Is the Bigscreen Beyond YOUR next VR HEADSET? MY VERDICT: The GOOD & BAD! (SO FAR)

After a month of using a pre production version of the BigScreen Beyond as my daily driver, what do I really think? Is this your next VR headset? Well in this video, I give you my verdict...
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[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Is the Beyond your next VR headset? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below 👇👇👇Available HERE through my affiliate link HERE: store.bigscreenvr.com/en-gb/products/bigscreen-beyond?sca_ref=4059133.jQ538JBDDR&sca_source=VRFGS (your support is greatly appreciated)

[@ji3200]

He said clearity is as good as Reverb G2, i think im gonna cancel Beyond. $1600 for whole kit vs G2 for $299 on sale. No resale value for beyond and glare and bad sweet spot is just not worth it. I just got a email from Bigscreen for face scan and production is starting 2 months from now. Hmmm why they ask to face scan now? Maybe they want to prevent people fron canceling preorder?

[@briannormant3622]

​​@@ji3200Im pretty sure he said the glare is similar, not the clarity. For starter, the PDD is better, better colors, darks ecr. But for 299$, yeah the reverb is the way to go. And production is not starting in 2 month. It is already shipping, unless you live outside of US or order very late. Yes Im biased for the beyond. This is the way to go, and I'm an ready to take some inconvenience for the form factor

[@ji3200]

@@briannormant3622 i wonder what happen if somebody come up with oled display with bigger fov, hardly no glare, very good pancake lense for huge sweet spot next year. Im picky guy so i have to upgrade eventually. Beyond has no resale value so that sucks

[@briannormant3622]

@@ji3200 with this logic I would never buy anything :) I'll just wait 5 more years until something much better comes out. I don't need the very best at any time. And anyway I'm not sure something better will come out before at least 3 years. Not without major tradeoff or massive cost. Currently the beyond does everything I want for a VR headset. So I'll go with it. And most piece of techs don't have big resale value anyway. Beyond can not be shared. But big the time I will not use it anymore, it's resales price wouldn't be much. And the fact it's not shareable feels like a false issue, because I never really shared my device, not for more than 30 minutes anyway. So unless my friend have a completely different face and IPD it won't be a problem for me. The conclusion sums it up. It's a nice product, And I happen to be part of that niche

[@ji3200]

@@briannormant3622 yeah you are right. 2560p resolution is way ahead of time so its gonna last for many years. Wish they improve more on glare and sweet spot. 75hz is perfectly fine for me since 90hz visual is not sharp as 75hz youtubers said.

[@julianmazzola]

I tried the Crystal and it felt like I was balancing a microwave on my head. The visuals delivered on the hype but it was just so ridiculously bulky that it was a huge relief to even go back to the Index. I did my face scan today for the Beyond and I'm very excited to experience near-zero weight on my face in VR.

[@generalgrevous2458]

Not worried about the 'clammy' feeling?

[@julianmazzola]

@@generalgrevous2458 nahhh, I'm not a simmer and I rarely game for more than an hour or two. I understand there's no air conditioning in the UK so I can see that being a problem, but I'm in the US and the apartment is always nice and chilly

[@Sean_Coyne]

The Crystal for me was a very very poor fit until I'd packed some foam in the sides to stop light leakage and bought the Apache head strap, which lifted the weight off my nose (I have a narrow face and also PPD). I now only notice the weight and bulk of it when taking it on or off. In flight sims, which is what I bought it for, it's just not an issue anymore. The visuals far outweigh (pun intended ) the bulk and outdated form factor for me. Having said that, I look forward to newer headsets with a smaller form factor, provided they can deliver top of the line visual and sound quality.

[@generalgrevous2458]

@@julianmazzola 👍

[@MeplusYellow]

Julian bro it’s Kayoum! Go figure I found your comment haha. I’ve been looking at the Crystal for DCS but might not based on your feedback. Small world!

[@zackmac5917]

The final product is shipped with an optional top strap. There is also an optional (extra cost) high end audio strap that is rigid which will maximise comfort.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I'm looking forward to checking this out on the final unit. 👍

[@zackmac5917]

@@VRFlightSimGuy me too. Great review btw! Very interesting to see how flight simmers like yourself feel about the headset, which is a very different audience from say, VR chat users. Overall seems like this is a general crowd pleaser! Coming from a Samsung Odyssey +, I think this is going to blow my mind lol. Designs like this are definitely the way forward. This is really an incredible achievement for the first gen of small form factor high res micro-oled headsets. The next headset in my sights is the Visor by Immersed. Seems like it's shaping up to almost be a BSB 2, essentially, but will definitely be significantly higher price (and without natively compatible controllers) so not really competing.

[@nb8c_fd]

I've been simming in VR for years, and I'm always surprised by how few people think to point a fan at their face. I bought a pedestal fan on Amazon for about £30 that has 10 speeds, and I simply put it on speed 10 and point it upwards at my face whenever I am sitting in my sim rig. It helps immensely with keeping your face cool, even when using airtight headsets (which mine are, as I have modified the facial interfaces to conform to my face shape). I am sick and tired of slinging a brick around on my face. I've been doing it for nearly 6 years now and I cannot wait to be able to use VR without seeing and feeling a hot, heavy brick of a device wobble around in front of my eyes. The Bigscreen beyond is the headset I have been dreaming of for 6 years, and I am not exaggerating. MicroOLED, ultra light weight, Koss Porta Pro audio strap (CV1 drivers), lighthouse tracking, native SteamVR compatibilty, clear glass lenses, *DISPLAYPORT*, no battery, no counterweight, no bulky strap, and no moving parts. The Beyond is everything I have ever wished for in a VR headset and I am itching to get my hands on one! I read another comment here about the Pimax Crystal feeling like you're balancing a microwave on your head, and I couldn't help but laugh at how true that is. That perfectly depicts my Pimax experience, and I am never using such an atrociously heavy device again.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Strangely for me it always feels like after a bit my brain just erases the HMD so I barely notice it regardless of how big it is. Can't even count the number of times I've tried to tried to touch my face, or raise a glass or something onyl to remember DUH...Not that I wouldn't love something small and light like the BB, I just feel it isn't as huge a factor as other things like decent lenses.

[@nb8c_fd]

@@JohnVanderbeck Well I've used heavy and light headsets over the years, and there is a distinct difference. I used a Rift CV1 for about 4 years, which is a very lightweight device, and I definitely notice the weight of my modded Vive Pro that replaced it. Once you've used a lightweight headset that genuinely almost disappears on your face, heavy headsets are unbearable. I can tolerate my Vive Pro because I modded it to be a fantastic device, but it's very heavy and gets very hot. The weight also causes the image to sway around in front of you, which is again something that really bothers me after years of using a headset that doesn't really move.

[@ahhshytson]

I have the SRS hurricane wind sim kit on my rig and it's awesome

[@mastichka]

I agree. But a fan, especially on the highest speed, when your body is steady is not a good idea - your joints being exposed to a constant air blow are cooling down, and with the years you are gradually getting rheumatic pain that you are initially not aware of. I speak of experience.

[@nb8c_fd]

@@mastichka I appreciate the info. However, I point my fan at my upper or lower torso, so the only parts of my body receiving constant airflow are hips, thighs, shoulders, neck, and face. My left elbow gets some, as my fan is positioned to my left, so I may buy a small sleeve to cover my elbow when racing.

[@VariVR]

Thank you for all you do...sticking with my new Crystal for now. It was great to see you in IL-2 again too!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks mate much appreciated :)

[@markkovalcson7243]

As one of those discord users you mentioned excited to get one, Yes it will be my next VR headset :) And I think you've made a very fair review. There is no perfect headset out there, but this sounds like heaven to me despite any imperfections. And now you have me remembering that I have a copy of IL2 that I picked up on sale and never actually tried out.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks for you comments buddy, now it's down to you and I'm really looking forward to YOUR impressions soon! TC

[@GYGOtv]

Isn't it amazing how much we miss that little fan in the Aero blowing on our face when it isn't there? I noticed that right away in the Crystal too. Great analysis as always my friend!!!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

It's very often the little things mate. Thanks for watching as always buddy. 🍻

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Doesn't that dry out your eyes?

[@theflyingfool]

Excellent review! Thank you!

[@jimmy8x541]

I think it's a great option if you already have the steam tracking setup.

[@jamesyoungerdds7901]

Thanks so much for this, Steve! Really appreciate your thoughtful and detailed review and thoughts. It was thanks to your channel I moved from Reverb G2 to Pico 4. Having never owned an Index (so no lighthouse or knuckles), I'm still waiting for that next headset and experience. And I know every headset has it's pros/cons, but it just seems like everything so far has a "good, but...." I only play PCVR, so if we can get a form-factor similar or even slight larger than the Beyond (and I think enthusiasts would be fine with custom interfaces, but maybe not general public), but with inside-out tracking and good lenses, etc. I had big hopes for the Crystal, but now it seems unnecessarily huge in an early-adopter way (like 80's cell phones vs now). I'd love to see a video of your theoretical 'ideal' headset for PCVR / VR Flight Sim players - like an imaginary mock-up of the design and description of the tech/lenses, etc. that would at least give the industry something to aspirationally shoot for, at least from a PCVR enthusiast standpoint. Big fan, thanks again!

[@mostwanted2000]

Well, this is OLED and it has real 1ms pixel response time, that is why 75hz is not a problem. The other headsets have classic LED with slow 5-8ms reaponse times.

[@saus660]

Inspiring! You probably get this a lot, but do you have a link to an overview of your used hardware (not the PC)? That moving setup looks cool.

[@seattime4075]

Yea, zero airflow would be a problem, especially in places were it is often hot and humid. Funny looking at prices in Australia, the Crystal is a few hundred dollars dearer than the Aero. (both $1200+ dearer than a beyond). Likely will sit on the fence and see how the other headsets being delivered soon turn out. FI. I have seen a mod for the Beyond already, were it can flip up and down and does not use a face interface at all.

[@ThomasGrillo]

I love how small that headset is. But, I agree that it would be nice if it had the internal tracking, and audio. Sadly, that would negate the compactness. Thanks for the info. :)

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

My pleasure and cheers for watching

[@lewisbloom]

Can I make a suggestion, nip out to Poundland or equiv and grab some of those reading glasses or clear glasses. Then when reviewing make sure to do some glasses checks as the biggest issue I and of course many have with VR is which sets allow me to wear my glasses in the set without messing around with new lenses that are there own little world of issues hehe.

[@Shalashaska111]

Keep your eyes on the Somnium VR1. It might be the perfect hmd for you.

[@MrLolof1]

Thank you so much for this excellent vidéo 😍👍🏻👍🏻🙏🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩 Aplushhss form France 🇫🇷

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You’re welcome 😊

[@AbideinChristFully]

I think some type of fabric on the gasket would help. I have one on pre-order, but considering the quest 3 instead.

[@TheSpookyOficial]

most likely quest 3 will have more fov and higher refresh rate than big screen beyond plus mixed reality which looks quite promising in quest 3 personally i'm excited for quest 3

[@jamessimmons8352]

Great video. I didn't hear you mention anything about custom eyeglass lens inserts. I'm sure many would want to know if they are available and if so do they work well given the small size of the Bigscreen. I have inserts in my Reverb G2 and they were a game changer for me. I'm still liking my G2 even after a year or more, but I am a bit annoyed that the stuttering and shaking I felt for a long time were not a software issue, but a head tracking issue with the inside out tracking. Now that I have ironed out the environmental (lighting) issues, all's well. 🙂

[@sparkerinvr526]

The lens inserts were available when I pre ordered my Beyond and are very thin and magnetically attached.

[@seivaDsugnA]

IL2 is a fantastic ancient game that just keeps gettings better.

[@bradule1980]

This mini map fully functioning in IL-2 is not working for me. Pls how do u make it work? Tnx btw great vid as usual

[@jackr.749]

As for low brightness, how does the Beyond compare to the Pico 4 since both use pancake lenses? I know for myself, the Pico 4 is not as bright as the Quest-2 or Reverb G2v2 which both have Fresnel lenses.

[@SimmerCK]

I wonder if some kind of fabric mask that breathes might help with the clammy feeling.

[@regroark719]

I've always had issues with HMD's with my small 57 IPD and weird face. I think having it fixed might be worth all the small things like glare. I'd rather have a little glare than blurry. I've not found a headset yet that does a good job at 57IPD. I was hoping for the 12kx but it looks like the estimates of Q4 2022 were greatly exagerated as they've not even got the crystal rock solid yet. So maybe beyond is my choice for a while?

[@olliebrown89]

The 3d scan face fit is a blessing and a curse. I love the idea of a perfect fit for myself but not being able to share the experience with other people is a deal breaker for me. Really happy it exists though.

[@zorbakaput8537]

I agree the big expense and then not being able to show (share with) others how good VR really is is a big negative. I have to add I live in OZ (without air con) and the clammy face is a no go in our summer ( and probably winter) as well.

[@willybilly8187]

Do you think they would allow others to have face scans even if it costs to have them made or is it just one per headset.

[@MrBreakthompson]

Plus sending your scanned face to a company is just ridiculous to begin with honestly

[@FuzzWoof]

I'm quite sure someone will come up with some sort of generic facial interface for it at some point, both for sharing and also for people buying a used BSB so they can actually use their headset without waiting to get a custom replacement made up.

[@Sam-gf1eb]

At least you don't have to worry about your family using it.

[@gregsummers99]

Can you really not read dials? Or is it just that you have to strain to read? (I have not yet worn a VR headset of any kind).

[@AdamsSimPorium]

Good stuff :) I wouldn't have thought a top strap would be hard to add, just a tiny addition on top for a strap to go through and a plastic bit that slides through the strap on the back. Agree about the 75Hz, I've always been happy with that in the 8kx. I wish the Crystal had a 75Hz option. My bro is looking to upgrade from the Vive Pro. Obviously this is a huge step up, but how would you compare glare and fov to the Vive Pro (if you ever used one and remember!). Cheers.

[@stuartmurton7319]

I think they are adding an optional top strap In the box as another KZbin (sadlyitsbradly) recommended it to them.

[@AdamsSimPorium]

@@stuartmurton7319 Yeah but I believe that one is going ear to ear, whereas one front to back would take weight off the nose.

[@zackmac5917]

@@AdamsSimPorium It should theoretically still do that from side to side. Plus it also means you don't have a strap against your forehead.

[@sparkerinvr526]

Thanks yes it is.

[@doowaa2001]

Others have spoken about the brightness being to low on the Beyond, but I see they have overdrive for the brightness available with software, can you tell me using a valve index for comparison, what percentage should I put the index brightness on so I can see roughly see how bright the Beyond is at full brightness after the overdrive boost. I'm visually impaired and brightness is a huge deal for me.

[@dtz1000]

I also hate sweaty silicone or PU leather touching my face. It helps a lot if you use a breathable VR eye mask for those types of headsets.

[@VNAV_PTH]

The Quest 2 is the most comfortable headset I have worn. Simply because it's the only headset I have worn 😊

[@jonathansaindon788]

How does fov and sweet spot compares to G2 V2? Those are my main gripe with my G2.

[@PromethorYT]

I believe there will be some kind of ''performance'' mode on the production unit that will allow for 90 hertz. That is what I remember hearing from other reviewers.

[@Woopass90]

I think everyone should have a fan blowing anyway so the comfort will not be an issue.

[@ji3200]

After he said clearity is good as Reverb G2, i think im gonna cancel Beyond. Just for oled screen, im spending $1600 for whole kit?

[@daxconnell7661]

i'm using a LG 49 inch Nano85UNA which can do pc input at 120hz. has HD. love it. got it on a sale for $900 after taxes Canadian. in 2019 in December, the only big screen i need. will never go back to a monitor unless they manage to drop in prices compared to a tv of similar quality

[@UmutOnan]

Hello, which game is this? Years ago there was Combat Flight Simulator similar to this, but I could not find any dedicated WW2 era flight game, so I am curious about this one.

[@Recon777x]

Lack of airflow concerns me. In my Reverb, things are prone to get foggy, which is also a function of how close your eyes are to the lenses. Eye moisture will transfer to the glass, so it's not even coming from the outside. Then again, would there even be room to put prescription lenses inside this little thing? Or is it just for people with perfect eyesight?

[@lorsch.]

Same here. And I find silikon gaskets quite uncomfortable in general. I rather have a cloth / foamy material that can absorb sweat and is washable. Yes, the Beyond offers presciption lenses too.

[@troygroff4512]

So, right now today what vr headset is your favorite? Thanks

[@tasmania9576]

Varjo and I will have a long relationship! I hope the Somnium VR1 will be the sweet spot for us simers.

[@dawudmc]

This just makes you realise how good of a deal the G2 is!

[@Tommy-qe6fh]

Ehhh

[@DMan-ud6bt]

Form factor and uOLED are obvious things to desire. It's the small FOV and lack of quality off-ear audio that kill any enthusiasm that I might have had for the Beyond and leave me hoping for more from the Somnium VR1 or the Valve Deckard (hopefully sooner than most think). Of course I want better clarity and colors - that's a given for any upgrade, but I also want a larger FOV (not smaller!) and not to lose the amazing audio experience I have with Index.

[@RidgeXR_2]

The beyond audio strap should theoretically have even better audio than the index. The fov is a 5 degree drop off, very small difference.

[@DMan-ud6bt]

@@RidgeXR_2 Unfortunately, even if the audio quality is great, and I sincerely hope it is, what has been shown/pictured is an on-ear design. For me, on-ear does cause heat buildup and might also put pressure on the ears over time. Neither is even remotely possible with an off-ear design. I understand that Bigscreen did some work to increase their FOV to within a few degrees of Index, but it is still smaller rather than what I crave in an upgrade - larger FOV paired with increased clarity. I know some might think I'm nitpicking, but after 7 years of VR, I do truly expect upgrades to be without compromises or regressions from what they are supposedly upgrades from.

[@RidgeXR_2]

@@DMan-ud6bt Well, if it helps you out, you can put the speakers slightly off ear as well with a small spacer.

[@DMan-ud6bt]

@@RidgeXR_2 That's an interesting idea. I wonder how it might affect audio quality. I suppose a small enough spacer could relieve pressure (if there is any) without distancing them too far.

[@RidgeXR_2]

@@DMan-ud6bt Apparently, the speakers don't put any pressure on your ears. You should be able to space them off your ears however you like, the developers have confirmed this to me.

[@m0rph3u5.]

Thanks for the honest great thorough review I was so excited initially and was that close to getting it due to the for factor, good resolution (already have base stations and knuckle controllers..etc) and most importantly the price compared to Aero, but with drawbacks for both BSB and Pimax Crystal, I can understand why the Aero is that expensive. I mean afterall, USAF are relying on Varjo for training/flight sims. I can understand the glare and lack of fov.rendering but what I can't understand is the "SWEET SPOT" I thought since its made using facial scan, the sweet spot would be spot on! that is a real bummber tbh if not especially when there IPD adjustment isn't an option I think lets just wait for Valve and Somnium's announcement and if still crap, then Aero it is

[@markkovalcson7243]

I think this is one of those multiple definitions for sweet spot issues. He was referring to the edge to edge clarity when you look around with your eyeballs towards the edges of the display.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

My pleasure :) I'm still hoping things may change somewhat with the final unit, as soon as it's in my hands, I'll let you know. Take care!

[@arminglf]

​@@markkovalcson7243yes he's mentioned the sweet spot a couple of times before and I'm confused, isn't pancake lenses one of the best for edge to edge clarity?

[@markkovalcson7243]

@@arminglf There are lots of variables and not all Fresnel, Aspheric, pancake lenses are equal with other lenses of the same type. Pancake lenses are the smallest and lightest. They are also by far going to be the easiest way to get to a very wide FOV.

[@o4saken1]

Has anyone tried drilling/dremelling V shaped air pathways into the foam? I say V shape because straight lines will lead to directly light entering the viewing area.

[@FlyingFun.]

I fly fpv racing drones and have tried various goggles of different sizes, None of them are comfy for more than 5 mins at a time tbh, the bigger ones with a nice screen are too heavy, smaller ones are nice and light and fit snugly but end up fogging up and giving me eye strain anyway. I do like the idea the bigscreen goggles but I think vr will be limited to short gaming sessions unless things get better.

[@mururoa7024]

OK, so for me the Pico4 had a much too limited FOV (among all its other flaws), so that's just one more thing that would bother me with the Bigscreen.

[@deanna6359]

I'm giving the Bigscreen serious consideration for my next headset. The size and weight being the most appealing factors. But in terms of clarity and resolution, do you think it is considerably better than the G2? I know the Bigscreen is higher res than the G2, but I'm curious to know if that is something that is appreciable when using it. I'm pretty much turned off the Crystal now despite the high resolution. I'm waiting to hear more about the Somnium before deciding. But if the Bigscreen does offer noticeably visual clarity and resolution over the G2, I think I'll be sold!

[@RidgeXR_2]

Oh it does. Reverb G2 is 24ppd, beyond is 32.

[@deanna6359]

@@RidgeXR_2 Hi .. yes I've seen the numbers, I'm just curious to know how that translates to user experience, as in how much clearer the gauges are to read, or details in the distance, etc. As I can't have the opportunity to try before I buy I'd like to hear the impressions of someone who has compared both 🙂

[@RidgeXR_2]

@@deanna6359 Yeah, that's hard to explain. I can't tell ya how much clearer it is, but every beyond tester I know (Except sadlyitsbradley) can't even see the pixels, if that helps.

[@deanna6359]

@@RidgeXR_2 That is good to know, and does help!😊

[@utley]

Id really like to know how well it works with prescription glasses. If it prevents you from wearing them or you cant possibly get prescription lenses for this, its gonna be a hard pass for me. Other than that, Id give it a shot. I cant stand my Reverb G2.

[@Sam-gf1eb]

There's some prescription inserts for it.

[@billymos]

What mod do you use in the video?

[@SimHangerFS]

Thanks for sharing your candid views, definitely a sign of things to come, but perhaps you’re premature on giving a final verdict prior to the release of the product. Interesting times ahead for VR 😊

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

My pleasure mate, I'm not expecting the optics to change at this late stage, however, I will have a final unit soon. 😊

[@RidgeXR_2]

There is openxr integration, it just runs through steamvr. Set your openxr default software to steamvr in steamvr settings and you’re off to the races.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Which is still SteamVR, which means you have lower performance than OpenXR native.

[@King5Arthur]

Base stations?

[@jesseissorude]

I upgraded from Windows 10 to 11 (not by choice...) this past week and now IL-2 barely gets 15 fps. Here, I thought I'd be trying VR in a month or two. 😐

[@erikjones356]

So I’m curious about eye strain and/ or eye fatigue now that you’ve tested this for quite some time now, especially as compared to the Aero. Your comments are greatly appreciated! Thanks!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I've had no eye strain with both headsets, or actually, none at all for that matter. Make sure your IPD is set correctly and you do the 20/20 rule :)

[@erikjones356]

@@VRFlightSimGuy awesome stuff! By the way, your site is extremely informative and appreciated. Thank you for taking the time and effort to clearly communicate products and simulation applications! Now if we could only get some kind of hand-tracking capability in the Aero like what they have in the XR/VR-3 they’re going to have more orders than they’ll know what to do with!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

@@erikjones356 That's very kind of you to say thank you :)

[@JohnVanderbeck]

I've never had eyestrain issues in any headset starting at the Rift DK1 and on. You aren't really looking at a screen due to the way the focus works, it is just like looking outside as your eyes will be focusing at different depths. Arguably an HMD is better on your eyes than a standard 2d monitor where your focal plane is fixed.

[@erikjones356]

Thanks John. That is a very clear and insightful explanation. I can completely relate to the 2D Monitor eyestrain point. Using various depth adjustments (as in HMD VR systems) would seem to make more sense, as that would replicate natural vision functions. Great Point! @@JohnVanderbeck

[@MrHoodsquirrel]

I love the form factor but native 75hz and glare issues is no bueno IMO. Been using the Crystal for about 12 days now and I'm absolutely loving it! (requires some tinkering though)

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

To be fair 75hz feels like 90. But glare is a shame, hopefully the final unit may improve this area.

[@lurchilurch5507]

What? The 75hz is a killer feature for MSFS since it's actually possible to hit 75fps. Wish I had this on the Aero

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@lurchilurch5507 I don't know how you can get 75fps in MSFS. I'm sitting on a pretty powerful rig, 5800X3D and RTX 4090, and I can't even keep a solid 36 (half 72) for my Quest 2.

[@lurchilurch5507]

@@JohnVanderbeck I have a 7800x3d and a 4090 and it's very doable with the correct settings. Not with airliners and other complex planes though

[@user-chris1983]

I hope for somnium vr1 news soon.

[@tkdmp5698]

1800 just for the base model

[@stevebobowski3507]

Cant do glare anymore since areo

[@iamgort70]

It can run at a 90hz refreshvrate.

[@dvsteve71]

I have never used a VR headset. Would I think this is awesome if I don't have anything to compare it with?

[@briannormant3622]

Probably, VR is hard, as every people react differently. But know that you'll need 2 base station, 1 pair of controllers and a extremely good PC. Your looking at a 1700$ price point. + Around the same price if you don't already have a good PC.

[@lorsch.]

Yes most likely. I went all in with an Index as my first vr experience over 3 years ago and haven't regretted it at all, still playing regularly

[@JohnVanderbeck]

I had pre-purchased the Crystal but the company keeps jerking me around and I'm real close to just canceling that order. The Aero and BB are the other two options but I really feel like they all have downsides. Most everything about the BB sound great except SteamVR (MSFS runs a LOT better in OpenXR) and the glare/godrays.. I thought we had moved on from that :( The Aero sounds like a solid choice but everyone says the FOV sucks.. then again I'm currently using a Quest 2 as my daily driver so not sure the FOV can really be any worse.

[@ji3200]

Aero and BB? What is BB? Is there another headset call BB?

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@ji3200 BB = Bigscreen Beyond which is too much to type when I'm being lazy :)

[@ji3200]

@@JohnVanderbeck ohh i see. im gonna get a Beyond eventually

[@antjones2281]

Speaking of Fans pointed at you, it seems like this plane you are flying combined with the Bigscreen would warrant you finally getting the Power Wind Fans hooked up and review. Turn your lemons into lemonade so to speak.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I really need to do this. They've been sat in their box for over a year 🤦

[@antjones2281]

@@VRFlightSimGuy seriously dude, they are Fan-tastic.

[@lurchilurch5507]

Great video, nicely balanced, echoes my thoughts (without having tried it). Again though, MSFS only supports openXR. So if you are playing MSFS, the BB supports it. SteamVR supports OpenXR and OpenVR.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou for your comments 😊 What I am referring to, is that you cannot bypass Steam VR as it does not have a native OPEN XR integration. You can certainly still use MSFS, as you've probably seen in my first video 👍

[@lurchilurch5507]

@@VRFlightSimGuy steam VR does have a native OXR integration, otherwise it wouldn't work with MSFS. Or maybe you mean the BB doesn't have its own openXR runtime and app, like Varjo Base?

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@lurchilurch5507t The point is you are still going through SteamVR which is then sending the data on to OpenXR which means you don't get the native benefit of direct OpenXR implementation, which is faster than going through SteamVR.

[@sean.d7171]

Vr has always lots of improvements but I've found I enjoyed the oculus rift the most because first time I used vr was amazing. Now I pick holes in everything and buy the latest and greatest headset when they release them. Enjoy the game or sim not the headset and buy what you can afford if you're a first time buyer any headset it a great experience accepted maybe not a vive pro 2 they are terrible for the money 😆

[@ACG_Muddy]

They really need to offer the base stations as something you can order with the headset itself. Its daft to me you have to chase them down yourself.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Good point

[@CondemnedToBeMe]

do I understand that the headset doesn't have an audio out for your headphone? that would really suck!

[@markkovalcson7243]

You can get a simple USB-C DAC/amp for $12. It plugs into the right side of the headset. They are tiny and you can plug your headphones into that.

[@CondemnedToBeMe]

@@markkovalcson7243 I see, thanks you! :)

[@fsxspen]

Don’t think anything right now can match Quest Pro for comfort, clarity, colors in one package.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I personally disagree but glad you enjoy it!

[@alexsp7086]

The Aero beats it by miles :))

[@fsxspen]

@@alexsp7086I can’t go back to enclosed HMDs and yeah I know the Aero is better visually, but the Qpro on a high end system gets really good reviews also even though its USB.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Well considering you can actually buy other headsets, unlike the Quest Pro, I'd say everything beats it.

[@-racingfan2014]

If you set encode rate to 800 or 960. You not see compression anymore. Also doesnt get hot with open design. Only Aero I think has cooling. Is a must in these headsets.

[@ryanchenoweth5673]

Do you have aircon? 🤔

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Yes

[@JohnVanderbeck]

What IS your favorite headset right now? Aero?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Aero, check my recent top 5 video 👍

[@thatstokedgamer]

I'm excited to see what third party face plate companies will make to solve this clammy feeling.

[@bigcrackrock]

Depending on if or how much it bothers me I'll try solving it myself with a small drill bit, and black mesh if light is a problem after making holes through the side. It might be the material itself up against your face and not the lack of airflow inside though. Unless the third party does custom face scans it might not be worth the trade off.

[@Leynad778]

VR-cover is selling cotton-"socks" for example for the Pico 4. They make every facial interace more breathable and I've actually modded my CV1-coat to the Pico 4 and before to the Odyssey instead of buying new ones. Maybe they somehow fit to the BSB.

[@briannormant3622]

​@@bigcrackrockwould it just break the whole no light leak tho.

[@bigcrackrock]

@@briannormant3622 I was thinking black mesh fabric on each side would probably remedy that. It's not really a big deal anyway depending on where it is. My passthrough stopped working suddenly on the old Vive, so I took the rubber nose part off to have quick access to seeing real world things and I never even really noticed the giant hole unless I was intentionally looking strait down. I intended for it to be a temporary fix, but even in that headset the airflow was such a nice unexpected bonus that I never put it back on.

[@arminglf]

Interesting that people still think SteamVR is worse than OpenXR. With the Aero I had better performance running OpenVR for some games like DR2 and AMS2.

[@poolhallshark]

👍👍👍👍

[@objectivemillennial2117]

the varjo aero is the most uncomfortable headset i have ever worn.

[@SJkopa]

MetaQuest 3 is currently the best.

[@foxtrotdeltausn4757]

Looks like same res as the g2

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

It's more. G2 is 2160 per eye (I think)

[@mugin11223344]

Why is Bigscreen Beyond VR so expensive? They have removed all the bloat, other headsets have, but it is still one of the expensive ones? It's probably 50% too expensive.

[@NicholasDutko]

Most of it are the 2 OLED screens. They do cost MUCH more than the LCDs being used in most other headsets

[@mugin11223344]

@@NicholasDutko The cheapest version on their website is 1369 EU. It is very very overpriced.

[@szabolcscsengoi4231]

So it is true again: the more the price the better you get.

[@MrCrrispy]

Absolutely everybody who tested it is complaining about the glare. So maybe if they manage to fix it, it could be a good choice! But until then, no.

[@Blobby192]

too expensive, will stick with my rift until quest 4

[@DB-be9wy]

Doesn't matter the good. The bad is the price which disqualifies it against its higher end competitors. The price also doesn't include the steam light towers and controllers it requires on top of its price! Just no.

[@Eskoxo]

Im waiting for bigscreen beyond pimax as usual based on watching numerous videos feels like a beta product from china that might fall apart any day.

[@regwatson2017]

If you are in a headset longer than two hours on a very regular basis you are definitely wearing it too long. I can almost predict problems in older age from excessive use of the current headsets.

[@MrMetaloholic]

glare 🤢🤮...it dimishes the whole point of oleds.

[@bobbymkd457]

Pico is not comfortable at all!

[@Czecher86]

shakes a lot....

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I'm talking, with a tiny VR headset on my face 🤔

[@CondemnedToBeMe]

👍👍👍👍