Is It Possible to Beat Sonic Adventure with Only E-102 Gamma? (PART 1)

[@NathanielBandy]

I like how you just added "BRUH" when you said coins by accident hahaha

[@JonnyBoiYT]

I wonder why he would do that. Coins are the most memorable thing in sonic!

[@AlexPierre997]

Hi Nathaniel Bandy!!!

[@MrsDizazter]

*" B R U H "*

[@sumnahlennon4516]

@@JonnyBoiYT You Mario troll LOL

[@xz3877]

an true bruh moment

[@AndresinReal]

NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!!

[@thetr1noob783]

NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY!

[@jajafeedyns8082]

The sound of *BETRAYAL!*

[@zerocrashmurilo]

The real sound of betrayal is that big the cat can make it farther than gamma can

[@feiradragon7915]

Eggman must be thinking "I built the Egg Viper to destroy Sonic and my traitorous robot who couldn't even beat Sonic destroyed it!?"

[@zerocrashmurilo]

@@feiradragon7915 you know you are a terrible engineer if you're robot can't kill your enemy but it can destroy you're machines

[@merchantziro4285]

I like how brutally honest the thumbnail is with "No, but here's why"

[@RoronoaDLuffy-iu4yx]

I literally clicked on it because of the reverse clickbait. He got be good with reverse psychology.

[@rageinternet9391]

@@RoronoaDLuffy-iu4yx if he just had the title without the thumbnail saying that it's not possible, then charriii5 probably won't get that many views because of how gamma is built for platforming like the other characters but saying that he can't will grab peoples attention on why this isn't the case. cool reverse psychology

[@zimtak6418]

Yeah, we need more KZbinrs like him.

[@Sixfortyfive]

I was literally just going to make a comment about how I decided to watch this because it's presented like anti-clickbait, lol.

[@codymcwhorter1347]

More like this, please.

[@brandonwong8614]

*Gamma locks on Egg Viper* Charriii: How are you doing this?! *Gamma while dancing* : I Have NO Idea!

[@runningoncylinders3829]

I like the headcanon for that fight being that Eggman can partially control Gamma during it. I don't think I've seen another time a boss has control over you in a game. But since he's his robot it makes sense here.

[@paperluigi6132]

@@runningoncylinders3829 Plus imagine Hover Gamma vs Egg Viper.

[@wanderlustwarrior]

Meet the Gsmma Doctor?

[@orifan1]

Runningon Cylinders kinda the opposite of what you're talking about, but the final boss of Ace Combat 3.

[@justocelott]

@GalacticHypernova *no*

[@tormentor91]

45:40 "A twelve year old hedgehog is more capable than a robot built by a 300 IQ scientist" Congratulations, you just described the plot of pretty mucht the entire Sonic series in a single sentence.

[@SuperDodger64]

To be fair, I teach 12 year olds and there are a lot of things they're better at than robots or AI. I'd guess my 12 year old students could beat a group of robots at football. Probably could write a more coherent paragraph in response to a prompt, barely. But I'm guessing robots could beat a 12 year old hedgehog at either activity.

[@Shadethe13th]

@@SuperDodger64 I promise your kids would not beat a robot at football. There is no way they could out-power the robots, meaning if the robots get the ball, they score. The robot also wouldn't ever get tired, putting the kids at another disadvantage.

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

hey, that's not true you hack sonic is *16*, not 12

[@AmazingJuniorBros]

Well classic sonic is 12, Modern is like 16-21, Its still really sad tho as eggman has a 300 Iq, But then again i think tails has a 300 iq too lol. They’re animals also, so thats even more sad

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

uh excuse me sweeties, if you look at the sonic jam biography for sonic in the artwork section, it *clearly* says that he's 16 while using genesis-era artwork, and this was pre-sonic adventure k now stop arguing with me (i feel dirty for talking like this)

[@tlozfreak888]

I love how the Big run was "huh, it's funny that this happens" and this run is "i have no clue why any of this happens"

[@YuuyaKZMI]

Because Gamma works quite a bit differently from the other characters.

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

Eggman: NoWayNoWayNoWay *"Eggman's" artificial skin melts off to reveal a familiar egg shaped robot* Gamma: Egg Robo?

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

@Pyro Flare ...Okaaayyyy?

[@trumpeterjen]

Not many people know this, but the casino in this game has a very strict age limit. You have to be eight. Tails was fine, but Gamma got carded, and they figured out he was two, so the others had to sneak him in.

[@matthewkalasky2891]

I like your choice of Big as the secondary character that follows you for your "he's trying to get Froggy back from Gamma" reasoning. It works really well.

[@detroviolet326]

1:00:21 It's just Eggman being shocked that you beat the whole Sonic story regardless of countless crashes and wonky collision.

[@kieranstark7213]

And that’s why Sonic Adventure aged, but to make itself funny because of it! XD

[@rageinternet9391]

@@kieranstark7213 I don't know what you guys are talking about? i beat Sonic Adventure 1 just fine with no wonky collision nor any crashes at all...

[@kieranstark7213]

My point is that Sonic Adventure 1 aged well in its own way! I think Darkeu has the same point, unless he’s not talking about the gameplay.

[@robertanderson9447]

@@kieranstark7213 Some areas have weird collision, mostly in the ports. But most of the errors shown in the video were a result of a character being put somewhere they're not supposed to go. The game's not actually that broken, at least the Dreamcast and Gamecube versions aren't.

[@kieranstark7213]

Robert Anderson Especially the DC version!

[@Reverb-SSZ]

"Gamma's model is too 'Big'." Funny cause Big was standing in the same spot.

[@HTSAY101]

Your welcome for the 69th like

[@unhingedelbows2907]

Your Welcome for the 96th like

[@ProdBy.JayLo3]

Your welcome for the 99th like

[@Reverb-SSZ]

:| That's a lot of likes. Thanks!

[@alektomlinson1683]

Hi zero

[@RidleyKraid187]

10:00 Maybe the reason is because, since Gamma isn’t able to leave Eggman’s base until he completes Final Egg and the first Beta Boss, and then he’s immediately sent to Emerald Coast after that, there’s no reason for the Hotel Doors to close off Emerald Coast? You can’t leave Eggman’s base anyways, so that’s what keeps you from sequence breaking in Gamma’s story.

[@dragowolf268]

I thought something similar

[@Twilord_]

Eggman was smart enough to program a backdoor into the E-Series incase they turned against him? No way! I can't believe this!

[@PuffyBuffy25]

Except for Omega

[@Twilord_]

@@PuffyBuffy25 He probably only had one copy of the back of the backdoor hijacking device, with no documentation on how to build another. Gamma destroyed it in this timeline, Sonic did in the real timeline.

[@Oldgeezershadow]

You mean NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS!

[@taylorberry1735]

HE’S NOT GOING TO GET AWAY WITH THIS!

[@CybeastID]

@25:11 YEP. The Tornado and characters is in fact all one model. I used to do texture edits, so I learned that the hard way.

[@rabbidmiimiga]

Take a shot every time Charriii says "I don't understand."

[@thetreyceratops]

*”a n d I d o n ‘ t k n o w w h y”*

[@HTSAY101]

Im wasted and being illegal since im underaged and drinking but fuck da police am i right woooo

[@waynemidnight7454]

No thanks, I don't want to die via alcohol poisoning...

[@Flinxmin]

@@HTSAY101 Enjoy your future lmao

[@WiisonicHedgehogGamer]

I don't understand, and I don't know why.

[@JoSephGD]

I've got a strong suspicion for why Gamma can lock onto the boxes in Lost World: he was supposed to go there at one point. Think about it: Lost World is the only stage that you don't go into as 3 different characters; you only go in as 2: Sonic and Knuckles. Perhaps Gamma was supposed to go there, but that was cut due to time constraints or issues fitting it into the story.

[@Danblak08]

This and the egg viper lock-on makes me think gamma’s story was supposed to be longer since he starts off working with egg man, the main villain, but they shortened it so he’d fit with tails and knuckles’ story lengths

[@skibot9974]

Since we never see how Eggman destroyed the Master Emerald my theory is Lost World would’ve been Gamma’s second stage and he would be sent there to destroy the Master Emerald

[@MysticClaws100]

I feel like it would make sense for Big to go to Lost World to fish since that’s like the main water based level in the game

[@skibot9974]

@@kris_something no he was inside the enerald

[@skibot9974]

@@kris_something Chaos was sealed in their by Tikal that’s the whole backstory

[@SymbolsWriter]

Eggman really couldn't believe he lost even though he was hacking Gamma with his Egg Viper controls NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS

[@DarkKnightofHeaven]

Eggman at the end: "NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY" Charrii for the entire run: "there's NO WAY to do this. there's NO WAY I can't do this! NO WAY"

[@skyblade7438]

Weirdly, it feels like almost everything Big can do Gamma can't and vice versa.

[@RidleyKraid187]

It literally is the case with the bosses; Big beats every boss except the Egg Viper, and Gamma is ONLY able to beat the Egg Viper.

[@alans-dumb-username]

If only one of them was able to do number panels, maybe then the game would be beatable using just the two of them!

[@detroviolet326]

@@alans-dumb-username also cranks in Amy's stages And pillars in Sky Deck And monkey bars in Sonic's Sky Deck Also assuming they get incredibly lucky in Knuckles' treasure hunting stages

[@kieranstark7213]

Well, here’s one thing the E-Series (with the exception being the completely unneeded Gamma replacement in Sonic Free Riders) can do more than Big the Cat. Be a good character and vice versa.

[@skyblade7438]

Kieran Stark How dare you disrespect our Lord and Saviour Big the Cat.

[@SonicParadox]

Great video, love watching people crack these games open.

[@pepeoccult4269]

Crack these games or their own sanity?

[@Dan-379]

@@pepeoccult4269 How about both?

[@gummikb4251]

Sonic adventure cracks itself open That game is busted

[@gummikb4251]

@@Tsukiru I fell through the ground in the first level

[@amethysttvgl1601]

@@gummikb4251 Bro who hasn't? I legit thought I was doing something wrong because I kept falling through the floor in the exact same spot XD

[@alimowla3204]

this video in a nutshell is charriii: "i thought that-" game: "you thought wrong." also when eggman kept saying no way, i kinda ended up hearing "norway! norway! norway! norway!". joking aside, this was a great video charriii, looking forward to the next one.

[@megagustman]

Oh, so am not the only one. And now it is me head-canon that Eggman is Norwegian.

[@Pain_tami]

Norway and Sweden and Iceland and Finland and Germany now in one *P I E C E*

[@kieranstark7213]

Dr. Eggman: Norway! Also Eggman: Norway! Again also Eggman: Norway! Eggman (this time as a Ratatoing rat): Precisely!

[@austria-hungary7680]

@@Pain_tami Wow... the outdated jokes huh

[@hispanicwolf4447]

This all of a sudden just became How E-102 Gamma TRIGGERS You.

[@Davedave000]

My guess as to why you can lock on to the egg viper: Might've been planned to be a boss in Gamma's campaign. Maybe.

[@SolarMegaMan]

That would be really cool, honestly. Would potentially explain Gamma flying around and being unable to land, as well as the Egg Viper partially controlling where Gamma is - it could be a leftover of Gamma and the Egg Viper having a duel through the air, with Gamma overclocking the jet booster to keep himself afloat and pursue him, or something along those lines.

[@imagery5425]

@@SolarMegaMan :0

[@mystictortoise5404]

@@SolarMegaManMy guess is, Gamma was set to fight the Egg Viper early on in development, but was cut pretty early, and they overwrote any code functions Gamma would have used during the fight to instead be used for Egg Viper. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but a lot of SA1 and SA2's code doesn't make sense (for example, each cutscene in SA2 has its own copy of every single character's model, instead of just all pulling from the same model file)

[@iluxa-4000]

My guess is that perhaps at some point in development egg viper was supposed to be in a different place in the story and was supposed to be accompanied by Gamma to double team on Sonic, but it was scrapped. That's why they share the controls to some extent

[@SonicVelocity_]

1:00:21 TOP 10 RAPPERS EMINEM IS AFRAID TO DISS Edit: After I heard it for a few seconds I heard "Norway!"

[@oatmeeI]

1:00:21 no way, I can’t believe this

[@C4ST3R3T3RN4L]

Side of a path: exists Gamma: now you're speaking my language

[@kieranstark7213]

LOL

[@anthonyoliver418]

I like how gamma is more confused nonsense while Big is more interested discoveries. Makes me think that Gamma was tested the least out of all the characters with varying things since he is the last story and doesn’t need to interact with them leading to weird moments involving how he reacts differently than other characters with things he should be able to do.

[@RadiantSharaShaymin]

Gamma needs a target to initiate an attack, while the others can attack whenever they want. Because he's not programmed to target the boss, he can't attack at all. Just a guess for why he can't beat bosses like Amy/Big/ect Also 56:53 When someone asks me how I did something

[@Godoflegos]

I think its not so much that he's not programmed to target them and more that the bosses are lacking the script that designates them as a targetable object. Its probably the same script that puts the lock-on markers on the models.

[@MOORE4U2]

@dalton russell Wouldn't surprise me. His involuntary floating and whatnot makes me wonder the same thing; if Gamma was going to fight the Egg Viper in the same arena, but perhaps as an aerial fight without platforms.

[@1Hol1Tiger]

@dalton russell No, it's just the Targets are automatically set on anything that is set to spawn as part of a stage that E-102 is played on Egg Viper counts as part of Final Egg Most bosses are counted as their own stage, but not Egg Viper

[@EsoiTheGrumpyMawile]

@@1Hol1Tiger that doesn't explain the boxes in lost world. I think that the Egg Viper was originally going to be a boss for gamma but that concept was scrapped somewhere during development

[@Sirus7009]

Also spoiler alert WE GET RAGING CHARRII, I REPEAT. EVERYONE WHO LOVES WHEN CHARRII RAGES, YOU GET YOUR FIX HERE

[@Mag5c68]

Honestly, him saying the game crash was the highlight of the video

[@skyblade7438]

"Raging Chariii" Messatsu

[@vertnation4902]

My favorite boss fight in Sonic Adventure was definitely the Knuckles and Knuckles fight. I'm so glad that you also had the partner, Knuckles, who was also fighting the evil mastermind Knuckles in the background for half of it.

[@Rocker21344]

"I hit something there! What did I hit? God knows! I don't know. I have no idea" Probably my favorite quote from the whole video. I felt that one

[@kregheckel3628]

I think I know why you couldn't hover over the water in the snake chamber while you could over the other water. Simply put, the water in the snake chamber is a manipulative object, which in the coding Gamma doesn't recognize as regular water. If it's stagnant, non-moving water like in other stages or in the Adventure Fields, Gamma can hover over it fine. But because you can raise and lower the water levels in that section, the game doesn't have Gama recognise it as water, and as a result he slips right through it and into the kill plane. Hope this helps with explanation!

[@woobgamer5210]

1:00:21 Blue Sphere's lock on secret in a nutshell

[@mechashadow]

16:44 Even more of a “BRUH” moment that you didn’t realise it was a mechanism of ALL pinball tables. 31:59 Possibly a score bonus for ending within the last 10 seconds on the counter? The mood whiplash from the Big video is hilarious and incredulous

[@BraveBlitz]

These videos are super interesting to me, Strange how Gamma can’t kill any boss besides the final one (well in terms of sonics story) but that “no way” constantly being repeated was pretty hilarious.

[@1Hol1Tiger]

It's because scanboxes for Gamma only show up if an enemy is listed as being associated with a stage Gamma can be played on. Egg Viper technically counts as a Final Egg enemy, and the only other bosses in the game that count as being associated with a non-adventure field stage? E-101, E-103, E-104, E-105.... That said, Egg Carrier is the stage set for E-101 MK 2 and Sonic, so theoretically Zero and Chaos 6 SHOULD be targetable as Gamma, and I don't know why they aren't... but E-102 has no enemies that spawn in Mystic Ruins and Station Square

[@End_Productions]

@@1Hol1Tiger Maybe it's because the destroyed egg carrier is a different stage?

[@СвятославГутов-в4ф]

Should rename this video to a "A man having mental breakdown over a Sonic game"

[@rmzing]

I NOTICED SOMETHING ON LOST WORLD When you hit the checkpoint as Sonic, the time clocked in on the checkpoint was the time you started with, even if you were Gamma. YOU CAN USE THIS TO TEST IF SOMETHING IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE TIME LIMIT by hitting the checkpoint as another character when the timer is very high, then dying as Gamma.

[@anyapeanutlover]

Although, it makes no sense because- While converting from the actual time for Non-Gamma characters to Gamma, then he'll have absolutely no time to give, therefore instantly giving him the time out death animation and then went back to being 1 minute after respawning.

[@rmzing]

@@anyapeanutlover Start watching at 49:15. Notice when Sonic hits the checkpoint, the time registers as 2:46. When he next cuts back to Gamma, the timer is counting down from 2:36 remaining. I'm assuming this was the same run as before, and that he died as Gamma and restarted at the checkpoint with 2:46 remaining on the clock, even though, if the timer started counting up from 2:46, that would mean Gamma would have 14 seconds remaining, and thus the timer should have started at 1:00 for that life.

[@anyapeanutlover]

​@@rmzing That's because when hitting the checkpoint as a non-gamma character, the game reads it as (2:46) and then starts calculating the elapsed time from that point instead of starting off with (1:00). When he switches to Gamma, the checkpoint still registers as a non-gamma type character. That's how upon respawning as gamma, the time will always match up the time elapsed for Non-gamma characters to the actual Gamma timer. I think it resets the timer back to (1:00) if a Gamma character lands another new checkpoint that Non-Gamma characters didn't touch and then respawns. I haven't tested it yet, but i assume that's the case. Although, if a Gamma character touches the checkpoint and after respawn, the clock will still remains (1:00). He was near the end of the level at the time you provided (49:15), which makes more room for doubt to get further testing. You do have a point concerning about the time, and i have no intention of doubting you.

[@ShadwSonic]

"Vulcan Gun is, well, "who cares?", so I didn't get that one." I wonder if it would've allowed Gamma to beat some of the bosses, since you no longer would need to lock on to them to launch a projectile... Obviously the Gamma fight still wouldn't work because "why did the game crash", but Chaos or Egg Hornet?

[@theamazingmaymay123]

The funny thing is, I legit bet that would’ve let him attack all the enemies

[@AdeptArcanist]

theamazingmaymay123 yeah, I really hope he’ll go back and at least try one of the bosses with it to see if it works.

[@ShadwSonic]

@@AdeptArcanist Unfortunately, it seems I was mixing up an SA2 powerup with an SA1 powerup... so that's not a thing. Probably had something to do with him calling it Vulcan Gun, as that's the SA2 powerup's name. The SA1 powerup, Laser Cannon, just makes the explosions from the normal attack bigger. So no getting around the need for lock-on I'm afraid.

[@AdeptArcanist]

ShadwSonic oh. Darn, that’s a shame. ...although now I’m wondering if EGGMAN could beat sonic adventure if you hacked him in, since the SA2 mechs DO have bullets that don’t need to lock on...

[@StarshadowMelody]

@@AdeptArcanist Well at that point, that's basically up to the hacker/modder.

[@canaldecasta]

Since the tornado(+Sonic n Tails) "is" 1 model, can you beat Sonic Adventure as the Tornado? This is more of a joke than a serious state, but it would be great if it were possible.

[@rymac100]

i actually want to know the answer to that

[@runningoncylinders3829]

I doubt it has collision with most areas, any attack that'd work on obstacles, or a jump. It'd be so stuck.

[@HTSAY101]

It be cool since probably doesn't have collision since its on a set path so it probably could skip alot i bet at least 60% of the game

[@MOORE4U2]

Pretty sure that, if it were possible to hack it into a main stage, it would just sit there since there'd be no path programmed for it to follow.

[@akurokushifangirl3519]

Nope, because only Super Sonic can beat perfect Chaos.

[@akryllicmusic7777]

Nobody: Egg Viper: *N O R W A Y!!!*

[@WakoDoodle]

"gamma jumps higher in water" Sounds like a cool power for a potential sonic R character!

[@1111-e4p]

Amy is the unappreciated MVP of this run.

[@demilad225]

I was completely expecting a remix to start when Eggman started repeating “No way!”

[@Icalasari]

42:49 - "Well at least he can fight his own bosses" Game: LIKE HELL HE CAN!

[@liltiger3]

Would love to see an Amy playthrough now.

[@snintendog]

a bit on info final egg was a scrapped gamma level they probably left all the data for gammas lock on and stuff in perhaps even left the claws in too as a left over.

[@KalokesMysteries]

"Everything crashes this game when playing as Gamma." I thought this wasn't a Stryder7x video.

[@brendenparsons8915]

What part of paper Mario is this

[@familiebb5666]

what do you mean by that

[@merchantziro4285]

This made me laugh.

[@jedisalsohere]

Fishing rod vs laser cannon. Yeah, I'd bet on the fishing rod too.

[@MrGukkos]

Ever watch Hunter X Hunter? You better bet Fishing rod is better.

[@obviouslykaleb7998]

MrGukkos You ever seen jojo? You’d better bet against fishing rod

[@edgelord8337]

Is it possible to beat sonic adventure as gamma. This is probably more interesting than beating sonic adventure as sonic. I wonder how he will interact with the stages with his guns and weapons?

[@Wings_Of_Nightfall]

That would make the opening to .exe happen.

[@tubeofglue8117]

To answer your question... NO WAY

[@ProdBy.JayLo3]

@@tubeofglue8117 nhoooowheyyyyy

[@zealiouszone8861]

My headcanon for this run is that Eggman knows that Gamma betrayed him and is constantly trying to make him fail at missions and Gamma is fighting with all his might against him.

[@bobbob1876]

Hey, Charriii! I'm rewatching this video before I check out Part 2, and I just wanted to say I appreciate how you skip impossible areas in order to show what's beyond it-- with intentions to revisit said area. A lot of people that do stuff like this just give up 20 minutes in, even though there's an entire game waiting behind that easily passable waist-high fence! (Easily passable as in, just swapping to another character or moonjumping past it, which most people that give up at the first sight of a barrier would never consider due to it being "cheating".)

[@iruama1405]

These playthroughs shows how resourceful the team was. But there's things that still don't make sense. Like making gamma being the only character who can't hit chaos. Edit : idk about coding too much but I think that the game might have an environmental hurtbox for all characters that is separate from the enemy hurtbox. Which is why gamna clips through certain areas and why the ramp (37:03) doesn't work with gamma. Maybe for some reason gamma's environmental hurtbox is too big for certain areas. Which means that its bigger than big's.

[@elgoog-the-third]

I am a dev, and I must say, the way this game handles what is able to lock on and what isn't, etc, is so very bizarre, the only way I can explain this to myself is that they had multiple teams working on different stages in parallel, leading to things that seem to be the same be implemented differently, because teams. But eh. I wasn't there when this was made, so ultimately, I am clueless. Also, this is the DX version he played. They made quite a bunch of modifications to the game compared to the Dreamcast original, though afaik nothing that changes the game mechanics when you play it as intended.

[@rockclanhawkstar1454]

Hmm, I actually have a theory on why you crashed. Quickest way I could explain it was like Doom Guy in the first doom game. What I mean is that the game shows two models and one is acting just like the normal boss fight Gamma but it's still "You" Meaning that you can't attack yourself otherwise damage will be done to the boss. And the Boss Gamma trying to shoot is in technicalities shooting itself causing the Crash. My Evidence for it is that boss gamma's gun flickered out of existence when you raised your weapon, showing that there is some form of connection between the two of you.

[@MikeThePsykat]

Wait, but if that's true, then how did he do the Knuckles vs Knuckles fight in this video then?

[@rockclanhawkstar1454]

​@@MikeThePsykat You make a really good point there Mike. Hmm I feel like it specifically has something to do with the gun. Like maybe that one is just being the clone and not the whole Gamma.

[@MikeThePsykat]

That could be it. I don't really know much about coding, so I wouldn't know.

[@1Hol1Tiger]

@@MikeThePsykat No idea, especially since it's not the only "Wait, but why?" E-102 can target anything that is associated with a stage that E-102 can play, Egg Viper is flagged as being part of Final Egg, this is so that Final Egg can lead into Egg Viper directly. Most bosses take place on Adventure Fields, and E-102 doesn't have any enemies that originate from Adventure Fields... E-101 counts as part of Final Egg, E-103 as part of Windy Valley, E-104 as part of Red Mountain, E-105 as part of Hot Shelter. But... E-101 Mk 2 and Sonic are both part of the Egg Carrier, so, why the hell can't E-102 hit Zero and Chaos 6? I don't know. My only guess is that bosses on Adventure Fields are their own "instance" and not part of the Adventure Field, and Egg Viper is the sole exception so that Sonic can face him the second Final Egg ends

[@Ninetails2000]

@@MikeThePsykat Most likely it's the act of locking on that's making it crash. With VS Knux it's a physical fight and doesn't involve any extra mechanisms but VS Gamma involves shooting and CPU Gamma locking on to stuff is handled differently than how Player Gamma does it(CPU Gamma locks onto a target and fires with the reticule staying where it was first locked to ensure that it misses while Player Gamma locks onto a target and fires with the reticule staying on whatever it was he shot at to ensure that it hits. Since there's to Gammas with two different locking mechanisms at the same time it's probably getting confused enough to crash.

[@YellowpowR]

Oh my gosh, this game is held together with duct tape and a single use of Krazy Glue and I love it.

[@Flinxmin]

Gamma: You see that floor? Yeah, well I don't

[@danielsurvivor1372]

40:53 that's because Gamma killing Gemma created a time paradox and universe imploded.(also because Gamma isn't programmed well to shoot himself so game crashes since it doesn't know what to do) Infact this whole thing makes sense yoy can't lock to most things because it wasn't programmed. Gamma lock on n shoot ability has different coding from Sonic and co friends melee damage abilities

[@AniMerrill]

I was honestly surprised because Big's adventure in your last videos was such an in depth look, I figured Gamma would be a walk in the park. This is definitely a wild ride, and it's interesting to see all the different things the developers decided to do to make things work. Here are some of my theories for why certain things happen, although I have no way of looking at the code or having any official debug access: * Gamma can only lock onto certain things because his shooting requires a lock-on. This lock-on is probably caused when a ray cast (visually indicated by the laser on his head) hits a collision box flagged for being a valid lock-on target. This then adds to the counter of targets currently in queue, and upon release of the action button Gamma fires missiles at the targets which only interact with valid lock-on targets. I'm not sure why it wouldn't just be flagged for everything, or why collision boxes flagged for enemies/destructables wouldn't be good enough, but I assumed they maybe wanted to have specific control of things in the environment for the purposes of Gamma's specific shoot-to-get-time mechanic. * The frequent clipping likely happens because of the way Gamma changes into separate modes. I know from working with game collision that you frequently have problems and need to develop work arounds for when having a character frequently changing their collision shape (i.e. classic example is a crouching character, like in the 2d Mario games). God only knows how they handle this, but it seems like the worst clipping happens when you hit a speed booster which makes sense because you would be switching between collision states while also suddenly travelling at a higher than normal velocity. I think this was well tested in Gamma's own stages, but it seems on the thin collision of Speed Highway's roads it causes issues. It might also be related to the issues with how Gamma seems to handle certain geometry, like the small lip in Lost World, because unlike other characters or when he is in walking mode his wheeled form poorly tolerates geometry outside of the tolerances made for him in his own levels. * I don't know what causes the grand majority of crashes (tbh it sounds like you need a clean install with whatever mod version initially worked without issues), but as for the Final Egg crashes I remember those crab like enemies being notorious for issues back in the day. I'm not sure why those kinds of things would happen on your modern computer though, as I think the issues were related to them pushing the entity limit of the consoles they were originally on. I sort of wonder what would have happened if you had, for example, killed several of them to reduce the amount and leave before they respawned. It is odd that they were not consistent crashes though, which means that it's probably not possible to accurately diagnose the bug. * My guess is that some of the anomalies, like Gamma being able to shoot the Egg Viper and those claws, is probably from dummied out content that would have brought Gamma's story into direct confrontation with Eggman at some point. It's definitely well known that there were a lot of scrapped ideas and areas that didn't make it in or only partially made it in, but in the course of game development it's like... not worth the effort of erasing that data unless it causes so much fat it wont fit on the disc, you know? As for why the Egg Viper seemingly controls Gamma to some degree, I really have no idea and it's super odd, my guess is that some sort of root code is likely used for both and because you are violating the assumed parameters of the game by having Gamma in Sonic's fight, maybe some low level instruction or bunk memory call causes the code to execute for both the Viper and Gamma simultaneously.

[@yuutaruu4242]

This lad/lady's answer needs to be higher up.

[@AniMerrill]

@@yuutaruu4242 Glad you appreciated it :)

[@danielsurvivor1372]

1:00:41 This sounds like a fan made mixtape "NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS *bass drop* NO WAY NO WAY NOWAY NOWAY I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!"

[@JediKammy]

17:06 this is common with pinball tables, you're officially a master of a table for knowing this.

[@biscuitslash5443]

It's so shocking to see Gamma's gameplay go from what to me was one of the most fun characters to play as, to being far beyond a janky mess. You've really done us a great favour by powering through all of that! I'm very thankful that I know in-depth as to why I should *not* mod the game to play as Gamma anywhere! Honestly I'd love to see developer commentary on this sort of thing. Obviously the programmers are under no obligation to do so, but hearing them talk about the ins and outs of how the game is programmed and what exactly it is that makes Gamma be handled so differently would be really fascinating to hear. In particular I'd love to know what separates the melee targets from the ranged "lock-on" targets, and why the hell the latter doesn't work against any non-Sonic player character fight.

[@oatmeeI]

Oh no, something is about to go wrong with a part 1 video of charii‘s being an hour long

[@ghettokage6104]

Part f*cking 1! Game sin monitor beeps

[@A_Different_Name]

*Fun fact:* Its actually possible to get a Bumper Kart in Twinkle Park. You have to wait for one of the *normal* Kikis to throw one of their bombs at you, and before they explode, you have to PICK THEM UP and throw it at one of the driving Kikis. Twinkle Park is still technically impossible due to the Roller Coaster though.

[@ttgb2990]

Maybe the reason Gamma can lock on to things in Final Egg as opposed to anything else is maybe because since Gamma’s Final Egg level is pretty much just one section from Sonic’s level everything is coded in a way Gamma can interact with it? I don’t know, that’s the best I’ve got

[@kot4311]

16:00 I think the reason you restarted the area with like 2:06 is because you entered the area with Sonic with that time. It might also apply with the other checkpoints where if you wait for like 10 minutes with another character and then touch a checkpoint with that character, anytime you’d die with Gamma you’d get those 10 minutes on the timer

[@Julian_Pepper]

58:17 another possibility (although less likely) is that Gamma is breaking the script were Sonic gets launched to the other platform. Your theory seems more plausible. Your theory could also explain the numerous crashes, the game could be trying to use variables that in Gamma's stages are reserved just for him, and because multiple things are trying to use the same address, data gets used in ways it wasn't supposed to be (perhaps Gamma's state or another object's state gets set to an invalid action?)

[@Julian_Pepper]

@@Roach1 It's probably bypassing the Jump button all together, the Character Battles use the same character object as when the player is controlling said character.

[@Icalasari]

There NEEDS to be a mod so Gamma has infinite hover against Egg Viper and Egg Viper does NOT control him

[@sirrealgaming6913]

I enjoy these WAAAY more than I can comprehend why

[@LockCard]

This games programing is so interesting. Like the whole game without knowing was just held together by duck tape and hope.

[@paw-paddedcalamity216]

NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY! I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS! NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY!... Man, that was one heck of a final boss...

[@Eevee860]

48:00 maybe the changing water level meant the water was coded differently and since gamma doesn't interact with moving water he wasnt programmed to float on top of it

[@hyper_ninja3339]

So, what I learned from watching this video. I'm pretty sure that Gamma is programmed differently than all the anthropomorphic characters. Either that, or something about Gamma's physics doesn't agree with these auto segments. Perhaps the targeting works on a level by level basis. So like, Gamma's to target things in Emerald Coast and Final Egg because those are stages already in his story. I assume the crashes must be the game getting overloaded at times. Maybe Gamma's model is too complex or something, and it overloads the memory or something. The water you can fall through in Lost World acts a lot like wind, so maybe it's programmed as wind with a water texture. That's my best guess as to the things Gamma struggles with. I'm not able to tell without looking into the code though.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

The claws in final egg were probably meant to appear in Gammas version of Final egg mission, hense you can lock on em 56:58 Same goes to Eggman, maybe Eggman meant to be pre final boss? OR maybe he meant to be final boss and that's where Gamma dies and then Sonic shows up.

[@SUCHMISH]

We need to make a meme or a remix of that "No Way" thing

[@fchef8370]

This video is perfect to have as background noise while I’m doing something monotonous. Even if it has been 2 years it’s a great video.

[@Mag5c68]

Him saying crash should be a meme at this point😂

[@chaincat33]

It makes perfect sense why Gamma can't target most enemies you can't target. Targetting is a specific coded action since they have to know where to place the reticle and where to direct the shot. If that wasn't accounted for, then gamma just can't target them

[@juliewinchester1488]

Loading a level as Gamma crashes Pa- I mean Sonic Adventure

[@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171]

51:50 Maybe E-102 Gamma had an unused version of the stage where maybe Gamma was going to have the first area of Final Egg instead of the final part.

[@NamelessNega]

It would be fun to try to beat Sonic Adventure with Metal Sonic even if we know that it is most likely possible to do.

[@1Hol1Tiger]

You won't be able to beat Knuckles or E-102's stages, but everything else... yea

[@bulbtruth]

14:42 I remember doing a sequence break on Dreamcast back in the day to force gamma into casinopolis. You had to build momentum against one of the invisible barriers on top of the trains at the station and eventually you could launch yourself through the roof and to the loading area with a leap of faith behind the geometry. Crazy hard stuff, but if memory serves if you stand still for like a minute or so it eventually would send you to the pinball table.

[@EnderElectrics]

I've tried beating SA2 with only Mechless Tails, you can get farther than you expect! I'd recommend checking that out, might be fun! :)

[@robertwhite3181]

No way, I can't believe how funny that part waa

[@Crescendolll]

Alright in at 14:46 the reason why gamma cant go in there is because he wasn't programmed to do so. So the game doesn't know what to do, so the game frezzes gamma Edit: it also maybe like you said his model too. And gamma has shown to have different properties in levels, so his programming is different by a lot not just in characters and things he can interact with than the other characters

[@YellowpowR]

Oh, so it looks like Gamma floats above water specifically if there's walkable terrain below it, neat!

[@Sirus7009]

YEEEEAAAAH BOI, IT'S GAMMA TIME!

[@kieranstark7213]

*Gamma Adventure (DC) score* Presentation (Visuals/Soundtrack): ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Story: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ (sure, Gamma does at the end and lived way too short by dying just after he was created, but even that made Sonic Adventure emotionally investing by the way it was handled) Gameplay: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ (a bit of button-mashing, but it’s all worth it for everything else it did so right that the Gamma section is the most underrated segment of the SA1 gameplay along with Tails’) ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️/⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ (YEAH BOI, IT’S GAMMA TIME!)

[@walkerwilliams-rigsofrodst3316]

Big The Cat Playthrough: Chariii being amazed for an hour Omega Playthrough: Chariii being confused for an hour.

[@storm10117]

He needs a comeback.

[@raptorzeraora2632]

Thats impossible, hes destroyed

[@darksonicyt5430]

Mason Lambert Omega: Am I a joke to you?

[@storm10117]

I love Omega. I don't think he's a joke.

[@storm10117]

He came back in Sonic Battle for some reason.

[@XperimentorEES]

The merry-go-round sliding out from under you was unnervingly unexpected. The trouble you had with sky deck & egg viper makes me think gamma is actually a lead balloon. The avalanche in the background of the gliding attempt was weirdly amusing though.

[@saysay7191]

Can someone count how many times he said “I don’t know why”

[@OMGreviewer]

My guess for the water thing is that since the water moves, It's coded different, and as such, the game doesn't treat it as normal water. I did see you go into water floating mode, so maybe it's magic

[@beegamvs8929]

Everything wrong with ideas Super mario galaxy Banjo kaziooe Dragon ball fighter z One punch man nobody's is a hero My heros justice 2 Spongebob battle for bikini bottom Team fortress 2 Overwatch Crash bandicoot Super mario sunshine remastered Gravity rush Fallout 3 Legend of Zelda breath of the wild

[@raptorzeraora2632]

For spongebob battle for bikini bottom, he should do the rehydrated game

[@GhoulishCard1319]

Also Sonic Battle (GBA)

[@beegamvs8929]

@@raptorzeraora2632 nah i think the original is better

[@raptorzeraora2632]

@@beegamvs8929 in your dreams maybe

[@n484251]

Also, about weird Gamma jumping during Egg Viper. I think the reason why Gamma jumps so much is cause of shots that lock-on on his tail. Since you are technically programmed to jump when hitting it as Sonic, when you hit them as Gamma (which is shooting them) you also jump, but you continueing to jump cause you keep shooting automatically the tail you locked on onto since you can't destroy it, only shoot it. Just be careful with the lock on and it's easier.

[@GamingFrancis]

I don't know if this is possible, but could you try with Super Sonic?

[@Zonefire15]

It's not possible. There's no official model of super sonic that was meant for regular gameplay

[@typhondst3363]

Eggman was in such utter disbelief his last words still echoed even as he was exploding for far too long.

[@SontailsTGMTheSonicMain346]

Can you beat sonic adventure 2 with tails and eggman

[@ultralowspekken]

The rooms with the crabs, probably too many items and particles loaded in, considering Gamma has boost flames, lock on reticule and rockets loaded in.

[@Code_Null]

After you do part 2 we need a Amy play through

[@MartyrisBisclavret]

It's pretty obvious why you can't lock onto Knuckles even though the same setup occurs in the fight against Sonic. He's clearer rougher than the rest of them.

[@deepbluevi]

Who else misses Gamma 😔

[@louiepikmin3184]

This was really interesting. I was hoping more would be possible with gamma, but you could do more than big. But this sounded more tedious then with big so yeah. I can't wait to see the other part of this video! Also that ending was amazing. "No way! No way! No way! No way! No way! I can't believe this!"