Is The 2024 Tacoma Overpriced? No.... Not Even Close... Here's Why

[@RileyMonthule]

I keep seeing people saying you can't get the 24 Taco for msrp so here's a dealer that marks thousands off msrp and is really easy to deal with. Personally after everything I actually paid well below msrp and that's in the most desirable color. You just have to shop around and be willing to fly if necessary like I did. You can easily get a trd off road with locker for under 45k msrp which makes what I was saying even more true considering even an almost base truck has better features than the old fully loaded 3rd gen. www.jimbagantoyota.com/viewdetails/new/3tmlb5jn3rm40b006/2024-toyota-tacoma-double-cab?type=lease

[@mrnicewtf8301]

I purchase a brand new trd sport and boy let me tell you it’s miles ahead of my 3rd gen taco I won’t lie the 3rd gen is solid truck as well but this 24 taco is leaps ahead hence why it’s more expensive.

[@HomesteadReliance]

Your young. I bought a loaded fj cruiser in 2007 for $26k even had a locker. Inflation calculated to 2024 is around $40k. I’d say overpriced but your used to overpriced and overpaying (most people are)

[@RileyMonthule]

Yeah the world was much different back then. Basically everything was cheaper due to a multitude of factors with the simplicity of vehicles being a big one. The FJ is basically just some seats bolted to a frame with a cool body. Making a car is just more expensive nowadays.

[@colbymag2053]

@@HomesteadReliance yeah $40k adjusted for something with the options of a Wrangler l, except you didn’t get a solid front axle 🙃 the new Toyotas have SO much more (heated/vented seats, 360 trail cams, integrated trailer controller, power seats, power tailgate, power plugs in the bed, dual climate control) including significant power and torque bumps. These are not the same product. Not even the same class anymore.

[@RileyMonthule]

@@colbymag2053 yeah exactly. Not to say the old trucks aren’t awesome. Love a good FJ and that generation in general is just so simple they’re dumb easy to keep on the road for decades. But yeah I personally love all the features on the new trucks. The trailer brake control is a good point. Forgot that wasn’t standard in mid sized trucks till recently.

[@rtclark4068]

The type of people who say it's overpriced are happy buying older used trucks and won't buy a new one even if Toyota still made the same second generation taco. The 2024 tacoma, however, is exactly what the new car buyer type of person wants. There is nothing wrong with either of these things. The market for new trucks changes. Oh well, there are plenty of old used trucks out there for you guys! Lets all just admire they offer this thing in a manual still, wow!

[@Jay-me7gw]

Inflation would make sense if ALL of the equivalent mid-sized trucks were $65k like the TRD Pro or Trailhunter. But they arn't. When you can get the TRD OR up to the same price as a Ranger Raptor, there is something wrong.

[@RileyMonthule]

A ranger raptor is going to be at least 10k more than my truck. I mean the Tacoma has always been more expensive than the competition because Toyota backs their product better than anyone and the trucks last longer than anyone else's. Honestly now besides for the highest end trims the Taco makes more sense than ever. Better features, interior and build quality tha any of the competition and will more than likely last much longer. Do have to say if I was buying the highest end trim I'd probably take the raptor over the pro. Really think the pro should've gotten the twin turbo v6 from the tundra.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@RileyMonthule maybe your specific truck was 10k less but I just built a TRD OR on Toyota’s website that was $54k and didn’t even have the hybrid powertrain. A RR comes with factory lockers, 4Auto tcase, swaybar disconnect, a vastly better performing powertrain, Better suspension than the TRD Pro and is pretty much fully loaded for $56k I drove an almost fully loaded(minus moon roof) Colorado ZR2 in February that was $52k. Again, better powertrain, better suspension, 4Auto tcase, lockers etc that all rival the TRD Pro but for TRD OR money. Sorry, but their pricing sucks. And I don’t need convincing about turbo motors. I had an F150 Ecoboost for almost 10 years and have been yelling how great they are from the rooftops that entire time while all the Toyota folks suffered. I now own a 2018 LX570 and even the 5.7L lacks compared to my Ecoboost

[@MrCovert23]

Toyota is price gouging its most loyal customers. The most expensive midsize truck on the market should ONLY BE THE RAPTOR Ranger.

[@RileyMonthule]

@@MrCovert23 yeah fords known for making high quality vehicles

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@RileyMonthule Toyota’s recent track record isn’t good.

[@hoseman10]

I really do like my '24 TRD sport Tacoma. The performance is amazing compared to the 3rd generation sluggish v6. It passes and climbs hills like there is a bigger engine under the hood.

[@heiser_bill]

I'm way older than you, and agree with most of what you said. I shopped for a 3rd gen Tacoma, and drove one, and despite how popular they are, I wasn't crazy about it. I didn't fit well in it, and it felt sluggish even on flat roads. The 4th gen feels peppy, and I fit really well. Then there's the technology upgrades - I'm a huge fan vs stuff that was designed 8 years ago for the previous gen. I'm cautiously optimistic that it will stand up to the test of time, being the first model year and all. Yes, it's a ton of money - but as you explained, it's only a little ahead of inflation, and it's been modernized, so of course it costs more. For me the choice was clear. I also got the TRD Off-Road, but with the "TRD Upgrade Package" vs the "TRD Premium", so I don't have all the cameras, and a few other things, but it is still pretty great. BTW, can you share a link to the info you found about the new engine?

[@colbymag2053]

I also own a 24 TRD ORP and 100% agree. The people screaming into the ether about reliability are acting like you paid $54k for a used Toyota without a warranty and sparse appointments. The TRD ORP is a bonafide luxury 4x4 vehicle now. The only people who say otherwise are people who haven’t driven or owned them.

[@RileyMonthule]

Yup I’ve found the same. Haven’t met someone who’s test drove a 4g and didn’t love it yet.

[@travisgrant5536]

Or what have seen is most people can’t afford them are complaining about the cost. I gladly paid 58k for my fully decked out 24 off road premium. More options than the TRD PRO. Its amazing what you can afford when you don’t settle for minimum wage

[@RDRCS-Time]

Lov my 2024 trd or. Funny, all these people keep saying the turbo 4 is carp... the truck is not even a year old, so how could people possibly know if it will be reliable.

[@TheJoshuaborden]

tells us to love all the new tech and proceeds to complain about the constant beeping over and over.. hmmmm

[@RileyMonthule]

Yeah I mean it’s not black and white. Overall the tech is awesome and I use things like the 360 cams and drive assist every time I get in the truck. So far the beeping on trails is the only downside I’ve found and it can be fixed with a software update. That is a pretty dumb thing though. Idk why they approved the truck to beep like that in the off road modes.

[@punkt7752]

I got a TRD off road…I take it easy on the turbo and use the torque when I need it and I do oil changes every 3 months and take care of the oil, and let it warm up and cool down

[@Jaredius]

Yeah, just like inflation is down.

[@TheCreateOutdoors]

I've always loved the Tacoma, no matter the generation. Maybe I'll own one someday.

[@RileyMonthule]

Same here! Amazing trucks!

[@chrismcalister4428]

You're high 🤣

[@RileyMonthule]

Very high! That peak is just about 7k feet!

[@Fanotesemara]

Regardless, the pricing doesn’t meet where the base customers are financially - there is a disconnect. Toyota is in for some rude awakening. They might as well give it another name because this thing ain’t Tacoma.

[@RileyMonthule]

The new Tacomas sales have continued to rise and production increases while all the other trucks have dropped. They’re actually doing amazing right now.

[@k20z3allmotorFTW]

@@RileyMonthule lol really they can’t sell them at my dealer

[@gingerpetersondog]

I’m seeing 5k off MSRP, I think at 8k I may pull the trigger.

[@KTown_Painter]

Bought my 23 Tacoma Sport 4x2, upgraded Sport pig, upgraded audiopkg out the door for 43.4k

[@RyanLarivee]

I have a 24 manual offroad in Canada I paid 50,500 a 23 same spec was like 45-46 so its 4k more everything has gone up in price. If I build my spec on the US site its like 4k USD more than ours. I think the higher models have gone crazy though. A 23 Pro in Canada was 65 now its 84 so 19k in the diffrence and we pay 15 percent tax so thats about 22 850. This is my 6th Tacoma and I will say its the best looking,driving seating postion out of all of them. I traded an 18 Pro in and do wish I had that interior in my new one. 12k km and very happy overall.

[@justaname109]

Yes, it’s overpriced. A Colorado zr2 bison can be had for only 5k more than a stock trd off road and far more capable.

[@RileyMonthule]

A zr2 with the same features as my truck would be about 15k more than mine and for that extra money you’re getting a transmission that’s basically guaranteed to blow at 75k miles and an engine you’re lucky to get 150k miles with. Also on desert woops it’s more capable but pretty much the same capability other than that. Does look cool though.

[@justaname109]

@@RileyMonthule my wife’s cousin just bought a zr2 bison for 59k, that’s 5k more than your 54k TRD offroad. As far as the transmission goes, the 4th gen Tacoma has more issues transmission issues filed on the NHTSA than the zr2, so I’m not sure where the confidence to say it’s “guaranteed to blow at 75k miles” is coming from. Lastly, you suggest inflation is partially the cause of the massive price increases. If that’s the case, why weren’t the 22’ and 23’ Tacomas prices increased when inflation was much higher than the current 2.5%?

[@RyanLarivee]

Enjoy your trade in value

[@jaredmeche6325]

@@RileyMonthule ZR2 with same features as your truck plus stuff that you don't have is about $53k msrp. The blown trans at 75k and 150k motor stuff is just stuff toyota owners tell each other around a camp fire to make themselves feel better. The $47k TRD Offroad without upgrade packages is an absolute joke inside, and 100% toyota owner's fault for throwing money at toyota no matter what they give you. Little secret, you can get just about anything to 150k-200k miles with simply following proper maintenance and adjusting that schedule if you're actually doing truck stuff like off-roading and or towing. Did you even go drive a ZR2, Gladiator Rubicon, or Ranger Raptor before going with that TRD-Offroad? I actually did drive all of them. Your truck as spec'd should be about $48k at best. Is it a nice truck? yes, for sure. Is it competitive in regards to price to performance in the respective tier? Off by a mile.

[@johnsavoie3409]

Yeah it’s overpriced

[@RileyMonthule]

Good point

[@kylec9199]

By how much

[@johnsavoie3409]

@@kylec9199 14k

[@travisgrant5536]

Overpriced isn’t the same as out of your budget. 😂

[@travisgrant5536]

Overpriced isn’t the same as out of your budget 😂

[@Deshawnb13]

If they would add some back seat leg room and bring the msrp down a couple grand then it would be worth it to me.

[@RileyMonthule]

The back seat leg room and overall interior room is much improved over the 3rd gen. My 6,1'' friend who could barley ride in my friends 3rd gen for more than a short drive was amazed by the room in the back and had no problem back there on a longer trip. You can also get them pretty easy at below msrp it's just probably not going to be your home town dealer. The dealer in south lake tahoe has them 7% off msrp right now.

[@Jay-me7gw]

The 3rd Gen sucked from day one. It had nothing to do with it not keeping up with the times. I went to test drive all of the mid-sized trucks(because im not a nut swinging Toyota fanboi so I actually did my homework) in 2017 and the V6/6 speed was abysmal. I would have bought the Frontier with the old 4.0/5 speed over the Tacoma

[@DanG-q2m]

A whole video on being wrong. You paid up, own it.

[@shikcheese3234]

You don't think the item you spent way too much money on is overpriced? Shocker! Classic case of choice supportive bias.

[@RileyMonthule]

@@shikcheese3234 yeah this is why I tried to provide a lot of data in the video. I thought this before I bought the truck and the more I drove it the more I thought I should share my thought process.

[@josejoglar5887]

The 300,000 miles longevity of Toyota reputations is uncertain with new turbo engines. Look at the Tundra recalls? The TRD off road comes bare, you have to pay extra for simple things such as electronic seat adjustments, so it is in the 50s after the necessary packages and 55-59 K for a hybrid. There is a reason the dealers are giving discounts and zero percent interest rate on the SR5 and TRD off orads, they cannot sell them at regular prices. They are over priced for sure. Of course those are good trucks, but you dont get the same value as before. A Chevy Colorado ZR2 with 33 inch wheels, multimatic dampers, rock sliders, 8 speed transmission, disk brakes, skid plates, essentially the same features as the TRD pro for 50K and you can select options you may want or not. The Bison Package is better for off-roading, with the most underbody protection, biggest tires 35inch, and highest ground clearance starts at 60s.

[@miya7525]

The fully loaded 2023 Tacoma offroad with prem package was actually 48k so 6k would be the price difference but great points on the value getting the new gen

[@Jay-me7gw]

Well then the 2023 was overpriced too.

[@RileyMonthule]

Yeah it gets a little complicated as you go down the years as they did increase the price over time but it didn’t match inflation. It was more to keep margins in check after the pandemic. That’s the problem I faced when buying a new tack though 6k more for a much better truck. Now just to see how it holds up haha.

[@josejoglar5887]

It is over priced. Of course it is better than the last generation. Of course you get a better truck than prior. But the competition gives you all those new features for much less. A Chevy Colorado Zr2 compares with the TRD pro yet it is 17,000 less. The Ranger Raptor is a beast for 10k less.

[@mattandrickadventures8416]

Bro. Its way overpriced.....Boca lake 4 wheeling is awesome. Lol

[@jacobalbright5963]

I can’t justify paying that price when you never know when it’s gonna be your trucks last day, compared to the bulletproof 3rd 6 cylinder

[@jetfuelg4083]

I bought my first new truck a 2006 Ram Cummins 2500 Megacab for 36,000. $41,116 OTD lol

[@HeyBabyPod]

Wow... the poors are showing strong in your comments! LOL. Great breakdown! Can't wait for my Trailhunter to arrive!

[@vikingguy2434]

I wouldn’t say poor nobody stupid to pay tonka toy prices…. 😂 That’s cute my 2024 Raptor R will eat those for a snack…😂😂 nice 700 hp keep your toy…😂

[@troytroy3066]

The 2024 Tacoma is targeted toward Millennials the third gen is for the old school people who want reliability and a great truck that's going to last for years. I am a proud owner of the 2022 TRD Off Road long bed. I really hope the 2024's last without any further issues. And yes, they are definitely overpriced. 4 cylinder turbo engines are inevitable for every manufacturer in the near future. To each his or her own, right? Enjoy your truck young man.

[@JDMEXforme]

You must mean Gen Z which comes after Millennials. Millennials love oldschool. Gen Z loves all the electric problems high insurance rates and high car payments they also can't Drive. Most of the time.

[@RileyMonthule]

Yeah no doubt the 3rd gen is arguably the best mid size truck ever made with its proven reliability and endless parts support. There’s a reason it’s dominated the segment forever even with lacking features. The 4th gen will probably have more issues. That’s just how it goes in the first couple years launching a new gen vehicle but overall I think Toyota did an amazing job.

[@av8ferg237]

Look at the resale of the 24’…..its really bad. I’m sure all the Tundra owners waiting for engines agree with you.

[@amador4417]

Valid points, they are still overpriced the dealership near me had a TRD OR for 71k thats overpriced for an OR just saying. I might sound biased but I prefer the 3rd gen a lot more. Sure it's sluggish compared to the 4th gen but was esily fixed with the OTT tune.

[@cmc7106]

Finally, someone is talking sense!! Thank you . I am really enjoying my 2024 Tacoma!

[@Jay-me7gw]

He's making excuses. The truck might be nicer than the 3rd gen, but that was a pretty low bar. At the end of the day, the Tacoma is priced higher than the competitors by a good amount.

[@RileyMonthule]

@@Jay-me7gwI mean it’s much better than the competitors who are all super old generations.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@RileyMonthule what? The frontier is new as of 2022, the Ranger is new for 2024, and the Colorado/Canyon was new in 2023.

[@k20z3allmotorFTW]

@@RileyMonthule by your logic yes the new model is light years better, Toyota scammed everyone making the same truck from 2005-2023 and 3rd gens were over priced anyway. Now u justify this truck that’s basically shittier than a Colorado and ranger as valuable at 55k 🤡 the engine uses a antiquated vacuum wastgate the transmission is behind the competitors with a 8 speed not to mention the failures. U have to pay for features like remote start and agree to be monitored. Truck is great at 10k what the sticker is trim to trim

[@BrandonBaecker]

If only it had bump stops, and the same reliability, and wasn't made in Mexico. I don't even mind the turbo 4 and hybrid 4 engines (the old engine/transmission combo was a slow old dog), and I love the new tech, but the issues they've already had on the truck so far are troubling. The shock mount issue is just silly. Also, inflation yes, but their manufacturing costs have decreased by moving production to Mexico. The only way you can truly compare is to see Toyota's profit per Tacoma with 3rd gen vs 4th gen, and as far as I know, Toyota doesn't publish those numbers. As for the warranty, unless you buy an extended warranty, the Tacoma warranty is only 3 yr/36,000 mi basic, 5 yr/60,000 mi powertrain, so far from a decade.

[@evo1video]

Bro made a whole video trying to convince himself that he didn't over spend. 😂 Smart video for engagement though probably to help pay for the overpriced truck 😂

[@toulor7100]

lol. 54k for a small truck. It is way overpriced 😂

[@RileyMonthule]

@@toulor7100 think you missed the point. That’s what the Tacoma has basically always cost.

[@plaisbois951]

Every car is overpriced today. Just look at some 1500 pickups are going for 100k plus!

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

that's a lot of talk from someone with no bumpstops and a plastic front diff.

[@RileyMonthule]

It has bump stops and a regular metal front differential?

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

@RileyMonthule no bump stops in the front my friend and the plastic comment was a joke about the durability. I hope it works out well for you l

[@RDRCS-Time]

The bumpstops are built into the shock itself. I will say, however, they should have used a stronger cap to prevent it from breaking through the top of the shock mount.

[@rocinblues]

Yeah it is ! A MIM profit hound for Toyota, amazing you'll get 125k (NOT 150 miles) at best on that turbo and then have to pay an additional $3500+ to replace. Sorry, go buy a 4Runner before the trash that in 25' with a turbo and save yourself a bundle or buy a pre turbo Tacoma. Paying over $55K+ for a 4 cylinder MIM is a serious waste of money.

[@59StratCat13]

Nissan Pro 4x. You can pick one up, loaded, for $40,000.... with a normally aspirated V6. Taco's lost their 'Mojo' with this cheap looking POS. I love my 2018 Taco TRD-off road that I got with many extras NEW for $34,000. (& I will keep forever !!!).

[@eversurf5]

Nice gaslighting 🎉

[@SDpapa]

No dealer in the states is selling tacomas at or below MSRP. So yes, it is overpriced by a long mile. Since when is normal to pay over $70K for a PRO and Trailhunter? This video is biased, probably sponsored by toyota. Lastly, you the only one praising a 4 cylinder turbo

[@colbymag2053]

You're talking about the top models, so let's compare: Since when does a loaded VW Golf push $50k? Since when does a loaded Bronco sport push $50k? Why does Jeep charge upwards of $80-100k for Wranglers (yes, even the V6 and turbo-4 models get well into the 70s and 80s when loaded)? These arguments are nil when the rest of the market is following suit. Is the TRD Pro too rich for my (and most everyone else's) blood? Yes. At that price point I would be looking at F150 Raptors or Tremors, not Ranger Raptors. The 3.5EB has been a proven engine for over a decade. The 3.0 in the RR is still new kid on the block. Newer than Toyotas 2.4T (been used in Lexus for years). The interior amenities and build quality blows the RR out of the water, and has a more reputable engine and brand backing it. Moreover, The 2023 model year Tacomas, similarly trimmed (not equipped bc they were sparse in the 3rd gens) were still pushing close to $50k for a sluggish engine, uncomfortable and lacking interior, and leaf springs. The TRD models with the premium package (non-hybrids) blow previous gens out of the water in value and performance for only $4k more than the 3rd gen TRD Pro. The only thing legacy models have going for them is reliability in these comparisons. If that's the only thing you care about, then stop paying attention for 5 years and check back on these new platforms then. Edit: also, you're lying. I bought my 4th gen at MSRP for a truck just like Riley's. There are plenty of examples out there of people buying at or below MSRP. You are just spewing bs.

[@mrnicewtf8301]

@@colbymag2053 well said man you are telling true facts. I personally think people have to start educating themselves more on things they really don’t know much about. 😎👍🏽

[@TheJoshuaborden]

wooo, true fan .

[@usafwx01]

Clearly you are not a true Toyota or Tacoma enthusiast / purist, everything you highlight is exactly what many of us didnt want or asked for. All those engine specs you pointed out are to handle the increased stress of the turbo (refer to the care car nut's last video on turbos). And your extended warranty is great and all until you are out your truck for 30 days for a major repair that is put back together by some tech at the dealer (see the tundra guys) and ya that engine too was supposedly "stronger" in design. Its not just price it's price with decreased reliability and poor build quality (bad transmissions already, panel gaps, top hat failures, etc.). Resale is also terrible on this gen, its not a smash hit by any means, there's a reason you don't see many of them outside the fanboy areas of CA, CO and HI, and yes the lots dont have tons of them by design.

[@cobywoby7781]

great point, ngl i was one of the people that thought it was a little more pricy than it should be, but when you put it like that i guess it could be worth it especially compared to other new cars

[@oscarposada6144]

Ok fan boy. This 4 cylinder turbo small truck is WAY WAY over priced. Adding the fact that it has a bad transmission, a shock absorber that will break through the top, fit and finish problems. I'll keep my 2021 4runner. Forget about it.

[@RileyMonthule]

The transmissions had a debris manufacturing issue in the first 12k trucks made and it’s been noted and any trucks affected will be fixed. The top hat breaking was on one truck to date but that’s just the kinda issues you’re gonna get with a first gen vehicle. You’re 4 runner had a host of similar problems when it came out. Couple years down the line Toyota fixes everything and the vehicles are bulletproof from there. Same will go for the new taco.

[@dudemcknight7464]

Coping…

[@mikos2k1]

No, should be a v6 turbo and maybe will justify the price. Car is manufactured in Mexico for cheap labors. Over priced

[@RileyMonthule]

I much prefer the I4 turbo. Way simpler, easy to work on and has fantastic performance for this size truck. Truck seems to be well made so far. We’ll see how it holds up over the long term though.

[@imagemkv]

it is overpriced, actually this Tacoma is cheaper to build than the previous one. Since the Tacoma production is now mainly in the mexico plant and not in texas. If you watch car care nut's review you will see that the QC in the TRD Pro has plummeted!

[@jaysontoddjoker2402]

get a pro 4x instead comment section

[@josejoglar5887]

It is over priced. Of course it is better than the last generation. Of course you get a better truck than prior. But the competition gives you all those new features for much less. A Chevy Colorado Zr2 compares with the TRD pro yet it is 17,000 less. The Ranger Raptor is a beast for 10k less.

[@RileyMonthule]

@@josejoglar5887 the trd pro comes fully loaded so you have to compare the fully loaded versions of those trucks. A fully loaded zr2 is more than a trd pro - www.championchevroletreno.com/vehicledetailsvin.aspx?vin=1GCPTFEK9R1240805&store=gmps-champion-reno&ddcref=fluency&tcdcmpid=2040449&tcdadid=&tcdkwid=&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAC_sqhnCjVKijmfQnMkkFOQQkqF8I&gclid=CjwKCAjwgfm3BhBeEiwAFfxrGx79h3gjsJqAT8emsWbJMh-DCYWk3FUbv3hyH0dlSTAS4_F-iojikRoC-0AQAvD_BwE - and so is a 2024 ranger raptor - www.corwinfordreno.com/inventory/new-2024-ford-ranger-raptor-4wd-4d-crew-cab-1fter4lr1rle37921/?store=52231&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAA9TYi3-1GyIq5wQ0kOuEkNkRB0x93&gclid=CjwKCAjwgfm3BhBeEiwAFfxrG_qWy-M1vmPXgUpy4Ukgg41fOc2lrI1wFlx0DlRJFweL_dN4eKzT4hoCfy4QAvD_BwE - And here’s a trd pro - www.truecar.com/vehicle-match/3TYLC5LN3RT009508/?store=1780&(New)_(VLA)_Toyota_(PhaseP)_PPS_Pmax_test=Build_Flow_Feed&device=m&adpos=&adtype=pla&merchantID=415297542&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADsqZX7RBO9YLhCEY5v9w4HYTXo3F&gclid=CjwKCAjwgfm3BhBeEiwAFfxrG2wjbBtdZhGoItijLGFHzoYHCN28S6Wd1LRYzz5C5wAUz0qsI3NUzBoCeR8QAvD_BwE And you’re getting a truck that’ll actually last. The zr2 and raptor and sweet and fun trucks but struggle to make it past 100k miles and have terrible resale.

[@josejoglar5887]

@@RileyMonthule I dont think so. The Zr2 Bison is way more than TRD pro. I got my ZR2 for 48K. The starndard Zr2 competes with TRD pro. The one you mention is a Bison package which is way too much