Is the 997 really the best used Porsche?

Porsche 911, buying a used Porsche, Porsche 997, what is the best used Porsche? the most car you can buy for 50k

[@dapinkcat]

I bought my 911 CSC (997.2) with 26k, today it looks even better after 84k miles. I drive it almost daily, take it to 150 often, and have zero problems. I was an M3 guy until my first test drive. I pulled over and told the dude "I'm fucking emotional".... he said let's try Sport Plus. That was it.... I'll never drive anything else. Ever. You chose right!

[@CK-yl9pl]

The 997 is a future collectors car, collectors in England are snapping up the manual gear box forcing me to double up and buy before it becomes too sought after like the 993. Nice vid.

[@gboules]

Excellent video! I'm onto my 4th 911 and 5th Porsche. I've purchased other cars (BMW M4, Audi S5, Mustang GT) over the last 15 years and I can tell you, I will never go back to another. I love my 2011 manual 997.2 Carrera 4S (black/black) and will never stray again!! I've driven the 991s and they are far too bloated and I cannot stand electronic steering. I don't care how sensitive they make it, it just doesn't feel the same. Cheers brother!

[@EtonieE25]

Hey Graham can l ask why the Gen2 C4S rather than a C2S or just the normal Carrera please? I ask as looking to buy but not sure which model n I’m at the same point as u r in life n wen uve been bitten by that 911 bug there’s no going back ah! It’s like the whore of cars man, one suck n ur hooked! Loooool! I also agree the 991 is like the skinny bird whose put on a bitta weight on her arse....it just don’t work! John

[@ownsnine]

I agree I paid 46k for my 05 Black 997 S delivered from New York, technically Manhattan to California… love the car well worth the money…

[@rationalthinker9181]

I just got back from the dealership with my 997.2 C4S that I have owned for 5 years I went there to look at a 991.1 C2s trade in etc. While there I spoke to them because I noticed no other 997's for sale I asked why ? the answer is nobody is selling their cars. Another plus is they are the most reliable 911 because of the analog interface, the 991.1 while being mechanically very strong the electronics are def more temperamental. The 997 especially the 997.2 is still a relevant and sought after car. The outcome is that I decided the 991.1 wasn't worth the money to change and my 997 still resides in my garage.

[@greghilinski6571]

Just picked up a 2006 997 and love it. Pristine condition and runs awesome. For $50k where are you going to fid a car with 4.5 0 to 60 and 177 mph top speed and fantastic handling. Considered a new one and passed because of the digital nature. Great car.

[@radicalrobason]

David - Totally Agree with you on the Value/Fun proposition. I picked up a 07 Targa 4S with Chrono in Guards Red out of Texas last year. The Car had all of the tasteful mods I wanted (FabSpeed Exhaust, FabSpeed Intake, and Programming, Bilsteins, HKS Sway Bars, HKS Spacers with longer Bolts and the much desired Turbo Wheels) and it is a dream to drive and a Freight Train when you open it up!!! It is well over 400hp now and I love the 6 speed transmission. As it turns out my car is a Launch Car and 1 of 10 in Guards Red in the Targa 4s configuration. So nothing wrong with instant rarity to help retain resale vlaue. I love the targa features and all of the things that make it unique to a Carrera (opening rear glass, Behind rear seats storage, Chrome trim, etc...) As for the 4s bodywork....Who doesn't like the Widebody Right?!?! The AWD 4s is amazing in all weather including dry and is way more planted than the rwd Carreras I have driven. Needless to say I am elated to own this timeless classic!!!!

[@jjacola]

I have three cars that are 2006 and 2007.Agree those years are perfect analogue to digital mix. I have the new Mercedes 580 electric as well. That mid 2000 range was perfect. My 997.1 I love!

[@ianmartin6209]

Made the same decision myself, and ended up with a used 997.2 C2 in preference to buying new. It still looks and drives like it left the factory yesterday. 997's are the sweet spot.

[@soyabean911]

Hi Ian, and with the 997.2 car you have less engine reliability concerns as they don't appear to have the score piston liner issue which is not uncommon on the 3.6 & 3.8 997.1 cars. That's the model I would choose but they have a heafty price premium over the 997.1 cars which I imagine is because of the engine improvements.

[@erickessler6094]

Well said David, I fully agree based on my experiences with my 911's... When I purchased my 1st 911 in 1991, a 6 yr old 911 Carrera Targa, I purchased, kept it for 6 yrs, loved, cared, drove almost daily, took it regularly to the track and sold it 6+ yrs later for the EXACT same price $21,000 I paid, yeah I did a clutch as the lady was rough on it. If I owned it still, it My next 911 will likely be the 2011/12 997.2 Carrera S or maybe ... maybe Carrera GTS, Only because the new 991 Targa is too much of a price reach for me. Brother, your reasonings are spot on. UT what if... If I still owned my Grand Prix White with blue leather interior... today ... here is today's NADA value in Virgina: Low retail -$31,800 Average- $41,500 High retail - $68,200 Fair to say... $55K the way a good 911 lover would care for the car as I did. Yeah I still love that Targa and would again own a Targa if the 997 were a true Targa like the new 991. WHY did I sell that original beauty? I was on the track teaching alot for the local PCA Club and the race track ... and needed a safer track focused coupe for the speeds I enjoyed. Enjoy your sweet 997 Cheers!

[@essel23fly]

The 997 is the last 911 to have the true classic proportions of the 911 and still be analog. It’s a sweet spot between the dreaded 996 and the newer 911s that are gigantic and heavier.

[@Audidude]

LOL, "dreaded 996". You've been reading Internet hysteria too much. The differences between 996 and 997.1 are largely cosmetic. The "dreaded" problems are the same. They are also addressable (IMS), or very rare (bore scoring). It ain't the only Porsche engine to have potential issues. All of the things mentioned here with regard to handling, performance and driver enjoyment apply equally to the 996 at a lower price point. Both great cars. Save some money and go 996, but if you're going to spend much more definitely go for the 997.2 with the direct injection engine which addresses the concerns over the M96 in the 997.1, 996,Cayman and Boxster.

[@stuffa01]

I Totally Agree. I've owned 2 Air cooled 911s. 1985 and a 1989 Targa. when driving the 997.1 it has the same general feel of driving a classic air cooled Porsche 911. just a bit more refined. in a good way. I was pleasantly surprised. Also living in Arizona, a HUGE HUGE advantage to the 997 is an A/C that acutely works.

[@kalidmajid]

I have owned lots of cars and keep going back to 911 997. The car looks good drives great and performs very well. I sold my last one to get a new Mercedes convertible and honestly I hated selling my car . I lost 7k in 1 year on the Mercedes and I regretted It. Now back to a 997 again and I am very happy low mileage well looked after will work wonders for you and they are not expensive to maintain.

[@lollerberry]

Couple of years later... That 50K seems like a damn good deal now, doesn't it? :)

[@Sooopa_Doopa]

997 C2 and the E9x M3 hands down are the best cars from "that era"

[@garylodge9176]

You are so right. It is the last thoroughbred Porsche. The 991 is a Volkswagen. I have a 997 and the steering and handling is unbelievable and at speed even better. Guaranteed smiles for miles. I have the same issues of trying not to add miles,however, once behind the wheel, very difficult to not keep driving.

[@tonyaguirre8316]

Nice job David. I have a 05 997.1 and drive it every day.

[@hansschweikert9153]

Any IMS concerns?

[@adlern]

So, have the engine exploded yet?

[@cliffcook1681]

I just purchased my first Porsche and it's a 997. It's being transported to me right now from the east coast. Great thoughts on the car. Your approach was just like mine. I was able to find a Carmona Red C2S Coupe, which I think adds to the car's value as it is a pretty rare color. I'm very excited to enjoy the car.

[@pilotflyguy]

Bought a 2009 997 Turbo Cabrio 6 spd a few years ago (FabSpeed Exhaust and a tune). Like you said I did my research and the 997 just stood out as the sweet spot. Now, I did stretch my budget with the turbo but wow, its such a good car. Last year of the Metzger but with the modern interior. Love the car, do all my own maintenance and its been incredibly reliable. In fact, the reliability and maintenance requirements have been way better than my wife's 2015 Subie STI.

[@daviddwane1771]

I’ve had mine for seven years, eight driving seasons, and the only reason it’s been at a shop was to check a very minor oil leak which turned out to just be a little oil coming out from around some bolts near the rear main seal so I changed that at the same time. Very pleasantly surprised by the reliability and low maintenance costs. Enjoy the turbo 👍🏻.

[@TonyAguirreJazz]

I picked up a 997.1 and it's very reliable. Audi's and BMW's are unpredictable and Audi has that dreaded timing chain issue. Love my 997

[@soyabean911]

Hi Tony, agreed the 997 is a great car but there are many 997.1 cars atleast in the UK requiring an engine rebuilds due to score piston liner issue which costs circa 8-10k to rebuild. Understand the engine reliability issues were much improved on the 997.2 cars but you pay a premium for that.

[@MichaelBath]

Great video David. I went through the same process. The 997 has so much hidden value!

[@billmontgomery6675]

Great video, with good common sense advice. I have a 2015 BMW M235i and have been thinking about what to replace it with, and have been contemplating a Porsche 997. The F22 has been absolutely great, but always loved the look of a 911. I haven't driven one yet though, still in investigating/research mode. Fall is almost here, so I wouldn't be doing anything until at least sometime next year, but really enjoyed your take on owning a 997!

[@thomashelm6931]

I, currently, have a 335i, 2015. I love the car but I like a 997 better.

[@skithewhitestuff]

I defiantly agree with you about the older models being more analogue. I have a Boxster 986 3.2S, I do all the service and maintenance work on it myself, that sort of thing isn’t possible to do on newer models. As for as your question is concerned, I would buy an older Porsche every time.

[@colesaturday5616]

Just made same choice and loving every second. I bought a 2006 C2S and its my new daily. So much better than the alternatives in my opinion. Camero, Mustang, Dodge ... there are 7 at every light. 977 is beautiful and strong

[@f.richman1665]

Can only agree 100% to all of your considerations you made. One topic you missed is - at least on the German autobahn - nearly everybody is moving way the left lane to allow Porsches to speed up ( in contrast to eg silly AMG Mercedes, Audi RS, etc). Drive a 997.1 here in Hamburg, Germany

[@andytaylor2321]

Just purchased a low mileage 2011 C4S. I’m totally impressed, styling is spot on, performance is just right, the ride is pure enjoyment. I’m planning on a long affair with this one:)

[@daviddwane1771]

Great choice. Enjoy 😊

[@TheStringBreaker]

That’s a neat looking spec ! 997.2 (2007+) / 997.2 with tan interior would be the car to go with !

[@foesfly3047]

Good points that I relate to very well. I hope I can afford a 2009 to 2012, 997.2 within the next year. I want the improved power of the updated engine with direct injection and higher compression. And although I prefer the manual transmission, if a good value appeared that had the PDK, that would be ok too. It also seems like the interior, especially information/entertainment features are evolved to almost current state compared to other interesting but affordable new cars. Thanks for sharing your experience and perspective.

[@OIOnaut]

Hi David. Spot ON! Also the 911_997 is the most reliable used car in Tüv tests. So you most likely do not need the warranty. I have driven over 100000 km in a 930 and there was a load of small issues and 150000km in a 997 with no major issues. I Drive the 997 daily, in snow at winter and on track in summer. With your budget I would buy another 997 :)

[@daviddwane1771]

vasenpolvi thanks. Reliability is very high on my list of priorities. Happy motoring.

[@charlie-ez-brown]

Great Vid, I have a 997.2 and I went thru the same process, right on the money! As far as I am concerned. Thanks

[@Gvardia9]

Just discovered your channel! Very much in agreement. Got the 2006 997 Cabrio, glad I didn't touch a BMW, Corvette or any AMG.... Off to catch up on your vids.

[@barryadl]

I fully agree. I love my 2007 C4S. 911's are like puppies. There all great.

[@adlern]

Until the engine break down - not if, but when.

[@georgeschinas3229]

Barry Adler I love my too 2006 C4S 6sp cabrio. Che is beauty !

[@michaelbender1226]

Sondre Adler Guriby you have absolutely no Plan, only bla bla bla..

[@lwrcbcm8954]

The Chicago region Porsche club has recently presented an article stating the 997 is just about done depreciating FYI. Frankly, I think the 997 is an awesome gen especially the 997.2.

[@daviddwane1771]

LWRC BCM I have noticed here in Canada that they have already been appreciating for a few years. This started with the Canadian dollar losing value to the US dollar but now it’s straight up going up in value.

[@rudolphal3]

I have a 1985 911 daily driver cars were meant to be driven no fun spending a lot of money to just seat and look pretty great video

[@barkingshark6413]

That’s my thoughts. I’m buying one for my portfolio. Now I invest in Tech, BioTech, Healthcare, Storage Spaces and a 2012 997.

[@bradw922]

Great video topic. I picked up a CPO Cayman 981S for about that same money and I got almost 4 years of CPO warranty coverage. Now, it is not a 911 and it has PDK and I do always wonder if I would have liked a 997 with 6 speed. I do agree with you that there is something timeless and wonderful about the looks and analog qualities of a 997

[@AhmetAtalayOfficial]

Amazing choice considering the brand new alternatives. I mean... Nissan 360 VS Porsche 911. does not even sound right. Lol

[@user-qc6zm3sw4t]

Your 100% right about the 997

[@jonathanl2748]

I’ve ever bought a new car as I cannot take off my business hat. Makes little sense to buy new. And yes, I am planning on buying a 997.2 CS. They’re also fairly easy to do brake jobs and oil changes yourself, thereby keeping costs down. Only negative I can see is going through tires fairly fast - and those Michelin Sport Pilots ain’t cheap.

[@speedcanada1]

Great video, David - I bought my 2009 Carrera S around the same time as you bought your car! I've put 20K+ kms on it since, and use it as a daily driver in the summer. I also do most maintenance myself. I can't wait to get the car unwrapped again for the 2018 season!

[@daviddwane1771]

speedcanada1 I am counting the days too!

[@nealweeks6632]

Very helpful and interesting. Just now looking into them and it just seems fairly soon here the 997 will turn into a collectable car like the 911 sc and Carrera, 1984-1988.

[@ganthrithor]

While the 997 has lots of computers, it's the last 911 that feels like a 911 to drive. The front end still bobbles around, it still likes to understeer if you don't work the pedals properly going into a corner. The 991 is a "better" car for sure, but it doesn't drive like the previous 911s-- the front end feels totally locked down and the driver aids have evolved to the point where you just mat the throttle, turn the wheel to go where you want, and the car does it. The 991 also feels gigantic on the road compared to the 997, which it is: the new car is bigger and has a longer wheelbase. The rear-wheel steering means the car still feels nimble in spite of the wheelbase change, but it's hard to hide the overall larger dimensions of the body. Driving a 991 GT3 I always felt much more nervous about dragging an inside rear wheel over the apex of a corner on small back roads than I do in my 997... the 997 just fits better on the kinds of small, curvy roads I enjoy driving. I'm just sad that people have gone ape over the 997 GT3s (despite the 991.2 now being available with a stick). I was really hoping that the availability of a faster / objectively-superior GT3 with a third pedal would've dropped 997 GT3 prices a bit (they were $80-90k cars when I last looked a year or so ago), but instead they seem to have surged up towards $120k... back to their original MSRPs. Crazy. I guess a lot of people agree about the 997 being a more rewarding road car.

[@daviddwane1771]

Julian B nice to hear from someone who has a lot of first hand experiences with a variety of these cars.

[@juhakivekas2175]

Certainly 997 Carrera is a lot of car for the price you can get one. I did not quite have that money. So I took a 996 which is pretty much the same car but obviously older (yeah, yeah, yeah IMS etc.) Ultimately the point is that 911, regardless of the year model, is the most fun car there is and you just got to choose by the thickness of your wallet. For 50 000 Canadian dollars ... I'd probably go for a 996 Turbo with sensible mileage. Alternatively I could go for a 997 Carrera (not S). If I had the money for anything - even or 2.7 Carrera RS I'd opt for 996 GT3 RS. I am simply too big to fit in an air cooled : /

[@soyabean911]

Hi Juha, may I enquire why you'd chose the non S version of the 997? From what I've read there are a lot less of them around as they were much the less desirable model car, both new and used.

[@bsfunk44]

Looking at buying a 997, thanks for your insight.

[@rolandkier2864]

I am selling my 997 s - atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/d/2006-porsche-911-carrera/6774455634.html

[@a.j.manville7042]

Appreciate your comments, hope to own one soon.....

[@Scorpio1075]

I agree with you that the early 2000s was a good blend of technology and driver interaction. Manual transmission and NA engines are wonderful together, even if PDK and turbo engines are faster.

[@Scorpio1075]

Problem is turbo lag, if I have a manual I want that instant throttle response of an NA engine. Also, and NA engine sounds better. Not saying you're wrong about the benefits of low end torque, but is that benefit worth the tradeoffs.

[@michaelhall1315]

Appreciation and depreciation value over time...you're absolutely right. Thank you.

[@mstohler3804]

You are absolute right. I also bought an 997 4S year 2010. Maybe my last petroleum car.... The next one could be an electric vehicle like the new Jaguar ipace.

[@siobhantowell6083]

Hey David, I am hoping to get a 997 911 for all of the reasons you have stated. A gen 2 Carrera 3.6 manual with chrono and PSE would be ideal because in my opinion it would be the best "drivers car" and value for money. Here in England I would have to pay around £40,000 to get a good one with the right history and mileage. Great video, no BS and from the heart, thanks.

[@daviddwane1771]

Siobhan Towell I am absolutely positive you will love it. I have not yet had a single moment of regret with mine. Good luck in your search.

[@Ztandard32]

I bought a gen 2 3.6 in the UK a couple of weeks ago and love it. I ended up getting a PDK which surprised me, but it is so smooth and I couldn't compete with the gear change if it was manual. I think the sports chrono is definitely a good think to have. Perhaps worth trying the PDK to rule it out. Either way, it's a amazing car. Good video too. Thanks

[@siobhantowell6083]

Thanks, btw, this is my wife's KZbin account hence "Siobhan" lol. I am Mike Towell. I have driven a new 991 911 C4S with PDK at my local Porsche dealership and it was utterly amazing. Too amazing Infact. The car was just laughing at me until I was into triple figure mph which is impressive but not necessarily fun if you know what I mean. Something that requires a little more skill at a little less mph is what I am after.

[@siobhantowell6083]

Hi, I have noticed that there is much more choice for £40,000 if you go for a gen 1 997 like yours. Makes sense right. I have watched all the videos about the different types of IMS bearings fitted to the 996 and gen 1 997. This includes the cars with replacement engines from Porsche due to failure. It seems that the three different types of bearing can all fail and the exact type fitted can be a grey area for certain years. What are your thoughts on this prickly subject ?

[@vadedrs7639]

Siobhan Towell any issues since owning?

[@melp1088]

With a $50cad budget i would look into 997 as well and possibly a 987.2. As much as id like to own a 997, i find the 987 as the better looking and better handling car. So with my lower budget, i bought a 987.1 a month ago and im enjoying everything about it.

[@lamontcranston7422]

I think you made a great call. If I were to buy a new car for that money I'd would seriously consider either a VW Arteon R or a Genisis G70 or 80.

[@AhmetAtalayOfficial]

Check out the short film “the cure” I directed. Starring Porsche 997 in on my channel.

[@hodaka07]

Hello I also live in Canada and am looking at a 997 as a new car, and I own a 440i grand coupe.

[@betster28]

With $50,000 I would buy a 2008 Cayman S and a 2008 Mazda CX-7 for winter. Then spend the rest on Dairy Queen with my buddy.

[@JonD2024a]

You will then need to explain to people why didn't you buy a 911

[@rousseau327]

@@JonD2024a Because he wanted Dairy Queen

[@ProfessionalFixologist]

Good choice! I spent $19k on a 2009 987.2 Cayman and $3k on a 2006 Honda Element and find the combination perfect.

[@neill9614]

Spot on! Similar here in the UK, fantastic cars and brilliant value! I went from new a 420d M Sport Grand Coupe to a 2010 C4S having dismissed a new M4 after years of being burned on depreciation. Now I have the 997 I would struggle to justify the expense of trading up to a 991 because the value proposition of the 997 is that good, IMHO ;)

[@perolito83]

What are the running costs for your car per year? (approx)

[@neill9614]

Hi, Tax £500 insurance £450 per year. Servicing is every 2 years but as I have only had the car 14 months all I have done is had a mid-service oil change done at 12 months for £150. Car is good on fuel with a 6k miles average of 25 mpg, that's a mix of driving with over 30mpg on long runs. Porsche Warranty (included in sale from OPC) has saved me some headache and cost and that runs out end of 2018. It will be about £2k for another 2 years if i decide to renew it which I probably will at the same time I do the service which will be about £600. With tyres and bits I guess the car will cost me around £3k excluding fuel in the first 2 years. From a cost of ownership perspective (including depreciation etc) it's a massive saving against what the new BMW cost me to own in the 2 years previous! Hope that helps.

[@perolito83]

That's really not bad at all! It really makes no sense to buy a new car.

[@charleschowck]

Very practical advice. Thx

[@space_114v2]

David , Thx , I am looking at a few 2007 C4s cars currently .. I may settle on one just for the fact that I can get clean one for less than 50k (same situation as yourself) I will just play it safe and get an inspection prior to purchase to rule out the IMS and more importantly the cylinder scoring potential on the M97's . You are correct that the IMS issue did improve as the years went on but the scoring issue is my major concern especially as it is more prone on the 3.8 models. I checked out 5 2007 3.8 911's and 2 had engine replacements due to it .... Wish me Luck !!

[@daviddwane1771]

I did hear about the 3.8 issue but I have the 3.6 so I didn't look into it too much. I have not had a single regret since buying mine (other than I should have done it earlier). Good luck and let me know what happens.

[@cintra2]

IMS issues come from 996 with 3.6l, it has affected the 997 2004-2005 with 3.6, the 3.8 wasn't affected with this issues, for 992.2 no issues at all at this moment.

[@nfexec1312]

As I'm sure you and your viewers know, that in early 2022, the price of the 997s have gotten silly high. Right now is NOT a good time to buy a used Porsche - or just about any used vehicle unless you're getting a killer deal on a trade. Even then.... Best to wait for prices to get back to a sensible level.

[@daviddwane1771]

I’m very happy that I bought mine at the bottom of the market. I don’t think we will ever see prices so low on these again.

[@ForgetfulFoot]

I would love to own a 997.2 911 in the future. I recently got into a 987.2 Cayman with 20000Kms on it for $55000 AUD ($40000 usd). A similar used 997.2 Carrera S is around $160000 AUD ($117000 USD) in Australia with not many options. I am not sure how this compares to the local US or UK prices. Regardless, Porsche made great cars in this period.

[@K1dPhresh1]

I agree with your logic 100%. I’d like to have a 997.2 for the updated PCM, LED lighting, DFI, and most importantly no IMS. But other than that, perfect car for $50K, if you can find the right combo.

[@crimson888]

Good video..honest and accurate. Im thinking of picking up a 2007 997 Turbo my dream car ever sine i was a kid - unfortunately its automatic but Im in love with the car - worried about the warranty (has low miles 12k but still a concern) long term I think you are right - the value proposition is there and the depreciation curve is flat and 997 is much more of a purists car then the 991 in my opinion.

[@Audidude]

Mezger. Way to go! Did you get it?

[@ryanmiddleton2431]

I bought a BMW e30 for the reasons you have stated. I agree, would never buy brand new, it really is like throwing money down the drain (unless you buy wisely - e.g BMW 1M). I would love a 911 and my budget is around the 996 or 997 range. They are beautiful cars, but would have to get rid of the E30 😞

[@daviddwane1771]

Ryan Middleton Actually my other car is an e90, great car too.

[@hansschweikert9153]

Long live the e30's!!!

[@michaelbender1226]

Ryan Middleton keep the E30 👍

[@williamjackson5357]

Keep the bmer and get the Porsche you want, if your budget allows, I did and never looked back or doubted myself!

[@CarlosTorresPR]

Got a 2004 C4S saved $20k ... couldn't be happier..

[@dougiestewart7657]

Well you don't really lose money my uncle bought one for around £20k eng and did it up for about £30k and someone wanted to buy his car for£80k !

[@jackkallemdjian3945]

Do your homework get the car checked by a specialist (not your mate) by the best you can afford always warm up the engine before revving past three thousand rpm chànge the oil every year Mobil 5/40 is good keep the rads clear of debris tiptronic has centre rad, and have an rpm range read out anything outside range one has been over revved. Enjoy.

[@stopmyforeclosure101]

Hi David, cool vids, like them a bunch I wish you had more of them Lol Anyway I totally agree with you the 997 is the best money for any 911 right now especially on the Gen 2 models. What are the surprises if any, you ran into as far as maintenance with your car you have not disclosed yet? What are your plans with this car? Are you on the look up for any GT3's at all? If money was no object which 911 model would you buy today? Mine would be a 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 :))

[@daviddwane1771]

JEAN-JACQUES DEGE I have had fantastic luck with mine so far. I’ve driven it for 3 full driving seasons and so far not a single issue. The only money I have put in it involuntarily has been a new set of rear tires. If money were no object I might go for the 991 gt2 RS. If I were given a 911 that I then had to keep and maintain I would get a 2011 gts. My plan this season is to unwrap it in the spring, then wrap it satin grey this summer.

[@gentle2018]

We had one too and loved it! 😊

[@jackychou3288]

I totally agreed with you!

[@bellrobert1978]

I've come to the same conclusion. I just hope I can get mine before everyone else has the same conclusion. I have a house to renovate so i'm 3-4 years away from getting it.

[@rubbermoule]

same here !

[@howardscott898]

I Agree

[@ownsnine]

in my past I raced superbike for 8 years, so i know speed. I chose a Porsche 997 as my first introduction to a CAR that was fast because i am going to be 50 in January. I JUST wanted a car that was something that represented me and what i have done in my life a little more. Boy did i get a LOT MORE. I have ran an auto repair business for 24 years so in fact i know cars. Surprisingly i have learned over time that Porsche 911 line has been characteristically reliable. the 997 model is the same OMG i can drive it EVERY DAY and not WORRY!!! It is very impressively downright FAST on top of that. Not the overused label of "quick" used for Acura a lot but downright really FAST. I bought the S version and apparently the original owner 32k miles before me when he purchased the vehicle wanted EVERY option so it is COMPLETELY optioned out.. Even the Carbon ceramic rotors and 6 piston brake calipers are on this car stops AS FAST as my superbike did for lack of rubber on the ground making the bike not kill a car. i paid 42950 with the options the original buyer ordered it was 105k new from a dealer in New York, Manhattan Motorcars I had it SHIPED to my house in CALIFORNIA no less. OMG the BEST PURCHASE i have EVER MADE with a car. Astronomically good handling ON TOP of being fast. Which is RIGHT there like my superbike was. I know motorcycles power and handlin, i NEVER imagined a CAR would EVER compare....... the 997 not only compares but almost MATCHES the FEELINGS of control speed and flat EXHILARATION OF A SUPERBIKE and it is just driving a car!!!...... i never thought this would be possible but here it is the 997.

[@daviddwane1771]

Scott LaVelle I’m sure you will love it for years to come. I’ve had mine for 3 years now and I still look at it and almost can’t believe it’s mine. PS I didn’t race or anything but I had a GSXR 750 when I was younger and I’d take my 911 over it any day of the week (although I did love it too).

[@ownsnine]

David Dwane first car I miss driving when I’m not :)

[@space_114v2]

Thanks ... Best of luck with yours ...Looks great !!

[@garysmith-qr9gt]

love the take!

[@Markus308]

i am thinking since some time about a porsche ... and with a budget of 50.000 $ the 997 is a very good choice ... but i am thinking of buying a 2002 boxter or a 2002 911 convertible and spend the rest of the money to make roadtrips and holiday too much :D

[@ce2958]

Dave, I’m in the market now for a $50k used car. ( actually the reason why I got to your channel). Question: what else fit into your $50k used car search - I’m debating whether to spend more for a 1st gen Audi R8. What are your thoughts and what were your other potential $50k cars). Moreover, any infamous 997 whistling at higher speeds with your car?

[@daviddwane1771]

M Army wow it sounds like we have very similar taste in cars. One of the few cars that I still find myself looking at regularly is a 2008-2010 R8 V8 however when I think about it 1 I really love my 911 and 2 for a similarly speced and mileage car (that has basically the same performance figures) it is pretty close to twice as much money. I was also strongly considering an Aston Martin V8 Vantage, a newer Cayman, I even looked at the Lotus and an M3. PS I don’t have any high speed whistling nor have I ever heard of it. Hope that helps. Let me know what you decide.

[@asprelskcalling1151]

Great video!

[@jackychou3288]

Do you think it is worth to add on some original options like sport chron、sport exhaust if the 1st car owner didn’t choose the options? It seems still expensive! Should we spend that money if we wish to keep the car a longer period of time?

[@daviddwane1771]

Jacky Chou I’m not sure I understand your question. How would you add options if the original owner didn’t have them.

[@abefroman07]

How did your car go up 8k in value? 997 at this point are not appreciating.

[@daviddwane1771]

abefroman07 as I said in the video I think it has mostly to do with the drop in the Canadian dollar vs the US. As it costs more to import them they have gone up.

[@wesleygonzales2049]

I'd buy the best Cayman $50k could buy

[@daviddwane1771]

Wesley Gonzales also a great choice. My good friend that I often go driving with just bought one.

[@shauncarrigan]

Cayman won’t retain its value. For $50k US you can get a clean 997 4S.

[@williamjackson5357]

But it’s a great car, the Cayman, hard to beat by any car if you’re looking for pure drving esthetics

[@henryt9731]

In Hong Kong, with 50,000 Canadian Dollars... You could get a Aston dB9, Maserati GT, Nissan GTRs... I'd go for the Maserati 😍

[@johnomahoney7755]

I would agree with you!

[@Bern2280]

Hi David, Great video.! The 997 is also great car because it has rear seats for kids. Do you do your own oil changes/maintenance? Are there car seats you recommend for the 997? How do you reset/remove the “service now” message on the instrument cluster?

[@daviddwane1771]

Bernard Chiu I do most of my own service so I just live with the service message. I could go to a dealer to have it reset but there is no Porsche dealership in my city. I’m not sure about the car seat because I got my 997 after my kids were already out of car seats.

[@speedcanada1]

Hi Bernard, I use the Harmony booster seat for my younger son www.walmart.ca/en/ip/harmony-deluxe-belt-positioning-booster-car-seat/6000195518298 It's hard to find seats that are narrow enough at the bottom back to fit within the bucket. I don't think that there's any pre-booster seat that's Transport Canada certified that will fit, but in the US you have some choices that will. I'd suggest a search on Rennlist to find the latest seats that people are using. For your service reset, I recently bought a iCarsoft PORII scan tool that is supposed to be able to reset the service reminder. They are available on Amazon.

[@daviddwane1771]

Mister Amri thanks for the information. I’ll look for one.

[@Bern2280]

speedcanada1 thank you! I will try the harmony booster seat and the por II!

[@FabioSicuro]

Hi David, interesting video, thank you. A question for you, what about the tiptronic? Ciao from Tuscany

[@daviddwane1771]

Fabio Sicuro still a nice fun car that is not likely to depreciate too much with a tiptronic, I feel that the manual of this generation will be more desirable.

[@peterwright3283]

David Dwane c

[@MustAccord]

I am looking at buying a C4S 2009, 3.8 engine and loads of other extras...but can't decide if the prices will go down on these..it has 100kkm's on it. PDK gear box Sport Chrono+ Sports Exhaust Extended Leather Bose Audio System

[@daviddwane1771]

MustAccord given that it’s going on 10yrs old I would think it is near the bottom and depreciation will be very slow from here.

[@MustAccord]

@@daviddwane1771 He is asking 49k eur for it..passed the 111 test and with full service history. Engine oil change completed at 98.000km, PDK gear box oil changed at 100.200km at Porsche dealership.

[@daviddwane1771]

MustAccord I am in Canada so I am not that familiar with prices in Europe. If it seems like a competitive price and it’s the car you are looking for, it sounds like it is in good shape from what you have said, this might be the one for you.

[@MustAccord]

@@daviddwane1771 thanks David!

[@E.Z.Walker3693]

I would buy a 911

[@rafgif9665]

Yes is the best car, very very nice bye bye from italy

[@David-hn5ix]

Watching this 4 years later laughing at the prices

[@daviddwane1771]

Yup, glad I got mine when I did.

[@TMats100]

Nice job. 997.1 4S owner

[@kevinkane3846]

Just subscribed good job! From a fellow Canadian.

[@daviddwane1771]

Kevin Kane thanks!

[@MrVisbokaal]

For ‘the most car’, I would buy a younger Cayman. Then you have in my opinion ‘the most car’.

[@daviddwane1771]

MrVisbokaal my good friend just bought one. I also love that car, not quite as much as a 911 but I agree it is also a great choice.

[@carter240]

If it’s cost preventing you from buying a 911, the Cayman 987.2 is an excellent choice. I’ve owned one for 3 years and it hasn’t depreciated at all. Drive the Cayman and save for a 911. However, I should mention the main reason I prefer the 911 is for the back seats. I wouldn’t use them for people but the space is nice to have, so that’s one downside of the Cayman.

[@MrVisbokaal]

I understand you’re point. But for some guys the Cayman can be the last step. For example a Cayman GT4 is for sale about €100.000 (used). I would prefer this one above any 911 around that budget. For me it a weekend car and I don’t need the back seats. A gt3 rs for example is realy nice but is a lot more expensive. ‘Budget’ wise the Cayman keeps winning for me. It’s not because people think the 911 is the best Porsche, that you have to have one. A Cayman can be the better choice.

[@carter240]

MrVisbokaal absolutely, the GT4 is amazing. I’m just saying that even a base model Cayman can be a great way to dip your toe into the Porsche waters. Too many people overlook the Cayman because it’s not the flagship model. For most people it’s more car than they need on the street anyway.

[@williamheiting7308]

The one drawback of the Cayman from my point of view is the need to drop the engine for major service. Great handling car, but a bitch to work on. I wound up with a 997.2 S. I'm very happy.

[@Dotherightthing832]

Great video Mate!

[@daviddwane1771]

Maryjan W thanks.

[@henkoc86]

Great video and thoughts. Planning on this being my next car, and dream car - after my MBA/ if hired after internship. I Agree with all the reasons you give in the video. How much better is the car than expected? Best value!

[@daviddwane1771]

Henrik H Koch this car has been a pleasant surprise in many ways so far. I have another video where I go over some of these. Truly my only regret is that I waited so long.

[@andrelefebvre4452]

Hello, i love your vidéo I'm loocking to buy one, i'm affraid about big repair. Thanks

[@Eatongee]

With the exception of the 996 and early 997 IMS bearing issue, Porsches are widely known as "bullet proof". Typically unless you buy a track car or one that was otherwise abused, Porsche 911s are good for 200 thousand miles before you have to start to worry about what might happen.

[@REALmacheight]

996 is the best.

[@space_114v2]

I am looking for a 997 the 997.1 is a roll of the dice because of the IMS bearing / RM seal & the scariest off all the cylinder bore scoring issue. What year is your 997 ?? Looking to make the plunge ?? Not sure if I should wait $$$ and get the 997.2 .

[@daviddwane1771]

Mike T mine is a late year 2007. The ims issue affected the 996 with the m96 engine more than other models. After the very first 997s came out in 2005 Porsche did a redesign for the m96.5 and m97 engine.

[@grindymct]

If you're in Canada you'll see as much as a $20K difference between a 997.1 and a 997.2. Considering the low chances of one of the mentioned failures it's hard to justify the extra $20,000, heck you could pocket that money as a rainy day fund in case you needed an engine rebuild/replacement (which would still cost you under $20,000 more than likely). I'm planning on buying one of these soon, if you get a 2005 you could have the failure prone IMS bearing but it would be replaceable so just factor in another 2-3000 for an LN Engineering bearing, if it's not the early 2005 units it will have the strongest version of the IMS bearing and I think most mechanics just say pull the gasket off of it and live your life. Drop some decent money on a PPI at a reputable Porsche Specialist, request a borescope to check for scoring and see if you can figure out what IMS you have. If you get it, regular oil changes, drive it hard, and check your oil filters at services to look for metal debris. (I'll also be having my oil samples sent to blackstone labs once a year for analysis.) TLDR; 997.1s are good value, just do your homework before buying

[@daviddwane1771]

You're exactly right. Sounds like we did very similar research before buying. The perception of the IMS has actually been quite good for me, as you said it has reduced the price by a fair margin. You can also tell which IMS you have by checking the engine code- M96= older design M96.5 and M97 = newer design.

[@space_114v2]

Thank You for your insight ... I will do just that ... I will sleep much better know the engine has been scoped and the car inspected ... I have one car in mind and I will give the gent a call tomorrow. :) Thanks Again !

[@cintra2]

get the 997.2, no issues on it, and it's holding the value.

[@danrook5757]

Drive the damn car

[@andyfallon8077]

God listening and watching is boring. You’d keep people much more interested showing the car! 😞

[@jorisbollaert7833]

50k is a lot of money for a 997.1in my opinion! buy a 996 turbo much more car for the money, reliable and perfomance like no other and no ims problems here! i did and its just a blast to drive every time, first gen 997 do have ims problems up to 2008.

[@princeoz17]

what about a 996 4s 2005? Finding them in the 30'S

[@jorisbollaert7833]

yes the 996 4S is a great deal no problem finding good ones in the 30s! friend of mine has one and i drove it a couple times, same body as the turbo same breaks..if you buy one do a ims and clutch upgrade, go for a manual much more fun! and you will have piece of mind and a great car!!

[@xstepper]

Other than the 997 I would get a Lotus evora S

[@daviddwane1771]

xstepper good call. Also a car I considered and like very much.

[@seanburns1982]

I have been thinking the same thing. I am considering a new BMW M240i or a 997 Carrera. My only concern is the seats. I have driven a 991 for several long and spirited dives and the seat was pretty hard on my back.

[@daviddwane1771]

Sean Burns I don’t think you can go wrong with either choice there. I also have a BMW and I find the seat in the 911 more comfortable even on long trips.

[@thomashelm6931]

Sir.. A NEW 240i will depreciate like a rock! I purchased a 2015 335i, used, in 2018 and is still depreciating significantly. I love the car, but had I known more about the 997 Porsche, I would have selected that. Only in my opinion, but I would definitely NOT go for the BMW. IMHO.