Is Ghostbusters 2016 Really That Bad? (Part 1)

[@PossumReviews]

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[@bradsmithsite]

I want the KZbin Dislike Counter BACK! Not in general, just for the trailer of this dumb movie.

[@friedrichwulfgang3655]

An hour long possum review and another to come?! I nearly shat myself. Thank you my lord!

[@yanosik5665]

15:14 that actualy scared me,fucking hell.

[@kingj9664]

Do you think you might see the new Ghostbusters movie?

[@rtxbacon4998]

Wait part. 1

[@TheMimicBox]

Possum: Ghostbusters 2016 has the most dislikes of a movie trailer on KZbin. Me: A moment of silence for the loss of dislike history...

[@wallyhackenslacker]

And that right there is the actual reason dislikes are being hidden away. Why make good moves when you can make KZbin hide the bad audience reactions away.

[@McNab1986]

They'll just get replaced by a like this comment if you dislike the video trend

[@LucyWest370]

@@McNab1986 **gets rid of comments**

[@MonsieurBig]

@@LucyWest370 after that, people will report the videos instead

[@LucyWest370]

@@MonsieurBig and youtube will proceed to ignore them like they do with most reports

[@irkalla100]

Bad writing is bad writing, regardless of who acts in it.

[@osets2117]

Good actors can make bad writing somewhat good, look at Ewan McGregor in the prequel star wars movie

[@Antimatter_ray]

@@osets2117 most if not all of the actors did a pretty good job with the book script that they were handed (honestly it works much better as a book which is shown within the novelisations)

[@osets2117]

@@Antimatter_ray agreed

[@axelvoss9653]

it would at least help if the actors were good.

[@angrytheclown801]

@@Antimatter_ray But almost all of it was improv. Boring, boring improvisation.

[@SmokeyChipOatley]

I find it curious how the people behind this movie spent all their energy trying to make a “girl power” movie that they completely neglected the fact that they wrote the most racist black character in recent memory. It’s absolutely bizarre.

[@justvibin7883]

I haven’t watched this movie in forever and don’t plan on it anytime soon it was awful. But how was she racist? I forgot most of this movie thank God

[@jakobl7469]

@@justvibin7883 stereotypical black woman movie character basically I think is what they mean. Or is that idkI don’t rlly remember the movie.

[@darnellmajor9016]

How was it a racist portrayal when black characters were literally like Patricia Tolan in various classic sitcoms and movies featuring black characters? It's NOT racist to write her like that if you prefer to see black characters that are always uptight or bougie like. Something we see a lot in our culture as well in more conservative-driven content like the Tyler Perry and Spike Lee movies.

[@Diavolowillbeking]

@@darnellmajor9016 she literally plays the stereotypical argumentative sassy black character. 100% effective for a movie meant to convey the theme of equality :D

[@Diavolowillbeking]

@@darnellmajor9016 what

[@billbillinger2117]

Remember folks, If you have to repeatedly tell customers how good your product is, rather than customers genuinely telling you how good your product is...your product is probably garbage.

[@Mate397]

"Am I out of touch? No! It is the customer who is wrong!"

[@titocristobal5573]

Ironically, this idea can't be figured out by the people created the saying, "The Customer is always right."

[@MLBlue30]

Sell the sizzle, not the steak.

[@sadflix8754]

@@Mate397 where did I hear this before?

[@MarxistMogger]

Ea logic

[@Don-ds3dy]

Using women and minorities as a sheild against criticism is an increasingly common practice in the industry.

[@animezilla4486]

Hollywood really needs to get their act together

[@spaghetto9836]

It really hurts _and_ pisses me off, as a black woman. I'm tired of being a weapon, shield or excuse, or being told what I think or need. Or that ppl like me are gonna "save America" like they want me to fix its issues for them. Do better, Hollywood. You have the resources so it shouldn't be that hard 🤷🏾‍♀️.

[@thesacredlobo]

@@spaghetto9836 - It's not about the difficulty but the Return On Investment or ROI for short. In other words, it's usually perceived as cheaper in Hollywood to invest in an established franchise then come up with a new/untested intellectual property. Though to be fair, those new intellectual properties would still be bound by all the usual tropes you run across in media. Especially if you've consumed a lot of it over the years. It's why my criticisms of RPG Maker games and other stuff has probably only gotten harsher and more cynical since I remember other franchises using those same plot devices better. Though how much of that is just nostalgia for my childhood is debatable.

[@spaghetto9836]

@@thesacredlobo I came to understand that, but not in those words exactly. But it's always good to try new things & take risks or else you'll be hurting yourself in the long run. It's true in both movies and games, and is what's happening now- everyone's getting tired of remake after remake and reboot after reboot. It's why the concept of milking exists & I hate it. They think they're being smart, but they're just lazy and greedy.

[@randyrichmondiii3415]

@@spaghetto9836 You deserve a sub

[@brandonspain12345]

Fun fact: The teaser trailer for this movie was uploaded on February 14, 2016 on Valentine's Day. In Ghostbusters 2, when Peter asks the psychic woman when would the world end, she says Valentine's Day, 2016. Very creepy prediction.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Holy shit 🤩

[@justsomething1349]

Well, technically, she was right. This movie killed the whole GB franchise with a trailer

[@SquirrelGamez]

Bruh

[@Wulfjager]

@@justsomething1349 "their" world ended lmao

[@dansmith1661]

Maybe killed Egon since he was dead in Afterlife.@@justsomething1349

[@geardog24]

I don't know what's worse, how they wasted Chris Hemsworth's character or how they killed off Bill Murray because they hate the fans.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

No, they killed off Bill Murray because he was contractually obligated to be in it and that was the most he was willing* to do. Edit: *by that I mean contractually obligated to do under threat of legal action if he didn't.

[@kelp7060]

@@Lobsterwithinternet I don't believe that's true. The fact that they had one of woman say "he was never a real ghost buster anyway" or whatever they said after he died definitely feels like stab at the originals and fans. I think it's very safe to assume the worst.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@kelp7060 The problem with that is the emails from the Sony hack showed that they were willing to go after Bill Murray legally if he wasn't going to cooperate. Doesn't preclude both being true.

[@kelp7060]

@@Lobsterwithinternet After actually looking into this I'd say you're more accurate. It's so odd to me though that they'd force him there, and then settle with him playing another character entirely, and then killing him off in such a goofy fashion. How the hell did they think fans would respond to that? I never heard about the Sony hack, and now that pisses me off more that they forced him to be in it. I can understand why they did that, but fuck these people.

[@a-a-ronbrowser1486]

They even killed bill? I haven’t seen the movie.

[@AnnoyingSquib]

How I would have fixed Kevin's character is that I would have made it so that the reason he acts so idiotic is that he was possessed the entire time by an idiotic ghost. This is only revealed when Roan possesses Kevin and forces the stupid ghost out. In the end, Kevin staggers off confused and the dumb ghost goes on to stay at the firehouse as their receptionist. There I put more creative thought in this dumpster fire of a movie than the dumb bitches who actually wrote it. And I can say this because I'm a woman.

[@noplace4akitty047]

Was going to ask "how'd he get possessed by the initial idiot ghost?" But gave up, because I was just happy some creative thought was put into this story.

[@ixaug7857]

Better than all the ideas in this movie

[@emeryltekutsu4357]

That would be a hilarious way to have a resident ghost that's unique from the original Slimer.

[@danialyousaf6456]

@@noplace4akitty047 we can assume he was acting as a sort of double agent and would've trapped the fake Ghostbusters in some trap if he wasn't forced out of Kevin.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Or possessed by a smart ghost who pretended to be an idiot to get into the firehouse and release the other ghosts from containment.

[@OgIKidd]

To further the Winston Patty slam dunk, Winston was answering a help wanted ad in the news paper, and showcased in several scenes that he wasn't an idiot. Even though Egon boiled down his explanation using a Twinky as his example, Winston got what the man was saying and added a fun quip in a smooth laid back manner. Then later while speaking with Ray, he carried the conversation diving into mysticism and Christian spiritualism. On top of that, he picks up on how to use the gear rather quickly, all things considered. Which one can infer he's had past experience operating similar machinery in terms of upper body strength, weight, mobility, endurance, stamina, etc. He doesn't scream or react in horror when faced with confirmation than ghosts, gods, and demons exist. Comparatively, he's the coolest headed character.... What does Patty do? Scream, run away, be obnoxious, slap one of her possessed friends while delivering exceptionally corny dated puns.... Oh, she manages to get the crew a car to ride around and go on missions in, so that's cool.... Yeah, Patty sucks ass, and is less progressive as the token Black stereotype than a movie made in an era that allowed for movies like 48hrs to exist. lol

[@censored1080]

The character of Winston was originally written as an older army veteran played by Eddie Murphy, but they rewrote the character to be more of an every man that the audience could identify with when Murphy turned down the role.

[@Japaneseanimeguy]

Winston was an example of not needing to be a genius with a doctorate to work with the Ghostbusters and be a friend and equal partner. He wasn't as smart as them but was never belittled for this. If anything the films should be lauded for their good treatment of a black man as just a guy who doesn't need to prove himself to be acknowledged by his white co-woekers, much like how Extreme had a main character who did busting from a wheelchair but wasn't defined by his disability.

[@MonkeeKnucklez2]

I never thought Winston was supposed to be portrayed as uneducated or stupid (unlike how they have Leslie Jones debasing herself in the reboot). I think he was just supposed to be an everyman audience surrogate who regularly points out the ridiculous and insane things going on around him. Ray and Egon are the weird ones, with one being the almost sociopathic straight man and the other being the childish pushover. They were all written to play off each other, with everyone filling in their own place on the team dynamic. Winston is the one who comments in the way that they think the audience would be thinking. Venkman is also like this, to a point, but they wrote him as a bit too smarmy and charming to be a regular guy, so rather than saying the obvious thing, he says the quippy, funny, clever thing.

[@lalala300]

If I remember correctly, he was a Marine

[@ChallengeIdeas]

The only time Winston's color matters is that one, single line: "I have seen SH** that would turn you WHITE." I crack up laughing every single time, simply because the mayor's "wait, what?" reaction is priceless.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

The Ghostbusters catch only one single ghost in the entire movie and they don't even get paid for it. The main joke of the original movie is that dealing with the supernatural is a regular job.

[@moodieboymusic4376]

They also ostensibly killed Bill Murray with said ghost and face no repercussions even though they knew how dangerous the dragon ghost was to civilians. Role models.

[@brianaguilar8283]

@@moodieboymusic4376 wasn’t it Bill Murray’s idea for his character to die?

[@moodieboymusic4376]

@@brianaguilar8283 probably but it still makes the characters unlikeable if they unleash a dangerous ghost onto someone just because they dislike them

[@makairidah8354]

THANK YOU The main gag of the franchise is that these are just regular exterminators but for ghosts instead of bugs, the original movie had a montage of them doing their job and expanding the business overtime, they had commercials and discounts,they acted professionaly even in their first official job Those 4 girls could not pass as professional even if they say it to your face,at most they seem like part timers doing a prank

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Makai Ridah The movie even has a scene with a bystander asking what is up with the equipment and Venkman just answers that somebody saw a cockroach, because he does not feel like explaining it, or because Venkman just loves messing with people.

[@OldMovieRob]

I really respected the James Rolfe response, and I'm glad you included mention of that. He just made a level-headed statement that he wasn't interested in watching the film. Seems fair to me, and I don't get why it received such ire.

[@osets2117]

Because people suck

[@inky5574]

Dude took Luigi's advice and won by doing absolutely nothing

[@tarrker]

Because he's just famous enough that publicly hating on him would get you loads of views/clicks. But not rich or famous enough that doing so would get you a defamation lawsuit from his estate or millions of fans with rage boners destroying your business. This legit happens to internet personalities all the damned time. Especially KZbinrs.

[@lasarousi]

He was just targeted for being a heterosexual white male who did a video on the matter, he was a scapegoat to the closeted sexist calling themselves lgbt

[@Darth_Conans]

Like another comment said, James represented the target they wanted to attack and dared to go against the narrative which gave them an opening, no matter how petty or silly it looked. He was a straight white man who dared to voice hesitation about paying to see the holy sainted leftist corporate product, so he became a proxy for the "manbabies" they were already lashing out at. Notice the article screencapped earlier in the review where they also did their best to tie the backlash to the alt-right, because that was another boogeyman they could attack instead of addressing real people.

[@krimsonklaww611]

Bart Simpson was making "Mike Hat" jokes for years before this movie even existed, and each of those crank calls was funnier than this whole movie.

[@grantmortensonva]

Ah yes. Mike Hat. I hear he frequents the same tavern as Mr. I.P. Freely.

[@krimsonklaww611]

@@grantmortensonva indeed. I know him through my good friend Jack Hingoff.

[@danielfrongillo773]

Let's not forget Mr. Mike. Hunt as well.

[@dazgordon-hill2660]

Joke's OLDER than that

[@kylejohnson5179]

@@danielfrongillo773Also Mike Oxmaul

[@Snavels]

The "Ain't no bitches gonna hunt no ghosts" in-movie KZbin comment was probably the funniest joke in the entire movie. I think it was the only one to get a genuine laugh out of me

[@justvibin7883]

Yeah and when the crowd didn’t catch patty was kind of funny

[@さんごのみや花]

3:28 can somebody tell me the name of the bgm for the sake of lord

[@nutball3756]

@@さんごのみや花 darude sandstorm

[@さんごのみや花]

@@nutball3756 I searched it up and it's actually called ’'Mc Mental At his best’'. Do not trick me, smart boy!

[@raonimesquitadossantos7175]

@@nutball3756 Nah it's Rick Asley's "Never gonna give you up"

[@draconicdemigod9696]

So is nobody is gonna call out Erin for willingly hitting on another man when she was in a relationship. She was one step away from cheating so why when men cheat in media are bad, but when women do it it's empowering or they are considered sympathetic victims? Cheating is wrong no matter what.

[@lasarousi]

Oh you don't understand women are allowed to be and seek better, it's not cHEating, they are just looking for themselves to be happy and they can't be tied to a single MAN when there's ALWAYS a better option, always, loyalty is a misogynistic term created by men to control women. /S.

[@noless]

@Charles CM Wainaina I've pointed this out as well. It makes those scenes more uncomfortable and creepy than funny. Especially since she keeps doing it even after she learns that he's really stupid. It makes her character seem shallow. And this is a character I guess we're supposed to relate to?

[@dullknifefactory]

Cheating is wrong?

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

At least Venkman had standards.

[@draconicdemigod9696]

@@dullknifefactory yes it is wrong. The only exception that I can think of is a Zeus and Hera one. When you have a partner that constantly cheats on you with different people, but you can't leave the relationship even though your partner is making you unhappy. I think only then in my personal opinion (so you are allowed to debate with me on this) cheating is ok.

[@Dreadjaws]

*Nov 2021 Me:* _"Looking forward to Part 2! I'm sure it's happening soon."_ *Dec 2021 Me:* _"Aaaaany day now..."_ *Jan 2022 Me:* _"Man, at this rate World War 3 is going to happen before this video."_ *Feb 2022 Me:* _"Well, shit."_

[@jaythan.221]

Negativity moment

[@VelkanAngels]

It's finally here! :D

[@barbarabaker1457]

Just 2 months off you were so close. Hopefully you saw part 2.

[@natebit8130]

Well crap

[@ImmaLittlePip]

@@VelkanAngels and preforming for you

[@philsayer2447]

Winston was also the realist heart of the group & the voice of the audience. He was the guy who was there to say "this is a bad idea" and act as a cynical foil for the other three who had been close for some time & were mad about ghosts. He was just in it initially for the paycheck and eventually comes round to accepting the responsibility for saving the world (because they were the only guys equipped & able to do it). Patti is just the voice, not of the audience, just the loudest voice (in the already VERY loud room).

[@bendu8282]

Yep

[@philsayer2447]

@@bendu8282 Cheers for reading mate 🙂

[@bendu8282]

@@philsayer2447 Oh yeah no problem you made some very significant points!

[@thesacredlobo]

At least she has a somewhat normal reaction to the ghosts and feels like an actual human at times because of it.

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

Venkman was 100% using his paranormal research as a con, an easy way to make money off fools. I don’t think he actually believed in ghosts until he saw the one in the library. He’s very similar to Winston in every way you mentioned.

[@rebel4466]

What Sony never saw was that "female" doesn't automatically mean funny or interesting. Equality means that your movie might suck without a reference to the casts genitals. There is no "girl power" element that magically makes something better. Exchange the cast with the best and most beloved actors in their prime and it would still suck.

[@bubbythebear6891]

Truth be told, a better cast might have faired a bit better. I don't know why people feel the need to say that the cast is good. They are dreadfully grating. This movie's biggest mistake is that it's missing charm. If something is charming, you will overlook certain things. You wouldn't think 'how did nobody see the villain's secret chamber' or 'the special effects are pretty bad.' Without a good reason to like it, the flaws become much more obvious. A bad joke from someone you like might still make you laugh, while it only makes you groan from someone else.

[@FTZPLTC]

Yeah, let's not pretend that a vocal chunk of the early hate directed at the movie *was* people explicitly complaining about it having women in it though.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

@@FTZPLTC I remember a vocal chunk of people, from their position of extreme visibility, all explicitly complaining about the same handful of complaints from a few obscure edgelords.

[@mlgodzilla4206]

@No Peaceful Solotions Anymore shut up. What propaganda was it trying to tell?

[@TimeMasterOG]

@@FTZPLTC ok? so what if people actually care that movies are trying to gender bend already existing characters.... gender bending already existing characters doesn't fucking work it never has and never will a great example is Jodie Whittaker as doctor who she fucking sucks... This film fucking sucks... Gender bent characters fucking suck

[@TheRealMightyHokie]

Ernie Hudson got the job because he's awesome. He's funny, charming, and an excellent actor. She got the job because they knew her.

[@HemmTBM]

The Possum's fight with the ant are basically the shower arguments but one another level

[@hamboba4434]

Possum made that giant ant looking thing feel stupid

[@Hedgemonkey5]

@@hamboba4434 That's generally how a strawman works, yes.

[@orionar2461]

@@Hedgemonkey5 I mean in this example hes right. After life is so much better

[@Hedgemonkey5]

@@orionar2461 sure, I don't disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that he's shadow boxing

[@mrscruffles801]

You argue with people in public showers too?

[@Jack_Woods]

Being bad wasn't enough for this movie, it had to set a standard for movies to use the "You're sexist" excuse when someone doesn't like them

[@supermariof0521]

Depressingly true.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

@@supermariof0521 Fant4stic in 2015 seemed to be the starter for the you're racist card all because fans got confused over the casting of a black Johnny Storm and The Last Jedi started the trend of "old fans need to accept change or go away"

[@supermariof0521]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral True. Thing is the casting should be done because the actor is qualified regarless if he/she isn't white. Society needs to get rid of these artificial diversity quotas and embrace ACTUAL diversity.

[@hehexd5317]

@@supermariof0521 I got a reddit ad while reading this comment, fitting, really. Established characters in visual media should be cast appropriately, superman is white, cyborg (from teen titans) is black and anime shit is Asian, unless stated otherwise.

[@graylykan2739]

​@@hehexd5317 I agree, but, but, BUT MUH REPRESENTATION!! REEEEE!!! If people want representation so badly, they should make their own IPs or go support other IPs created by or for minorities and women, instead of taking the lazy creatively-bankrupt route and rebooting and race/gender-swapping established white/male/female characters and force-diversifying European-based fantasies. It makes them look desperate for diversity, as if they believe original IPs written or directed by and for minorities and women won't get popular.

[@ranjira7893]

what's worse is that a cartoon succeeded where Sony failed. Extreme Ghost Busters or as it is called by fans "Ghost Busters Dark" had a new team that was ACTUALLY inclusive with a female ghost buster Kylie (hell Janine had her moments two so,, 2 female Ghost busters technically) it also had race rep with Rolland Jackson and a handy capped (wheelchair bound) character Garret Miller the last guy being the sarcastic Eduardo Rivera ...oh and Slimer is there too. additionally they had Egon Spengler as a mentor (and Janine was around as well if I recall correctly) the show was pretty darn good. there was even a multi part special where the OG Ghostbusters reunited for awhile. unfortunately whoever ran the networks it was on were idiots and only a few episodes were released on DVD .. in France I think ... buuut If ya wanna watch the show now ya can still find it online with enough searching. also I'd like to point out the fact there was a Girl, an African American and a Paraplegic on the team wasn't the point of their characters. each had there own virtues and flaws. the fact Kylie was a girl never really came up other then Eduardo flirting with her and getting shot down she is a fan of Egon and reads his books she is the ghost expert of her peers. As for Garret him being in a Wheelchair hardly ever impacted him as a Ghost buster and he is one of the more athletic characters and a cheerful wiseguy , And Roland" well he is Black so what? its never mentioned much less impacts the story. he is just another person and he is the new tech guy working on new devices with Egon himself . As for Eduardo.. well he is the everyman and that suits him just fine. THIS is how ya do inclusive representation you make a character give them which ever trait BUT here's the catch ya don't make their entire character revolve around that single trait ys treat everyone equally and as if there is no difference between anyone. that's what was done here and hells I don't even think the Writers were THINKING about any of this it just happened in retrospect. they just wanted to make unique characters with Diverse looks and personalities and they more then succeeded in that. (I never really thought about this myself until I started watching this review and realized how screwed up the 'reboot' is ) Soooo... yeah Sony has no excuse -_-

[@yashamaga13]

Box checking casting sucks.

[@ROD31000]

You know it's bad when the Possum makes a hour-long review roasting it, and it's just the first part.

[@Beeezledrop]

I think another thing that hurts Ghostbusters 2016 is the fact that every character in the team is trying to be a Venkman and all that does is turn the movie into an adlib shitshow where everyone is trying be more clever than their costars. Part of what makes the original team works so good is each person brought something different to the table. Venkman was the snarky one, Egon was the brilliant dry guy, Ray was the bright eye'd optimist and Winston was the grounded blue collar everyman. The different personalities playing off of each other created a fun dynamic that works so well. The problem with the 2016 is you have four characters playing the same character and it loses not only it's focus but it sucks the personality out of the team. Each girl is trying to mirror a character from the movie but in the end all they're doing is trying to be Venkman and It sucks.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

Worse, all those characters in the "remake" are basically trying to be (cringeworthy) comic relief. Previously, the only movies I had ever seen where _every_ main character (all protagonists and most of the antagonists as well) were lame comic relief were the first three _Transformers movies._

[@AndrewGivens]

This is the best criticism of the movie I've read - and it's true. The fact that I enjoyed the dumb movie about idiots chasing ghosts, who suddenly have to avert a ghost apocalypse despite being incompetent (that's a big part of the movie's premise - it's not in the original), doesn't change the fact that the characterisation was spoiled by being an improv-off.

[@mr.mcflurryco.1034]

Mans had a 3 minute argument with himself and still sounded credible.

[@inciniumz4671]

Dang, you're more based than ever! I agree with what you've said, this movie isn't bad because of the cast, it's bad in everything else it does, including how it handles that cast.

[@zherean42069]

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[@inciniumz4671]

@@zherean42069 Thank you!

[@boofe7206]

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[@inciniumz4671]

@@boofe7206 ye

[@notmedicine2220]

Engi; we need a dispenser here!

[@freecat1278]

The problem with making every male character a vile stereotype is that you can't identify with any of them. There is a lot of pink in this film. Pink is strange in that it has a calming effect at first, but then causes stress if you keep looking at it.

[@osets2117]

Really? Didn't know that

[@lasarousi]

If at least one character was relatable, male or female, you can make everyone else a bunch of pricks, but they made everyone an idiot or a prick or both. There are no people in this movie, just vociferations machines, Paul figlet really knows how humans exist.

[@realmjumper8154]

My biggest problem with GB(2016) is that for every joke that got a chuckle out of me it was immediately followed by several jokes that made me want to become a ghost myself.

[@loneronin6813]

When it comes to movies that are centered on characters who are women, they can be done well. All you have to do is create interesting characters with flaws who are able to grow and change through adversity who happen to be women. The way I see it, a movie that doesn't focus on a character's gender and instead focuses on creating a character who feels like and acts like a real person in a compelling setting or world is the key to a quality storyline. Combine that with interesting sequences and dialogue as well as quality filming and editing with solid performances and a capable director alongside a quality crew and you're on your way. What matters isn't a character's superficial or arbitrary details, but what makes them stand out and worthy of an audience's investment. Sure, you can have overcoming a setting's closed-minded social norms as part of a character's journey and growth, but even this can be done without shoving a character's gender in their face as some kind of achievement in and of itself. For example, the original Disney animated film Mulan presents a character overcoming the social norms of their environment in order to accomplish something great. The thing is, Mulan does this not by virtue of her being a woman who is better than the boys because she is a woman, but because she is her own character who learns, grows, adapts, and ultimately emerges victorious with help from those she befriends while also being able to utilize her intelligence and quick wits to accomplish her goals on top of having a strong and indominable will. Her being a woman doesn't make her a hero, but who she is as a person outside of her gender does. If you want to create something worthwhile that represents women well in film, look to examples such as Mulan, Ripley from Alien, Sarah Connor from Terminator, etc. to draw inspiration from to name a few. It can be and has been done so there's plenty of proof all around you illustrate the point I'm making. Lastly, I apologize for making this a whole ramble as I initially intended to only type out a few sentences, but I feel this topic needs more of an explanation and a more detailed analysis to do it justice. Hopefully I have accomplished that without losing too many readers on this one. :P

[@Giraves]

I read the first paragraph and knew i was gonna agree on whatever the rest u said 😂

[@loneronin6813]

@@Giraves Well thanks for reading and commenting! :D I just hope I didn't make it too much of a slog to get through, first paragraph or otherwise XD

[@loneronin6813]

@@Giraves Oh and I love your KZbin name :)

[@Giraves]

@@loneronin6813 thanks bro 😂

[@loneronin6813]

@@Giraves Sure thing! :D

[@NasrAllah9988]

No, it's much worse

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

Beat me to the punch

[@15blackshirt]

The extended cut is even more painful to watch

[@jondeare]

$17.36????

[@slimegod9693]

It's a good movie

[@angrytheclown801]

@@slimegod9693 No, it really isn't. You can like it, just like you can enjoy a really greasy pizza, but that pizza is still really greasy.

[@AngelsCreed-jo5fp]

It would've been a good idea to have Gertrude work with Rowan, seeing how they built up her character to be this psychopathic woman. And in a way, I feel like those two could have been kindred spirits with the same motivations.

[@catonachimney3602]

I had an idea where Rowan is deceived by Gertrude, to open the door in order to free her for a sequel, and the immediate threat being the ghost unleased onto the city.

[@WolfHreda]

"It's just another Chekhov's Gun that never gets fired." Brilliant. But we still don't know why the Gremlin turned the stove on.

[@aerialsolutionsofwyomingdr5355]

There are some mysterious that will never be solved.

[@BByrdtm]

Goblin.

[@WolfHreda]

@@BByrdtm Dammit, you're right. I wonder where my head was at that day?

[@BByrdtm]

@@WolfHreda Lol. 😂 I still knew what you meant. And, I like the Chekhov’s gun analogy as well. 👍 I’m just ready for part two. I hate this movie so much. Lol.

[@WolfHreda]

@@ginxxxxx I'm aware.

[@mrcheesemunch]

This was the time when I realized how worthless Rotten Tomatoes critic rating is. Always go by the audience rating. If the critics say something is good but the audience didn't like it, there's a 99% chance you won't like it either because you're not paid or professionally obligated to say it's good.

[@theactualTVB]

Then again, RT gave good movies like Rat Race, Spaceballs and Road to El Dorado very low scores. It was a bad reviewing site back in the day, but by 2016 it turned into a complete shitshow.

[@mrcheesemunch]

@@theactualTVB I've just noticed they gave Alien Covenant a 65%, dangerously close to being okay. What I hate about RT is how the critics talk about movies like they're all supposed to be incredibly well written. Godzilla: King of the Monsters got freaking 42% because oh no the story isn't amazingly detailed bro wtf who went to see Godzilla for anything other than giant monsters smashing in to each other? It's just so pretentious, media should be judged for what it is and what it's trying to be, a movie like Godzilla or even Fast and Furious isn't trying to be anything other than a dumb action flick, not Shawshank Redemption or whatever.

[@theactualTVB]

@@mrcheesemunch Tomb Raider 2018 was given a higher score on the site than the first two Jolie films or the Resident Evil movies, yet the film is still bad and forgettable. Star Trek Into Darkness was given a 67-69% despite that the film is godawful. Paddington 2 is currently the highest score on the site, but it's not really THAT good. TV shows like Late Night with Lily Singh, Riverdale, The Owl House and The Great North were given great reviews on RT by journos and critics, when really, they are also terrible. Journos and critics who are affiliated with the site pretend to act like they're smart by putting in college academia words to describe these movies and they feel about them. It goes to show how completely broken this site is.

[@Slender_Man_186]

They’re catching on, they realized people don’t respect critic reviews anymore, so now they’re paying off audience scores.

[@notspider-man7777]

One time I encountered a guy who genuinely believed that review sites were the “objective” ranking of movies.

[@theblackflame4002]

Irony: The same people who scream about misogyny are also the same people who say you can no longer use the terms woman, female or girl,

[@BohoAstronaut]

Well then what word am I supposed to use for myself if I can't use any of those? There's nothing left..

[@seangambone8534]

​@@BohoAstronautDishwasher, laundromat, kitchen staff, pick one or come up with your own, but whatever fits.

[@Rebrn-bk5em]

@@seangambone8534 😂😂

[@chrisdolan9579]

Remember when film makers actually wanted to make good movies, listened to their audience and learned from their mistakes! Instead of just believing that everything they did was amazing, and filling their films with "the message" replaces the need for good story telling! I miss those days! More so by the day!

[@bobboberson6664]

I member..... now they want to make you hate yourself.

[@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117]

And video games is following the exact same footsteps as film...

[@DrDolan2000]

+@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 Which is really a shame because I'm more of a gaming guy. I prefer the interactivity. But who wants to interact with a piece of shit that talks down to you?

[@muratonuryilmaz5385]

​@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 at least good games exist even in this day and age . Remember elden ring , dark souls , zelda , steel division (yes steel division has a lot of dlc's but still good without them) etc.

[@danieltobin4498]

Film makers RARELY listen to their audience because that’s not what art is about. Spielberg or Kubrick will either laugh in your laugh or chew you out for being an idiot. You don’t know anything about filmmaking so why should they even listen to some uneducated random twat?

[@ItsAVolcano]

I'd argue the original podrace has more of an effect on plot than most other films "podrace". Aside from moving the plot along It serves to establish that Anakin is a very good pilot despite his age (and likely force assisted), and the bit about the Tusken Raiders routinely sniping racers also shows that he has experience flying while being fired at. Plus they actually accomplished the goal of making an entertaining action scene based on how popular podrace merch was for years afterwards.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

Truth. Phantom Menace was clumsily done, because Lucas was trying to tell a story too big for its format. The podrace did what it was supposed to do, but like every other element in the movie, it didn't have a chance to meld with the rest, so it just feels like padding. It's not, but it feels like it.

[@chesterstevens8870]

The Podrace scene was one of the better things to come out of the prequels, I think, and I say this after having time to appreciate what Lucas was trying to accomplish with the trilogy. If I ever had the chance to make a Star Wars movie; it wouldn't have anything to do with Jedi, With, galactic politics or anything like that. It would just be a podracing movie; _Days of Thunder,_ but in space.

[@rco7195]

@@chesterstevens8870 why isn't anyone making that????

[@carbinecryo30716]

god knows it pushes the plot more effectively than the hundreds of mcmuffins in rise of skywalker

[@drakron]

You also forgot that Qui-Gon bet including Anakin that Watto didnt want to sell, he also tried to include Anakin mother but Watto refused, it wasnt just the part for the ship. Tattooine in Episode 1 is a "pit stop" but at the same time the prequels had to include Anakin Skywalker since the prequels were about the rise of the Empire and thus Anakin fall, Tattooine was required for what George wanted to do with the character far more that Naboo was but the story needed Naboo as well, the greatest flaw is that if you see it in order then Tattooine section feels off as if you see it in release order Tattooine makes sense.

[@moodieboymusic4376]

Not quite sure if this warranted a part 2 since you covered everything up until this point but yeah… it’s been 3 months.

[@woldemunster9244]

Part 2 available now.

[@Oldschool1943]

who cares the movie don't deserve much time on it explaining why its bad. and nice of u for stealing my catchphrase

[@moodieboymusic4376]

@@woldemunster9244 thank goodness

[@tvbnine793]

The argument scene between Possum and Ant feels like a throwback to his Dr. Shaym days. Too bad he deleted most of his older videos

[@tarrker]

Didn't really have much of a choice, I bet. I've been at this since 2009 and sometimes you just gotta delete that shit. Also, I imagine he was probably legit ashamed by some of his angrier, lesser quality stuff. I mean, I certainly know that feeling myself. Although, I prefer to own up to my shittier, past self. :P

[@aymarafan7669]

@@tarrker I miss the one where he reads the Twitter posts over the Szechuan Sauce riots of 2017. That video was more entertaining then this movie. I also like how he was at one time roasting “The Walking Dead” while playing zombie game.

[@cleothehermetichermeticist8391]

Honestly Ghostbusters was a one hit wonder. The first movie was lightning in a bottle and isn’t really recreatable or something you can create a sequel to. Not helped by the fact that movie studios will want to try and recreate that lightning in a bottle with a beer bottle and a 9-volt battery.

[@idiotgaming6376]

Ghost busters afterlife might've just proves you wrong I watched it and I thought it recaptured that lightning though it might've taken just a bit too much from the orignal its not to the level it hurts the movie it still feels like it's own thing and I believe is a true successor

[@palladiamorsdeus]

Except Ghostbusters 2 was great too and I will NEVER understand the part of the fandom that snubs it. Afterlife is also great, if not on the same level as 1 and 2.

[@theactualTVB]

@@palladiamorsdeus I liked Ghostbusters 2. I don't really understand its bum rep.

[@crazyralph6386]

@@idiotgaming6376 Afterlife was awesome. I defy any GB fan to not shed a tear at the end?

[@Milner62]

Sorry but Ghostbusters II wasnt a flop and Ghostbusters Afterlife is exceeding what answer the call did with in the same amount of time all while under a pandemic with a staggered international release. Opening weekend answer the call only brought in $45,000,000 globally while After Life brought in $63,000,000 globally and gained another $10,000,000 domestically by last Wed.

[@redroachofficial7388]

I watched this with friends in 2019 and basically at the end I asked them if they wanted to take it home with them. Nobody wanted it and this was our first time seeing it. Instead I took the sword I had bought for no particular reason and basically had one of them toss the dvd at me. It got shatter and it felt like a great evil was removed from my home

[@orohnloven1846]

I like the image i ha e in my head of this

[@redroachofficial7388]

@@orohnloven1846 ikr Honestly the pieces flew everywhere and it was hilarious until i poked myself in the back with one when I laid down

[@orohnloven1846]

Im gonna take my dvd clopy and go to a shhoting range and shoot it with a .44 magnum

[@muratonuryilmaz5385]

​@@redroachofficial7388think about a portal sending you to a future where this movie accepted as a classic like Aku did to Jack

[@theactualTVB]

Ghostbusters 2016 feels more like one of these referential movies, usually the ones by Friedberg and Seltzer, and less like a Ghostbusters movie.

[@nvfury13]

It does seem like it belongs in the Scary Movie franchise.

[@Sixstringman]

Thats the biggest insult you could possibly level at it. Friedberg and Seltzer killed the entire spoof genre of movies.

[@arielruh7773]

@@nvfury13 yeah it does, then I would've liked it better

[@nvfury13]

@@arielruh7773 Well then it would have been bad and stupid *on purpose,* which would have made it at least a little better.

[@theactualTVB]

@@nvfury13 the first three Scary Movie films were good. Even Superhero Movie and Dance Flick were pretty fun. Everything else is trash.

[@Ars-Nova258]

3:18-5:11 Is one of the best arguments I have ever heard. This is why you’re one of my favorite KZbinrs next to you actually having dedicated ad breaks instead of letting ads interrupt you mid sentence every 1-3 minutes.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

that was beautiful i love possum he knows his shit

[@russia5228]

YT premium 😏

[@jessemcallen8521]

@@russia5228 piracy lml

[@osets2117]

@@russia5228 I ain't giving KZbin money screw that

[@Akunai_]

@@osets2117 dumbass KZbin

[@kvgamingyt7197]

I just discovered this channel, I’ve been looking for this dudes channel forever😭

[@Milner62]

Sad thing is they claim it because of women ignoring the fact those original fans loved the cartoon which in fact had Janine done a proton pack numerous times in the cartoon series then you have the Extreme Ghostbusters which had a woman ghostbuster as well. But oh no us OG fans are afraid of women Ghostbusters when we grew up with the cartoons putting women as Ghostbusters with zero outrage then.

[@thesacredlobo]

And Extreme Ghostbusters is more diverse with a Hispanic Ghostbuster as well as a handicapped Ghostbuster on the team.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

@@deanjustdean7818 Janine didn't usually understand what was going on, but by God, she was a professional, and no matter how weird things got, she was gonna do her JOB.

[@defrozendonut8715]

Thiers also a comic book series that has a mostly female team with one male team member aswell

[@Snavels]

Ive always felt like changing previously male characters to female in the name of "Gender equality" is more insulting because it carries the implication that female characters must ride on the coat tails of male characters for anyone to give a shit (which is obviously false) but the implication is still there with stuff like this

[@ChallengeIdeas]

What's even more sexist is when you gender-flip the characters and then they all act like offensive stereotypes.

[@Snavels]

@@ChallengeIdeas Absolutely, I've noticed an increasing number of modern "Strong Women" characters are basically just a woman acting out textbook examples of "Toxic Masculinity" Obviously theyre not all like that, but it shows that many many writers today simply don't know how to properly write a strong woman without just basically making her a toxic guy.

[@s3.14dervision]

THANK YOU

[@makani9004]

It's a shame such a reasonable point can land you on the toxic list these days, I think the youth just need more practice communicating their points, because entertainment is going down the tubes and most people can see it, you just need to approach it the right way.

[@elizabeth5561]

Plus it implies women are worse at their job as apposed to their male counterparts. I thought feminists hated that stereotype. I wonder why it got so much love from them.

[@djandjb1]

That was probably the best “self-argument” I have ever watched. Didn’t malign the argument often made by those types of people, but actually challenged what was being said.

[@Berserker3624]

It honesty feels like a decade since that movie released... Edit: thanks for all the likes lads, and enjoy the review!

[@striker3608]

Ikr

[@ThieflyChap]

To be fair, it's not all that far off.

[@tvbnine793]

2016 was my last full year of being in High School... back then I'd never thought I'd live through a pandemic or see YT remove dislikes.

[@burntvirtue]

Well it's been half a decade.

[@Berserker3624]

@@burntvirtue I was refuring more to how much has changed since 2016

[@Captain_Torres]

I used to actually liked this movie Then I had a fucking brain hemorrhage as punishment from God

[@LeftytheGansterGremlin]

Don't worry man, nobody's gonna hector you for that. I went through the same thing.

[@tarble4721]

Same here

[@animezilla4486]

I thought the movie was okay

[@TrueMohax]

The point of the podrace in Phantom Menace is to showcase how Anakin was able to navigate the interior of the Lucrehulk at the end of the movie without crashing into anything… plus the other stuff you mentioned.

[@MasterHayate]

The only thing this movie did was solidify how unfunny Melissa McCarthy is capable of being.

[@Raygraze]

TOOOOOOOOO TRUE.

[@Wastelander1972]

The Last Jedi review handling for pros.

[@Cruddy129]

Honestly, I think that Superhero movie she was a part of played a big part to that revelation

[@justvibin7883]

@ren bao I thought she was funny in bridesmaids, the heat, and identity thief. But after that idk it was like she just started trying to hard and her characters were all the same after 2013

[@myplaylist7007]

This movie is a example of the reason why they remove the dislike counter.

[@fleetadmiralauto6506]

About the dragon ghost, I'm pretty sure the animated Ghostbusters or some other older Ghostbusters media revealed that a lot of the more monstrous/inhuman-looking ghosts weren't actually ghosts, but rather, entities from other dimensions who just function like ghosts in our dimension.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Title: Is 2016 Ghostbusters really that bad ? Me: YES, ITS MUCH WORSE

[@bacht4799]

It’s worst episode of Scooby-Do ever made in movie form..

[@Hephaestus328]

Fun fact about the Joker movie, since it was brought up, the movie played in theatres on the same day (I think) as Frozen 2, and despite Joker being the movie everyone said incited violence, a machete fight took place in the theatre showing Frozen 2

[@dorkenspache8353]

I watched this movie as a kid and liked it, but after seeing this (this time being my 3rd time watching this review out of boredom), I can say I was just a kid with no standards

[@dustinalan8425]

Me seeing it's 53 minutes: oh hot damn it's a long one. Me noticing it's only part 1: DAYUM.

[@aclevername7613]

What annoyed me about the scene where Bill murray's character got axed was not just the sheer stupidity and childness of the woman who unleashed it but there seems to be zero remorse at all. Wether or not you agree with a persons' views, politics or even if you dislike them in general any normal person would feel some remorse or be effected by a person dieing by their hand in some fashion. For those who would say "No the ghost killed him not her" She again released it due to her fragile ego and that led to him being killed so she is responsible herself. Say what u want if one of the origional ghostbusters did something that stupid and it got a person killed they would of not gotten away with it freely and it would of effected them badly for the movie. As far as kevin their asisstant I once heard a person defend how dumb he is as a sort of "ha got you" in regard to how female characters and the origional female secretary was regarded. Problem is aside from you know its not the 1960s anymore and there have been alot of deep and solid female roles Janine, forgive spelling if wrong, was not regarded as a dumb sexual object the crew could sexualize or objectify. She was intelligent and a solid char. Yea i never thought on it but why did he not just puppet them? I mean they are normal humans and had no sort of protection so why did he just not freeze them? Suppose the reason was just by the power of vagina...... I always hate it when a story dumbs a villain down just to make the heroes look good.

[@alfredvickers4054]

That's what I've always thought about the secretary thing--the way they treat Kevin feels like revenge for something that never happened. Janine was not dumb and was not objectified and drooled over. She could hold her own when verbally sparring with the guys. But in these feminists' delusional minds, Janine was treated badly so they need to make up for it by having female Ghostbusters treating a male secretary the same way. Even though the mistreatment of a woman never happened in the original! Insane.

[@johnallen3033]

I don't think its possible for the writers of this movie to dumb any character down. In fact I always assumed the reason most of the characters don't have any actual character and just feel like comedians standing there saying random things is that the writers exhausted every ounce of mental energy they had writing Kevin's character and just gave up on the rest.

[@WisteriaDrake]

Even with the "the ghost did it" argument, it doesn't explain the whole "person died in front of them" thing, which is horrifying IRL in every single case, even if you're just a bystander. Happy Gilmore did "character falls out a window as a result of another character's foolishness and dies" joke much better, because it was actually amusing. This could have worked if, for example, they had the ghost already out, in a glorified fish tank, perhaps. They show Bill Murray, and the ghost tries to break free, which scares him, and he falls out the window. They're absolved of the blame, they look shocked, hard cut to a funeral or a news statement, and the film moves on.

[@Rswipes83]

21:12-21:50 is up there with some of the greatest speeches I’ve ever heard.

[@jeremiahm1413]

I love how simple the Possum's animations are. They make me happy and practically embody how I feel as the review goes on.

[@electricbayonet2]

Worth noting that we see the Ghostbusters catch exactly one ghost over the course of this movie...who they almost immediately release due to their own incompetence and immaturity. I would say that brings their ‘Ghosts Captured’ count back down to zero, except it also _immediately_ _killed_ _a_ _man._ They captured _negative_ _one_ ghosts.

[@noless]

@electriicbayonet2 The movie is called GhostBUSTERS yet they're not catching the ghosts. They're just destroying them. It's like they completely missed the point.

[@idiotgaming6376]

@@noless oh yes just like all the ghosts the first movie destroyed.. oh wait they only caught and contained

[@autistichades5552]

@@noless I mean, busters can have two meanings: “Busteeeed” Or “Bustin’ ya braenz ou’!”

[@The_Y33TER]

Fun fact: the extended cut shows in the newspaper that Martin Heiss (Bill Murray’s sad cameo character) was hospitalized and is still alive.

[@The_Y33TER]

@@noless it is using the same logic as the 2009/2019 remaster game, where low level ghosts can be dispersed, albeit temporarily, they can in fact be mostly sapped of their PKE to the point they can no longer manifest.

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

There was an issue in the Real Ghostbusters cartoon where in the second half of the series, the producers made changes to the show. One aspect was placing Winston, the black character, as the driver and JUST the driver! It’s nice to see that this movie keeps up that trend

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Lol Yes, Ms. Demon!

[@FinntheSquire]

Oh boy it's this movie. My grandmother took me to see it. She did not like it.

[@AutumnWind92]

Your grandmother is sexist then. Duh!

[@FinntheSquire]

@@AutumnWind92 She didn't like it because of the swearing. It doesn't matter whether or not the person is a man or a woman, she still doesn't like swearing.

[@AutumnWind92]

@@FinntheSquire i was joking. But yeah, I also dislike swearing.

[@FinntheSquire]

Ok cool

[@nasbukhari696]

@@FinntheSquire You do know the original had more swearing?

[@Piromysl359]

We have been waiting for this video five years, Daddy Shaym. Now I can die peacefully.

[@r.j.penfold]

No wait for part 2 first.

[@scottpeltier3977]

I do love how they completely retconned this movie in the most recent film (which was actually a fantastic movie)

[@just_a_tepig3611]

Hollywood leans more and more into diversity because they know they can use it as a scapegoat to avoid criticism for their bad movies

[@Elpentious2019]

25:07 how is it possible that I find the sarcasm funnier than the joke?!

[@dootrevenant5886]

That rant about how everything isn't political makes me happy and grateful that I discovered your channel, Possum Reviews

[@rpgkingx3629]

This doesn’t really feel like a Ghostbusters movie, it has less to do with the ghost hunting and equipment and more to do with chinese food, queef jokes, and Hot Chris Hemsworth

[@sparking023]

I understand the reason for Chris to be there is solely so people don't know him as Thor, and well, judging by how my Mom instantly pointed and said "oh look, Thor is ghost hunting now"... Yeah, probably won't work so soon

[@zoso1980]

Indeed. It wasn't. It was more a gimmick for "grrrl power" and didn't respect the source material or the universe it operated in. It reduced it to a flipped script gimmick. It had no seriousness or depth to it. Which added to the insult. You believed Harold Ramis was a scientist. None of the roles in this movie were believable.

[@MemoristCed]

The most unbelievable part of this movie is that a university professor would be fired for publishing blatantly false information.

[@PoopaChallupa]

"I don't know if it's a lady thing or a race thing, but I'm mad as hell." I would wager it's a you're the size of a bus, thing.

[@29holden]

And Melissa McCarthy’s not?

[@mikeoxlong1395]

@@29holden She's the size of a short bus.

[@GoodHunter9]

@@29holden She's a short bus, much like the ones this writing staff rode to school.

[@mcjagergaming]

3:19 That hit me in the feels man. 8:58 I had no clue that Ugandan knuckles was so based.

[@bobcartwright7476]

One of the biggest issues I took with it was that it breached the letterbox. Either be full screen or don't, but breaching the letterbox with the CG breaks any potential immersion a movie may have been building and reminds you "hey, you're just watching a movie."

[@JUDGE-TONY]

really liked that you used the knuckles clip, the clip really did a dawn good job summarizing the dumbassery of the argument

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

The Mike Hat joke literally makes me cringe even now when I think about it. It was horribly unfunny. In fact I think it should be used as an example in comedy education for actors and comedians in how NOT to make a joke. The whole movie stops dead for that scene and you wonder how any human can be such an idiot as the guy Hemsworth is playing.

[@thesacredlobo]

To be fair, I'd say the Mike Hat bit was less stupid then people thinking NASA went to the moon to hide evidence of Noah's Flood.

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

The joke would’ve actually been funny if it was in a show like The Office, with Michael explaining that when he was younger he had a cat called Mike Hat that only he could relate with. It would’ve worked with how incredibly awkward Michael Scott is

[@goosegas2087]

@@thesacredlobo It's really a coin toss as to which option is dumber.

[@kylehudson5598]

Oof. At what point do I start worrying this video has ended this channel? Good luck Possum, in case you need it.

[@John231984]

I hope not. I joined his patreon after this review in support. :/ I only discovered his chanell a few weeks beforehand

[@BeeWaifu]

"Do you hate women, fart noise." You made me actually laugh with how dead inside you sound.

[@emperorgreenthefirst244]

Ok. The movie isnt the worst thing in existence, but that was never really why ghostbusters was loathed. The reason everyone hates it is because of the brazenness of everyone involved, to say that if you didnt like the movie, you were somehow a sexist. This movie essentially validated the excuse that if you disliked certain movies you were a phobe. Of what, I dont know, they keep making excuses.

[@yashamaga13]

and now that's made way for Amazon and Disney to call their fans racists for not liking the trash they put out. Everything woke turns to shit

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

I hated the "Women are funny, get over it" comments, like we haven't had women in comedic leads for longer than most of these assholes have been alive. The fucking director had already had 3 female fronted comedies that were critically and commercially successful, but even he decided to bitch about how nobody wants to see women in comedic roles.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

And it keeps on going and doesn't stop this trend started with this movie (The Velma show is the most recent to do this)

[@xFlareLeon]

I mean, it IS a pretty shitty movie fully of stupid jokes, but the main reasons are the one you mentioned, along with the fact that it rebooted a beloved IP just to gut it of any heart, stuff it with dated humor and gwnder politics, and dump a bunch of glittery special effects on the corpse.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

That Knuckles quote is great

[@ieuanhunt552]

If anyone wants to say that we are automatically hating on this movie because it changed the franchise to have a female lead. Just look at Mad Max Fury Road. Furiosa is basically the protagonist and everyone likes that film.

[@sigmacademy]

It's also not the only female led franchise that guys like. But those that cry about GB 2016 just can't accept that it was a vastly unfunny and borderline spiteful movie. First, it bruises their ego about being wrong, and secondly, they then need to explain what all the passive aggressive FAKE articles were all about. :/

[@thesacredlobo]

To be fair, there were people that complained about Mad Max Fury Road as well. Though, I'm guessing the whiners were in the minority.

[@bradybales7067]

Why? Because Fury Road is still a well made movie that didn’t hinge it’s marketing and publicity on “main character is woman”

[@Oldschool1943]

Mad Max Fury Road is OVERRATED

[@Oldschool1943]

@@sigmacademy SO ITS OK FOR MOVIES TO FLAT OUT SHIT ON MEN and depict them as a bunch of idiots ok bcuz that's equality apparently.😂

[@Merudiana-the-local-demoness]

When I was younger I was a HUGE Ghostbusters fan and I was actually excited for this movie. And yes, I enjoyed it when I watched it. This is yet another reason to go back in time and punch my elementary-middle school self in the face. And yes, if anyone ever calls me sexist for not liking this movie I’m going to show them an actually good movie with a female protagonist like the original 1979 Alien and Aliens.

[@flannelfan433]

Tbh I don't know what the hell middle school me was thinking when I watched it. But I repeatedly watched over and over on DVD. Before eventually, I began to grow annoyed of jt

[@bilwisss]

so happy you brought the past history of the fake movie reviews..... everyone should goggle "Sony agrees to settle suit over fake critic" or "sony caught creating fake movie reviews" or "David Manning (fictitious writer)" or "Remembering David Manning, Sony's Fake Film Critic" .... not that it (maybe did not) happen to Ghostbusters 2016. it is still a very interesting, case citable, historical fact of some of the same parties involved.

[@DhakaiyaHunter]

I'm kinda shocked that Possum didn’t made any Goblin or Stove reference in this video😵😵

[@leonielson7138]

Original movie: if one of the Ghostbusters falls down, he needs help to get back up. Reboot movie: Melissa McCarthy's character does a kip up while wearing a backpack that's supposed to weigh 100 pounds.

[@Lutherstrode17492]

Fr those packs look heavy as hell

[@alexmartin3143]

Really? She couldn’t do a normal kip up…

[@kaiyotee2475]

A word about the all-female cast controversy: I'm planning on writing a final story for a long form series surrounding a gay couple struggling to let go of a haunting past and having trouble finding their place in the world as young adults. Very few problems in their lives are homophobia-related. And one lady who does kinda go after one of the guys for being gay is shown to be a sympathetic character. It's not perfect, but I like to think it's better than this.

[@catonachimney3602]

Does your series end with them realizing their place in the world is working a 9-5, and paying bills?

[@kaiyotee2475]

@@catonachimney3602 well that among other things lol

[@seafoam6119]

The fact you’re thinking about these things is enough nuance to make it work

[@OzzyOsbourneFan999]

Yeesh, i didn't know Ozzy was in this movie. Makes me sad he is in it, but ironically it is the brightest and best part so far for me.

[@Matt-zu2lu]

I like to think that he didn’t know he was in the movie and was just reacting to the camera crew doing cocaine

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

This movie is bad not just as a movie but because it birthed the whole "You're sexist if you criticisze a movie made or heavily stars women" argument

[@graylykan2739]

If Ghostbusters 2016 started the whole "Just say you hate women" 'argument', what do you think birthed the whole "You're just racist if you criticize a movie that heavily stars or is made by POC" 'argument'?

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

@@graylykan2739 The Last Jedi

[@graylykan2739]

@@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster I thought so.

[@fumomofumosarum5893]

it's like the gamergate of movies

[@yashamaga13]

And it's twin brother called "you're racist if you don't like our trash product with affirmative action hires"

[@TwistedTeaRex]

The vandal had the funniest line, when they asked him if he'd seen a "Class 4 Semi-Anchored Entity" and he said "We talkin' like a boat?" 😂😂😂

[@gooberthoreau]

If you followed it from the beginning the issue was super easy to see. The movie was greenlit on nothing more than "Ghostbusters with all female leads". They didn't go "we have a great idea for a new movie that can get the GB franchise rolling again" then decide to cast women in the leads, they started with a cast and an IP and then came up with a movie to use those people and that property in, and it shows.

[@PortalCritic]

But they didn't have a great idea for a new movie that could get the Ghostbusters franchise rolling again.

[@Xeronoia]

@@PortalCriticThats what they said. Do you not know what the word "didnt" means?

[@PortalCritic]

@@Xeronoia I know what it means, asshole. I was agreeing with the original post.

[@moodieboymusic4376]

The way the cgi ghosts “break” through the aspect ratio looks so awful.

[@theunbearablejuan]

It's because it was meant to be watched in 3D. This was well done in Dredd with a few minor elements popping out of the frame.

[@Ziomaletto]

Even one of the actresses breakes through the aspect ratio.

[@chayophan3078]

A year late to this party but fuck it, I'm here and that's all that matters! In the the whole of Possum's entire catalog of KZbin videos, my absolute favorite quote is in this very review. Namely this single line: "We sure do live in a society, dont we?" The hilarious, perfectly delivered sarcasm is matched only by the depth of social commentary evident in this simple sentence. Keep manning that wall, Possum!

[@gart4575]

But possum, you don’t understand. “Mike hat” sounds like “my cat” AND ITS A DOG. that’s like 1000 flaming fire emojis worth of funny.

[@Faux_Fox_]

You can laugh at me all you want, but I’m just really sad that *this* was the only ghost busters movie released after I was born…

[@keenkingjames]

Um…

[@Faux_Fox_]

@@keenkingjames completely forgot there’s a new one, but my point still stands

[@thedragon133]

Maybe "only good ghostbusters movie"? ;-) heard the new one is only meh.

[@pimpinchimpin3188]

@@thedragon133 calling Ghostbusters 2016 good is almost as bad as calling a ditch a mountain

[@doctolad]

@@pimpinchimpin3188 there is a new one

[@ashe6608]

I loved that they killed Bill Murray as an analogy for how this movie killed the franchise

[@arthurspils2565]

I'll throw up a topic for debate into the comments: We can all agree Ghostbusters 2016 was a bad film, but what are people's takes on the production of Ghostbusters: Afterlife? (Personally, despite not having seen it yet, I am of the view that it's the way they should've gone in the first place + it still has a female protagonist).

[@personwitharat9039]

Oh yeah that's true I didn't hear anything bad about the new movie

[@osets2117]

From what I've seen it's a flawed but sincere attempt and worth seeing

[@eatatjoes6751]

I honestly don't like it either because while it's a genuine effort it feels like Reitman heard all of the complaints surrounding this trash heap and made the entire movie Ghostbusters: the *Fanservice* in response with all the jollity of a funeral.

[@sandyman3070]

I watched afterlife yesterday, it seemed like a cobbled together mess that existed to make money off nostalgia. It was ok, but I think the fact it’s related to a movie that set such high expectations (the 1st ghostbusters, duh) made me more negative about it, but even still when some things happen it seems like the directors forgot it was supposed to happen and crammed it in when most convenient. 4/10.

[@arthurspils2565]

General vibe I’m getting from these replies is not great when compared to the originals, but better than this 👆 and worth going to watch just to see (whereas the 2016 one didn’t need watching to know it was going to be bad) - right, cheers guys 👍

[@LordSnurdle]

When watching the movie, directly after that queef joke, I paused the movie, put my face in my hands and screamed about as loud as I could because that was the stupidest and most immature joke this movie could’ve made. AND it was extremely out of place like every joke in this movie, and not like the jokes in the original Ghostbuster which were ACTUALLY kind of funny, and relatively well-placed, and kind of sly. Yet not on-the-nose and just ridiculous.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

It's hilarious in a totally different way from what they intended. They act like they're breaking glass ceilings, while literally portraying the lesbian as a gross, nasty, dirty butch legbeard.

[@robertmason837]

This movie sucks compared to ghostbusters 1984, ghostbusters 2, ghostbusters afterlife, and ghostbusters frozen empire.

[@Darusamon]

I absolutely despise the oversaturated look of this movie. All they did was digitally crank up the color saturation in a desperate attempt to make the movie look more vibrant and appealing, but to me it makes the film look extremely cheap, and I can't stop thinking about it in every scene. This is the opposite of what Zack Snyder did with BvS and it's just bad, just in a different way.

[@delusion5867]

Its like the screen is vomiting colour every frame

[@xFlareLeon]

It's more liek what ZackSnyder di with Shazam. The color just pops really awkwardly.

[@passingrando6457]

It's that they also bumped up the contrast too high along with the saturation. Highly saturated color environments usually only work in bright, colorful environments. If you go full "Marlon Brando in shadow in Apocalypse Now" level of shadowed, it does not work.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

unfortunately i know a lady in her 40s who says this is "an empowering masterpiece" she's just as insufferable as she sounds

[@tarrker]

I have this theory that people like this don't even watch the film. They just say stuff like that because they desperately want a mainstream iconization for their beliefs. Because this film does NOT empower women. Like... at all. It's actually kind of insulting to women. x_x

[@AbrasiousProductions]

@@tarrker ​agreed real empowerment and real equality is throwing the notion of gender out the window and focusing on the person women are people too they can be masculine badass and fight a big fucking alien queen so once you throw out gender and stop being all "ooooh im a woman im better" and be like "im a person and im badass" thats empowerment baby

[@sigmacademy]

@@AbrasiousProductions It's even WORSE when you verbalize that in a movie. If you're actions or journey throughout the movie doesn't ACTUALLY show you're a bad ass, saying it aloud won't make that happen or make it true. If anything, it immediately dispels the entire aura of awesomeness that your character was trying to build up. EXAMPLE: It's why Nikita doesn't go around telling everyone how awesome she is or how pathetic men are - she shows up, takes care of business and goes for her post-mission briefing. :/

[@AbrasiousProductions]

@@sigmacademy completely agree

[@Joke_Bidumb]

This comment made me spill my coffee. XD

[@dracoman3449]

I love how the new Ghostbusters retcons this entire movie and ignores its existence.

[@theblackswordsman5039]

I like how the movie was just so desperate for laughs they tried to add in every slapstick, gross out and quirky scene they could make, it’s so pathetic that it makes the scary movie franchise look tolerable.

[@tehrik0020]

At least Scary Movie is supposed to be exclusively slapstick since it's a goliardic parody of pre-existing stuff, you know the sort of thing you can watch at an after-party and have a laugh at, because it was specifically made for that scenario. Ghostbusters 2016 is a different story: it's not a parody of the original Ghostbusters, so even with the slapstick comedy in you'd expect at least somewhat more developed humor, a serious moment or a well-written storyboard. There's a difference when you write a dumb joke as a result of a purposefully dumb direction and when you write a dumb joke despite having a serious direction, this is what really irks me with Ghostbusters 2016.

[@theblackswordsman5039]

@@tehrik0020 All the more reason to hate the movie and Sony for making the movie.

[@armouredjester1622]

Let's be fair here Scary movies 1-3 were quite good for what they are, with the hindsight of knowing what parody movies turned into. The fourth one was the worst, and very much a victim of what happened to that family of films as a whole. I *liked* the Scary Movie Trilogy, but I don't defend the indefensible.

[@WoodsAreBeautiful]

Hey scary movie 1 ain't bad

[@TheRedRaven_]

Scary Movie series was funny when it released but I think it’s obvious those movies didn’t age well because they were based on its current pop culture. You really can’t compare these two movies, one is is aware it’s a parody film based on pop culture, the other is political activism.