Is The F-14 Tomcat Still Useful, Was It Retired Too Soon ? | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@RupertFoulmouth]

The biggest issue I see with the Tomcat is Jester is not to be trusted. 🙂

[@drewparcel1727]

Maybe wouldn’t have retired when it did if Jester was replaced by R2D2

[@firebald2915]

Jester's mind is always on Meg.... eject !

[@el_bronco77]

That's understandable considering he was played by Michael Ironside...and he lost both of his arms to Arnold Braunschweiger on the way to a party.

[@localracer]

@@drewparcel1727the force is strong with that droid

[@kebotrans]

Needs Goose 🪿

[@CraigSotelo]

I swear the Tomcat has got to be the most beautiful fighter ever created

[@DJ118USMC]

No, I respect your opinion but there are dozens of fighters that look better. If we are just talking Jets, then the F-16, F-22, F-18, ME-262, Ho229 just to name a few. The F-14 is a beautiful aircraft but so many more aircraft meet the "Most Beautiful Fighters" list before the F-14.

[@Jorgen03]

@@DJ118USMC The F-104 should be on your list since it resembles a crayon.

[@xLeeroycranex]

It's one of them. Honestly, ever since the 70s, the US only 'dates' beautiful fighter jets so....yeah, NGAD and FA/XX better be nice looking. That's all I'm saying.

[@F14AB]

Especially when three of them are sitting on the cats of say the Nimitz in about 85.. F14A’s light up the deck at night.

[@fluffskunk]

The Tomcat and Viper are each visual perfection: one brutally handsome, the other graceful and elegant. One a marksman and brawler, the other deadly with a blade.

[@cosmicjester6341]

I'd rate that mission a success. And the loss of the Tomcat is sad, but its RADAR was broken anyway xD

[@cookiemonsterdayz]

That's true. Did you notice the constant noise it produced. Oh... that was Jester....

[@echodelta2172]

The F-14D was the same age as the F-15E and built around approximately the same capabilities. The Strike Eagle remains one of the most important platforms for the USAF and new variants are still in production. The F-14 would have been no less useful, especially if it integrated modern tech.

[@zbee-nah-lah]

Just imagine the power of the AST-21 compared to the Strike Eagle

[@Hungary_0987]

It cost too much, too much repair… way too costly

[@doge151.]

tomcat with amramm, what a deadly beast

[@maximuskay1]

Cost of maintenance unfortunately makes the F-18 more logical. Love the F-14 though.

[@kilianortmann9979]

@@rapid13 AFAIK the main reliability problem with the Tomcat was not the swing wings but the avionics and systems. F-14 and F-15 had similar first flight dates but the Tomcat draws its heritage from the TFX program, basically 60s tech. A proper digital systems upgrade would have solved most of the reliability issues, the airframe lifespan was reported to be fantastic anyway.

[@ZedBanana8]

i used to draw pictures of the tomcat when i was 7 yrs old. would sit on the library floor and stare at pictures of the tomcat until i memorized it. from an emotional standpoint, it will always be my fave

[@laymanengineer7502]

The F-14 really is a remarkably beautiful machine!

[@groundpounder0541]

Imagine a modern cat with modern avionics, a new radar and fly by wire.....and a JHMCS

[@flexrification]

A phoenix that had received upgrades to its tracking hardware and software as well

[@groundpounder0541]

@@flexrification aye!

[@harryhunter3633]

Tomcat 21​@@groundpounder0541

[@Winterm00n333]

​@@flexrification Aim-174 🤔

[@FlyinBrian777]

A good friend of mine was a RIO in the Tomcat during the Iraq episode. He told me that the Tomcat never fared well against an F-16 in dogfights. Never, as in, ever. I introduced him to your channel, he told me he's impressed with the graphics realism and some aspects he felt are accurate. Thought I'd share.

[@glimftw7255]

Man the outside view at the flying by Tomcat at the begining. Its just gorgeous plane

[@meanman6992]

After the bomber was taken out, I’d expect any real crew to have headed home.

[@marklipsinic7916]

In a real-world scenario, GS would have had a wingman. And, that wingman would have engaged the escort bandits while the lead fighter engaged the bomber. Solo missions are not a thing.

[@meanman6992]

@@marklipsinic7916 well, that’s valid

[@Skyfighter64]

​@@marklipsinic7916still, once mission accomplished, little is to be gained from the extra risk involved with engaging the escorts. A live pilot and plane on your side is more valuable than more dead enemy pilots.

[@computernerd8157]

Not sure, I think they still would try to kill you in order to save ejected piolts unless it was too risky to do so.

[@Gargoloso]

@@marklipsinic7916 And also, in a real-world scenario there would have been more bombers and escorts.

[@masterseeker360]

The issue with the f 14 was always the maintenance and high skill level required to use its full potential compared to the f15 which could also carry more missles and was just more user friendly

[@WhiteTemplar01]

The F15 carried 8 missiles so did the F14. Recently the F15 has been upgraded to carry more, but not during the time both were active.

[@williammccarron5718]

The issue was maintenance hours required for flight hours.

[@sumdolt8948]

While true, modify the f15 to land on a carrier deck it's entire life and to comform to carrier space requirements and the f15 will have very similar problems. Your statement is correct, but you are comparing apples to oranges because of the realities of their environment

[@gwcrispi]

@@williammccarron5718 And the fact that maintenance had to be carried out in the hanger deck of an aircraft carrier.

[@heretolevitateme]

There was also the problem that Dick Cheney was owned by Lockhead and Boeing and the Tomcat was made by Grumman

[@Overlord1-1]

Man, I miss Jester punching out for no reason at all 🤣

[@rickyal9810]

Yeah, that was classic 😂

[@lucax2300]

I remember having an Algebra/Geometry teacher who had served and flown in the F4 Phantom. One day, my buddy Kyle was asking him why the military retired the F14 Tomcat. The teacher said something about outdated weapon systems and the overall agreement that the newer F/A-18 was more practical for the Navy or something. Was like half a lifetime ago.

[@longrange270]

Now you gotta float within eyesight of the dude that shot you down 😂

[@OgKamoGaming]

I’d love to see how it would stand up with either modern missiles or a skilled RIO. If it even had an updated TWS radar, would the Phoenix’s be even more deadly?

[@fix0the0spade]

What would be really cool is seeing a modernised F-14 carrying AIM-120s. For less weight than 4 Phoenixes the F-14 could carry 10 AIM-120Ds. Against the mythical 6 Phoenix loadout the F-14 could carry 12 AIM-120s and 4 AIM-9s, again with weight to spare. Despite a reduction in maximum range (160km vs 185km) that would be a seriously frightening missile truck. Even carrying a 6 + 4 load the drop in weight would give a worthwhile increase in the F-14's performance.

[@OgKamoGaming]

@@fix0the0spade They halted the use because of cost to maintain, however modern material and fabrication processes have come a long way. I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be much more costly to maintain than any other modern airframe.

[@Wolfe351]

@@OgKamoGaming They are finding that the F18 superbugs are wearing out faster than earlier 18Cs for exactly that reason! The compsites structures fatigue more quickly than earlier airframes in a Naval environment

[@OgKamoGaming]

@@Wolfe351 That’s what Oceangate thought is. Lol

[@JoeM-TS2-OCSO-Ret]

Glad to see you are rocking the Jolly Rogers logo! The only one that should be allowed on the Tomcat.

[@pgtmr2713]

I'm the opposite. There were so many cool squadron logos and paint schemes that aren't remembered. While VF-103 had one of the top paint schemes there was something fun about the VF-31 Tomcatters. Also VX-9 Vampires all gloss black with the Playboy bunny on the tail. Black Aces, Tophatters.

[@v8makoshark]

Just noted the 500K - congrats GS

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you very much

[@mrgoober6320]

There is nothing more beautiful than an F-14 with the skull and crossbones.

[@4rnnr_as]

9:41 is beautiful. And that first notch where you dived towards the ocean...man I was gripping my mouse you were going to fast!

[@Stinger522]

Apart from getting shot down at the end, this mission was too perfect for the Tomcat. Those foankers were more than likely SU-27s. To really answer the question, put it up against SU-35s packing R-37s, SU-57s in VLO mode and J-20s. In this day and age, I would still pick the F-35 and the Super Hornet as my go to naval fighters.

[@Karadjanov]

I get the F-35 but the Hornet?! The Hornet is without a doubt the most overrated plane in history

[@Stinger522]

@@Karadjanov At least keep it until the F/A-XX is ready.

[@herrzimm]

Well, YEAH, the F14 WAS retired "too soon". But only when you take into account that it was done so more for cost-cutting purposes than for several generations of "upgrades" that would have been taken to keep it up to date until a new "platform" could have come out. I honestly think that it could be still used TODAY given the proper updated equipment, most importantly a MODERN missile package with modern radars in a more ATG (Air to Ground) role than "fighter" capacity.

[@timonsolus]

Obviously, the Iranians still use theirs today. Around 20 are still FMC (fully mission capable). Most have received modernisations of Iranian origin.

[@Valorius]

The F-14D was a phenomenal fighter bomber. And fighter. And brand new. With brand new engines and avionics. It was a political move.

[@Valorius]

@@fredmdbud and that is a completely irrelevant point to the fact that the f14d was a brand new aircraft that was extremely effective and would still be extremely effective today with typical upgrades over time. Your post is a perfect example of the straw man Concept in action

[@thunderboltcougar5626]

@@Valorius Correct! The problem was never about the airplane to begin with, they want to put Grumman out of bussiness started just prior to '78 & they'r succeeded.

[@draghoverde]

@@thunderboltcougar5626 if they wanted Grumman out of business (and then succeded) then explain B-2 and B-21 existence

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@MaciejRM]

@GrowlingSidewinder why You shoot first Phoenix not in suoersonic? Try this mission with some live and good RIO

[@2br2br32]

Warbirds vs. Whirlybirds. Maybe let @CasmoTV colab...

[@MacVerick]

Imagine the Tomcat instead of the Growlers… The Meower

[@jessicagray8852]

You successfully defended your carrier group, what more can you ask for?

[@Drewdown382]

Damn straight it was still useful! Modern upgrades to airframe, avionics, and engine would have made her into a beast. Retired wayyy too soon.

[@LT_WARWOLF]

You almost have 500k subscribers, way to go!

[@MrVrucina]

F-14 has always been my favorite aircraft and always wished for Super Tomcat....what a beast that would of been!

[@DarthGandalftheBlack]

A modernized Tomcat would be terrifying af….

[@nutrenicspadi5696]

CONGRATULATIONS on half a million subs!!! Well done, you produce amazing quality work, light and easy to watch, excellent narrations, informative but highly amusing. Here's to the next half million subs!

[@pcboii2787]

congrats on 500k subs! what a milestone!

[@verfugbarkite]

I have a very subtle yet persistent feeling that GS is heart, head, and soul, a Tomcat pilot.

[@jporter504]

I don't know if the Tomcat would still be relevant today but I do know that the aircraft that replaced it is very relevant. In fact, a variant of the Super Hornet performs the air to air role, air to ground role, electronic countermeasure role (Growler), and the refueling role. After the Hornet was retired and until the F-35 was recently introduced, nearly every fixed wing aircraft on the modern carrier was a variant of the Super Hornet. I think an argument can be made that it is the most versatile aircraft ever to serve on a U.S. nuclear carrier.

[@noiwonttellyoumyname.4385]

Just because you can force your foot into a shoe doesn't mean it's a good fit. The super hornet is a downgrade in every mission area from the aircraft that it replaced.

[@jporter504]

@@noiwonttellyoumyname.4385 So the Tomcat was a better air refueler? It was better at electronic warfare? Better at air to ground missions? What is was best at was fleet defense. It was also possibly the best looking airplane I have personally seen up close. It was also advanced for its time with the variable swept wings. But that technology has been surpassed by modern designs that do the same thing without complex moving systems.

[@rickykurniawann]

@@noiwonttellyoumyname.4385would it still be a ‘downgrade’ if you could launch more sorties with more aircraft availabilities? don’t think so. If the Tomcats are still around after the Navy got its budget constraints post-Obama era, the carrier air wing would have very low rate of aircraft readiness.

[@novavolex5568]

Great video as usual! Congrats on the 500k! Well-deserved and plenty more to come.

[@rays.5764]

Can you collab with others to give the perspective of the rear seater and their job?

[@AndrewGraves-wv1lt]

I'd like to think a truly modernized Tomcat would be AMRAAM and -9X capable. But like I said the other day; another successful Tomcat video, more proof it is capable in modern engagements

[@Hungary_0987]

You sure?

[@Reaper_03-01]

Super Tomcat 21 would have used the same radar as the F-15E, so it would have most likely been capable of carrying AMRAAMs and 9Xs.

[@echs457]

idk about that one bub. maybe if you're fighting soviet era migs of other tomcats

[@jinroh516]

another successful video will make Iranians smile

[@giovannibattistarossi6778]

This Skull Squadron livery (Macross reference?) is simply stunning 😮

[@dexter7954]

Fighting 103 livery

[@terrymathews7012]

Macross was a nod to real life, not the other way around.

[@shadowrainexia]

Macross' Skull Squadron was a Final Countdown reference originally

[@shadowrainexia]

@@dexter7954 I prefer the original Fighting 84 one

[@giovannibattistarossi6778]

@@terrymathews7012 Easy dude Didnt know, good to know. Either way is fantastic

[@DaftDrunk24]

I'm so proud of you for your diligence lately around dropping tanks

[@whatever1618]

I appreciate the coverage of terminology. I like the reminders and I'm glad newcomers to the channel get to hear the explanations.

[@Hazz17]

Congrats for 500K 🎉🎉🎉

[@TrickyD-f7r]

Congratulations on 500K subs; well earned. Wishing you many more and thank you for your content!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank YOU much appreciated

[@johnbingham9241]

Need to upgrade Jester, seriously

[@potatonamedtate6727]

Would love to see TacView brought back for some videos like this! Really miss that post fight breakdown you used to do

[@wurfyy]

I think he chooses not to because this would demonstrate just how incompetent the Flanker pilots were in this case.

[@jmichos]

You couldn’t get a lock because you were flying over the Bermuda Triangle

[@rimfire2642]

Don't know performance was as much a factor of the 50 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight time.

[@zSwax]

Congrats to 500k❤🎉

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank u very much

[@redjaypictures4528]

From my research, the main reason the tomcat got binned was because it was a MASSIVE pain in the ass to repair it if anything broke, though i do think it’d be useful for the navy to have it again, with how many bombs you could strap to it, you’d essentially be giving the navy its very own strike eagle

[@therocinante3443]

Now give the F-14 F-35 engines!

[@michaelj4009]

Seems like the tomcat could have benifitted from a F15 radar upgrade. Good video.

[@XiaOmegaX]

The eventual AN/APG-71 was pretty baller, by all accounts

[@WhiteTemplar01]

With the size of the F14s nose it could have a monster of a radar if it got upgraded, better then the F15.

[@Miratesus]

The radar on the F-14D was the most powerful fighter radar until the introduction of the F-22

[@WhiteTemplar01]

@Miratesus Imagine what a modernized F14 would be able to have, since it has more room than the F22.

[@ghostrider1827]

The D model did have the 71 radar...

[@m3dicated]

thank you for daily uploads! very entertaining stuff

[@axised001]

imagine this weird situation where two jet pilots shoot each other down in like a kilometer range over the sea. both bail, both fall into the sea, both wait for help..? keep fighting with small arms? decree peace? very very weird situation

[@DamagerZeOptimus]

You are pretty much describing Paths Of Hate lol

[@zTheBigFishz]

The main problem with the Tomcat was the lack of a pervasive avionics bus. It was wired pt to pt except for a few subsystems late in the development

[@drewnuzz9793]

Thank u for pointing out the instruments and what u r reading helps me learn

[@telecleez]

I found sometimes when the horizontal PAL doesn't work if you switch to vertical it will see the target. Also Mission Accomplished you took out the main target and escorts and you survived the hit. CSAR will pick you and Jester up....and Jester gets another hole punched in his frequent rescue card....two more and he gets a cookie.

[@dreaminknight]

Of ccourse. With the new built D and hypothethic ST2000 etc, the mainenace hours would drop and you have a very efficient and deadly 4.5 gen jet.

[@B10Flipster]

VF-103 "Jolly Rogers" Oceana, Virginia

[@SSMan-jo6tf]

When the Tomcat was stowed on deck with wings fully swept back it just has that beautiful angry look like “try me”

[@Ezpenzo]

Impressive! Easily no damage mission if you got your wingman. We all love Tomcat, most beautiful and iconic design.

[@georgevanhoose6333]

The imperium does not require you to return to your base, only that the enemy does not return to his.

[@perryrush6563]

8:27 ahhh. That's what happened. "don't worry Jester. I'll get you home" Just like the "and we should be good..." Boom

[@johnbingham9241]

The Tomcat was retired too soon. Could have donean upgrade to the f-14 to the f-14e, or f model.

[@LorTinooo]

I tried hitting my F6 button to see the missle and forgot this was a video

[@johnennis7173]

Imo....we shouldn't have retired the Tomcat yet. It was still a capable n lethal platform. All we needed to do was update it. If we are still flying B52s we could still fly the Tomcat. I like the Tomcat more than the Hornet. But yes.... Tomcat was retired too soon.

[@warning641]

People don't seem to realize that the F-14 would've been upgraded tons if it was never retired. So many things would've been changed that it would still probably be super viable today

[@astromos]

I have a request: F-16 vs Mirage 2000 but you're in the Mirage explaining one circle tactics.

[@Productive-RC]

The only problem is that you didn’t get jester home, he should be fired anyway.

[@taitai4993]

I just went to a museum and saw the tomcat(not the first time) but the size of it still impresses me. It give me a chance to rethink of the capability of the tomcat

[@SteelBlueVision]

Wowsers! What an ending! The last 15-30 secs made the video.

[@alderwolf7687]

The problem with the F-14 was it's high cost of maintenance coupled with it's low FMC (Full Mission Capable) rate otherwise it was a very excellent aircraft. The problem it would face these days would be it's large radar cross section making it a fat juicy target at long range. There is no real reason the design could not be resurrected and massively updated.

[@Valorius]

That was only true for the legacy Tomcats. The brand new F-14D and rebuilt A+ models were as economical and reliable as any heavy fighter.

[@sety5591]

update it with stealth coating, datalink, and longer-range missile.

[@Stinger522]

​@@sety5591In order to make it stealthy, you would have to do away with the swept wings.

[@alderwolf7687]

@@Valorius True but even then maintenance cost remained high. A huge part of that was the variable sweep system. With todays technology, material science and electronics improvements those cost would be considerably mitigated.

[@Valorius]

@@alderwolf7687 bro don't talk to me about maintenance cost when the United States Navy threw away *tens of billions* of dollars on the Zumwalt and the LCS and is spending three times as much for Ford class carriers as a nimitz. I don't even want to hear it, it is not a rational argument. It is a DOD talking point. You know what is really wasteful? Retiring brand new aircraft which is what the F-14D's were. They were literally in production rolling off the line brand new.

[@gdrriley420]

had the F14 gone though a larger and more comprehensive modernization program in the 90s than the 25% B and D upgrades they could have made it into the late 2000s or early 2010s and then gotten a 2nd upgrade ditching the Phoenix and AGW-9/AGP-71 for AM-120D and AGP63/79 found on the F15/F18 super hornets. Quickstrike was a decent set of upgrades but it needed a fly by wire and therefore most core avionics and electronics upgrade.

[@operator0]

An updated Tomcat with modern avionics, and a pair of F-4XX engines would absolutely be an asset to the current carrier battle groups. More reliable, less maintenance and much deadlier.

[@nzKnut]

Would be a really effective ship killer too

[@adey88splace]

The colouring of the plane reminds me of a movie involving time travel.

[@Andy_Novosad]

The Final Countdown.

[@truthseeker9454]

This has become a daily routine: 1. GS posts excellent video. 2. I see it and click "Like." 3. Then I watch it.

[@702BattleBorn]

Yo GS, mission accomplished. Great way to enter the weekend. F14...Gone before her time. Enjoy the helicopter ride back to the CV with the rescue swimmer. Thanks for the vid. Have a pleasant day. Cheers.

[@BellaZuikaku4785]

Hey I that ending reminded me of something. I heard an F14 once had one of its wings not operational and it still managed to land. Even I think a 15 had its wing shot or broke off and it manage to land. I heard a story like that, just wasn’t sure which one it was

[@P_Mann]

Would like to see this sort of thing with the F14D, maybe a reasonably modernized version, as that’s the plane that should be in inventory if still in use.

[@patrickdavis8271]

Taking out the Tupalov 22 (nuclear bomber) was the win. The two Flankers was icing on the cake! Great video GS!

[@c2dvr]

The F-14 once had the beyond visual range with the phoenix weapon system

[@tuunaes]

Could have given one Phoenix for escorts half way during guiding first one toward bomber. TWS track and guidance would have allowed Phoenix to close target fighter without early alert leaving little evasion time with head on course. Tomcat's design goal was hitting multiple enemies, and already from range instead of letting them close, which was far head of its time.

[@cj41079]

We need refresher like Strike Eagle.....F14 Thundercat lol ❤

[@Krhys1]

Always loved the Tomcat since I saw TopGun when I was a kid. What an amazing aircraft.

[@MrSomethingdark]

It's an X-Wing. Ofc it would be useful!

[@uummmnocoolnames]

Unpopular opinion time: hindsight has proven the Navy correct in it's decision to retire the F-14. While the Tomcat and proposed Super Tomcat might have been far more capable fighters than the Super Hornet ever was, in the twenty years since the F-14 was retired, the Navy has never NEEDED a jet more capable than the Super Hornet. Instead of wasting hundreds of millions, if not billions, on further development, production, and maintenance of a jet that would've never actually gotten the chance to really stretch its wings, I'm perfectly fine with the fact they spent less on a "good enough" workhorse until the F35 came online.

[@aidanwilliams9452]

Exactly, it's been one of the most versatile and reliable aircraft

[@the_stew-jj8gv]

can you do a lightning vs lightning (f-35 vs p-38)

[@caseysaunders2137]

I love the F14 variants. I've far from perfected it but dig it !!

[@Strigon008]

Can confirm that Jester died when that missile hit. He suddenly stopped talking, lmao.

[@ianchoi버디]

Please make a vid with KF-21 Boramane!

[@aaronliddell4280]

I see Tomcat content, I instantly hit like 👍

[@lawrenceschuman5354]

Still useful? Yes. But it was taking a lot of maintenance to keep those planes airworthy.

[@LimitlessAir]

So close to 500k!!!!!!!!!

[@jamesdavis4307]

An updated F-14D/ST-21 with AIM-54s for the bomber and AIM-120Ds for fighters could be scary good

[@cl4998]

The lethality/affectiveness of the f14 is irrelevant to the government, it all comes down to affordability. Congress saw that the f14 was too costly relative to other similar jets of the time, and decided it was time to retire and replace them. Whether that was a good decision, or not is up for debate.

[@Master_champ_24]

It's surprising that f14 radar took so long to lock a flanker

[@Raseffs]

Remember GS, it's not the plane it's the pilot

[@QbutNotTheQ]

Success? Depends. How cold is the water?

[@themuaddib]

The F-14 would still be a *very* powerful naval air superiority/multirole fighter if it had the same development arc the F-15 has had. It might have had to trade the Phoenix for the AMRAAM at some point as its primary weapon, but there's no reason an upgraded Tomcat with modern systems wouldn't be completely viable.

[@noiwonttellyoumyname.4385]

D-model was ready to make the trade. AMRAAM was certified to fly on it, but since they'd already decided to retire the Tomcat entirely, they never bothered with pushing the software updates to the fleet to make it work.

[@wernerc.432]

Mission Accomplished GS.

[@dirklangohr]

You promised to Get Jester home safely tho :/

[@jamesd4013]

NICE! The radar and Jester let you down on that one for sure.

[@0013bluejay]

GS, I know you don't like to fight the mirage, but it would be cool to see new vid of you fighting it while in the tomcat!

[@PBYblackcat]

Would love to see a Spitfire vs P51 video since you’ve been on a WWII kick lately. Love the content! Any video with the tomcat and I click instantly

[@timonsolus]

Spitfire should win easily. The only advantage the P-51 had over the Spitfire was range.

[@timonsolus]

@@PBYblackcat : No, I’m just a Spitfire fanboy. Best (piston engined) fighter of WW2 (in a dogfight).

[@PBYblackcat]

@@timonsolus Fair enough, I retract my previous statement.

[@deanschneider8775]

Thanks for explaining stuff to newbs like me. Tactics and terms. Much appreciated.

[@skyknight1414]

I think the trade was a little more on your side. With the size of the warhead on those phoenixes, both Flanker pilots are more likely dead than not.