Is the New Springfield Echelon Good?

[@matthewmaurin9054]

People shit talk this gun because it’s Springfield, but if this was a glock Gen 6, people would cream their pants.

[@kenstirling5348]

Bro so much truth

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

Springfield is anti-2A. There is a lot of reason to talk shit. Give your money to a company that supports your rights.

[@kayshell66]

Glock doesn't have a long track record of being ass. There's things about a Glock that are ass, but if you're a good shooter it doesn't matter. Springfields have been functionally and reliably ass for years. Glocks don't have problems with broken firing pins, springs, and cracked frames. Use your brain.

[@bdkj3e]

​@@kayshell66I've literally never heard about them having an issue with frames cracking, I did a search and could only find about 4 cases and exactly one picture on Google images, I did the same for Glock and found dozens. But I also saw Walther, CZ, H&K, and others. They're all plastic guns, molding plastic is hard and some of them are going to crack no matter what, as long as they warranty it properly.

[@kayshell66]

@@bdkj3e You should actually click the links to see why they cracked so you can add context to your reasoning. Frames should NEVER (not sometimes) crack under normal use or mild bumps. The broken firing pins and broken springs that I also mentioned are the most dangerous catastrophic failures that XDM’s in particular have suffered from. Combine that with Springfields philosophy as a company and it’s an easy “don’t buy”.

[@paintballinfoo]

Love this style of video. Raw, funny, interactive, and statistical data. Everything we like all in one, with a little comic relief.

[@Roboticdoughbull3k]

Act not participate in filling orders from Mr niche and get a complementary screw kit, that's right all of it...dont forget to wear your women's stretch jeans fellas.

[@aishefasani5635]

Lol oh wow@@Roboticdoughbull3k

[@williamle8300]

Yes, this is the right tone and style for this kind of video. Easily consumable!

[@rocinante03]

Funny, haha, that comment is more laughable than the whole video. He should have skipped it and gone to his "board meeting".

[@RangeRulerz]

Exactly! 😂

[@Puddin127]

It’s def the best pistol Springfield has made and the fact that it’s modular like a 320 and doesn’t blow up is pretty neat. Y’all should support this.

[@Ambient129]

Springfield doesn't make them, they import them from Croatia and sell them.

[@starscream4282]

It’s still Springfield Armory’s weapon platform. It’s not based on the Croatian design. Either way, SA’s weapon.

[@sikertsok225]

​@@starscream4282Bruh, here in Europe these are sold as the HSProdukt Echelon. Everything is the exact same just comes with Euro border compliant mags and doesn't say Springfield Armory anywhere. This is still a product of HSProdukt, just like the 'Hellion' aka HSProdukt VHS-2.

[@starscream4282]

@@sikertsok225 I understand that brother. I’m just saying the management of SA are the ones who wanted to change the platform due to them losing out on contracts simply because LE and military had no interest in a grip safety on their pistols. They wanted to design a new platform and SA goes over what they want in the new designs. The design credit goes to all involved. The XD platform existed before SA got involved. The Echelon was a collaborative design. I do understand the weapons are made by HS. They make some great quality weapons imo.

[@sikertsok225]

@@starscream4282 As far as I know it, it's been in the works on the Croat side for 4+ years. They were fucked over for Hungarian, French and Slovakian contracts cause they had a grip safety, so for round 2 of the Hungarian trials they brought 2 prototypes of the Echelon. In the end the CZ P-07/09 family won, but if HSP had a better schedule for delivery, they would have taken the contract easily.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I've got a couple thousand through mine now. It's pretty solid. 10k will be the spot to see.

[@CreationsQuarry]

Still running well?

[@kwisatzhaderach1458]

​@@CreationsQuarry That Ain't Bad has a 25k round review. SOLID.

[@SpyderWebbX]

I shoot M&Ps pretty well and have shot the Echelon close to 2K rounds. The Echelon has a short trigger reset, straight trigger, fun to shoot fast. Trigger pull is little bit lighter than a Glock. The thumb ledge actually helps. If you are used to 1911s and M&Ps, one thing you’ll have to remember is to bend your wrist down from the draw when aiming and finding the dot because it has the same Glock grip angle. If you’re used to the Glock grip, then it’s exactly the same for you. I hope Springfield will come out with a grip module with 1911 grip angle. Also, on reloading, usually the slide closes automatically. I usually don’t like that because I have an M&P bodyguard that does that also and sometimes the slide automatically slams shut during a reload but it didn’t actually picked up and load a round in the chamber. On the Echelon, it never failed to load a round in the chamber when slide auto-releases. It doesn’t matter if you only have 1, 3 round or a full mag, if the slide closes on reload, it always picked up a round and chambered it in my experience.

[@penilescab]

My p365xl does the same thing with the locked back slide cycling itself when putting in a mag. but after lubing it, polishing the feed ramp and breaking in the gun/mags at around 500-1000 rounds, it seems to reliably feed at least

[@korvenburns1135]

Glock fan boys are annoying 🙄 . They compare everything to a Glock like that’s the only gun out there. “ this rifle doesn’t shoot like my Glock”. Compare the Echelon to the XD, Mod 2, or XDM.

[@SpyderWebbX]

@@korvenburns1135 In their defense, the Echelon actually shoots and feels like a Glock. The XDs have a higher bore axis, so even pointing and aiming the XD and Echelon is different. The Echelon is what a Glock 17 would be after you send it in to a custom shop.

[@hgkar]

I agree. It seems to me like the grip angle is slightly different though. For example I don’t like a red dot on my Glock, but the echelon feels more comfortable to me. Maybe ur right and it’s just the undercut or something. I really like the echelon though.

[@SpyderWebbX]

@@BitCuration About 2K rounds, dropping the 20 and 17 round mags on concrete (indoor range), not one problem with the the mags. If you install the mag extender wrong, you sneeze, the mag springs open and goes undone. You install it correctly and the base locks up and won't come apart. Unlike Glock, the Echelon spits out empty mags like an old car cassette player that wants to put a black eye on the rear seat passengers. Mags don't drop out, they get spit out. No need for weighted mag bases. With Glock, some mags sometimes stick and wont easily drop free.

[@RenoMay]

A gun doesn’t work with a different manufacturer holster????? Woahhhhh

[@762x69]

Stop it man, he's gonna see you 😂😂

[@luislara3379]

I stopped watching the video after this dumbass argument, oh no! I hate my Motorola phone because my old Samsung case didn't work! dafuq!

[@my8room]

Springfield Echelon not fitting into a Glock holster is NOT an issue with the gun. That make literally no sense, regardless of whether the company based it off a Glock or not, it's still not a Glock, and was not intended to be.

[@texasforever6950]

Lots of pistols fit Glock stuff. It would make sense to at least try if it’s gonna be a Glock with an FCU (which is what it is)

[@stealthswim223]

Glock is a different company. I wouldn’t expect ps5 games to work in an Xbox, pistols should be viewed the same for holsters.

[@kayshell66]

The point was there's a lot of guns that aren't Glocks that do fit Glock holsters. Especially Safariland holsters that are essentially gun buckets that accept many guns they're not "made" for. That is a bit of a knock on a gun if it's dimensions are so specific/unique, it can't fit into holsters that a lot of other guns can.

[@outoforder6600]

​@kayshell66 that's not a knock. The gun came out with safariland holsters for it to begin with. It's litterally a non issue

[@billdauterive1180]

It's like people wanting a "not an AR15" and moaning about being non parts interchangeable with AR's or not taking AR mags, no shit It's not an AR.

[@TexanApollyon]

A Glock competitor doesn't mean it's a Glock clone and should fit Glock holsters, that's the dumbest thing to be upset about. Come on Lucas, you're better than that

[@djwhiterhino]

He really isn't. Dude whines about everything

[@laurenceb5516]

but he is kinda right but also not

[@YTM117]

No, he's not right at all lmfao.

[@Jockrates]

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to fit into the MOST COMMON holsters on the market? Just seems like a good business decision IMO. So many people (me included) are going to be turned off by the fact that the gun will require a new holster or set of holsters, while essentially being the same as my Glock. Take a look at the PSA DAGGER. It’s a Glock clone, with upgrades (stippling, slide cuts, RMR cut) and it fits in Glock holsters AND takes Glock mags. Not saying every gun needs to do that, but a Glock clone clearly can benefit from comparability with existing guns. Logistics are just easier.

[@djwhiterhino]

@@Jockrates if ya can't afford a 30 dollar holster then don't buy a gun lol

[@jkamp]

I'm really liking the Echelon. It's a huge improvement over the XD/XDM stuff. I expect Apex will release a trigger for it soon and that should fix the shortcomings in that area. The optic mount is excellent and the big, chunky, aggressive serrations are exactly my cup of tea. I think it will continue to become more popular as it distinguishes itself from the stigma of the XD series.

[@Osprey1994]

I felt the trigger, it doesn't need anything.

[@jkamp]

@@Osprey1994I’ve felt the trigger and shot it. I didn’t say it NEEDS it. But it would be better with a better trigger. Just like the M&P, Glock, etc. Factory configurations are a compromise of mass production, costs, tolerance stacking, and safety. There are improvements to be made, absolutely. Doesn’t mean it’s not shootable as is.

[@rolandtimario2362]

Apex already have non ambi mag release!!

[@RedRider2001]

The XD series (nor the XDm series) has no stigma. Maybe the Springfield brand does but I was over that a long time ago.

[@jkamp]

@@RedRider2001yes they absolutely do. They break wayyy too often. The most common is the stupid roll pin toss holds the striker in. And when it snaps it locks up the striker making the gun inoperable until fixed. It’s a known issue. Springfield customer service would send a handful of replacement roll pins out free of charge because it’s a known failure point. Talk to any trainer. XD series is one of the most common failures in classes.

[@RafaelRodriguez-de9nk]

I have an idea... now this might sound crazy... but, hear me out. TRY A HOLSTER DESIGNED FOR THE SPRINGFIELD ECHELON

[@ashbyt1]

Brilliant!!

[@weekendshooters4083]

100% agree with you and it's not a Glock clone it's it own designed id say it steels from the SIG more than anything with the chassis system

[@ethanmitchell3439]

My impression of the Echelon is more of a Glock form factor and low bore axis with Sig p320 style FCU. Not necessarily a gen 3 Glock reimagined.

[@texasforever6950]

This was my impression of it as well. Basically a better P320 (but that’s cause I’m a Sig hater)

[@acrienteangelic1862]

​@@texasforever6950 I mean if it doesn't fire out of battery, break parts often, doesn't have a safety issue, and the frame doesn't just snap from light impacts it's already better than a P320 🤣

[@SpyderWebbX]

Design a Glock 17 for the world's military and police, with interchangeable backstraps, suppressor height sights and straight trigger like the M&P, form factor and grip angle like the Glock (no need to completely re-train units who already had Glocks), FCU like the Sig (easier for the armorer to fix and upgrade issued sidearms) and make optic mounting universal so that foreign government units don't have to do additional government bidding to purchase 3rd party optic mounting plates from the USA. Glocks and HS Produkt handguns are issued to some police and military in South East Asia.

[@mattmurphy7030]

@@acrienteangelic186215,000 rounds through my M18 and I haven’t even heard of any of those issues actually happening to someone

[@sonicslow995]

If you own a p320 or echelon you need to put down the nra magazine and stop being a fudd

[@CompetitiveCupcakeUSPSA]

I have an Echelon and put it to my own test, I have been running it as a match pistol with the 507 Comp and it made it to 1,922 rounds before it had its first light primer strike (this was done as it came out of the box with no maintenance, it had never been lubed or cleaned). The internals of the Echelon are almost identical to the Sig Sauer P320 and have very little in common with Glock. It is what the P320 should've been in my personal opinion.

[@Mykaelous]

I'd blame the ammo on that one. I see many light primer strikes, often because the primer is seated too deeply. A 1 in 2000 chance of a bad primer seating depth is certainly within their qc.

[@CompetitiveCupcakeUSPSA]

@@Mykaelous it is possible but with the amount of fouling and buildup in the striker channel I figured that could've been the cause, still I'm very satisfied with 1 light strike as the only misfire in 2,000 rounds. I would trust it as a duty pistol but will probably just continue to run it as a match pistol and will probably maintain it a little more, I've only cleaned it the one time and I'm now in excess of 3,200 rounds on it and that still has been the only failure.

[@azcompetitiveshooter]

@@Mykaelousyou actually want the primer seated deep as possible so the striker spring reaches its maximum striking force by going all the forward

[@Mykaelous]

@@azcompetitiveshooter Not if the primer is seated so deeply that inadequate percussion is generated to set off the charge. There is a minimum of deformation required to set it off.

[@azcompetitiveshooter]

@@Mykaelousi get thet but on 99% of most brand brass casing, a primer can only be seated so deep that all modern striker and hammer fired pistols dont have an issue with it.

[@TacticalTimmyGoldandSilver]

Cool to see just ripping through more training rounds in 2 hours than most LEO do in an entire year. Keep up the hard work and training hard!

[@ald.3500]

My agency gives us 20 rounds to warm up then we shoot a 40 round course once a year. So he shot more rounds than I’ll shoot in 16 years

[@TacticalTimmyGoldandSilver]

@@ald.3500 Yeah wild and sad to say. I'm just glad so many people elect to train on their own.

[@JESUS-IS-THE-MASTER-OF-MANKIND]

What's a leo?

[@TacticalTimmyGoldandSilver]

@@JESUS-IS-THE-MASTER-OF-MANKIND LEO stands for law enforcement officer. Basically encompasses all sheriffs, cops, and other law enforcement agencies.

[@adamgrimes820]

I’m rooting for the echelon. I’d like to see every modern firearm be reliable. We’ve been building striker fired handguns long enough that manufacturers should know by now which designs work and which ones don’t. Hopefully the next 10 years brings nothing but competitive reliable pistols.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I saw a 2023 era S-A Echelon 9mm "front line" price. It had added factory night sights. ✔️ I'm left handed & like the S-A design but this gun needs to work out the bugs, get smooth, work flawless. I currently own a great 1.0 version PDP Compact with night sights, 🚔 model.

[@robertfrapples2472]

Mine has been flawless with all ammo. I have about 1200 rounds through it so far. With +P ammo, the trigger does get a bit snappy on the finger. No issues with falling mags or failing slides. Very light, comfortable to shoot and extremely accurate. My Holosun mounted with ease and has been issue-free as well. Although I probably won't ever swap to a different grip, it's great to have that option. It is my second favorite pistol now, only to my 1911 race gun.

[@tsflyer61]

Lucas maxed out on Reign and just kiilin it! Video and editing is outstanding! Great work guys!

[@mrm8556]

😘👍

[@BehindTheGoldenCurtain]

Everybody has an opinion on Springfield one way or the other, but the fact is that they have been producing really good pistols in the last few years.

[@griftinggamer]

They don't produce anything....HSProdukt makes all their polymer guns, and Imbel and others make their 1911s. I heard someone who totally wasn't verified as a former Springfield employee say Sometimes they add a final couple parts on 1911 to call them made in USA, when really they arent, entirely imported and assembled here. A total joke.

[@JustinD-n5k]

Twenty four years ago I was issued (for the first time) a Glock 17 to replace my S&W 4506. This happened a few months after becoming a rookie patrol officer. The 4506 was accurate and very durable. It also felt like a boat anchor in the holster because it weighed over 3 lbs with a full magazine. The 22-23 oz Glock 17 was a very welcomed change for me. A sidearm like this Echelon would have been great too. Pistols have evolved greatly since the late 90's. Six years from retirement and the only thing that has changed is a bump up to a gen5. My advice would be carry what you know and shoot well. The same could be said for home defense weapons. Don't let other people tell you what they think you should buy. There are lots of tacti-cool boys, showing off super cool and ultra fast reloads, and really fast shooting of stationary paper targets on ranges they have memorized. It looks cool for the camera and that is pretty much the extent.

[@mghegotagun]

18:33 cameraman taking the brass bukakke just to make sure the SRO isn't interfering. What a bro.

[@aaronloggins3904]

I’ve heard a bunch of really good feedback for the echelon. We’ll see how this goes.

[@dennisboulais7905]

You are making a false comparison. If you buy a new pistol, expect to buy a new holster for it.

[@nurick]

Imagine assuming the echelon as a glock replacement and complain if the holster for glock is not compatible 😂😂😂

[@trentmckenzie343]

@@nurickYeah that’s one thing I don’t agree with on this “review”. I don’t think this gun is worth the price tag and I’m not a huge fan of Springfield, but it does seem like a decent gun.

[@OffensiveProduction1]

I've never liked any of the Springfields. Then this came out and an owner of a local ffl and a handgun instructor was telling me how they really liked this one. I might check one out.

[@sammyg4806]

I want one as well, but might wait a year or two, until they iron any possible kinks, learned my lesson from the first batch of P365s 😂

[@OffensiveProduction1]

​@sammyg4806 lmfao facts. I love my sigs, but oh yeah, can't even argue that. Sigs real testing department is the customers, lol.

[@doctorgears9358]

Well considering this isn't Springfield's gun, you might like it. This is HS Produkt's gun, Springfield is just importing it for the US market.

[@OffensiveProduction1]

@doctorgears9358 yeah, exactly my point. just like their other guns...

[@rayparker9163]

I did get to shoot this at the local range. Despite it being very used and abused it shot great. Maybe others have had different experiences but I really enjoyed this pistol.

[@RedEyedJedi38]

I love that you show everything, the good and bad runs….super genuine and authentic and shows people how it is in real world, not just IG runs all the time. Great content as always Lucas!

[@1stinlaw917]

Only Lucas can say this trigger feels sluggish while shooting a new pistol and looking like a million bucks. I swear we take for granted how masterful he is with any handgun. Bravo Lucas keep it up, mastery is dead in America...but you are keeping it alive!

[@2bbooker]

Great review and content as usual. Love my Echelon. Will love it even more when T. Rex drops a holster for it!

[@Osprey1994]

HS Produkt did a good job. I just wish Springfield wasn't the importer. PS. Lucas, the Echelon has nothing to do with Glock. It's a competitor to the P320, and it just happens to have a low bore axis, and the gun will fit a 6390RDS, they were shipping them with safarilands.

[@doctorgears9358]

100% I'm hoping one day we'll see HS Produkt guns as just HS Produkt guns.

[@0Asterite0]

Cant be slam reloaded, it's shit

[@Osprey1994]

Cute. If birthday bumping is your jam, there are guns out there that will work great for you, CZ P10 being one of them.​ PS. I see what he meant about slam reloads. I haven't seen anyone else running into this problem...also, I just don't slam my mags, never had a need to.

[@Mralex3281]

What’s so wrong about Springfield being the importer?

[@misterh9556]

Lucas, this video has me literally laughing out loud. The edits…👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾💪🏾 the dial up…running iron sights instead, lining the plate up with the four little dimples.🤣🤣🤣

[@DJT-2024]

I agree. We all know that if he slowed down on the crack juice, he might be more accurate. But we don't watch this channel to see accuracy. We watch it for real-life testing and info. And all of the extras put in during the editing process, such as sounds and special effects. Love it and keep it up!

[@jon4827]

i was dead @17:11 i had to listen to it twice

[@limitlessluis]

Yup, echelon’s optic system superior. I have the FN 509 tactical which uses a plate. The exhelons plate-less system allows the optic to sit lower thus lower center of gravity, better co-witnessing (looks like with standard sights - not suppressor height). 😎

[@chltmdwp]

Fn is still better as it doesn't require loctite

[@brandonfindlay2249]

I just bought an Echelon, which is my first Springfield, after looking at Glock 45/34/47/17/19, M&P 5" PC, and several Sigs. I understand it throws a wrench in things, but I like that the trigger guard is enlarged a bit for those who wear duty gloves. Loved your vid.

[@v.german11b]

Me, being a huge fan of the Walther, Canik, CZ, Sig Sauer, and FN, I was hesitant to get a Springfield Echelon at first. That changed after watching several reviews by respected true experts (with legit military and police credentials and backgrounds) giving their own personal assessments on the Echelon. So, I decided to buy one. The Echelon is faaantastic!!! It is very accurate with a smooth trigger pull and it's quite pleasant to shoot. I love it! Nowadays, I carry it often with confidence. The Echelon is truly a great quality handgun at an affordable fair price. With that said, if you are a die-hard Glock fanatic loyalist, the Echelon (and no other handgun, for that matter) is "good enough" for you. "Nothing but Glock" cult followers can not accept change or competition. Last, I love Glock pistols, too. I own two. *I just have an open mind regarding the evolution of firearms.*

[@mrm8556]

👍

[@SickSensei223]

I was also skeptical, then I thought about Springfields politics and anti 2a stance. One night I was watching a stress test and ended up saying screw it and I ordered one. I took it to the range and before I knew it I had put over 300 rounds through the gun and I fell in love. I actually went there just to zero my RDS took 4 boxes and 5 filled mags bought 2 more expensive overpriced boxes from the range and WOW, I can tell you this is the flattest shooting pistol I've ever fired, and the recoil is so manageable it feels like I'm using a .22 idc who actually made it, croatia, springfield who cares, the Echelon is an AMAZING pistol.

[@Yay4IamCute]

RIP Gaston Glock.

[@Goob787]

Idk if the gun that good bruh

[@thejword72]

@@Goob787he actually passed away

[@robertwood4855]

Cool review bro ...remember when Springfield Armory supported the Firearms Dealer Licensing Act, which imposed additional regulations and fees on gun dealers in Illinois.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Glock 🇦🇹 does not "plate" metal mags with polymer. 🤔 Glock OEM lines the mag with metal then puts that in a polymer body.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

​@robertwood4855 yes but as The Yankee Marshal states, S-A did apologize. Also the CEO exec who set that scam up died ⚰️. Rock River Arms never said or did 💩. They could care less about ethics, values, 2A, business, gun owners.

[@jeremywatson9129]

Like most not a fan of winchester white box fmj, but when i tried the personal protection branded stuff i was pleasantly surprised at it. They must have better QC over the personal defense batches.

[@oskar6661]

While I never did any proper research on it - back when Wal-Mart was still selling ammo, etc., apparently Winchester has an entire separate facility/production line for pumping out cheap Winchester 'White Box'. So my guess is there could easily be a difference between various Winchester rounds/boxes.

[@toddm9501]

Shot white box winchester in my Canik. Never had an issue. I've shot various 9mm brands. Fmj, Hp, 115, 124, and 147 grain.

[@CiviTac]

@@toddm9501I’ve shot it out of glocks, m&p, kanik and sigs. Had issues with all of it. Probably due to certain batches. Almost all of it was hard primer related

[@Precocktrigger]

@@toddm9501your lucky my canik was struggling with it. Thought my canik was trash until I used my Glock and it did the same thing

[@mattmurphy7030]

@@CiviTacI’ve shot 10s of thousands of rounds of white box and never had a light strike. Glocks, sigs, HKs, FNs

[@tacticallybrown7191]

Lucas should get camera shots from above while running the drills around the walls and stuff. Drone footage would be super cool.

[@James_Bee]

Great idea. We know they utilize drones in their videos for their warehouse. Of course it would require a 3rd cameraman/drone operator to go along and get paid...

[@James_Bee]

I said 3rd, but I meant 2nd. I was including Lucas. Oops

[@cannonsmith184]

I waited so long to see Lucas follow up with a video on the P10c years ago. Didn't expect to see the Echelon vid dropping first lol

[@breckfreeride]

P10c is ok... PDP is better

[@doubleutubefan5]

@@breckfreeride PDP mentioned. Fellow Walther fan located

[@cannonsmith184]

Walther sure does feel good in the hand@@breckfreeride

[@jw5163]

@@breckfreeride i own both and prefer the p10c. not to mention it can be had for $300 - half the cost of pdp

[@breckfreeride]

@@jw5163 now sure... I was early adopter and the p10c wasn't that cheap... Still can't beat the trigger on the PDP or the V2 slide cut

[@chrisharris9710]

Gunsite, Glock, and Davidson’s has come out with a G45 duty setup sold exclusively through Davidson’s. I’m an 07 FFL and use Davidson’s as one of my distributors and recently picked up the Gunsite G45. I absolutely love it and would love to see you do one of these videos on it.

[@cscheatum]

I love my Echelon. Several hundred rounds with my optic, no issues. Accurate AF. Springfield nailed it with this one.

[@sikertsok225]

Yeah, if you are thrown back from every Government Contract you try for with the XD series, you will want to make a modern pistol quite fasts, but the guys at HSProdukt nailed it. These are awesome here in Europe as well, just a lot of money cause transport over the border takes a long time.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I can wait for a 2024 FDE or OD version.

[@gansior4744]

@@DavidLLambertmobile Already saw them in stores. One hella sexy gun, no joke

[@stevenfuchs2548]

Thanks Lucas, great video, great commentary, honest and clear. Loved the mag falling out, just funny and interesting. Not funny in real life but something to be aware of. Thanks again to you and your most excellent team! Hope you all have a happy and safe new year!

[@chipdadbo]

The mag fell out because he hit the mag release button

[@Presumedhook762]

So i bought a echelon about 5 months ago. I have about 500 rounds through it and i love it allot. The stand off device to allow you to push your muzzle into something and pull the trigger is amazing. The only kind of ( breaking point) I have found is the mag extension method. Dropping the mag the base plate would slip and the spring and extender plate would fly off. I still love my echelon but that is me personally.

[@TacticallyFitOfficial]

The extender is just put on incorrectly. Fix it and no issue. Lots of videos on this.

[@mrm8556]

​cticallyFitOfficial 👍

[@GamerVonSwagIII]

Not just shooting but not just blabing at a table and the editing is a perfect combo serious and silly. peak review.

[@EdwardOrnelas]

"Polymer frame" must be a Glock clone huh 🙄 In that case we should call the Glock a "HK VP70" clone

[@noahbthesavagegardener5146]

You guys consistently make some of the best and most informative content out there. Thank you!

[@jdm06types]

When you shoot 200K rounds with Glocks, you get T-Rex Arms - Lucas Botkin

[@TheDankCat127]

Honest Outlaw did a pretty extensive torture test for the Echelon on his channel and it did well. I’d say they’re g2g, but only time will tell if they truly hold up to brands like Glock and M&P. I still ain’t buying a Springfield lol.

[@doctorgears9358]

Springfield had borderline nothing to do with the firearm. It's more apt to say you don't want to give your money to Springfield. This is HS Produkt's gun, much like most of Springfield's repertoire that's actually good.

[@DD-qw4fz]

Its springfield only in name lol.

[@kresimirgrbavac4609]

Its HS produkt. An import and not made by Springfield.

[@watchyoutube9553]

Who care who made it whoever it was sig need to call them and learn how to make modular guns that’s not self shooting 💀

[@brandonkerr4349]

@@doctorgears9358and your not really giving your money to Springfield the gun shop u buy it from did that

[@allstarsalmeida]

Echelon in my opinion is better than Glock. I purchase my holster from We the People custom made according to my set up with weapon light and optic fits like a glove. Have fire nearly 1000 rounds no failure or hip ups recoil isn’t snappy either. My favorite gun right now training and carry.

[@karlchristie1856]

Talking about the Glock knuckle reminded me of how the English longbow men had altered skeletal structures from the muscular imbalance that constant training caused... Dedication to the craft!

[@Rb889]

Outstanding. Glad to see the editing team is having fun, too.

[@kennethmatthews9033]

First we had Garand Thumb, now we have Glock Finger!! I’m impressed with your dedication to training and reviewing. Kudos to the editor, the sound effects are great!

[@derekp1422]

It’s my favorite gun out of the box, that I’ve owned. Hopefully there is good aftermarket support to make it even better

[@RangeRulerz]

Your videos are seriously so good. Sometimes I watch them not because I’m directly interested in the topic itself, but because of the amount of edutainment they provide. Love this company 🙌🏻

[@LarsBars17]

I took one look at the Echelon and assumed that there would be no holster compatibility with Glock. Which should be a non-issue because every other pistol gets a pass in this department, it is assumed that every gun needs a specific holster made just for that gun. Did Springfield try to market Echelon as holster compatible with Glock?

[@thegunstudent]

I think he was trying to have 1negative comment lol

[@jackomalley3687]

I just bought the Springfield echolon 4.5 comp and its a total game changer. You cant wven compare a glock to this pistol. The port makes the feather weight gun seem like a much heavier gun. The ergo on the echolon is also way better

[@MrCannonls]

That optic mount idea is awesome. Similar to shadow systems but with recoil lugs. Nice. Also, they missed a massive opportunity by not fitting Glock holsters. If you’re patterning off Gen 3, why not access the huge market of people looking for something new that holsters ready?

[@JR-wo3sn]

Get off lucas nuts

[@DWCVasLo]

"cause I want too" that is all you needed to say - Im loving the new videos

[@TheStatesidemonk]

I love my Hellcat Pro. This seems like a duty/full size version of that. The modular firing system has a lot of promise, similar to that of the Sig 365, allowing for more grip options.

[@stealthswim223]

I want a compact version of the eschelon so bad

[@jonathannelson8663]

The hellcat pro is an excellent platform for sure.

[@jonathannelson8663]

@@stealthswim223get a hellcat pro

[@Harps555]

Same I love my hellcat pro it's my daily carry

[@MkArms1997]

Ooooh I just got the pro maybe a week ago , it’s amazing and the ergonomics are unmatched for a small handgun !

[@andrewng9977]

Glad to hear I’m not the only one suffering from light primer strikes with wbb. Doesn’t happen a lot of times but enough that I don’t really shoot wbb much anymore.

[@nickrucker3562]

had a case that made me think i needed to replace my striker spring, shit sucks

[@mattmurphy7030]

Tens of thousands of rounds of white box and I’ve never seen a light strike

[@SplatteredWRX]

One thing I notice when handling an echelon recently… well 2 things. The mag release wouldn’t settle back into place and would ride off center and would drop the mag unintentionally. Another thing I noticed was that the trigger was rubbing funny on the inside of the frame which would get caught up even after the trigger safety blade was flat. Just 2 things I’ve noticed to far

[@zachansen8293]

If that were a common problem it would be everywhere. Random mag drops are pretty much the second most disqualifying thing after bang/nobang issues.

[@lawoftheland5923]

sounds like a you issue, most everyone else has has no issues

[@rushhell5105]

The Modular part of the guns is great for countries where you have a 5 gun maximum. You can swap your pistol around in order to shoot a different discipline if you would like to. I do agree with the part think of what you want, buy it and use it. I loved the Sig 320 for the modularity and am sort of moving toward the M&P2.0 Competition because its allready full alloy and shoots as well or better.

[@tjsmkz9674]

Own a Hellcat Pro and an Echleon. Both are fantastic pistols

[@Asidebar]

Me too! Both are outstanding pistols.

[@spartan001_shadow]

personally i have a Springfield XDM but now i have a Sig p320 m17 and i love both guns.

[@Yellow_Flannel]

Glock: literally deforms your hand Other polymer handgun: doesn’t matter, it’s not a Glock.

[@Gbyerly0331]

Rofl.. classic Lucas "Because im not a hom-BEEP!)" I have been a huge fan of your shooting videos for a long time, im glad you are still at it!

[@audessy]

Thanks for doing this. I just picked mine up last week, but have yet to shoot it. I’m definitely interested in an OWB holster for it should you consider making one. Keep up the great work and Happy Mew Year!

[@lawoftheland5923]

Dara makes a great one. Lucas is just an idiot

[@acrienteangelic1862]

I've tinkered with a few of these now and every one the reset is just weak. I don't need a loud and clicky reset, but a very solid reset is a good indication that you have no issues with your connector or associated springs.

[@kenstirling5348]

It’s an interesting conundrum we’re in. I wouldn’t even consider this pistol and a few others because nobody makes a holster for them. Holster companies obviously can’t make a holster for a gun they don’t yet know will be popular. So there’s basically just a revolving door we’re stuck in. I actually think this is the main reason why Glock has been able to stay at the top of the mountain. It’s a pistol that has good infrastructure basically.

[@SpyderWebbX]

If you have a tactical light on your handgun, you can get a true universal holster that locks itself to the light instead of the gun. I got one from Werkz, and that one holster completely works with my different Olight models, M&P compact and full-size, Glock 19 and 17 and the Echelon. I also have a universal holster IWB from Safariland that works with all those above handgun models without the light.

[@TREXARMS]

Exactly. These days for a pistol to do well, it needs support of optics, lights, and holsters.

[@prototype3a]

The old chicken or taco problem.

[@riskyflash6812]

Safariland had holsters for it on their website the day it released; I have one for mine. Other companies are now starting to make them, too.

[@BrotheriZz]

Safari land does

[@cjfazio3012]

Use to like watching his videos but now all jacked up on energy drinks his true personality comes out he’s exhausting to listen to and watch!

[@AIaskan]

I haven’t had this spring field but i have a 9mm subcompact model 2 and a 45. full size model 2 both Springfield and I’ll tell you I’ve had probably 1000 go thru my 9mm and about 2000-3000 thru my 45 , I’ve had no issues what so ever , no Freeding issues no jamming issues no problems what so ever

[@Levi-wk2hg]

Add a zero to those numbers then get back to us.😂😂

[@AIaskan]

@@Levi-wk2hg I bought them both used aswell the 9mm didn’t have a scratch on it and the 45 definitely seen better days , if I’d guess there’s at least 3000 that went thru my 45 before I bought it

[@OliverGizmosisJones]

I think the big appeal of the modular handguns is for people who can't necessarily afford buying multiple guns each with their own expensive reddot, but one gun with one reddot that you can pick weather you want a full size or compact on your hip that day is much less expensive and more reasonable.

[@Silencer1620]

14:10 that's why I run suppressor high sights with optic. Never know when its going to die or fail. Even tho people say "it will last you years, no need to worry about it dying" well, in order for it to last for years, you need both optic and iron sights so that if it does die, you can ditch the optic and run irons and simulate an optic with both front and rear

[@drewross3221]

I have standard irons on my echelon and it can do a low co witness through my RMR which is nice.

[@Brix7-08]

I’m not in the market for another pistol, and the Echelon doesn’t fill any role that my VP9 or G19 haven’t already filled…but if I was in the market the Echelon would be at the top of the list.

[@thenimblegorilla107]

Lucas typical day: needs to shoot 1k rounds before a board meeting. Normal human: trying to find time and $ to shoot 100 rounds in a month. Thanks Lucas for doing the research we can’t!

[@JonFox-t5x]

I don’t have any problems with my trigger. It’s very smooth and has a quick positive reset. Measured 4 1/2 pounds right out of the box. My only complaint is the takedown lever gets really hot after 200-250 rounds.

[@DaveH8905]

Desperately need a compact version of

[@user-tw8ov]

And a subcompact not just a hellcat

[@Asidebar]

@@user-tw8ov Yes I want a compact model size like the G19. My EDC is a Hellcat Pro that I love. If I was only able to have one pistol it would be the Hellcat Pro.

[@ouruiz]

The reason why I like a modular system pistol is that I can buy a compact conceal carry version. When I show up to the range, I can convert it to a competition pistol at my local USPSA match. After the match, before I leave the range it is converted back to my compact concealed carry version.

[@Levi-wk2hg]

Why?? Compete with your carry gun. The benefits of such far outweigh any benefit of placing in a competition.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

Dork

[@ouruiz]

@@Levi-wk2hg Why not? I get the same consistent trigger feel, I get the same reps as if I was dry practicing, and I only need to take one gun to the range.

[@Asidebar]

I simply buy different guns instead of taking one apart to make it fit in another frame.

[@SpyderWebbX]

Some states require you to do a lot of bureaucratic paperwork just to buy a new a firearm, regardless if you have license or owned previous firearms. These modular pistols work great for states like New Jersey where some people just buy one firearm but form factor can be changed without additional paperwork. Also, some states require you to specify what firearm you own is tied in with your CCW permit, thus you can only carry that specific firearm on you when outside.

[@attilathegod]

Safari land makes an echelon holster with light and red dot adaptions. Overall I have not had any problems with it especially with the constant magazine ejection.

[@jasonworrell8322]

same, no issues with dropping mags... have you noticed that if you slam a reload the slide closes automatically, which I like

[@Dethbywater]

I just wanted to say thank you I really do appreciate these forms of videos and I know they take time and money so I just wanted to say thank you very much.

[@NTAC2025]

Safariland Model 578 GLS Pro for Glock 17 and Safariland 578 7TS GLS for Glock 34, 35 fits the Echelon perfect. I have them on my rigs right now.

[@Renenko]

Safari land actually makes Echelon holsters.

[@kurohito7362]

Lucas just sold SRO’s and the Echelon with this video 😂 nice work. I saw Lucas light up like a Christmas tree once he put the SRO on the echelon.

[@1GunGurl]

I absolutely love my Springfield Echelon! It’s a fantastic firearm.

[@Lawfully_Armed]

Safariland is making an Echelon holster. The media kits Springfield shipped out for reviewers included a safariland holster that was a modified P320 holster.

[@rodneymarquardt7969]

Interesting review. A bit surprised you weren't a little more informed on it than you represented in the video. Springfield has had a smaller and a larger grip module available since the Echelon's release. TFB TV and Honest Outlaw have done torture test reviews of it and it has come through outstandingly in both reviews. You can say it's a gen 3 glock clone all you want, and while that may be true for SOME of the internals, it doesnt compare elsewise. I have never owned a glock and most likely never will, but just most of what I have heard about glocks is "the factory trigger and the factory sights suck. So after you buy it you then have to fork out more money on a trigger and sights. Doing dry fire presses on glocks at the gun store compared to the Echelon, the Echelon's trigger to me feels better, one I could live with. I am biased because I am left handed and having ambi controls out of the box is something that glock cant seem to even imagine, yet others have been doing for years. If you dont like the ambi mag release, Apex Tactical has already made a replacement single sided one and as someone else already stated will most likely be making a trigger for it in the near future, IF the popularity continues to grow as you stated about making holsters for it.

[@ilikedirtx22]

Stock Polymer Glock sights will break or deform if you drop the pistol but stock glock triggers are perfectly fine. You can shoot accurately and fast with a stock glock trigger

[@ryanmiller32]

Glock gen 5 is full ambi

[@alastor8091]

​@@ilikedirtx22perfectly fine, but compared to what you get from other pistols or manufacturers, below the bar.

[@PrayingPanda]

I can see you have a touch of the 'tism. Welcome fellow börthēr

[@texasranger24]

While the CZ p10 did not kill the Glock, it should have. Unless they absolutely want a Glock, i would recommend the p10 over the Glock to any new shooter. And the Echelon is the same deal. It's better than a stock Glock. Unless you want to customize your Glock because you know what you are doing, or getting a straight up custom Glock like a Shadow Systems gun, why buy one? The Glock was innovative. Was. Now they need to be bullied into innovating again or slowly die out. For the customers sake.

[@Levi-wk2hg]

Nothing needs changing on a Glock. LEARN TO SHOOT. The aftermarket world is comprised of 90% gimmicks sold to dumb people who don't know any better. Investing in bolt on bullshit is cheaper and faster than investing in training and practice. Lazy people complain about Glocks.

[@oskar6661]

100%. The P10 line is absolutely phenomenal, and at the moment they're available - not exaggerating - at half the cost. That's absolutely insane.

[@Dmounts]

The trigger break sounds like that of an LCP Max (on camera at least). Love the content!

[@vladyakubets]

I like Lucas, but i think it's funny that he says the XD's are old/outdated but loves Glocks. Something isn't adding up

[@TREXARMS]

You know… now that you put it that way….

[@williammccall1607]

Bought my last few holsters from you guys (including my echelon comp) because you actually gave the mold for the stream light tlr 7 hl-x

[@RipDoveStudio]

Wait, how exactly is it a negative that this gun doesn't fit into the holster meant for another gun? Lol, I mean, really my guy? I love Glock, first handgun I ever bought, what I carry. But this isn't Glock's world and every other gun is just living in it. It's not a bad thing it doesn't fit into Glock holsters. If you want to fill a Glock holster, fill it with a Glock. There have been holsters on the market, even by Safariland for the Echelon since it's release. There's literally no reason you couldn't drop $50 on a holster for this gun if you're going to be reviewing in this fashion.

[@joshuahagen2961]

That was my thought. I make custom holsters for a reason. That was a really stupid take to put out there on the internet. Like yeah, it's a brand new line of pistols, of course there's not going to be any holsters readily available for it when you're trying to shove it into high-end holsters made for a completely different gun.

[@harris7066]

So I run this gun on duty and the ambi magazine release can be activated by just pressing hard enough on your holster (yes even safariland holster). Fortunately Apex Tactical makes a single sided mag release for the gun and it works great. Shout out to Apex Tactical.

[@vladyakubets]

The serialized control group is good for states with lots of restrictions on guns so that it can be easier to have more gun options without going through more fed tape

[@tombratt1699]

One advantage of a fire control unit and modularity is that if the frame is damaged it can be swapped and presto it's good to go, as opposed to a traditional frame that would deadline the pistol.

[@NinJam87]

I replaced my current EDC with a Glock 26 MOS Gen 5 and have been running it with the Holosun SCS. I shoot it better than my STI 2011 believe it or not. The plate rack doesn't stand a chance against the little beast. Until Glock up and goes out of business, I think I'm going to continue running Glock for the foreseeable future. Nothing against other guns, I have too many already and not enough ammo.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I own a 2020 era Blue Label Glock 26 9mm gen 5. I added a few upgrades, changes. Glock Store recoil guide rod, slide lock. Lone Wolf 🐺 extractor, True Precision PVD-TiN barrel, Tango Down mag release, Milspin US flag-black back plate.

[@skwissgaar_skwigelf_kdz3251]

i cant even imagine going back to a regular RMR after running the SRO for the last few weeks.

[@Aaron-ed2rb]

Dumb question; what is the tape device he is using to past over the shot holes (not the tape, the device itself)??

[@citizenoftheninthdivision]

Price tag sticker gun

[@Aaron-ed2rb]

@@citizenoftheninthdivision Thank You! 🙏

[@arthura.belokonov3310]

Was just thinking of adding the Echelon to the collection. Thank you for the honest input.

[@kermit4161]

The holsters are coming out finally. But I would definitely buy a Ragnorok if you start making them. They also have the smaller and larger grip frames out. I was on the fence about buying a smaller grip. I am used to my G19. Finally got one and it is really did fell much better! Not s fan of the ambi mag release…and the trigger is weird. It has a very light reset feel, light trigger break, and it all happens too close to the rear of the trigger guard. But I still like it a lot.

[@byejake5103]

we need a walther pdp video lucas

[@berskinemarine]

A few things that I have learned in this video. 1. Lucas is very creative with his drills and has obviously shot these courses of fire a lot. 2. He is very combat competition oriented, not EDC although some techniques carry over. 3. He's 100% a Glock guy. 4. I started typing this before he gave his closing thoughts segment and although I still believe that he actually only likes Glocks, he did give credit where credit is due. This was my 17th review I've watched of this gun from various popular gunTubers and he was pretty much the only one that thought a Glock trigger is better than this one. My thoughts on that are again, he's a Glock guy, and he shoots Glocks so often that he is so used to it that anything different, he doesn't like. Overall he did a great job and gave his honest review. He just needs to put a disclaimer in his videos that he is a Glock guy so everyone knows off the get go that he's going to have more criticisms than the other popular gunTubers. Before the fanboy keyboard warriors attack me, I carry a Glock 19x everyday and love it. I am just looking at buying a more competition driven gun without sending any of my Glocks out and spending $1K+ to make it the way I want it for that purpose.

[@cm2973]

Hey man, bothers me that my sigs dont fit in my colt holsters and wouldnt you know, my pdp wont fit in my revolver holsters. Almost like making specific holsters for a gun are needed

[@robertsalyers1351]

I'm so glad you made this video because I was considering a Springfield Xdm elite or the Glock G47 I thought the trigger on the Springfield had a very light pull but the reset was not very helpful in getting faster shots off. So, after about 30 minutes of handling both weapons in my favorite Gun Store...I purchased the Glock G47

[@elijahperry781]

Crazy how robotic and efficient every one of his movements are while shooting and working... very inspiring...

[@gabrielbaker2667]

Practice makes perfect! People give Lucas a lot of crap but you got to respect his shooting and discipline

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

He does shoot like a 🤖 but he fires 1000x per week. He could work on his "people" skills 🗣.