Is Silverado EV Coming For Cybertruck?

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[@28blooddog]

I own a CT, bought it to move my fourwheeler around, and can atest that it gets tons of hate. From the left and right. I think its the coolest piece of tech one can buy as it were and auper love it; but the amount if hate is a bit ridiculous. But the best way to be is to not engage any of the haters. Thanks for the content o7

[@CooBlu20]

That's the nicest truck on the road, my friend. It's very bold and stands out as it should!

[@professionalelectronics3158]

No clue why people suddenly hate the sharp looks of the CT when they praised it before it was released. The only complaint people should have is the price not being $40k as promised.

[@RC-fp1tl]

Imagine hating something you don’t even own… smh Congrats OP, we all like it 😊

[@TroySavary]

​@@RC-fp1tlTell that to the Tesla Stans who hate every other EV and tell lies to try to stop people from buying them.

[@koolgamers6763]

The cybertruck isn’t competing with any other electric truck. The types of people who are considering a Silverado or f150 EV are the people who currently own a gas truck. The cybertruck isn’t on the radar of any of those people, it’s being bought by upper middle class tech people who like the technofuturist aesthetic and Elon musk in general.

[@frankleespeaking9519]

Yep

[@28blooddog]

It is though. I always wanted a truck and didn't want one that pollutes. So i went with the company that best makes EVs. I could have went with other varieties but Tesla just knows whats up and they ain't been tarnished by being a polluter like some of the other competing firms. Plus lots of folks across the globe pre-ordered the CT and would love to have one but alas it's only available in the good ole US of A. But bet hundreds of thousands more buyers are out there in other countries. The CT is going to dominate from here on out EV truck wise.

[@ccibinel]

So cybertruck buyers have no business using a truck at all and are destroying the planet with deliberate inefficient choices with a useless showpiece. Sounds about right.

[@Neji1984]

​@@ccibinelhaters gonna hate

[@koolgamers6763]

@@28blooddog the reason the cybertruck will never be sold in Europe is mainly due to how unsafe it is. We’re the only ones crazy enough to allow that type of shit on our roads.

[@icedout2322]

I own one of the first Non foundations, picked it up last week already got 800 miles on it. I bought it because it was an actual truck , I have always hated the paper that other trucks seem to be made of. Even my old dodges are all dented up when I finally wear them out around the 300k mile mark. The CT will pay for itself in the $1200 a month savings on gas its a win win for me. I do wish they made a 8' bed in it though. I work the crap out of my trucks so we shall see how it does over the next 5-8 years and 300k miles.

[@battery_wattage]

And you get more efficiency than a hybrid when not using it as a truck.

[@robertmills1759]

if silverado is like lightning, whilst needing the adapter, it IS plug and charge. the lightning tends to start charging ~2 seconds after plugging in without any user input

[@lwwells]

What’s the profit on the Chevy? Negative $35,000? Good luck GM

[@yalslaus]

bet they will blame failed scaling because "demand" is low

[@jetmechanic1007]

If GM actually had a positive profit margin I would be impressed. Tesla can easily make a 500 mile cybertruck if they wanted to. You see the difference is that Tesla engineers stayed within their design constraints for weight, cost, efficiency, ect to have a positive profit margin. I don't understand why youtube channels are not mentioning anything about this. Another "Tesla Killer" lookout 8,000 pound negative profit truck is "king" of ev trucks now.

[@barryhomes1]

The interior of Chevy Silverado EV RST is a step-up compared to the Cybertruck. I have owned (and own) Tesla's since 2017. Tesla's are amazing. And I would say the Chevy Silverado EV RST is perfect fit for me. Much more utility. Super mileage. Very smooth . I pretty sure GM does not make money on it yet. After owning both Tesla and GM, the quality and features on the Chevy Silverado EV RST are great. I think it is good to have both. :-)

[@MrRyanDevo]

No FSD. You will regret the purchase in 5 years.

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Why regreting having no FSD?You can Drive your car yourself,No fake FSD needet!

[@MrRyanDevo]

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl Don’t know what you are talking about. I use FSD every day and I love it. It makes my monotonous every day commute very easy, and I arrive at work with much more energy. Nobody likes being in wall-to-wall traffic while driving to work. FSD makes it relaxing, allowing me to merely watch with no need to break, steer, or, frankly, do anything. Interventions are so rare and non-existent in my daily commute.

[@barryhomes1]

I had both a plaid and I also a model 3. I had FST on both. I’ve sold the plaid. And I still have the model 3. FSD is better than supercruise. (But supercruise is not bad). Overall, for me, the GM truck is a better truck and can tow . The cybertruck is really a new vehicle. A different thing. I love my Teslas. And I love this GM truck too. :-) Thx Barry :-)

[@TroySavary]

​@@MrRyanDevoSupercruise is superior to FSD. It doesn't regularly kill the owner. FSD is having yet another probe due to a fatal crash.

[@maxherman11]

I want a Cybertruck for the software experience. FSD and the Tesla experience is something Legacy auto can not understand. Only problem is it is $80k and that is what is topping me from pulling the trigger atm.

[@TroySavary]

So you are buying gimmicks, not a truck. Got it.

[@gabrielgingras814]

The biggest problem is making money selling EVs, and producing enough of them to compete. Love the Silverado EV, but Cybertruck will remain king.

[@TroySavary]

Ahh, the wet dream of Tesla, Stans. The pathetic belief that only Tesla makes money with EVs. Cybertruck has already burned through the supposed 2 million preorders, after only 30k sold. It has only cannibalized Model S and X sales, and hasn't put a dent 8n regular pickup sales. Yet you cling to the foolish dream Cybertruck actually has a chance to reach significant sales numbers?

[@gabrielgingras814]

@@TroySavary It's selling more now than all the other American EV pickups combined.

[@TroySavary]

@@gabrielgingras814 I has only had 1 quarter where it has led sales. Considering it was fulfilling 5 years of preorders, that isn't exactly impressive.

[@gabrielgingras814]

@Ryno97 Nah. Production volume will. Availability baby.

[@gabrielgingras814]

@TroySavary So Tesla completely overshot the competition in availability, without dealership markups, and you think it means nothing? What?

[@wt9653]

Neither of them until the price comes down. I ordered a $49k dual motor Cybertruck. Better come closer to that or no way.

[@0HOON0]

Tesla seems willing to absolutely crash prices when necessary to drive demand. A $50k to $55k Cybertruck isn't out of the question.

[@kofii567]

Cybertruck 2.0 definitely needs to be better!!

[@lachlanB323]

In 2021 50k would be like 60k now. So I would expect it to be 60k not 72.5k which it will be soon.

[@thiswillnotendwell4402]

Ok so when you get personal bias out of the way, here’s the deal. Tesla did its research. Most truck owners don’t tow so instead of dropping a massive 200kwh battery pack in it to get 500 miles of range, it has 130 to get 350. They did this for the majority of concrete cowboy truck owners. Then have a range extender for those who need it. Brilliant. A lot of the price increase from unveiling to production has to do with the over 30% inflation over the same time period plus an increase to be one of the first to have it on the road. I am not impressed by an EV that gets a lot of range only because it has a massive battery pack. That’s like me swapping out my gas tank for a larger one and bragging that I get 700 miles on a full tank. Well it takes longer to fill and it costs more to fill and lowers efficiency due to the added weight.

[@TylerMarletteNY]

I want to stay with Tesla but I neeeed range for towing!!! max 80 miles is a hassle. my model y performance does a great job other than range. I tow 3 to 4 times a week over 50 miles away so I have to unhook and supercharge on top of paying more money because I can’t do all of the charging at home

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

We in Europe use Scania, Volvo, Iveco and Mercedes, they got up to 700km range with 42 tons. What do you use?

[@mcsike7264]

I would just rent a gas truck for when am towing if am not towing that often

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@mcsike7264 Never ever again will i voluntarily drive a fossil monster.

[@mcsike7264]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 i don't mine towing with a ev just if am in a hurry I would use gas

[@mowensmd]

Stick with gas for now. We need all those batteries for cars.

[@Nate_G_SD]

9:36 Manufacturing is the challenge, not the vehicle. Until GM can control costs, CT/Tesla will be the better performer. GM will always be above 95k+, sales will stagnate, and production will slow due to too high inventory. CT prices will drop due to superior manufacturing efficiency. Silverado may have the better spec, but manufacturing is key. Personally, I love the look of the Silverado and Hummer.

[@MH-Tesla]

Not only that, they are probably losing $100k-250k on every sale. That's why they will never sell them in volume.

[@LakeLake123]

Always be above $95k? Huh? The LT trim is rolling out now for $75k. With commercial versions as low at $58k

[@CrumResearch]

GMC Sierra even more, wish they would ditch the diagonal sail pillar like the original Honda Ridgeline and the Chevy Avalanche, though.

[@TroySavary]

​@@LakeLake123Facts do not matter to Tesla cultists.

[@Nate_G_SD]

@@TroySavary What part? GM is losing massively per vehicle sold.

[@radicalradzik]

GM’s history with EVs including EV1, the Volt, and Bolt isn’t very reassuring - where as there are several gen 1 Tesla Roadsters and Model S from 2012 (12 years ago) still on the road. The supposed competition has been rumored to be coming to displace Tesla for many years…. Yet…. (Crickets). We will see if GM can remain in business while straddling ICE and EV manufacturing simultaneously. Until GM actually delivers a dependable EV and supports it successfully for more than 5 years continuously I would not hold my breath.

[@rickmcdonald7075]

@@radicalradzik I have a Volt, and it has been extremely dependable.

[@kestrelglassingsystems6704]

I think you hit the nail on the head with the profitability. The CT is the only EV truck on the market with a path towards real margins. The Silverado will likely always be in limited production because it’s not intended to be a profitable product. The Dirty Tesla review of this truck was pretty bad and highlighted the build/software issues, too. Don’t get me wrong, I think this is a solid addition to the market and I’m super glad it is here. But it can’t offroad like the CT, it doesn’t drive like the CT, inferior ADAS… meh. Range is kinda it’s one trick, and that’s great for the folks that need that. I’ll push back on folks buying the CT for its styling, however. Yeah, some celebs did, but the other ~30,000 FS trucks sold went for reasons as different as the folks who bought them. Generalizations that its a style piece make a lot of assumptions.

[@Jhagen-tx5sp]

Your post is spot on. I'll add that everyone thinks they want 492 miles of range, but in this inefficient trucks by non-EV manufacturers that requires an enormous battery pack that is extremely heavy. Long-term these trucks are just going to wear out faster. Even the Cybertruck, which is really efficient, feels heavy. These other vehicles weigh like a ton more.

[@TroySavary]

​@@Jhagen-tx5spCybertruck isn't more efficient. It gets 250 miles real world range on the highway. Silverado gets 500. Double the range will less than double the battery. Tesla Stans always use Tesla's made up range numbers, not what the truck actually gets.

[@Jhagen-tx5sp]

@@TroySavary It weighs 9000lb. Even if what you're saying is true, that GM somehow magically makes power converters and motors that are more efficient than Tesla - a company with 20 years of experience building EVs - the fact that it weighs a ton more than a CT will eat any marginal efficiency when accelerating and driving dynamically. I just don't think anyone wants a vehicle that heavy. The CT is in its first iteration, and is a completely new design. The range will increase as Tesla's battery production capacity increases. Tesla and GM have different problems. Tesla has a battery capacity problem - they have so much demand for their vehicles that they have to ensure they have enough batteries to produce almost 2 million EVs. As that capacity grows you will see standard range in CT increase. For all we know more may be software locked, like it was with the Model 3. GM's problem is that it has to make a vehicle that people want and sell it at a price that actually sees them making money. They're in the same place Tesla was....15 years ago. I predict GM will enter some form of bankrupcy by 2030. So if you buy one of these, my suggestion is to get two. One to drive and one for parts.

[@TroySavary]

@@Jhagen-tx5sp GM is more profitable than Tesla, and you have delusional fantasies that GM will be bankrupt? GM can afford to sell the truck at a loss if they have to, supported by massive margins in the ICE trucks. Tesla can't. Their margins were paper thin the last few quarters. Cybertruck is only lighter because they skimped on quality. The control arms are severely undersized for the truck. The battery protection plate was skimped on, causing at least one fire so far and forcing Tesla to offer an optional underbody armor as a future install. The frame is cast aluminum. Every step taken to lighten the Cybertruck also makes it fragile.

[@lachlanB323]

@@TroySavary Tesla has double the margins of GM.

[@LindyBreaksTheStigma]

You’re confusing $100 reserves with actual sales. Not every reservation turns into a sale. In fact, they’ve exhausted the waiting list and are begging people to buy these things already. There are probably fewer than 50,000 on the road. We had an early reservation and got the email to configure but went with a Rivian R1T instead. So glad we did!😊

[@mowensmd]

They have not exhausted the waiting list, but they have moved on from the 35,000 US reservations for $100k trucks. It's the top selling EV truck vs all others COMBINED.

[@joshualutz166]

I've had an Avalanche for 16 years now. I love it and always wanted another. The Silverado EV is basically an Avalanche EV. I see one in my future.

[@AlphaDewolf]

Between these 2 vehicles, I'd rather the Chevy's non-identical twin, the GMC Sierra EV. It's a much Nicer version of the Silverado. But, because I really don't like big trucks to begin with, I'd rather something smaller like a Rivian or a Telo when that hits the market.

[@ScottOstr]

Large trucks are probably great for certain people, but I'm with you, I would rather have a smaller truck. Ideally, a Truckla with a midgate and some kind of bed cover.

[@Hugo-py2ce]

Tempting for the gmc. Almost 500 miles 🤯

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

The Cybertruck is smaller than a Ford Transit. Do you want to tell me a Ford Transit is a large truck?

[@fonkenful]

⁠@@wolfgangpreier9160Transit is a model series name that ranges from the now discontinued Connect cargo and passenger variant ( a practical sized compact tradesman sized van) to the larger passenger and cargo vans. In the latter series, the L-EL is almost 22 ft long and over 9ft high, 81” interior height. Cargo van has 536cu ft space; passenger van seating capacity 15 - so, yeah bigger than any “truck” Tesla currently has on offer that’s not a Class 8 semi.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@fonkenful The E-Transit has up to 1.6 tons cargo, 15 cubic meters and 316 km range. There is only one type of E-Transit here in Europe. The Custom, Courier and Connect are not available as BEV. only the Transit "Kastenwagen".

[@anotheryoutubechannel4809]

As a CT owner, I hope the Silverado does well. The more options the better. But a 492 mile battery is so over the top. I understand range anxiety, but even my 300 ish CT has never run out of battery unless i drive 3-4 hours away and then a 20 minute charge gets me all the way back home. Having a 492 mile range that you will never use is kinda overkill that you get to pay for without needing. Good luck regardless and enjoy it. It looks great! 🙌

[@MarkBraggs]

I think a big factor to consider is towing. With GMs huge battery you can go 250 miles between charges while towing, versus 150 miles for the Cybertruck. That adds up a lot for example towing a boat to a camp site.

[@anotheryoutubechannel4809]

@@MarkBraggsyou are exactly right. If you are towing, cut range by at least half if not 70%. Thank you for mentioning that. I live a mile from the lake, so towing the boat is a non issue for me unless i wanted to tow it up to Lake Tahoe. Then i will have to plan to stop and charge most likely.

[@0HOON0]

Rural areas in the winter.

[@anotheryoutubechannel4809]

@@0HOON0home charging is key. Without it is no good. I have had my CT in tahoe in the winter and range did decrease some, maybe 20%, just guessing.l

[@pierre.a.larsen]

​@@MarkBraggsmost truck owners never or hardly tow.

[@LK20886]

Everybody is saying the GM products have over 400 miles of range. Sure so could Cybertruck if you double the batteries, increase the weight and cost. Will GM every turn a profit? Tesla will!

[@sexpistill]

Yeah you would have a point if Tesla didn't offer a bolt on battery which nullifies your point

[@cantingpython]

Yeah im not sure why the cybertruck wasnt given at least a 400 mile range at a minimum

[@zandercerlong9693]

Wasn’t time yet they knew they would sell every single CT they could possibly make the first year even if it only had 200mile range off pure hype. Early buyers didnt care about total top range(you can get a range extender btw) Munro already tore down the CT battery pack it’s literally only half full at any moment tesla wants they can go way past 400 mile range by just upping the battery count. This will happen when sales start to flatten out and they need an additional selling point for the CT

[@JRP3]

Because the 4680 cell hasn't delivered as hoped, they could not fit 400 miles of range in the vehicle.

[@JRP3]

@@zandercerlong9693 That is not correct, it is not "half full", there is some extra space at the bottom to protect from intrusion, but not enough for another layer of cells. It would take more space than is available to add another layer of cells, which would also then eliminate the protective buffer zone and reduce ground clearance by 3 inches. There is a reason the range extender pack has to go in the bed to get over 400 miles of range.

[@zandercerlong9693]

@@JRP3 go watch the tear down there is room without having to double stack the layers. The range extender being in the bed is simply so it’s an option for the consumer,, but so that Tesla could deliver all the first vehicles with less battery. Tesla is in the business of profit on electric vehicle, unlike General Motors. If you think that General Motors can make a 400 mile range in Tesla cannot then you’re a fool and you should just stop speaking. Tesla has a 500 mile range semi truck for fuck sake.

[@TroySavary]

​@@zandercerlong9693That's what you get for believing that wash up hack Tesla shill, Munro. There is a bit of a gap to stop stuff that penetrates the inadequate battery protection plate from puncturing the battery. There is no room for a second row of cells.

[@joshuarosen465]

The Silverado EV is competing with Silverados not with the Cybertruck. The customers for the Cybertruck are EV buyers first, it's a lifestyle vehicle not a serious truck. For people who are going to use it as a big car it's range is fine, pretty much the same as a 3 or a Y and that's as good as it needs to be. The Silverado EV is a real truck and it can do real truck things like tow a camper a couple of hundred miles. But for people who are looking for a truck first, not an EV, a diesel Silverado is still a better choice. Gas stations are all pull through, very few Superchargers are. if you have a trailer then you will have to unhook it to use a Supercharger, that's additional time.

[@TroySavary]

We replaced our gas Silverado with a Silverado EV for the huge saving in fuel costs. It is saving about $300/week. That more than covers the truck payments.

[@RivMike205]

It looks like Tesla range will increase across the brand. I would need to see how GM handles EV’s in the future. I still clearly remember how GM managed the EV1.

[@0HOON0]

GM's ability to undermine good products and talented engineering is unmatched.

[@RivMike205]

@@0HOON0 Absolutely, in my mind they have an uphill battle to convince EV consumers that they are in the EV business for the long term.

[@duncancairncross]

Good "Theory" but in THIS world the Cybertruck is outselling both the Ford and the Chrysler put together

[@jvaillancourt]

A vast majority of truck owners do not tow over long distances, even for work trucks. So 480 miles range is overkill for most people.

[@ericgregori]

If you need to tow, an EV does not make sense. With that said, the Silverado EV is a superior tow vehicle.

[@stephendavis6261]

Does GMC software show eligible Tesla charging locations?

[@ryanevernham3064]

Love the Cybertruck but I'd definitely have to go with the Silverado. Cybertruck just isn't a work vehicle and not a fan of there being nothing on the inside besides the console. Looks so empty in there

[@brendykes1202]

I drove a Silverado EV a few months ago. I didn’t like how it drove wrt visibility. Somehow the shape made me have super low confidence that I knew how close I was to anything. The Lightning feels more natural. I just wish it had Silverado specs. Meanwhile every KZbinr says the CyberTruck is the best driving vehicle ever. The first EV truck with 300+ mile range and a $50k price gets my vote.

[@TroySavary]

Visibility is far worse in Cybertruck than Silverado EV. Between the massively long A pillar and the tiny pathetic mirrors, visibility sucks front and back.

[@ralphpetry1745]

I don't see GM scaling production much on this one. They have to be losing their shirts putting in a battery the size of a small nation - lol! Big win for a consumer looking for an EV model in the traditional Truck design if you can get your hands on one at this price though.

[@0HOON0]

Even with cell prices falling as much as they have, the cost of these 210+ kWh packs must put GM deeply in the red on every truck.

[@TroySavary]

Keep telling yourself that GM is losing money. It will comfort you as you cry yourself to sleep spooning your Elon body pillow. Silverado absolutely dominates Cybertruck in specs.

[@yalslaus]

@@TroySavary ok it dominates in specs.. let us know when you're able to buy one 🤣

[@MonkeyPower55]

It’s eye opening how much these legacy automakers are losing per EV. This is not sustainable. They are banking on the battery prices to drop substantially in the future and don’t want to appear to be left in the dust in the meantime.

[@TroySavary]

@@MonkeyPower55 Only in Tesla cultist wet dreams are everyone else losing a bunch per EV. You nutjobs keep claiming this, with zero evidence. You also have zero clue about the difference between build coat and capital expense.

[@jakeblakeley2246]

We'll see in 2024 Q1 where sales are. They'll likely sell every one they make with such pent up demand, but like others have said Cybertrucks aren't great for truck things. You need that big battery for towing/hauling

[@dvader3263]

A small percentage of truck owners tow with their trucks. And for those few who do tow, they don't tow most of the time. The CyberTruck is perfect for most people who use a pickup for truck things like carrying lumber, bricks, blocks, tile, rocks, bags of fertilizer, sand, bark dust, insecticide granules, pesticides, weed killers, paint, ladders, tools, furniture, plywood, sheetrock and towing utility trailers, ATV and motorcycle trailers, campers and boats regionally near their homes. Additionally the CT works for tradespeople who tow near home. Landscapers, plumbers, carpenters, tilers, utility companies, delivery services, parts suppliers, Fire Departments and Police Departments could use the CyberTruck. Tradespeople make money working. They don't make money towing all day long. People who tow giant heavy trailers and RVs don't purchase light duty pickup trucks like the CT or an F150 to tow cross country. They purchase heavy duty diesel pickup trucks costing $60,000 to $100,000 and up for towing cross country. They won't purchase a CT. They'll keep purchasing diesel.

[@jake-ly]

@@dvader3263 For me, those audiences shouldn't buy a full size truck then. They can get a lot of that from a simple utility trailer for $1k and a CUV like a Y. What full size trucks should offset is folks who use them for real work; construction sites, businesses, etc

[@guccisasha]

ty for the video. Imo, No FSD ----> no go for me. Love my CT.

[@0HOON0]

Could be 7-10 years away still for all we know.

[@TroySavary]

Supercruise performs better in all independent third party tests. Supercruise is also not under yet another investigation for another fatal crash.

[@JayCAlan]

Have driven a Sierra Denali EV. Just over 100k. Denali trim on the EV is not as nice as on regular Sierra. Doesn't feel premium. Mid-gate is awesome, way better executed than the old Avalanche, but at the expense of the back seats which are small and hard. The range is the biggest selling point, but as Drew correctly points out will be its downfall because there's no way this truck ever achieves profitability. GM is not serious about EVs and will not crank these out in any kind of number. In the meantime... can't deny it's probably the most useable EV truck.

[@0HOON0]

Considering the wealth of the people likely to buy these things, GM needs to bring their A game with the Denali Ultimate trim.

[@bobpeterson2841]

This creator is a top notch producer of valuable content. Most of the others , some of whom I watch regularly, repeat their content far 2 much. Hence I subscribed 2day. Mystery remains as 2 how me manages 2 speak so rapidly as 2 how he manages 2 speak so rapidly without any noticeable signs of taking a breath ??!!

[@matthewh.kimm.d.9784]

If they are selling trucks with 490+ miles (220-250kwh battery) below $100K, they will lose tons of money. This model will not be sustainable. There is a reason why Tesla could not place 200Kwh battery in their vehicles and sell them under $100K.

[@freeheeler09]

Our local lumberyards deliver for far less than my hourly wage. I own a Dodge Ram that has been a very good truck. But, it gets 15 mpg empty and costs over $80 to fill up. As a young person, I drove Ford Ranger and N early model Toyota Tacoma for work, both great trucks.We need a small, work EV truck with a decent payload and a ling bed. I’m done with paying huge amounts of money to gas up my Dodge. My next trucks will be an EV.

[@michaelblue7852]

Kind of suprised to hear they have same effeciency. Silverado should be much heavier with that crazy battery size and looks less aero.

[@Sqeptick]

I'm thinking the Cybertruck's sales dominance is about to end now that they've run out of reservation holders.

[@mcsike7264]

I don't think so but thats my opinion

[@thomasreese2816]

They just started going through the reservation list for non-Foundation variants

[@Sqeptick]

​@@thomasreese2816 This was the headline from Electrek yesterday. It sounds like you can order one and get it right away. "Tesla’s Cybertruck backlog is depleted - can now be ordered without reservation"

[@nguyep4]

Hearing rumors as fact? Majority of the reservations are waiting for the $60k while the next up is $80k. Current reservation doesn't mean they won't be adding more people wanting to buy a CT. If production runrate goes 200k per year, Tesla still has years of backlogs. Remember, the interest rate is heavily weighted against $60k loan, let alone at $80k. Oh, about 80% of truck owners don't use a truck as a truck.

[@Sqeptick]

@@nguyep4 I don't think so. We'll see.

[@v1c5an6]

It baffles me how many ppl are so hung up on the current prices and forget that Tesla will lower the prices as they reach economies of scale as evidently seen with their other vehicles. Cybertruck is still new and they have yet to iron out kinks ;)

[@ThomasTheTankEngine22]

People that buy the Cyber truck are Fanboys. It is what it is. They're not truck people. They're obsessed with Elon and his half fulfilled promises. And anybody who compares a Tesla interior to literally anything else, and then subsequently calling the other interior cheap, loses all credibility to me

[@MonkeyPower55]

Fanboys yes, and also people who like future tech and the design. People either love it or hate it and you don’t have to be a fanboy to love the design and concept.

[@williamread8186]

The sad reality is that I think GM actually knows how to engineer and build a good EV but seems utterly incompetent at the sales and marketing end of things.

[@yalslaus]

its not profitable that's why

[@CrumResearch]

How about GMC Sierra EV AT4? Could be good, with air suspension, AT 3-Peak tires and Supercruise.

[@Victic005]

Now they are selling the non foundation series it's gone to be even worse.

[@daviidfm923]

Silverado ev is the best ev truck I feel. I would totally buy it if I had that kind of cash laying around.

[@CrumResearch]

Compare to GMC Sierra EV

[@808mkduffer]

Just gonna wait for Telo. It's the solution that makes the most sense for me. Thanks Drew. *edit* HA! Wrote the original post before I saw the "subliminal" ad! 😂 Still, Telo FTW!

[@davidlazarus67]

Looking at the videos of the problems of the Cyber Truck I think the electric F150 has some advantages overall. Ideally I would like a Japanese Kei type truck if I were ever to get a Truck.

[@jamespaul2587]

Have you looked into TELO trucks, David? That's the closest thing to a Kei truck for North America

[@davidlazarus67]

@@jamespaul2587 I am not in North America and don’t even need a vehicle except occasionally so will rent one. I am looking forward to more EV options.

[@jamespaul2587]

@davidlazarus67 interesting, ride share or rental options are a better solution for you then. I'm hoping smaller and cheaper EVs are available in North America soon, as we have far too many oversized and overweight vehicles.

[@davidlazarus67]

@@jamespaul2587 It’s not just in North America. There are probably too many large trucks here because they are status symbols. I could easily live with a Microlino or Smart EV. So while I don’t need a vehicle I definitely see the value for people. Though many make poor choices and buy vehicles to impress others. The Japanese Kei trucks are very practical for many of not most North Americans. Small cheap to buy and run and have a flat bed when needed but super easy to park because of their size. There are also some very cheap Chinese trike EV’s with flat beds that are super popular with farmers of all sizes. I think they are getting banned in the USA unless over 25 years old.

[@bujin5455]

Good for Chevy. Here's hoping they sell a bunch of them, and they don't implode, like so many non-Tesla EVs tend to do. I hope it's a successful and reliable product.

[@dmcarstensen]

I really don't think looking at sales quantities are actually a good indicator right now. The fact that people are buying more Cybertrucks doesn't mean Tesla is winning the race. I'd be very curious to see how many of those sales are coming from repeat EV drivers, particularly repeat Tesla owners. On the flip side, how many of other EV truck sales are actually from new EV owners. If the legacy automotive companies are creating new EV truck owners at a higher rate than the Cybertruck, I think there's a good argument to be made that they will eventually gain market share at a higher rate in the long run as ICE owners become EV owners.

[@ien2023]

All ELon had to do with the truck glass was add a manual sliding door window and that would made a diff.

[@LakeLake123]

9:50. I disagree. The whole point of the (fka) Ultium program is shared cells and modules, motors, inverters, etc. The MORE they make, the cheaper they get per unit. GM will hit 100,000,000 Ultium Cells this year, in addition to the 35,000,000 or so they made last year. They’re absolutely not limiting volume of cells. I also don’t understand the “GM isn’t interested in volume” argument. GM is approaching 600,000,000 vehicles built, more than any company, ever. In addition, they’re still the #1 volume automaker in the USA, by far. Volume is literally their specialty.

[@zandercerlong9693]

They literally just announced they are going to kill the Ultium experiment. It SUCKS

[@altosack]

GM isn’t interested in _EV_ volume, and won’t be until they become profitable, or at least not losing quite so much on every one they sell.

[@TroySavary]

​@@altosackGM does not lose money per unit on EVs. They just haven't covered capital expenses yet. That it why they want volume. Fuck, Tesla Stans know nothing about manufacturing. GM has repeatedly stated their EVs will be profitable by the end of this year.

[@altosack]

@@TroySavary - “GM has repeatedly stated…” they will pass Tesla by the end of _____. Do you believe that, too? What volume is “profitable by the end of the year” based upon? Their record of “forward-thinking statements” has not held up well; I’ll believe their numbers when they happen, not before. And how is not covering capital costs profitable? The last time I checked, that’s part of the calculation. While I’m not interested in buying a GM (or Tesla) product, I’m not pining for them to fail, nor for Tesla to continue succeeding, other than the fact Tesla is producing superior products, which should be rewarded in a fair market.

[@LakeLake123]

@@altosackThat’s just not true. They wouldn’t be working on their 4 USA battery plants and 6 North American auto plants making EVs if they weren’t looking for major volume.

[@kuelezav]

How do you know how many cybertrucks have been sold?

[@taker610]

The Silverado EV has a low payload compared to Ford and Tesla because of that huge battery pack. So it's a tradeoff. I think the smaller battery makes more sense with a good charging network.

[@TroySavary]

Luckily GM offers a cheaper, smaller battery option with a higher payload. Imagine that, making different trim levels for different needs.

[@mickgatz214]

As per old battery tech, slow, trickle charging is the magic wand. :)

[@ramshambo2001]

They are going after a very small portion of the market that needs haul things on a normal basis, otherwise you're strapping a ridiculous big battery weight to your truck

[@Biggest1ofthem]

so whats the difference between cybertruck Steer by Wire and previous vehicles that came with steer by wire?

[@viewer_5714]

No steering column in Cybertruck.

[@Biggest1ofthem]

@@viewer_5714 so why would previous vehicles with Steer By Wire have a steering column?

[@SKYLIMI]

So where is the cheap Silverado EV because I see $97,000

[@shilvock22]

I'm always confused how Tesla cyber truck owners can point at the silverado EV and complain about it feeling cheap inside. I get that you can be a big fan of every single control inside a nice big screen, but the rest of the interior is very plain and uninspired

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Silverado, Rivian and Ford F150 are nice looking luxury trucks for the weekend glamper. Certainly not usable for work. They are much too shiny. If you want a raw, sustainable and always rough looking truck that does not cost a fortune you can only get a Cybertruck.

[@mcsike7264]

Cyber truck cast the same also Silverado is a batter work truck can tow more 12k to cyber truck 11k and further and charge faster even tho both are 800V cyber truck only holds 300kw for like 2 mins 😂 Silverado can hold that to 50%

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@mcsike7264 I do not need to tow. The Cybertruck is much sturdier and rougher than the nice and shiny GMC. And the Silverado is much too heavy. I am not allowed to drive it with my license here in Europe.

[@mcsike7264]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 oh you cant get the cyber truck in Eu but tuff hmm not really sure the outside but you can literally peal the panels off the stainless steel was funny but overall not a very good idea like the design but what they use to make it not so much I can tell for a fact cyber truck gen 2 is just gonna look like a normal truck for sure

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@mcsike7264 So a 0,8 mm thin steel that crumples when i hit it with a cotton ball is a better idea than a 2mm hardened steel sheet? Man, next you want to sell me the best place to retire, right under this bridge over there. right? Do you really think the whole world was born yesterday? Why should Tesla revert to oldtimer looks? They did not with their 3, Y, Semi - and most certainly not with teh CT CC or RV. Actually i do not buy the CT because of its looks, that is of course a plus on my checklist. I want to buy it because it is the best compromise for a small transport below 3.5 tons truck which i need. I have looked at the Mercedes E-Sprinter, Toyota Pro Ace Max, Opel E-Movano, Fiat E-Ducato, VW E-Crafter and Mercedes E-Sprinter. I did not look at the Maxus e-Deliver that one is just too old and its range is abysimal. The CT got the most checkmarks and won the spec compeititon. And of course it is a Tesla, Its Software is the best feature. No one else comes even 10.000 miles near,. The RWD will be even the cheapest offer when it comes to Europe.

[@mcsike7264]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 i dont think tue ct is coming to the Eu anything soon my guy

[@Briones215]

I agree it's good that it has the same as all Tesla but in my opinion if you have a truck since it's impossible to have pull through station in all station of supercharging and other ev charging station and people are still using it to tow it would be nice if that all future truck would have it on the front passenger side or in the middle so that cyber trucks and all EV trucks that supports nacs in the future would be able to charge when long distances towing because they are still people buy truck for towing

[@B4R0N.]

And they are building them FAST. I'm seeing A LOT of them at dealerships and on the street. GM seems to have figured out how to build Ultium vehicles in numbers.

[@MH-Tesla]

You're joking right? They won't sell hardly any regardless of demand. Less in ten years than cybertruck sells this December. It's pointless to do a video on a truck that won't be sold in volume.

[@Victic005]

I barely seen the GM trucks. I see more cybertruck here in southern California.

[@cantingpython]

They have announced that they are moving away from the ultium platform havent they?

[@zandercerlong9693]

They are literally now talking about killing ultium that program sucks

[@MrRyanDevo]

200 kwhrs of battery - they will never be profitable with these.

[@darinbrazil5496]

Yes it is and its better in every way and looks better as well.

[@codyhayes3920]

I am a massive Tesla fan however the cyber truck doesn’t make me go wow 🤩 that’s a cyber truck it makes me go wow 😐 that’s a cyber truck. I would definitely buy a Tesla truck if it was an actual truck and not that over powered over weight door stop they call the cyber truck. I’d rather get the Silverado ev or rivian R1’t as they are nicer and videos show the Silverado getting far more range then the cyber truck even when towing stuff

[@rickmcdonald7075]

My guess is that Cybertruck sales will collapse now that they are through all the reservation holders who chose to buy one.

[@garywozniak7742]

I think you might be right.

[@TroySavary]

It has basically replaced the S and X as the Tesla that Tesla Stans aspire to. So it will likely retain Model S like numbers.

[@craigsanchez212]

2024 3rd quarter EV sales in the US per KBB CT is the third best selling EV (behind Y, & 3) .

[@mowensmd]

You read crappy information friend. Try to find better sources.

[@rickmcdonald7075]

@@mowensmd, it’s a prediction, a guess, and you may be right, but as we move out of the Tesla superfans with reservations, longtime pickup owners like myself will have to be convinced that a weird looking somewhat less usable truck should cost more than the Lightning and be less capable than the Silverado EV.

[@michaelyoung2188]

As for EVs, RANGE IS KING! There is no if ands of buts.

[@mcsike7264]

so you will deal with 2 or 3 day home charging and forget superchargers with a battery that big your paying gas prices at that point dont forget weight if your towing anything your payload is shit so better be you alone and pray your not too fat thats how heavy this truck is 9000+lb the range is good but comes with a pretty steep price if you ask me

[@michaelyoung2188]

@@mcsike7264 Charging at home I get about 30 mph. To get a full charge it would take a while, but if you need it, it's available. Range is important to me as I tow a horse trailer, often over 100 miles.

[@mcsike7264]

@@michaelyoung2188 by awhile you mean multiple days with a battery that big I get it you need range thats why we still have gas truck as a ev fan it hurts to day it

[@aledwilliams1234]

This is a poor take. For SOME people this is the case, but for many this is not true. I drive only 20 miles per day, so why for me particularly is range that important? I would prefer to have a more efficient design to reduce the cost per mile, rather than carrying around a very heavy battery pack for that one time event that I need a huge range.

[@mcsike7264]

@@aledwilliams1234 true also those who buy this thing may god go with em tires are gonna eat there wallet alife XD

[@dpav02]

Cybertruck because of the power share home backup. I know Silverado on paper can do the same thing but their system won’t integrate nicely with Tesla solar and Powerwall.

[@Hcwolohon]

That range sounds awesome,, but when you get to a supercharger does it take 3 hours to fill that range back up, how long does it take to charge to that full amount at home. I feel like those numbers matter. Because let’s say I can skip a supercharger because I can drive an extra 200 miles what does it matter if I’m stuck at the next one for 2-3 hours. On the cybertruck, I charge to 70 or 80 and gone in 20 mins. For example the hummer ev sounds equal in range to cybertruck but its efficiency sucks, and it charges slow.

[@jackylsmith8138]

Tesla just needs to design superchargers with longer charger cables. It is a design flaw to only allow Teslas to charge there. Tesla has made $0 on Cybertrucks yet. They have invested billions and haven’t made even anything close to that yet.

[@melvinholland9656]

The problem with GM’s massive battery approach is the limited payload of 1450 lbs. If you’re pulling a trailer with a tongue weight of 1000 lbs, you have almost nothing left after accounting for two people. Truck guys know this and will stick with diesel/gas.

[@danh8753]

GM has zero chance of ever making a profit with the truck so it will never be made in numbers to come for anything but the truck graveyard

[@MrRyanDevo]

Cannot buy if it has no possibility of ever having FSD. I will no longer buy any vehicle that is unable to have FSD.

[@garywozniak7742]

Outside of the cult, I don't think that people give a rats ... about FSD.

[@MrRyanDevo]

@@garywozniak7742 Then you are just remaining willfully ignorant. I use FSD every day. It is not a figment of my imagination or the result of brainwashing. It is silly for you to talk about a “cult.” That presumes that people have given up their ability to reason and rely only on faith , i.e., belief without evidence. There is no such faith here - there is only belief with evidence.

[@EV3NTH888]

scaling up production lowers costs per unit...

[@mowensmd]

No, because GM doesn't have enough batteries to make many.

[@Jhagen-tx5sp]

Is Silverado EV Coming for Cybertruck: No. Saved you 13 minutes.

[@danharold3087]

Developing a fan base is a good thing, it can make or break a new vehicle. GM has spent millions, possibly 10s of million to build acceptance for its EV trucks. GM is switching away from the ultium battery. Cost is 10% to 20% more expensive than planned . Between the time GM set its Ultium battery price objective (~2017-2019) and today battery prices have dropped by about 25%-40%, The 203 KWh battery pack GMs cost is up to 6K more than projected and worse when compared to the existing battery market. That massive battery eats into payload and towing specs other than range.

[@TroySavary]

Not a single word of that is true. GM said using LFP could save up to $6k per vehicle, not that current chemistry is $6k more than what they expected. LFP is always going to be in lower trims because of the lower density. They are not dropping the current Ultium cells, just the Ultium branding for the platform. When lowest price is the target, LFP will be used. When highest range is the target, NMC will be used. Both will coexist.

[@danharold3087]

​@@TroySavary "In its quest to be a leader in electric vehicle sales, General Motors has recruited a former Tesla executive to develop high-quality EV batteries at lower costs to make EVs affordable for the masses and profitable for GM." (Feb 8 2024, Detroit Free Press) The Ultium name may persist as branding. The Ultium concept of a single, flexible battery platform for all EVs is effectively being abandoned in favor of a traditional more diverse and vehicle specific approach to EV battery technology. GM Ultium along with its EV have not come close to scaling production to where batteries could be produced economically.

[@TroySavary]

@@danharold3087 No, you have it backwards. The branding is going away. The platform is remaining. The Ultium platform was always cell format agnostic. Chinese mad Lyriqs already have prismatic cells while American made Lyriqs have pouch cells, for example. Same platform, different battery cells.

[@danharold3087]

@@TroySavary This is GM spin spin.

[@TroySavary]

@@danharold3087 Facts that do not agree with your opinion are not spin. Right from the introduction of Ultium, GM made it clear it could use any cell format and chemistry. The updated Ultium bolt was always going to be LFP before the ex-Tesla guy was hired. What do you mean they can't make it in scale. The 3 plants GM built wirth LG have a greater cell production capacity than Panasonic has at Tesla Nevada. Tesla builds more cars with Chinese made CATL cells than they do with cells produced in Nevada. If we are going to count China, GM isn't far behind Tesla in EV production. If we are not going to count China, you have to eliminate over half of Tesla's production too.

[@anotheryoutubechannel4809]

The video under this ‘Ford paying dealers to F-150. Nobody wants to buy one’ from Electric Viking. 😳

[@ericgregori]

People don’t just want an EV; they want a Tesla.

[@garywozniak7742]

Not everyone.

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

Your average truck buyer is probably not an "interior minimalist" and so will gravitate towards the Chevy, especially with 200+ miles MORE range than the CT for about the same amount of money. They're looking for something that resembles trucks they've already owned in the past, not a spaceship from the future.

[@realchurch2693]

Tesla puts their best out right away. Chev and the rest milk things out with little upgrades year after year. The silverado is far superior in every way except one large one. Lane centering at all speeds and FSD. This is huge and gm needs to step up supercruise NOW!

[@pierre.a.larsen]

Superior in every aspect? Except when it concerns quickness, top speed, handling, hauling capacity, towing capacity, dent/scratch resistance, off roading, tech, software, tonneau etc...

[@darwinskeeper421]

I'm not a truck guy and I don't like dealing with large vehicles, so I'd go for the Telo before any of the other pickups on the market.

[@TKevinBlanc]

Which at this point is not even close. Love the design, though.

[@dvader3263]

The CyberTruck is both shorter in height and length than a midsized Toyota Tacoma double cab 4x4 truck with a 6 foot bed.

[@sluggyyarvin]

The Silverado is a truck for people who want a truck. The Cybertruck is for Tesla fanboys.

[@zandercerlong9693]

@@sluggyyarvin totally delusional statement

[@xpreflex6265]

Broski's coping💀

[@BigDLord5657]

good thing no one is buying the silverado

[@pierre.a.larsen]

Try to take the 9000 pound Silverado off road - while you are at it (before you get stuck) drive through the bush and scratch up that sensitive tin skin. Or how about hauling 2500 pounds? Trucking is different things to different people. There is room for both types of trucks.

[@TroySavary]

​@@pierre.a.larsenI'd rather dent the skin, doing cosmetic damage, than drive a truck with a cast aluminum frame, which breaks under stress.

[@cylonmode]

I'm highly disappointed in everything regarding the Cybertruck... With that said, the Silverado isn't anything to get excited about either. Rivian is the only truck I'd consider right now.

[@mcsike7264]

So your not planning on doing truck stuff then BC it has the smallest bed out of all if em most inconvenient drunk BC of how it opens shit at charging BC it over heats easily towing range just like every other ev truck exp gm's is shit its more of a off road truck than a work truck let's be honest

[@0HOON0]

I don't have the finances for any of them. If I was in the market, Sierra would be #1 for me. Range is absolutely king in rural areas.

[@daryl9799]

Rivian is a ticking time bomb if they are even around in 10 years id be surprised.

[@mcsike7264]

@@daryl9799 hope so there a good company with a good product

[@0HOON0]

@@daryl9799 They need a middle east sovereign wealth fund to step in like Lucid.

[@MH-Tesla]

Hard to sell more trucks if you're not planning on making them. It's kinda pointless to even talk about a vehicle that will sell less in ten years than cybertruck will sell in December. Seriously. They will NOT sell these no matter what the demand!!!!! It's a joke and a slap in the face to the true EV enthusiast.

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

Absolutely

[@theaverietts1552]

You need more stock photos.

[@rp9674]

Blom blom ! Chevy bringing the overkill everybody wantz

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

The Silverado is a real Truck!

[@ophthodawg]

The CT platform is great, its range sucks and cannot function as a tow vehicle in its current battery spec. Until that gets sorted I cant buy one …

[@darrenthul7088]

I'm on my second Tesla first model s great car now model y just ok very disappointed with range now I bought a Chevy wt 4 .448 miles range and not annoying to drive like my Y fsd y Chevy ev wt 4 is fantastic value won't buy another Tesla until 500 mile range

[@Bikerbug2020]

Honestly the Cybertruck is underwhelming, the range sucks, and kinda tired of the whole minimalist thing on the interior… Looked at the Sierra EV and Silverado EV and it looks amazing on the interior.

[@theaverietts1552]

Nice coming up! Maybe it’s time to invest in a microphone now.

[@bobbybishop5662]

Those 120k foundation truck are selling for around 90k after less than a year old and low miles. Massive depreciation.

[@mcsike7264]

I think both can exsist but idk how long gm can keep this up 200kw+ is a very big heavy expensive battery take days on a home chsrger and chsrging such a big bsttery at a Dc fast charger would prob come if not the same pricr of gas also you may hsve grate toeing range but your payload is shit so cant carry anything else 😂 and god forbid the bsttery gets damge outside of warranty if you keep the truck that long

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

Tesla's competition is coming All over them self 😂

[@takenoshortcuts]

CT turned out to be stupid in many ways and a sales flop compared to demand. Go GM.

[@jarrodf_]

Everyone's coming for Tesla. Consider Q1-Q3 global BEV sales growth was up +22% (Autoline); by contrast, Tesla declined by -2%. Suffice to say, Elon is Tesla's biggest liability; Tesla's traditional customers just don't want to be associated with the brand any more.... Tesla's Earnings Per Share is down >50% since 2022 ($1.10 to $0.50). I'll be surprised if Tesla survives while Elon has any interest in the company

[@Ed-jg3ud]

It needs to be heavily asterix’d thay promoting the work truck as having so much more range for less money as if it’s the no brainer choice vs the cybertruck are full of a bunch of holes if you delve deeper. The work truck lacks so many features of comfort and style that CT comes with, and specs are worse in many areas (payload & towing). Chevy thinks ppl will be drawn by the range spec and yes that is no doubt better (at cost of dead weight 90% of the time) but there is so much more to it once u start really comparing them. About the only thing the Chevy beats the CT at is just pure range; but a smart buyer should look way beyond that. Remember these things are computers on wheels- and GM is HORRIBLE at software, absolutely horrible. I know from years of owning them. It’s so much beyond pure range.

[@xh3598]

EDUCATION TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!. It does not matter who is competing with Tesla. All Tesla cars is a computer on wheels and is control by "DOJO".

[@netgeek3010]

Chevy has invested in new battery technology that the company claims it reduces the battery cost by 20 percent or potentially more. TDK is joining GM an unannounced Chinese battery maker "lol this news got a certain mega Chinese battery maker CATL or BYD? Interested? Who you got only thing they are building this factory in the US for 5 billion dollars. That means the earliest this battery technology not till 2026 at volume. Other news I think people are nervous as new higher density safer batteries are around the corner. There is a lot of things such as solid state batteries with substantially higher density batteries to around the corner. There are businesses to who want 250 miles of towing range too. It's a crazy requirement my 2019 Silverado ICE truck only gets 230 miles without towing. Things are going to get even crazier with Rivian hinting over 1000 hp an 1200 ft-pounds of torque R1T while increasing range.

[@douggolde7582]

I’ll never buy another GM product.

[@brddukaty7460]

What about the weight of Chevy