life, to the point which I could barely speak pretty much every time I told someone for the first few times

[@undefinederror40404]

@Irix vegans definitely get worse, they also get harassed and threatened. However! It is not at all comparable to the rate and intensity that the lgbtq+ community faces. So a comparison is just... pointless and insensitive to the lgbtq+.

[@violetsdaises]

@@undefinederror40404 'Vegans definitely get worse however it is not at all comparable to to the rate and intensity that the lgbtq community faces' are you saying the Lgbtq community has it worse or vegans? 😐

[@julietsrhino7079]

Being cishet myself...the fremdschämen is real. Because as a vegan you face so much violence and erasure. And it's not a choice I guess...Argh!

[@katierobertson1682]

I find it funny how shes always complaining that people should be kind and saying people should stop being mean to her but then she tells people to "shut their fing mouth" and literally yelling at people and spewing abuse.

[@floralfox]

By her “logic”, doing most stuff is selfish, like sleeping or eating, since you aren’t bettering the lives of anyone else but yourself. I’m honestly just tired of this bullcrap, why can’t people just be accepted for who they are, LGBTQ+ included?

[@dfquartzidn6151]

Yeah...Also, ThatVeganTeacher is just annoyingly messed up and doesn’t seem to be someone who’s going to accept help in any shape or form. Reasoning with her seems futile. Although, her influence is quite dangerous, that’s why we gotta stop her. You have any ideas on how to make that happen?

[@MistressFearless]

@@dfquartzidn6151 We could flag her for hate speech?

[@dfquartzidn6151]

@@MistressFearless Well that’s one thing out of the way.

[@dragonispurple6075]

you breathe? quit being so selfish

[@boomyn]

Bettering yourself is a great thing. By doing it you'll give positive energy to the people around you, and become more motivated in general. You can aspire to be something big and better others, but you can't do that if you don't become a better person yourself. However, there is more to life than that, you can still better the lives of people around you, even if it's one person,. Once again, you can't do that if you don't better your own life.

[@Tatted_twilek]

I really don't understand her comparing being vegan to being lgbtq+. Never had a single problem with my choice in not eating meat

[@eliasbischoff176]

I know, right? There is literally no overlap between the two things.

[@xxlolkirby64xx22]

Ikr, being vegan is a choice. Being LGBTQIA+ is something you're born with.

[@MichiB]

I do think these two topics/communities overlap. Not for everyone of corse but in my experience for me personally. I struggled with the social construct and didn't know why until I saw vegans in the media and got the opportunity to educate my self and then I "came out" and I felt like I finally am myself who I always was just couldn't put all the puzzle pieces together. So we do need representation and more ppl bering open about their lifestyle just like the lgbtq community needs and deserves. As I said not the same but for me it felt quite similar

[@eliasbischoff176]

@@MichiB okay, I do understand that. Haven't thought about it like that. Honestly, I'm not sure how to feel about that, but I'll consider it

[@blinda1808]

@@MichiB OK now I'm curious, are you coming from a family who is eating meat every day and never got any information about being vegan from them or friends etc.? Because just from my personal experience, I did not experience any of what you described, and telling someone I'm vegan (or trying my best to be) is something I am very indifferent to and I wouldn't compare it to telling someone I'm gay. But on the other both my siblings are vegan and some of my friends too, so I was just interested if that background situation is different with you?😅

[@Noah-hn]

okay wow... as a vegan, transgender, gay guy i have to say, that "coming out" as a vegan was NOTHING in comparison to coming out as transgender why does she even compare these completely differnt things?!? I am so sorry and i really hope, that people do not get a false image of veganism or vegan people because this is NOT how we are....No, just no

[@ardismoden8361]

Exactly, I'm vegan and lgbtq and I really disagree fully with That Vegan Teacher. Most vegans do not stand for that kind of ignorance, and it makes me so disappointed to see people like this...

[@kaydent5741]

Completely agreed. It's been easier for my mum to accept veganism and cook vegan food than changing my gender identity. Vegans get harassed (which the vegan teacher doesn't help with), LGBTQ people get harassed, this isn't a competition of who's the most oppressed

[@penguovo9514]

@@kaydent5741 Funny it was for a friend the other way around with his mom. She was kind when it came to being gay but not eating animal products was something like a threat to her. He didn't tell her for months because even before becoming vegan, when not eating a schnitzel it was like "are you a vegetarian now?!" with anger/outrage in her voice and expression. Kinda weird...

[@3ll3llyyy]

@@penguovo9514 if shes European i can see why shed get mad lol my dad hated the thought of me going vegan or even vegetarian

[@nicolasa-g1038]

Same on all fronts, it's super annoying that these are the vegans getting attention. "Vegan" is not a persecuted category and I've been way more scared just existing as an lgbt person than the occasional difficulty in finding a place to have lunch

[@catalyst_and_chaos]

hi so I’m cis/het (a firm ally, but probably not the most qualified to speak on this topic) and I’ve seen at least half of my friends come out. Even though my friends know that I’m an ally and think that everyone is equal and deserves to have the same, they all say that it’s still scary. It’s not selfish. If anything, I find that those people are some of the bravest people I know. The sheer AMOUNT of casual transphobia and homophobia that happens at my school and outside of it is intolerable, even if it doesn’t directly affect me. If someone tells you to use certain pronouns or tells you that they prefer a certain name, that’s not them being selfish, it’s them wanting to have their identity respected. If someone used he/him pronouns for me, I’d feel uncomfortable. It’s the same for trans people (as in plz don’t misgender them if they’ve told u their preferred pronouns/name)

[@spentheomninb60]

Thank you for being a good a ally :]

[@catalyst_and_chaos]

I try. Tysm tho

[@-toby-329]

Thankyou! I'm a closeted trans guy, I genuinely don't see how me coming out will ever be selfish when it will be the moment I finally live as who I am! I love your part about how calling a cis person their wrong pronouns will make them uncomfy just like a trans person, it's a point I'd want a lot more people to know. Maybe next time the transphobe of my class says something to my friend I'll call him a 'she' just to see how he feels and hopefully make him rethink just a little. (Overall it'd be hilarious to see his face)

[@catalyst_and_chaos]

Okay so update: I am a lesbian-

[@-toby-329]

@@catalyst_and_chaos Haha well good job on finding out your sexuality! :)

[@olixvx]

So many in the vegan community are angry at her at the moment. She's been mentioned in a lot of the vegan groups I'm in and I don't think I've come across any of us who actually support her. She's awful in many ways 😔 As an LGBTQ+ vegan and animal rights activist, I agree with everything you say.

[@ivoryrose4812]

Wouldn't you think that by now, she would realize that SHE'S the one in the wrong when even her own group is disagreeing with her? I can't tell if she GENUINELY thinks that she's in the right, or if she's plugging her ears to continue preaching. But my bet's on that she's purposefully blocking things out to preach veganism

[@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108]

Can we create a word for vegans who are in-your-face about being vegan that’s different to the word for vegans who just want better living conditions and more humane slaughtering methods for the animals? Like... negans. Short for ‘do Not associate us with rEal veGANS’

[@littlebreadlive6232]

@Will Daisey wya

[@yeahyeah4914]

That vegan teacher: "I'm not homophobic!!!" Also that vegan teacher: "coming out is selfish!"

[@matildas3177]

*shell-fish*

[@r.i.pmydog7723]

Maybe this is a bad take but something I thinks about I don’t think you can be vegan and homophobic at the same time, if your vegan bc you care about the well being of all beings that include humans. That’s like a feminist being homophobic you can’t be feminist if you only care about straight women and not all woman.

[@matildas3177]

@@r.i.pmydog7723 that's my view of it too, if you care about all animals that should truly mean all animals including humans. or if feminist, you should want equality and a good life for all humans not just white cishet women.

[@akeenanimeiz720]

Oh and guess what? Later she said she’s lesbian so people don’t call her homophobic. She has a husband.

[@ilikecookies9796]

I would say I feel sorry for the guy, but realistically, he's probably a giant asshat too.

[@lunabakker1630]

She said she was bisexual in a later video but it is still weird.

[@lunabakker1630]

I don’t think she knows the right terms tbh

[@akeenanimeiz720]

@@lunabakker1630 yeah, idek anymore

[@A_Person167-8]

That has the same energy as "I'm not racist, I have a black friend"

[@irispostma2679]

As an asexual vegan I want to thank you for being so respectful and lovely. You explained everything so nicely and I agree with everything you said. I honestly hadn't heard of her before (I live under a rock) and I'm just so... disappointed right now. Veganism is about living healthy and sustainibly, but it's also (very importantly) about showing love and kindness, and being respectful towards everything that lives. In regards to sustainability, climate change, animal rights and human & lgbtqia rights I often get so frustrated and confused about how people are so backwards towards just living in a respectful way. Towards others, towards the planet.. The amount of times I've said "I honestly don't get humans" in the last few years. I seriously don't get why people can't accept that we are all wonderfully diverse. Love is love, transwomen are women, transmen are men, sex is not some necesity (it's not like there aren't enough humans on our planet already) and showing some basic respect is not gonna kill you. Long rant short: Just be kind and respectful to everything that lives♡ Sorry for this long rant. I hope you all have a lovely day!

[@1evonvielen]

100% agree! And I'm an ace vegan too, let's swap out favourite vegan garlic bread recipes 🤓

[@irispostma2679]

@@1evonvielen honestly if I had a good recipe I would 🙈

[@emmathe82nd]

My day:📉📉📉📉 Jamie: hey spuds My day:📈📈📈📈 Edit: thanks for all the likes!

[@Quanice815]

Same

[@medicalbasils]

Me two

[@lycaptain]

Yesss

[@marsbarr4144]

.........📈 ....📈 📈

[@Jammidodger]

🥺 have a great day 💛

[@laras.7670]

"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live" - Oscar Wilde So basically. The Vegan Teacher is the selfish one here

[@lilyannavalley6057]

Wow

[@eliasbischoff176]

Someone woke up and chose logic today and I'm all here for it!

[@cloudman9230]

So true...

[@ldbonq]

No but by her logic Oscar Wilde is also selfish

[@emmacobb591]

I wish more people were vegan and I also wish everyone was kind, respectful and understanding of everyone LGBTQ+ .

[@kiarablack5349]

When I told people I decided to go vegan, (key word: decided, being lgbt isn't a choice) I got responses like "ok" "what about protein?" "Good for you, but I could never give up cheese!" Coming out as or even insinuating I might be a lesbian, I've had responses like "I don't want to see you go to hell." "Do you ever get horny?" " Why do you care so much about their rights? Are you GAY?!" "You don't look like a lesbian / I thought you were straight." "I could never be attracted to another woman, that's just gross." Yeah... not the same thing.

[@willdaisey7406]

Yeah... that's just your anecdote. Not all places are as friendly to vegans as they are LGBTQ+. TVT is bisexual, when she came out she didn't receive negativity, unlike how people literally tried to kidnap her dog, and doxed her, because she's a vegan animal rights activist. Also, being vegan isn't 'just a choice'. Veganism is an ethical principle, you cannot just change your ethical beliefs to whatever you want. It's like saying being anti-murder is just a choice. No, it's not just a choice, you can't just suddenly decide one day that you're okay with murder. Your comment is extremely ignorant.

[@crowqueenamps]

​@Will Daisey Are you really insulating that those in the LBGTQIA+ community get less discriminated against than vegans, who can decide whether to stop being vegan or not? Speak of an ignorant comment.

[@willdaisey7406]

​@@crowqueenamps I already explained why veganism is not a choice. Can you just decide to be okay with murder? I would guess that you can't. And in TVT's particular case, she feels that she actually was discriminated against more for being a vegan than for being bisexual. I don't think I said or insinuated that LGBTQ+ people get discriminated against less than vegans, I don't know where you think I said that, but for what it's worth: Vegans are constantly seen in a negative light, and unlike other forms of discrimination such as sexism or racism, it is not considered a societal problem. There's evidence of the bias and discrimination vegans face, whether it be in the workplace or in relationships/family. Vegans losing their friends, not getting hired or getting fired, or facing disrespectful/offensive behaviour is not uncommon. One study conducted in 2015 found that “attitudes toward vegetarians and vegans were equivalent to, or more negative than, evaluations of common prejudice target groups… Both vegetarians and vegans were evaluated equivalently to immigrants, asexuals, and atheists, and significantly more negatively than Blacks. Vegetarians were evaluated equivalently to homosexuals, whereas vegans were evaluated more negatively than homosexuals.” In fact, the study found that only drug addicts were seen more negatively than vegans. I'm not saying that vegans get discriminated more so than LGBTQ+ people, but it's not surprising that in some places in the world, some people will be discriminated against more for being vegan whereas being bisexual (like TVT) is generally going to be accepted, or at least less discriminated against. I don't think you can speak on behalf of TVT when you know nothing of her experience.

[@5h3i1ah_and_Nik0]

@@willdaisey7406 > Can you just decide to be okay with murder? I mean... yeah? Morality isn't objective, you can choose whether or not you think are good or bad and you can choose what actions you take in pursuit of those values. Veganism is a matter of morality, of _deciding_ that the consumption of animal products is bad and _deciding_ that you're willing to act on that by avoiding animal products. I myself _decided_ quite a ways back that I agreed with vegan moral values, and some time after that, _decided_ that I wanted to go vegan in support of those morals. Changing your morals may be difficult, sure, but you can absolutely choose your morals and the actions you take for them. Since veganism is a moral philosophy, the same applies to it. I could decide here and now that, for one reason or another, the abuse of animals isn't actually enough of an issue to concern myself with, and I can decide right now to give up on being vegan. I wouldn't, of course, the thought of it disgusts me, but it's absolutely something I could do. OTOH, I can't just, say, turn off my attraction to different types of people, even if I actively try to suppress it.

[@willdaisey7406]

@@5h3i1ah_and_Nik0 Morality is just as subjective as sexual preference, what are you talking about? You can change your moral reasoning or how you express your morals, but you can't change the fundamental feeling of what is good and bad, just as you can't change the feeling of your sexual preference.

[@moothevegan4440]

Ty for backing up veganism and just talking about the person and not blaming the movement

[@buggy9094]

I while ago I decided to put “🏳️‍🌈” in my social media bio so that I could feel like I was being true to myself and show my growth from being internally homophobic towards myself to loving and respecting my sexuality and the sexuality/gender/etc. of others. The great thing about this is one of my mutuals asked me about the flag and even felt comfortable enough because of that to tell me that he’s questioning his sexuality. I’m so glad I can be there for him now because a small act that may seem selfish to an outside viewer helped him to feel safe and welcome. 💖

[@Alekspfg]

it's a bit ridiculous how google still hasn't added the rainbow flag and its represented by a flag and a rainbow next to each other

[@katie6731]

Your friend's decision to confide in you proves that choosing to put a 🏳️‍🌈 in your bio wasn't selfish at all. You created an environment that made someone else comfortable at risk to yourself. That's _courage._ If a group of bigots had decided to target you for your self-expression, then It could have easily turned out to be a sacrifice on your part. I don't know if this will mean anything, since I'm just some stranger on the internet, but, I'm proud of you. A staggering number of people never achieve the kind of self-acceptance that you've worked for. 💙

[@CharlieAfton83]

@@katie6731 o no katie (I’m just kidding your a really nice person)

[@raghavnanda6312]

Might just be me, but isn't "coming out" as a vegan kinda like coming out as a volunteer at a homeless shelter?

[@firewolf7108]

I know right, thats exactly what i thought. Its more selfish the way she says about coming out as vegan lol. Oh sorry i probably dont make sense heh😆

[@PirateQueen1720]

I mean, I guess vegans get made fun of more than people who volunteer, which is why admitting to being vegan could be seen as "brave". But...stuff like this doesn't help. This just reinforces the impression that some people have that vegans don't care about anything other than being vegan and are disrespectful to people who aren't.

[@M_M_ODonnell]

For certain hardliners like "Vegan" "Teacher," promoting their own self-righteousness is the whole point -- they're "spreading" the "moral position" by insisting that diet is the only morally significant choice, so they're more righteous than everyone else by definition, and bragging about it only makes them more righteous. A few of them (I can't remember whether VT was one of them) have even taking to insisting that capitalism, economic exploitation, etc. must be maintained so that veganism can continue to be a personal choice; if not eating meat were the norm, then they wouldn't be able to feel as righteous, so that has to be prevented.

[@skriela-la-li9767]

Those would be the same, if actively harming homeless people was the norm, and you would get made fun of, and have to change a big part of your life, if you volunteer at a homeless shelter.

[@stevenhale2935]

I don't think there's much value in drawing an analogy, it is what it is. If anything most similar to 'coming out' as a feminist.

[@multifanderisverycrafty]

She’s gonna be on you within an instant, but I’ll be there just as quickly to defend you Edit: I hate to be that one person but I didn’t expect to have so many of the you know whats.

[@robin3771]

There's gonna be an army of spuds flooding her comment section if so

[@gabsterrocks1980]

@@robin3771 EXACTLY

[@multifanderisverycrafty]

@@robin3771 I’m a spud, a dazzler, and a Fander. I’m also into a lot of other fandoms, hence the name, lol. 😁

[@ZeldaRoseSongbook]

@@multifanderisverycrafty I'm a fairly new Dazzler and Spud, but a Fander for years. The second I see that inevitable nat1 of a TVT clapback, I'll be right there with you.

[@andreaf8404]

yeah she’s crazy

[@thats_a_cat6902]

Why is it that whenever I watch Jamie I feel inspired to be a better person.

[@llamaloo6668]

She’s also antisemitic and ableist. She’s just overall a bad person and idk why she has a platform other than she deletes comments and blocks people holding her accountable for her actions

[@athenarocks7657]

Yeah, I'm a black jewish person and seeing her actively makes me want to eat more meat just to spite her.

[@m4dmax977]

she’s also racist

[@sillykitty234]

Honestly, she should delete all the old nasty videos and set up those "my vegan journery" things and make an apology video, if she cares about animals so much then she should protest about mink fur and bettering the farms. (aka, let them live like animals untill its their time, since its inhumane the way we farm.)

[@lilycat2080]

@@athenarocks7657 that makes me so angry! Being vegan is good for your body and the environment and she is so hateful and using veganism as a tool to spread her BS and it actually turns people off to being vegan.

[@nicomoist5336]

@@sillykitty234 i live on a farm and we do eat our own animals, but we try to make them live as happy and fat as possible lol If I'm eating meat on a holiday, its usually from the store or animals that we know have been treated humanely I knew a vegan who only ate the meat their family hunted. It was a very interesting take on their vegan lifestyle :D

[@orbitsomnia3827]

As a vegan, we don't claim her. And also, no one should feel bad for coming out and it is something special and very brave to come out :) Have a nice day ^^

[@redcapo011]

Agreed, none shall accept the dusty stick-in-the-hole.

[@redcapo011]

@Silent Youngsters never even knew about that...

[@redcapo011]

@Silent Youngsters wish Hades would claim her and put her in the Fields of Punisment, or Hel and slap her in Helheim.

[@orbitsomnia3827]

@Touko Fukawa I think it depends, in my country veganism is easily accessible and cheap, for others it might be different :)

[@orbitsomnia3827]

@Touko Fukawa so this depends If you want and can go vegan, but if your parents aren't providing for you and you're not getting enough nutritients, then I don't think it's worth it. It'd be better to wait until you have your own place or at least a job. I know some friends who were stressed when going vegan initially because their parents weren't helpful but then when they moved out it was a lot easier.

[@davidblakley6806]

isn't "you're being selfish a guilt tactic used by homophobic parents"

[@kaylinhendrich4673]

Yes.

[@faithfm1]

💯

[@mauricethegecko9700]

Yeah, and I'm afraid my family would pull that card.

[@-Your_Local_Idiot-]

His eyes when your vegan teacher said to just change of religion were bigger than my future 😂

[@lemmonboy6459]

“Is being yourself selfish? “ I mean, kinda? That’s the point???

[@amberr3662]

Well if being happy with and accepting of who you are counts as selfish, then I guess?

[@cordeliajackson8615]

Being constantly selfless will wear you out. Like most things in life, there’s a balance. It’s different for different people but still, there needs to be a balance between selfishness and selflessness. Edit: in the words of Janus Sanders, “You need to unlearn that selfish is a dirty word.”

[@amberr3662]

@@cordeliajackson8615 THIS

[@trixxartarchive7705]

@@amberr3662 not necessarily as it can effect relationship and help make you and the person they are with happy and coming out can help others like before I came out I saw a lot of coming out videos and it just helped me feel spoken and I am the happiest I've ever been.

[@artistic.and.autistic]

It's not selfish, it's self-preservation. Selfish synonyms: egocentric · egotistic · egotistical · egomaniacal · self-centred · self-regarding · self-absorbed · self-obsessed · self-seeking · self-serving · wrapped up in oneself · inward-looking · introverted · self-loving · inconsiderate · thoughtless · unthinking · uncaring · heedless · unmindful · regardless · insensitive · tactless · uncharitable · unkind · miserly · grasping · greedy · mercenary · money-grubbing · acquisitive ·

[@allegedlyni6939]

The comment about “ just changing religion “ is horrible. Some people don’t want to and some people can’t. You never know what circumstances someone is given, especially when they’re also lgbtq 💕

[@boblecube6285]

Exactly. I live in a Muslim family and I know that I couldn't just change my religion just by clapping my hands, that's not how it works. She's clearly uniformed for a "teacher", I mean if I ever said that I change my religion or come out as pansexual to my family, I'm hundred percent sure that a large part of my family wouldn't talk to me anymore. I wish people like her could be able to think before talking, and take good criticism as an advice and not as a personal attack.

[@allegedlyni6939]

@@boblecube6285 so well said. If you’re pan, hope you come to safety and authenticity soon . Whatever that means to you 😊

[@just_lex1626]

Plus, no matter what religion somebody is, LGBTQ+ people are still discriminated against in so many ways.

[@duderyandude9515]

Belief isn’t a choice. You can’t *choose* to change your religious beliefs. Plus, religion is poisonous and it is hard for many people to escape.

[@smudgerat9624]

I assume she’s atheist and is coming from the “it’s no problem to exchange one false belief for another” angle. I am also atheist but I have some compassion and understanding of other humans so I know you can just switch up what you believe because it’s not convenient for you any more.

[@JonMarkDeane]

As a very gay very vegan, this 'teacher' needs to learn some intersectionality. Being out as gay person is as *necessary* for me as being ethical in my existence.

[@nooba220]

Yes, Being your best self makes you become better to others :)

[@ambar_5990]

I get some horrible comments when I say I have pet rats (I’m also vegan) does that warrant coming out as a rat owner 😂

[@JonMarkDeane]

@@ambar_5990 ...

[@nooba220]

@@ambar_5990 I think rats are cute

[@lunabakker1630]

Yeah she is also bisexual she claims. She also used this as a statement to say she is not homophobic. This is completely false, people from lgbtqia+ can have internalized homophobia

[@oliveintheroom1336]

Came out to my parents 3 times (as transmasc) Things I’ve been told; “God doesn’t make mistakes” “You’re being peer pressured” “You’re too young to be trans” “They/them prounouns are plural” “It is for objects” “He/Him is for boys, you’re not a boy” “Non-binary isn’t real.” “So you want me to just let you completely change who you are?”

[@beardiedragling9803]

I'm so sorry, thats awful. I hope you know none of those things are true, and you are a wonderful person

[@jamesnelson6656]

God made you a man, the earth made you a woman.

[@arthurspils2565]

The last one is the oddest imo, like 1. No, it's coming out as a different gender not getting a personality transplant, still the same person, and 2. TF do you mean "let", it's none of your goddam business even if it was a personality swap, people have autonomy. Hope things have gotten better since you posted this

[@Tomatry]

That vegan teacher has said and done a lot of horrible things. Honestly part of me thinks she says radical things for the attention.

[@russianbot1339]

It’s a very common strategy that’s clearly working for her. I have no doubt she’s being deliberative provocative for attention.

[@Nocturne22]

She's apparently not even vegan lol. Just nuts.

[@somethingcool0808]

Yeah she’s mad ngl. I am vegan and it’s horrid cuz she makes us all look horrible

[@ellouisebadger849]

yep

[@OMGitsaClaire]

Because of people coming out and living out, the Trevor Project and other LGBT hotlines exist which have saved the lives of countless unknown numbers of people. I think that’s incredibly un-selfish. LGBT folks are literally out there saving each other’s lives over the phone.

[@3L3CTR4H34RT]

Homophobes: “We’re being attacked and silenced!” Me, an autistic, non-binary pan: Mhm, so please go on about how you’re hated for something you can’t control or that you feel defines you better? And yes. I’m being more open about my autism than I ever have in the past 5 years that people other than my family have known me to have it. So yeah. Hate all you want, I can take it. Just make sure you fact-check your hate (Autism Speaks doesn’t count). And I am also openly a member of the LGBTQ+ community!

[@PeakLinear]

SO TRUE! I'm both omnisexual and genderfluid, and I know that people online have said "Genderfluids don't exist!!!" and it's stupid! PS: You seem like a nice person 🤗✨✨

[@3L3CTR4H34RT]

@@PeakLinear 1) Ikr! 2) Update, I'm genderfluid, abro, and aceflux :) 3) Thanks, and you seem like a nice person too! 🙃 Update: May 30, 2022: Demisexual omnifluxromantic-pansexual demiboy :) Second update, July 25th, 2022: Pansexual/romantic demiromantic aegosexual demiboy

[@kimmiewise1044]

I mean some peoples religions that might be homophobic really can be an integral part of Theo they are which is why even Jamie said that asking people to simply “Change their religion” if they don’t like one aspect of it is extremely disrespectful and rude. Now I’m not saying that people deserve less rights, less freedoms or less protection simply because of another parties views. The LGBT needs protection from theocratic authoritarians because religion isn’t something universal or omnipresent. But on the other hand, religion and spirituality are a core part of the human experience and how people view themselves and their place within the universe. I respect that human experience, even as an atheist myself. If someone resonates with the existence or ghosts, angels, greek and Egyptian gods and goddesses or the Abrahamic religions, then that is their experience of the universe and a part of who they are. Really, it’s organized religion that is the bad guy here because these organizations have alternative motives to their actions other than spiritual freedom and spiritual experience. But if, for example, a gay man came to the spiritual conclusion that earthly pleasures such as sex, masturbation or possessions of tailored/gendered clothing are all sinful and distractions on his spiritual journey and decided to personally take an oath of chastity and never speak of his sexuality and repress it of his own choice, I wouldn’t think that this was a bad thing either for him or the LGBT. He has a spiritual and personal experience and he made a personal decision based on that experience. It’s entirely possible to see sexual acts other than that for procreation as sinful while respecting those that engage in those acts and giving them the right to engage in those acts. Just because a nun takes a vow of chastity, for example, and sees sexual acts as a sin, doesn’t mean she’s allophobic. She’s just living out and expressing her spirituality through chastity which is what she believes is best for her spiritual journey and can be true for other women as well. Of course it all depends on the framing and the context as well. A street preacher telling the gayborhood that they’re all going to hell for their attractions is the obviously a homophobic person trying to shame others into submission. But if someone is just saying that chastity was a major part of their spiritual journey and recommends it to others, it’s not homophobic. But simply suggesting that gay people are exactly like straight people and are equally as capable of restraining themselves for spiritual enlightenment is considered homophobic. In example the Dalai Lama has stated that homosexuality is considered sexual misconduct under the precepts and vows of Buddhism but as a result of this was bombarded by LGBT activists who tried to convince him otherwise and basically tried to get him to ignore the texts of his faith because they are “old” and unmodern…Despite the fact that this is the point of the vows…To turn away from the distractions of modernity and focus on your spiritual journey to enlightenment. If denying your sexuality is part of your religion, as long as it isn’t forced on others, it’s completely understandable and personal in nature. No one should be shamed for their beliefs but a lot of people are anyways because it’s not “mOdErN” enough for the activists. Religions that promote sexual chastity shouldn’t be silenced but they increasingly are. Stoicism is now considered an alt-right Homophobic dog whistle when the philosophy has been around for millennia with no political affiliations. So yeah I think some people are attacked an silenced by others for their spiritual views on sexual behavior and that’s just as wrong and disgusting as silencing and attacking others for their attractions, orientations and gender.

[@3L3CTR4H34RT]

@@kimmiewise1044 What did that have to do with my comment though? /gq

[@3L3CTR4H34RT]

@just me 🧣🧣 Tysm!!! Also I hope you can be open about it soon, my advice would be to have a supportive environment and to remember that autism has a lot of cool things with it :)

[@lawsonandsonsconstruction]

"Just change religions" She's done it! I now no longer have religious trauma!

[@margaretcummings4146]

This is exactly what I was thinking, obviously lots of LGBT+ folks stop going to church but the harm is done! And it's still happening to other people!! Reducing stigma helps others!!!

[@alienatedlibrarian5017]

I watch YT commentary like this so I can keep tabs on problematic creators without giving them views. So thank you for contributing to that.💖

[@alexac.9295]

“if youre in a religion that treats you badly just change religions” if you are dead just come back to life 🙄🖐 rubbish

[@SoJoever]

Although to be fair religions suck so saving people from the evils of the cults that entangle humanity would better off all people, including LGBTQ communities

[@ekvedrek]

If you're homeless just buy a house

[@Null82085]

@@ekvedrek if you're poor just get money

[@rainey6511]

My religion is full of gay stuff >:) (I'm pretty sure-)

[@dragonofdestiny8321]

If your being mind controlled, just stop being mind controlled

[@_Allen_Holmes_]

Nooooo as a bi vegan it hurts me that she represents veganism to so many people online ☹️

[@liamgodoi]

Yeah, veganism is just not like that, c'mon I'm a vegan LGBT too, and it makes me so upset like nooo

[@celestialangel666]

To be fair, I see her as more the militant one, as in “you have to OR ELSE” vegans. Us being sustainable, using less animal products, and keeping things good for both? Yay! “McDonalds has to stop being meat-based cause I sung a song at it and said stuff?” Not so much.

[@eliasbischoff176]

I know I'm just one dude, but let me just say I don't judge you by the way another person acts and I am sure most others here don't as well. You are awesome

[@cloudman9230]

I know, like, I’m lgbtq+ and have a vegan sister. Not what vegans as a whole are. She doesn’t even know what veganism means. (Vegan teacher my sister does lol)

[@a.velamore]

Another bi vegan here. 👋🏻 And yeah, the fact that 95% of the most popular vegan "representation" is awful bothers me so much. Why isn't Ed Winters, for example, more popular???

[@Liv-mt7zw]

When she said that thing about ”changing your religion” I had to simply ✨take a break✨ WHAT

[@pepper_thepenguin]

Everyone's anger towards her: *"I am on my way"*

[@moumidas2116]

Jamie is just the sweetest, purest guy ever.

[@cordeliajackson8615]

This lady scares me. Like more than most things scare me. And a lot of things scare me.

[@lycaptain]

Me too

[@ratking7037]

“ I fear no man But that THING it scares me”

[@amberr3662]

Life scares me

[@Tree12897]

@@ratking7037 that describes how i feel about her

[@Wren796]

@@ratking7037 "I fear everything But that THING it scares me even more"

[@zodiacemma7154]

"if you're in a religion that treats you badly, then just change religions" wow where was she when i was a kid and forced into a toxic sect of Christianity by abusive family members

[@PunTimesWithNeil]

Lmao fr! Like it's not that simple to just change religion 🙄

[@zodiacemma7154]

@@Alex-zd5jk okay, but here's the thing: the only way I'm out of the toxic religion i was in was because i had other family members that loved me and they had to rip me out of the religion and out of my abusive family members to keep me safe. the fact that this is your response to a comment talking about how it always isn't easy to just leave a religion due to abuse is absolutely mind boggling... wtaf is wrong with you??

[@leedent7260]

@@zodiacemma7154 but they agreed that the context she was saying it about was inappropriate, just that leaving theirs when they were more free to helped them? They didn't seem to state everyone is as able to...

[@Alex-zd5jk]

@@zodiacemma7154 very sorry, that was very rude of me. i didn't mean for it to come across that way, i'll just delete the comment, my appologies again.

[@ApequH]

And it's you won't be treated badly if you change religion. People who believe that can still treat you badly

[@cheeseballs4all]

She says she is Bisexual herself I just can’t wrap my head around how coming out is selfish but she had to come out so I just what

[@fantasywolf3074]

She pretended to come out because of all the hate she was getting for her homophobic views, tried the "I can't be homophobic if I'm gay".

[@cheeseballs4all]

@@fantasywolf3074 ah ok

[@vitamind3572]

doesn't she say that she is an atheist also, but says "you're going to hell" anyway? there seems to be a pattern here...

[@isabellastewart1577]

She's Bisexual??! No way I don't know if we want her 🧐😬

[@jk-jl2lo]

@@isabellastewart1577 hello! i'm bi :) not to speak for all of us, but we don't want her bc she's ✨homophobic✨

[@lisyaorancrazed]

4:15 love, simon helped me come out to my religious grandma. also, i'm a vegan. have been for nearly 2 years. We don't claim her. just as an unrelated side note: there is a percentage of vegans who didn't exactly choose to be vegan. Example: I once knew someone who had to be vegan to treat her IBS.

[@JulsLittleBeirutAnarchy]

I knew, vegan children who never were given the choice until, middle school. Some of them didn't stay vegan.

[@Ghostlygutz_]

I looked it up and the definition of “selfish” is: “(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.” So, the vegan teacher is the selfish one here

[@serena8942]

To be “selfish” is defined as “lacking consideration for others”. What she did was selfish in putting down and trying to dismiss the trials of another group of people, in order to try and raise up her own without thinking of how that might harm and affect members of the other group. And being open and proud about who you are is not displaying a lack of consideration for others in the slightest. It’s not selfish to not want to hide who you are anymore.

[@animeator]

"I want to live my life and not be murdered for who I love" is not selfish. It is just human. Because we are.

[@iprocrastinating8411]

next shes gonna tell me self-care should be stopped and we should all let ourselves rot away?

[@lapraslazuli]

"Be kind to those who are being kind." Okay, so, don't be kind to this lady.

[@yoda5436]

Being selfish and caring about yourself are very different, it’s not a bad thing to do something for yourself, being selfish is something that harms others or ignores others by treating yourself

[@HangryOnPaws]

Me reading this: finally someone says it! You are so wise. Wonder who you are... Me reading your username: OF COURSE IT WAS YODA! KNEW IT!!

[@randommeowthekitty6482]

Why'd I read this backwards hmm I wonder

[@calenielthranduillion5134]

Different is being selfish and caring about yourself. Bad thing it is not to do something for yourself. Something that harms or ignores others by treating yourself, selfish it is.

[@yoda5436]

@@calenielthranduillion5134 thank you

[@Bobo-Nose]

Doing something for yourself is selfish, but that doesn't make it wrong. Being selfish doesn't necessarily harm others.

[@awkwardlyme8273]

Being vegan, nonbinary, and bisexual ... yeah, I never had to come out as "vegan" it was always acceptable and kind of expected. Coming out as lgbtq is not supported in my family and was so much more painful to do, but it has allowed me to be who I was to be.

[@SusanYTripp-lp4ss]

Up until about a year after this video dropped, I'd worked for one of the top Vegan cheese companies out there for about 5.5 years. (I'm in California; circumstances of my departure are unimportant, it was mutual.) I realized I was TransFemale June 8, 2021 and came out socially over the next ~2 months. About a week after my realization, I approached the company's HR Department to let them know that, sometime soon, I was going to start transitioning; the individual in question was very understanding and asked who she could tell. I gave her full discretion on who to tell in HR and Management, but I wasn't ready to go public. Due to a self-inflicted concussion at work, I ended up being put on disability about 1 month after I approached HR. The time off gave me the chance to get comfortable, start dressing full time (mostly outfits that were appropriate for a manufacturing floor) and choose a name. When I came off disability, I had a name and was ready to come out publicly at work. HR did an email blast to the company about me, and, with a few understandable slips over the first couple of months, all of my coworkers were using my chosen name and pronouns. One of my biggest supporters turned out to be the CEO/Namesake/Founder. She was the Best Boss (I also had great supervisors and managers) I've ever had the privilege to work for.

[@beatrizdearaujosilva7054]

Someone tell this vegan teacher that even if a LGBT people isn't religious, they are still being discriminated.

[@ninadarcy4624]

Jamie “any lgbtq+ Person that you ask will tell you that seeing somebody else come out helped them” I put my profile picture as the lesbian flag after coming out to my parents and one of my best friends that I’ve known for all my life texted me the next day and told me she was Bi and had been in the closet for over 2 years. I’m so pleased that she can finally be herself 😁

[@treeson]

@@ameliasellers6396 that's POG :)

[@treeson]

@@ameliasellers6396 :)

[@unluckyp]

That just shows what coming out can do. Whilst it has some negative effects (like not being accepted) it inspires others to come out. Therefore, it isn't actually a selfish act because you inspire people to do the same.

[@TheQueer23]

"if you are in a religion that hates you just change lmao" Well bois we done it, hatred is no more

[@aoifedeborha2420]

4:20: Him listing how his videos inspired me to come out (: Thank you, Jamie!!!

[@chaiky6556]

"Nobody should be made to feel that they need to change their religion just because some people use it to justify their own homophobia and transphobia" I needed to hear this today

[@frozencheeks]

She has a second channel where she pretends to a nurse, and spreads false information while posing as a medical professional... Surely that's illegal?

[@madelinebade2086]

In Canada it is, according to other Canadians, she’s broken 8-9 Canadian Laws already

[@JennyCThree]

@@madelinebade2086 i'm not sure dressing up on ticktock is so much an offense as those defrauding patients and actually practicing medicine without a license. Like I cant imagine anyone prosecuting this.

[@chiannsmith6803]

I think that counts as a crime, I just don't remember which one. Impersonation of law enforcement isn't it, but it's close

[@neoqwerty]

@@madelinebade2086 it's absolutely also illegal in Florida, there was a teen who posed as a doctor, TWICE, and got a ticket to prison for two years for doing that crap. It also is why you can't give medical advice if you're shilling essential oils and supplements and chiropractors who aren't medically trained are not legally allowed to claim they're medical practicioners either.

[@purplekitten6637]

"If you're in a religion that treats you badly, just change religions" sounds like something one of my teachers from high school used to say. As if teens and young adults from religious backgrounds are not financially dependent on their parents. As if they don't internalize homophobia. As if they don't struggle with mental health and have complicated relationships with their homophobic family and friends. We should be making the world a better place, where every country, every religion, every family is accepting of LGBTQ people. Also, Jamie, thanks for the articulated and compassionate response. Your responses are so positive even when you're responding to awful people.

[@basedbattledroid3507]

I still remember that the first person I came out to as trans was my vegan friend Maree, and she was awesome about it, considering she had no idea what transgender meant and she took the time to learn, but then again I grew up on a farm so I had no idea what vegan meant so we're all full of surprises I guess. And yeah, Maree is a way better vegan than the vegan teacher.

[@ferncohen2234]

I hate how she said to “change your religion”. I’m a Jew, and one of the things about Judaism I’ve always been taught is that nobody can convert out of Judaism. That’s extremely insensitive.

[@bunna6627]

I’m not part of Judaism but that sounds very offensive I’m sorry

[@m4ngo.m1a]

im also Jewish but we’re not a very orthodox family. even so, I can only imagine my mom’s disappointment and anger if I told her I was converting.

[@jaydee4861]

yeah, i'm Jewish as well, again, not orthodox, but we still can't convert

[@uwuifyingransomware]

Please let me know if this is out of place or something but I'm genuinely curious about this. What do you mean that you can't convert? Is it that by leaving the religion you get ostracised to such an extent where it's just not worth it? I was taught Christianity in some rather strange circumstances and they told us we couldn't leave the religion because God and Jesus are impossible to stop following once you start, like they literally just stick to your brain and it is physically impossible for them to be removed or forgotten or abandoned. So the statements about not being able to convert kinda ring true here as well, but I'm wondering, is it the same premise? Or a different reasoning?

[@EfeFlet]

@@uwuifyingransomware Hi! In my country (Spain) almost everyone is baptized as Catholic Christian but also most of us don't really follow any religion and nobody bats an eye, we understand it's part of our culture but we don't really follow that religion. Not once in my life (and I don't know anybody either) have I been told that I cannot stop being Christian... Maybe is a cultural thing?

[@PmpknHead]

I came out as non-binary to my parents a few days ago. My mom is sending me to a counselor to see if I really have gender dysphoria because she’s like it’s probably just body dysmorphia and I’m confused and don’t understand what I’m feeling. I wanted to say I think I understand my feelings better than you cause they’re you know... mine. I hope the counselor she chose will actually help me and not be transphobic/enbyphobic

[@kaltekartoffel967]

I hope everything will go well for you ❤and if it's an professional I'm sure they will figure out that you have gender dysphoria. Just be yourself

[@raapyna8544]

I hope the professional is helpful. Best of luck.

[@NameName-yj7lp]

I hope everything is going well

[@scrubbybubbles2351]

I hope everything goes well for you! By the way, even if it turns out you aren’t diagnosed with dysphoria, it doesn’t mean you can’t be nb, be whoever you’re comfortable with! Just a reminder, sending love 💛

[@raapyna8544]

Totally, gender is a human thing, there is no wrong way to be a human, be the way you want regardless of what health stuff you get diagnosed with or not! You don't need a justification for being yourself even if the alternative doesn't kill you. Everyone deserves to be happy.

[@13._.1]

Everybody gets a bear hug ⊂ʕ•ᴥ•⊂ʔ Because this lady is traumatizing honestly Edit: tysm for the likes

[@Wren796]

Aww

[@anhadbains4399]

Yay one bear hug coming right up ❤️🌻🐻✨

[@13._.1]

Hugs received 🤗

[@spillingink5159]

ʕづ•ᴥ•ʔづ♡

[@13._.1]

@@spillingink5159 ♡

[@AceOfStars0]

Literally the only reason I came out to my friend Is because he had the courage to come out to me. I didn't come out to any of my friends first. I respect all of them for having the courage to take that first step, no matter how nervous they were because it honestly boosted our relationships with each other so much.