Is Mafia 2 Definitive Edition STILL REALLY THAT BAD? - Quick Thoughts

After two years I return to one of my most watched videos, not just because I was curious to see in what state Mafia 2 Definitive Edition is right now, but also because I needed to correct some things I said in that video! As always, I hope you enjoy the video and thanks again for all the support on my channel so far! :)
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[@Vman_95]

I don't think Vito's lines are flat and un-inspiring, that's just how Vito is, he's not loud guy with humor and charm like Joe, He spent years in Army. Now I understand him more and appreciate how Normal he sounds.

[@MatthysFAIL]

I agree with you in that it fits his character, but there are many examples of characters that are also just normal guys of which I personally think the voice acting is done better. But hey, that's just my opinion :)

[@dean8917]

Vito’s voice acting was 👌

[@Ma-sb4kc]

I have to agree with Vman here 👌

[@WackRusDud]

​@@MatthysFAIL there's only few times in the game when he showed some emotion in his lines (the one that comes to mind when Joe shot barman named Leon by accident - you can see Vito go from his usual self, to getting on edge via a surprise shot, then frustration, then anger, then the combo of both anger and frustration)

[@mattgottesmann3514]

It also still has the infamous infinite loading bug in Chapter 14 after robbing a store. 2K really doesn't care.

[@MatthysFAIL]

I haven't encountered the bug myself, but I've been hearing a lot about it! It sucks that the developers didn't put more effort into the definitive edition...

[@loganford3921]

I ended up with a cut scene with Vito and Joe but Joe's character model wasn't there so it made Vito like he's was talking to a Ghost lol. I've uploaded the clip of it on my channel and I've got a funny feeling I will probably see more glitches.

[@MatthysFAIL]

That's one of the many glitches I've encountered so far as well, just like many other people have experienced by now hahaha

[@HelloKitty-hn6by]

Geweldige video! Bedankt voor je eerlijkheid en ga zo door!

[@MatthysFAIL]

Thanks!:)

[@Parallellines0451]

Seems like most of the original version's graphical glitches are due to Nvidia drivers. A friend of mine had the exact same problems as you did, and I did a full playthrough of the game a while later on an AMD card and had no such problems. Although I had an issue where the game would crash whenever I took a car out of the garage & the fix for that was to simply set compatibility mode to Windows 7. Anyway, personally, I still prefer the original version. The new HD textures and models are nice, but the lighting's arguably worse because of the excessive bloom and contrast (at times it feels like an Instagram filter). Plus, the removed/broken eye animations and cloth physics really bring the presentation down. On an unrelated note, the Bioshock remaster is also full of unresolved issues to this day, like broken weapon animations which don't blend properly into the idle state after shooting or swinging. 2K really fumbled the remasters of their important IP's. Also, adding that disgusting 2K Launcher DRM to all their new releases was a really scummy move.

[@MatthysFAIL]

You might be right, I do use Nvidia! But apart from that, it's still kind of ridiculous they didn't manage to fix stuff like that, don't you think? Apparently I have to convert to AMD to make the game work properly haha! But I can definitely understand why you prefer the original!:)

[@andylugo3873]

I dont notice much graphical glitches on my ps4! ^^ Well… Except the floor ceasing to exist, letting me fall through it forever as vito sprials into hell or keeping animations from finishing so i have to redo entire missions because there’s not enough checkpoints

[@jasonvoorhees9523]

*so in resume:* *if you buy mafia 2 definitive on steam you only get mafia 2 remaster and mafia 2 classic + dlc (but not mafia 1 and 3 content)* *if you buy mafia 2 defitinive without steam you only get mafia 2 remaster + dlc (but not mafia 1 and 3 content)* *but if you buy mafia triology you get 3 games remastered and all content and dlc* *interesting*

[@MatthysFAIL]

Yeah that pretty much sums it up!

[@MuscleCarLover]

I think it's what you have already transfers to the Definitive Edition, making a discount when buying digitally. On PS4, I already had 3, so I got the Trilogy for the price of 1 and 2 and 3 got automatically updated to DE, whereas I had 2 on Steam, so I got 2 DE for free and got charged for only 1 and 3, which also gave me the original. I believe on Xbox you can get 2 and 3 upgraded if you already have them and only have to pay for the remake of the original

[@alroight]

this video couldn't have a better timing to come out. just finished up on the remake of the first one and was about to head into this one.

[@MatthysFAIL]

I knew that, that's exactly why I made the video😏

[@bobafett6192]

Same

[@kimvisser2517]

Hey Matt, Like your video's, keep up the good work!

[@MatthysFAIL]

Thank you kim:) will do!

[@Kadake1122]

Bought all three a while back, and was finally getting to them. First game didn't give me any issues but when I got to Mafia 2, the map isn't finished seems like. Fell through the map too many times to keep count. Just gave up on chapter 8. Play on PS4 pro

[@MatthysFAIL]

That sucks man!

[@LoveMusicInnit]

Has anyone ever managed to find a fix for the black flashing / visual glitching in Classic as shown at 4:40? Scouring forum posts old and new isn't turning up much... Happens to me every attempt to play and is pretty much game-breaking, forcing a quit and reload meaning I'm losing the same progress every time.

[@MatthysFAIL]

I've seen some comments on this video by people saying they've found fixes for the issues in this game, but unfortunately I haven't been able to fix any of them myself...

[@scalz420]

setting pre rendered frames to 1 in nvidia profile inspector not only fixes, it literally DELETES all the stutters from mafia2. Trust me you can re-do that scene where they are machine gunning the glass windows and you will find it will remain at 60fps the entire time

[@MatthysFAIL]

Thanks! I'll try that :)

[@scalz420]

@@MatthysFAIL maybe im over selling it but im really happy it removed my microstutters COMPLETELY

[@MatthysFAIL]

@@scalz420 that's okay, I hope it works for me as well!

[@krypton7807]

This game I have it on ps4 and the bugs have ruined it for me I’ve had a lot of them I’ve also now apparently got to re do chapter 14 because when I get to the part where you give that guy money after the cutscene it crashes and I can’t get past it it’s been one problem after another for me with this game

[@Berserk_96]

Sucks to hear. I play it on my Series X and i had no issues, but when i have an issue i just uninstall the gsme, sucks while you wait but sometimes it's worth it, probably the only advice i can give. Good luck

[@MatthysFAIL]

That's awful! It sucks to hear that people are still experiencing game breaking bugs in the game...

[@arhickernell]

There are some things like clothing, flickering textures, and smoke you can fix on the pc when editing/deleting a few files. Still shouldn't be the case in a 2 year old game and shouldn't have been there from launch.

[@MatthysFAIL]

Still kinda stupid that you have to do that yourself instead of the developers just getting their stuff together. But hey, it's something!!:)

[@Adotty__]

Your content is pure quality

[@MatthysFAIL]

I'm glad you like it, thank you so much!

[@Bammarge2]

I wonder if they fixed were some of the dlc are missing i own the complete edition on the ps3 and theres some packs that were missing at launch haven’t touched it sense maybe ill re download it and see

[@MatthysFAIL]

Haven't had that problem myself, but at this point it doesn't surprise me anymore if they didn't fix that either...

[@ajbennett5427]

On joe's adventures on my ps3 sometime after I beat it it would go into an infinite loading screen usually after i die and stuff. Similar thing on the ps4 but instead of infinite loading it just crashes, reloading the file doesn't work i have to start the dlc over again.

[@MatthysFAIL]

That sucks! It's a shame that many of the problems with the games still haven't been fixed and probably never will be!

[@Dilanplayzzroblox]

Mafia 2 definitive edition sometimes crashes in cutscenes on ps4

[@MatthysFAIL]

Same goes for the pc version

[@Fragrant_Digits]

The clothing physics is still broken to this day. And if you're playing on console there's no way to fix it as far as I know. Strangely it works on the DLC. It's such a shame they keep doing this to these legendary games. I bet there's many people who never played the original and had their first impression of the game ruined just like with GTA. Even those who have fond but distant childhood memories of playing these games have likely had their memories and nostalgia tainted.

[@MatthysFAIL]

Just by reading some of the comments people leave on my videos, I got the same sort of feeling... Such a great game almost ruined by how the developers treated the definitive edition

[@FordHoard]

I guess I was lucky, but I never had any glitches that I was aware of when I played this when it came out.

[@MatthysFAIL]

Good for you! :) would have been great if everyone had that experience.

[@shrekworshiper4965]

i beat the original mafia 2 and joes adventure for the first time yesterday yet i never had any issues with the game (on pc)

[@MatthysFAIL]

Well I'm glad you didn't have any trouble with performance or anything! I hope you enjoyed the game :)

[@nervosadustbolt9642]

I don't like the second, as much, as the first or third one. However, I still like number two quite a bit. I don't regret buying that trilogy pack. Thanks for the upload, dawg.

[@MatthysFAIL]

Thanks for watching it man :) I like all three games as well, just a shame that so many people have problems with bugs and glitches in the definitive edition!

[@5Puff]

Oh wow I didn't expect to see myself in that comments scrolling in the beginning, that took me by surprise lmao. I forgot that I even made that comment. I just got this game officially because I bought the trilogy pack on sale. $25 for Mafia 1 definitive, Mafia 2 definitive and classic, and Mafia 3 with all DLC. I personally think all of that is a steal, and if anyone else is debating whether or not to do it, the answer is yes. Mafia 2 definitive edition does have its downsides, but if you're getting it in the bundle or on sale then it's 100% worth the money. Plus you get the original anyways, which is always nice. Overall, if you're a proper Mafia fan then I would say this is worth getting. Just keep an eye on your storage space ;)

[@MatthysFAIL]

You're absolutely right!

[@88rndz50]

its ridiculous in a "definitive" edition how they butchered things from the original like all cloth physics and eye movements. I deleted Mafia 2 DE the second I saw Henry all cross eyed in chapter 3 and finished the game in original. I wish one day they update mafia 2 DE to match or surpass Mafia DE but that would be a miracle

[@MatthysFAIL]

It would be awesome to see them updating the game in any way, but it's been a few years already, so I wouldn't count on it :(

[@paulbowler5345]

Looks like it still has that flickering light bug like they had in Assassin's Creed Syndicate.

[@MatthysFAIL]

Yup, unfortunately it doesn't really look like it's going to get fixed soon either...

[@pinjaccolada6770]

Resident evil 2 "pretty much the same game but rebuild" but it changes the whole original from isometric to thirdperson adds different story parts and stituations and a whole different game loop. Someone is gonna be hurt by this. 🤣🤣🤣 love the video, still wanna try mafia 2 remaster someday.

[@MatthysFAIL]

I know haha, but with "pretty much the same" I mean to say that the core of the original game (story, characters, locations) stay roughly the same, while the game itself, especially graphics and gameplay wise, it gets a huge overhaul! But yeah, maybe I should just stop talking about remakes and remasters in my videos 😂

[@weishen2407]

It would have been perfect without Vito's weird new eyes, eye motion in cutscenes and clothing physics like in the original

[@MatthysFAIL]

In my opinion it has a bit more problems than just that, but you're definitely right that it would have been better without the problems you're talking about!

[@thejamemes6758]

Your voice lines comparison really isn’t fair, Vito has witty responses, but he is more stoic than Joe, the scene you used is after he returns from war, has nothing going on in his life and his mother just told him she wants him to end up like his deadbeat father. The guy is feeling miserable. You have to keep in mind Mafia 1 and 2 and to an extent 3 are games about two buddies going against the world (One more serious and the other a jester. Tommy and Paulie, Vito and Joe, Lincoln and Donovan) So usually Joe is the one making smirky comments and Vito is usually funny while responding to Joe or white he is without Joe (Because like it usually is, he takes inspiration from his best friend. It cannot be denied Joe had the greatest influence on Vitos life he ended up in the military because of him but when he sees him again he is overjoyed.) I could go on but I think this is enough.

[@MatthysFAIL]

I totally agree with you in that there is a big difference in characteristics between Vito and Joe, which makes it logical that Vito is more calm and reserved in comparison to Joe. I get that that's what they were going for. The reason why I called it flat and uninspired is not because Vito is a different character as a whole, but more about the way Vito's lines are delivered. In my opinion there are quite a few moments in which it sounds like the voice actor is just reading out lines instead of actually acting as a more reserved character. I hope that clears it up a bit more, but I totally get it if you think differently:)

[@wub9044]

Just last month, I began replaying the 2010 original for the sake of doing an achievement run for my Steam library. This game was absolutely great, but unfortunately due to my PC's overall power, it wasn't very stable. Hell, I managed to capture a clip where during driving, a large black hole appeared in the sky and crashed the game. It straight up looked like an apocalyptic event. Honestly, it's sad that the remaster is still horribly inferior and the original isn't stable on more powerful PCs... I dunno if mods are gonna fix the stability.

[@MatthysFAIL]

I had a similar problem with the huge black hole in the sky! It sucks that they still haven't fixed that...

[@tanveer7309]

Which one should I download Mafia 2 or definitive edition I just want story

[@MatthysFAIL]

I'd say download the definitive edition because it's the more complete version and many people don't seem to have as much problems with bugs and glitches, so that might also be the case for you :)

[@tanveer7309]

@@MatthysFAIL thanks for the response I'll download the definitive edition

[@MatthysFAIL]

@@tanveer7309 you're welcome. I hope the game runs well for you :)

[@vateok6840]

I kept getting the stutter when driving, I am using 3060ti, i7 11 series, damn this kills the experience for me

[@MatthysFAIL]

That's sucks man! Especially when hardware like that should easily be able to handle a game like mafia 2 DE

[@vateok6840]

@@MatthysFAIL yeah, idk whats wrong, I just finished the game asap just to watch the story :(

[@MatthysFAIL]

@@vateok6840 unfortunately it's mostly about bad optimization and the developers not patching out known issues :(

[@WickedlyChill]

Only problem I was audio problems every now and then

[@MatthysFAIL]

That's a lot better than what most people experience in the game!

[@RealityZGaming]

Here's the TLDR, you have literally no reason to play the DE version of Mafia II on PC unless you just prefer it. 1.) You get the classic version for free anyways w/ all the DLC 2.) Classic version has more mods and arguably better mods for immersion/gameplay 3.) The classic version is better in almost every way besides lighting, shadows and HD textures like you mentioned (you can also apply both HD texture mods and ReShade to the classic version as well) 4.) The Definitive Edition absolutely destroyed Henry holy shit. (Thats the main reason I don't play it lol) At the end of the day, play whatever you want but this is why I still play the classic version to this day however console is a different story and I can understand why console players would play that over the classic version simply due to accessibility.

[@MatthysFAIL]

Fair points, I personally also prefer the classic version!

[@RedZ5233]

I haven't gotten the remaster game and i'm glad i didn't Bugs, glitches are everywhere in the game but the worst for me is ( yeah yeah, it's not deep or not that serious but i don't give a shit ) That the cloth physics are still the freaking same since 2010 and it's still pissing me off like what the hell is the damn point of a remaster if your not gonna fix this annoying long running bug in the console version at all man They dropped the ball hard dude

[@antonydandrea]

I got it for free on ps5 after playing mafia 1 remastered, which i also got for free. I was so disappointed!

[@MatthysFAIL]

Makes sense man! Especially after playing mafia 1 DE

[@philipgomees]

"Still really that bad?" The game is great! Finished Mafia 1, 2 and I'm now playing Mafia 3 Definitive Edition.

[@MatthysFAIL]

well yeah the games are great, but the definitive edition of mafia 2 has a lot of problems with performance, bugs and optimization, which is what I moslty refer to in this video! glad to hear that you're enjoying the games though, I hope you haven't encountered any problems with the games yet!:)

[@astroguster5522]

On PS5 it plays like butter. It's far from perfect and this game deserves top tier treatment

[@MatthysFAIL]

Exactly!

[@kuokkavieras6498]

Well I just finished Mafia 2 DE on PS5 and it was broken AF.. i still enjoyed the story when i could complete the missions, but when i first played it on PS3 i got 0 crashes or game breaking bugs.. on PS5 though, maybe 10 crashes during story and about 30 game breaking bugs, when i failed to complete missions for reasons (invisible walls, mission not continuing after cutscene etc)..

[@MatthysFAIL]

That sucks man! Especially because I saw that PlayStation Plus owners just got it for free this month!

[@kuokkavieras6498]

@@MatthysFAIL I got it from PS Plus, so I did not pay for it. Sad to see such a lazy remaster for a great game 😔

[@leclerc30]

Mafia II Definitive Edition still has some glitches. Bruno stuck, Lockpick training freeze (Japanese language) and others. But I love Empire Bay.

[@MatthysFAIL]

That's the whole thing, Empire bay is such a nice open world and I love it as well. It's just a shame they didn't give the game a bit more attention... glitches like the lockpick training freeze could've easily been fixed in the definitive edition if you ask me.

[@ratman7969]

I had so many issues with the ps4 version and I hated it due to the glitches. Some were funny to see during cutscenes but it was almost unplayable. Glad it was on ps plus.

[@MatthysFAIL]

At least it's free now, but it still sucks that the game has so many issues!

[@gir489]

enjoyable video, however i have never experienced bad performance in the remaster, runs way better than most remasters put out nowadays

[@MatthysFAIL]

Glad to hear that you haven't had any performance issues!

[@MuscleCarLover]

I understand everyone's experience is different, but mine on PS4 was dreadful, pretty much as soon as I got the Jefferson, the game started running at about 10 FPS and wouldn't go above that, totally unplayable garbage. Which is really strange because on PS3 the original runs perfectly. At least Mafia III was always a buggy mess, just some bugs were swapped for others with the "Definitive Edition", meanwhile the remake of the original is the first game I platinumed because I enjoyed it so much

[@MatthysFAIL]

That's the most annoying part about it right? You expect a better version of a great game, yet what you get is something way worse!

[@MuscleCarLover]

@@MatthysFAIL Exactly, especially when the remake of the original is just so damn good (cheap spawns aside)

[@Lucios1995]

I played Mafia 2 Classic 2 years ago and it ran great for me! Probably because of my old rig 7:45 You're seriously just spoiling this?

[@MatthysFAIL]

I've never had problems with the original game either, always runs great in my experience despite some minor inconveniences. It's just the definitive edition I've encountered significant problems with. About the spoiler at 7:45, I get that some people might not be happy with that, though its also a 14 year old game and many reviews on youtube show this part of the game, so I didn't see it as a problem. I hope it doesn't bother you, but if it does, I apologize.

[@yousifdelvalle4162]

I'm glad it was a free upgrade if you owned the original. But it does run like crap- bad pop in, floppy gameplay- any known fixable mods?

[@MatthysFAIL]

I'm not aware of any mods that fix the known issues, but they probably exist of you know where to look :)

[@NickFlack]

Does it fixed on Xbox?

[@MatthysFAIL]

As far as I know, the game's developers hasn't fixed any of the known issues...

[@NickFlack]

@@MatthysFAIL which recommend between 360 and definite version?

[@MatthysFAIL]

@@NickFlack It depends! The definitive edition is more complete, you'll get the dlc right from the start! However, as far as I know the Xbox version still has some game breaking glitches that haven't been solved. The 360 version is more stable, but you would have to buy the dlc seperately

[@jumpedintheriverwhatdidise5499]

It runs pretty much fine on ps4. It crashed two or three times and I did notice the occasional glitch but mostly it was fine. Mafia 1 was better game though.

[@MatthysFAIL]

I'm glad that you're experiencing so few problems on ps4, I've heard a lot of people say it runs horrible

[@patrick4662]

Same w me

[@brettmurdoch8412]

There more comments on your video then actually on this video this game is broken i beat the 2010 version love it this remastered version is fucked

[@MatthysFAIL]

Exactly! The original is such a good game!

[@irishchristian3991]

Your sub count was 666 so I subbed to fix that, your welcome

[@MatthysFAIL]

You're doing Gods work🙏🙏 thanks for the sub :)

[@garywinthorp4387]

tbh its just as bad on console, the classic version should be played regardless of platform

[@MatthysFAIL]

Agreed, I personally prefer to play the original as well!

[@garywinthorp4387]

@@MatthysFAIL based. Great vid. Def subbed

[@lenaweeks229]

7gb vs 47gb

[@MatthysFAIL]

Exactly!

[@Skeptic333]

I always loved Vito as a character because his story is dark and grounded His life is full of problems and his character reflects it so well He's passionate about his goals and doesn't f around

[@MatthysFAIL]

You're absolutely right, Vito is the best!!

[@anarchistjesus7354]

If you needed to have the difference between a remake, remaster, and reboot explained to you, you probably shouldn't have been speaking about them with authority in the first place.

[@MatthysFAIL]

I don't see this channel as having authority. I'm just a guy who likes to make videos. That first video is now more than 3 years old and it was one of the first reviews I did, so I'm sorry if that brothers you.

[@messii648]

Yea it is, even modders have made better job, they made “mafia 2 final cut” is so much better than this garbage it’s more playable they did us a very good service they and we know we deserved better after that flop

[@MatthysFAIL]

True that!

[@le4-677]

it's still terrible. Xbox version is still missing clothing physics.

[@MatthysFAIL]

that is such a damn shame!

[@kevinmcdonald951]

ITS A 14 YEAR OLD GAME.

[@MatthysFAIL]

Well sort of, the definitive edition came out a few years ago haha!

[@AP-ce5vx]

Mafia 1 was way better

[@MatthysFAIL]

The original you mean? Unfortunately I still haven't played it. I loved the definitive edition though!

[@wit9098]

Mafia 2 is terrible

[@MatthysFAIL]

Well, i personally really enjoy mafia 2, I just think it's a shame that the definitve edition runs so poorly...