Is the NEW Tacoma TRD Pro Worth $10K MORE Than a Ranger Raptor? I Drive It to Find Out!

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[@disophisis]

I know the pricing thing has been beat to death, but it really seems like automotive journalists are very delicate about not criticizing car makers for obscene pricing. Are journalists afraid of being black listed by these companies or something?

[@drn13355]

So what do you want them to do? Whine for 10 minutes about how much it costs? What does that accomplish? There are a gazillion videos of people whining about the cost. But it or don't buy it. Who cares? I don't want the government telling them what they can charge. If people want to spend insane money for it so be it.

[@kabloosh699]

As you said. It's been beaten to death.. I will say I had a 23 Tacoma Off Road rental and those are usually around 35-40k in the past. I also had a 19 Colorado Z71. That was around 35k with a 40k MSRP. I got a 24 Colorado ZR2 loaded up the wazoo at 54k MSRP. Well it definitely feels like a much more premium vehicle over the last gen Colorado and Tacoma. There's color in the interior, ride quality and power is superior, the interior materials feel higher quality. The tech is much better. Definitely feels like they have put a lot more money in the design of these new generation vehicles at the high end.

[@JokerG16]

It’s as if they forgot that it was us subscribers who gave them the fame, not the automakers. If the automakers decide to blacklist the big names on YT, it would actually hurt them because they’ll have to rely on the print media to do their bidding like the old days, which no one reads anymore

[@g7003041]

100%, that how they let them pass and it okay to pay whatever they asked . Plain stupid if you willing to pay that kind of money for whatever reason. If you do, good for you. 😂 .

[@zelenizub2036]

@@drn13355 Actually I want them to do exactly that...

[@RussellThomason]

Short answer, no not at all.

[@jimmycline4778]

I agree , I do think it looks better though!

[@omardevonlittle3817]

Don't have to watch the vid to ascertain that but here I am. Knowing full well I'm not buying another new truck before 2030 😂

[@chrislancaster6986]

Long answer: absolutely not at all

[@new_york_giants_ladodgers_7238]

Id pay more for the raptor, and I own a tacoma, just not a new one.

[@theaveragewoodsman6002]

The long answer is also no.

[@macbookpro57]

The fact people even think of spending this much on a mid sized truck baffles me. Doesn’t matter if you can truly afford it or not, no mid sized truck is worth this much lol.

[@uowebfoot]

It is expensive. However, there's plenty of people who want the size of these versus a full size so it will make sense.

[@2-1inffwa97]

Same with polished moose turd earrings someone’s always willing to pay for overpriced shit

[@Ruprecttt]

I would if they could guarantee a 500k mile + lifespan. But that's about it. But this isn't that.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@uowebfoot So get a RR or ZR2 for $10K+ less 🤔 Just because the TRD Pro is this much doesnt mean you gotta pay this much to get a mid-sized truck

[@driftx2]

Good luck with the reliability on those.​@@Jay-me7gw

[@brohammer]

LOL that rear seat legroom is such a joke. May as well just offer a 2 door with a longer bed

[@Commentleaver-c6x]

Yeah, there is no reason to put a backseat in that truck.

[@Jeff-ib7wc]

No it’s perfect for your double amputee friends. Or at least for your dog.

[@mach7479]

One day we’ll remember when the price of cars was only 5 figures

[@wtfdoino605]

Five years from now seems like an eternity.

[@jtec99]

Nah. I'll be resting in my underground condo by then.

[@LetMeCook86]

Nothing says, OFF ROAD like shinny gloss black fender flares! 😂😂😂

[@chillislives]

No, it's not worth it! Insane pricing. Seats, why? So your kids can screw with them and break them? So you can lose rear seat space? So you can have more weight?

[@davidkoehler136]

agreed

[@duggydo]

Not worth it at all. Not even close.

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

ummm yes it is worth it; troll

[@astralzombie]

TBF, if you have kids and drive this, that’s kinda on you.

[@SliderFury1]

​​@@astralzombieno one else but kids would fit back there without losing their knee caps 🤣

[@joeblack1052]

Those seats are an example of where the current Toyota thinking is at Truly bizarre Corporate dysfunction Toyota Japan needs to get control of its US division and sort it out

[@TdawggLA]

The fact that you have to get under the truck to manually adjust the Fox shocks is inexcusable for 67k

[@MrCovert23]

@@TdawggLA Absolutely correct

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

umm no it is not

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@user-do9ir8lv2m Umm, yes it is. Ranger raptor adjusts them from inside the cab for $56k.

[@Mycameron2323]

Oh the 52k 2023 Tacoma has electric adjuster?

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@Mycameron2323 🤦‍♂️

[@optimusprime3484]

Haven't watched yet but I'm 100% sure it is not worth it. No new trucks these days are worth what they're asking.

[@atg1338]

Get over it

[@pjrodriguez9755]

So it is worth it. Got it.

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

This truck is MORE THAN WORTH IT

[@sn7177]

Agreed, this inflation stuff is just an excuse, our salaries should be matched in the same % as these stupid prices increased in any case, 67 k bought you a raptor f150 just a few years ago TFL bought one actually, and you bet that same truck (a 2020 raptor for example) is still waayy better off road than this tacoma

[@rafterktbcattle3022]

Imagine having air shock seats with a blown out transfer case (TFL) or a blown out manual transmission (Truck King) 😂

[@atg1338]

Imagine thinking trucks and cars will never have any problems.

[@ShaunsJeep]

​@atg1338 it's not that never it shouldn't happen on brand new vehicles.

[@rafterktbcattle3022]

@@atg1338 to two brand new tacomas on drive reviews?

[@bobw75]

Bu-bu-but you can’t get the manual transmission on the TRD Pro because it’s hybrid, so you won’t have half of these problems! 😊 /humor

[@rafterktbcattle3022]

@@atg1338 But these two trucks were brand new.

[@1FiftyOverland]

Those seats are so cheesy/gimmicky. If the suspension was built right, you dont need air shocks in the seats 😂

[@smittysmitty481]

@1FiftyOverland - I 100% agree! Plus, you can’t fit anyone in the back seats with those silly ISO shocks

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

​@smittysmitty481 tell that to every large truck. Every medium and heavy duty truck has suspended seats. Many have suspended cabs too. A suspended seat, in a suspended cab, on a suspended chassis.

[@callofdutyguy9]

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872not every big truck has those options. I drive plenty with rigid seats and not air ride anything.

[@1FiftyOverland]

​@rightwingsafetysquad9872 that's cause of super stiff suspension to handle super heavy loads. My comment still stands.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

@@callofdutyguy9 That sounds awful. Even with the suspended everything the ride is still usually horribly harsh.

[@ap-1994]

The engineers who chose suspension seats vs better suspension had too much soy

[@Commentleaver-c6x]

And they don’t even work. Check out the car care nuts review on this truck. He destroys it and he’s a Toyota lover.

[@Dennis_is_Outside]

The fact they didn’t provide traditional bump stops on the frame but instead shock shaft bump stops with cast aluminum top hat that have already failed. 🤦‍♂️

[@dentman67]

67k lol. There's an ass for every seat i guess

[@zelenizub2036]

In this case an dumbass.

[@kx8960]

...and a seat for every asshole...🤣

[@FrankBurgos]

And these seats are gimmicky

[@eddieBoxer]

There's an ass for every buyer.

[@rodneyws1977]

@@FrankBurgos reminds me of those Reebok pumps from the 80s (90s?).

[@Axsel85]

The rear leg room is similar to 911 lol

[@zelenizub2036]

Price too🤣

[@brandonrides8953]

The seats are so gimmicky. Just a way for them to raise the price. Brocoma.

[@johnnycomelately4257]

I literally just said the same exact thing lmao. The seats are so gimmicky. What if they start leaking oil in your interior? Leg room is non-existent. Near $70 grand what are they thinking.

[@bubba99009]

@@johnnycomelately4257 I think they are fully pneumatic but still they will start to fail eventually and then it's probably worse than a normal seat.

[@krabby8216]

I've heard that they don't work that well anyway

[@scottdaytonhunn]

I saw those same seats in a Kenworth once

[@RT-my6ks]

95% of these will never go seriously off-road and are show-off mall crawlers. If they do, the owner will find out that, as equipped, they aren't as capable as they think. Serious off-roaders get a lower trim model and build up what they need for their specific purpose.

[@alexandersheppard1997]

They call it the brocoma for a reason lol

[@A8vscRrabbit]

I'd rather get a trd off road and coilovers than buy a pro. Leaving our ranch is an daily offload adventure...

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Hard to add the electronic toys after market.

[@A8vscRrabbit]

​@@rightwingsafetysquad9872my wife has a tacoma trd "premium" or something. Basically a long bed version of a pro minus the suspension and stitching. All the electronics and features are the same

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

@@A8vscRrabbit Yes, the Limited gets most of the electronics. The TRD Off-Road gets the hardware. The TRD Pro gets both. I don't think the Limited gets the off-road oriented electronics though. Also, AFAIK, the TRD Pro is the only model that isn't available with the long bed. I think the base SR only gets the long bed with the extended cab. Every other trim can the long bed with crew cab for a few thousand extra.

[@derekortiz3663]

🎉Just met with an over 50 toyota master tech the other day. He's owned toyotas his whole life. He bought a new at4x 1500 duramax. He used the word trash when referring to the new tundra and tacoma.

[@mlow42]

The short answer is no. The long one is, that the ranger is way overpriced too.

[@mcnuggetapple]

The ranger is not overpriced , do you need the 400 hp prerunner version? Get a regular ranger in the mid 30s

[@mlow42]

@@mcnuggetapple Mid 30's is still too high.

[@driftx2]

​@@mcnuggetappleThe ranger is worth 30K tops.

[@mcnuggetapple]

@@driftx2 for a loaded non raptor ? Yeah I’d think so but it’s not like that

[@dom_not_torretotedesco5707]

The ranger raptor is a helluva deal for todays prices and what your getting. I totally agree that vehicle prices nowadays are out of control, but when compared to similar vehicles it’s a damn good deal

[@stevenflores5549]

Could have got a 24. Went with a 23 off road 4x4. Absolutely do not regret it. Loaded for 45k. Some new sr5s are more expensive than what I paid.

[@theylied1776]

I have seen four recalls from Toyota involving the Tacoma, Tundra, and Lexis vehicles that share the same drivetrains. I have never seen this many recalls on Toyota-engineered drivetrains before. I'm still hanging on to my 2019 4Runner. No Turbo or Hybrid. It's Naturally aspirated.

[@frostedjedi]

Tundra and tacoma do not share drivetrains

[@theylied1776]

@@frostedjedi That's what you inferred. I never wrote or implied that Tundra and Tacoma share a drivetrain. The word (drivetrains) must have confused you.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

I don't think the 2.4L engine (including the hybrid) has had any problems. It's the transmission and transfer case.

[@theylied1776]

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 well if you've been watching tfl for a while you know that there have been problems with the front transfer case and turbo on the Tacoma, and the turbos and transmission on the tundra. When I say recalls I'm also including service notices which are one step below a recall.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

@@theylied1776 That's what I said.

[@jctv-sq4qd]

Answer is no

[@Lexman00]

The back of those front seats is so weird and funny looking, what was Toyota thinking LMAO

[@Scroll_Lock]

Tech bro fanboy that will pay a ridiculous price to cruise it into a KOA or on a beach. It's nothing but a vanity vehicle.

[@TROllingNINJA2031]

The R&D expended on those seats was a total waste

[@dewdusmaximus7692]

Agreed. Gimmicks are not the way.

[@Commentleaver-c6x]

And they make the back seat totally unusable for an adult. Who in the world would want to sit there with their knees beating off all that hard plastic and metal?

[@DB-os7wl]

Should’ve developed a half decent transmission instead

[@br5145-v3m]

That interior is horrendous. Geeze...looks like a kid with a 3D printer went crazy after four Red Bulls and Hot Cheetos.

[@bobw75]

The Red Bull and Hot Cheetos interior also comes in black. 😂

[@Jaredius]

Dood you nailed it! 3D printer!

[@AA-vr8ez]

The interior is amazing, there are buttons and they are big. The raptor is a better truck in every way except the interior sucks. There are no buttons and they cheaped out with a huge screen. Can’t even activate lockers unless you use the screen! Ridiculous

[@crushbaseball4270]

The Chevy Colorado ZR2 also exists for much cheaper with the almost the same off road features

[@zelenizub2036]

Actually more off-road features. Front lockers and has not popcorn transmission/transfer case.

[@CDX7]

Yeah ZR2 is an incredible deal compared to this. Can find them under 50k these days. TRD Pro more like 70k with dealer markup. In what world is this worth 20k more?

[@brozelmotorsports4234]

Kase with the truth bombs, Tommy saying nice things so Toyota invites them back.

[@JohnDoe-wy2py]

I wonder if the check from Toyota is made out to Roman or Tommy or TFL?

[@user-mz6eq9js8r]

TFL (Toyota's Favorite Lackeys) - Toyota is going the way of Stelantis - Cut costs and quality, then sell fewer units at higher prices. I'll keep my 3rd Gen.

[@Rdrunnersac]

“A fool and his money are soon parted.” -Mark Twain

[@user-vx7vi3vq1c]

Can’t afford it? Don’t buy it.

[@g7003041]

@@user-vx7vi3vq1c Nothing to do with that. So you would pay whatever they asked? No wonder 😂

[@user-vx7vi3vq1c]

@@g7003041 The price has nothing to do with being able to afford it? 😂

[@user-vx7vi3vq1c]

@@g7003041 So not being able to afford something has nothing to do with whether you can afford it or not?

[@brettradecki]

@@user-vx7vi3vq1cI found the fool 😂

[@saywhatnow57]

I own a 24 TRD Offroad. I think these seats look cool. But my back seat is already small. That's ok for our family because the only folks riding in the back most of the time are 5' tall. But I can't imagine losing another inch or more back there for these thick seats. I'm 5' 8" and I think the back seat is already pointless for anyone taller than me. This is a really cool truck, but I can't see buying one unless you have some serious offroad ambitions. I also use the space under the back seats, so losing that to a battery is also a little sad.

[@DM-fv7hw]

Way too expensive, you can find a full-sized truck for that price.

[@plutodestroyer12]

4x4 , full cab , leather and options for that price on a full size

[@jimjamauto]

You can buy a Power Wagon for that price and it actually comes with a front locker

[@nathancruz9070]

F-150 tremor is around that price 😂

[@Commentleaver-c6x]

The oversized, out of place tv screen alone would be enough to keep me from buying one of these.

[@davidwethington9320]

I bought an AT4X. 9k cheaper than the pro. I would have bought the Raptor if I didn't like the Canyon. TRD pro would be my last choice and my last truck was a Tacoma. My wife has a 4Runner and i gave my GX to my mom because her Jeep finally died after 25 years. Toyota has lost what drove me to them.

[@sammyjammy6647]

Let me know how the depreciation and resale value go on your AT4X

[@floridayakadventures5844]

Driving and loving my 24 ZR2. Seems like ZR2 and AT4X is getting left out of most of these comparison videos from TFL. I know they reviewed and tested the trail boss extensively, but it’s not the same. Couldn’t be happier with my purchase. Many of the features they complained were missing from raptor and TRD Pro are available in the ZR2, and for a lower price…

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@sammyjammy6647 Why do you care what the resale value is? Don't you buy Toyota's cause they last for ever and you can keep it until the Sun dies and turns into a white dwarf? Its worth it to some people to not drive a hunk of shit even if it costs them more. Great example, the 3rd gen Tacoma. My goodness that engine and transmission was terrible. I'd rather own a Ranger that depreciates twice as fast and blows turbos every 50k miles so I didnt have to drive the Tacoma

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

Is it nice? Yes, but I'd never pay what they want for it and I'm a bit of a Toyota fanboy. At that price no front locker or rear vent is inexcusable. The rear seat room is pathetic and the screen is too large for the design. While nice, I'd consider seriously alternatives. The MAJOR buying point for Toyota is reliability and that's been rendered suspect lately. They should focus their energy on that before gizmo seats and screens imo.

[@kevinbradley8613]

The screen is pretty dope man. You’d be surprised how quickly you get used to better things 😂. I agree the pro and trailhunter are stupidly expensive. Even the premium trd models are way too expensive, but the base trd models are right where they should be as far as price goes. It just depends on whether you want all the fancy crap like moon roofs and electric tailgates (the tailgates are aluminum and extremely lightweight btw). I think the pro is the best looking mid sized truck out there at the moment, and looking cool can be a big selling point for a lot of folks. The Ranger raptor and the top gmc/chevy trims are sharp looking too, but there’s just something extra awesome about the way the Tacoma sits… I dunno, just my opinion.

[@lumberjeff0]

If you're not off roading, there is no reason to buy this. If you're off roading, there's no reason to spend $70k on a vehicle.

[@atg1338]

If you have money spend it on whatever the hell you want!

[@lumberjeff0]

@atg1338 Dude, you read this comment as "do not exercise your freedom of choice"?

[@billw8476]

my toyota salesman told me not to take the off road tacoma off road.

[@atg1338]

@@billw8476 yeah ok

[@atg1338]

@@lumberjeff0 dude you can't afford one

[@Rybay]

Gimmicky seats kill any leg room for the back seat. Should be an option and not a standard on the PRO

[@alexandersheppard1997]

Toyota has really lost their way. It’s pretty pathetic with all the gimmicks they’re using just to raise the price

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

umm they didn't lose their way, that is why they are best BEST selling maker out there TROLL

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@user-do9ir8lv2m That red koolaid you drink must taste good. I bet 99% of Tacoma buyers never even bothered to test drive anything else to realize just how bad the truck is. The 3.5L in the 3rd gen was atrocious. I laughed my way out of the dealer, and that was right after driving the old 4.0L Nissan Frontier Pro4X.

[@Mycameron2323]

​@@Jay-me7gwwow congrats on the frontier they sell really well

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@Mycameron2323 ha, no, I didn’t buy one. Just stating the old Frontier from 2007 or whatever has a better powertrain than the 3g taco

[@RyanLarivee]

In Canada I just paid $50,500 for my 24 offroad manual base. My buddy just bought a Pro and I think it was $82999 that's 32k more then mine. Could come pretty close to also having a gr86 with the Tacoma with the difference in cost.

[@Dwealdric]

in 2021 I paid $51k OTD for a Lariat Ranger Tremor. Highest spec you could get. Prices have gotten stupid.

[@alexandersheppard1997]

Is the front diff going to blow up on these trucks too?

[@zelenizub2036]

@@alexandersheppard1997 not unless you decide to actually use it.

[@zachlafond2652]

just don't go offroad..you'll be fine.

[@clangdon1436]

TRD pro falls short of the Raptor for more money ??? Ranger Raptor for the win .

[@Blue-moon12]

From a happy Frontier Pro 4x owner, that is a very nice looking truck.

[@manuelrabelo6780]

no need to watch video to say no to the question

[@scottyellis3442]

Absolutely not, you're paying more for this than a Ranger Raptor & getting less for your dollar is crazy. Both trucks are way overpriced anyways. Not to mention that Toyota's reliability is now gone. I'm 100% Ford but if i was gonna buy a new midsize truck today it would be the Nissan Frontier,V6 NA, but I'm not buying any truck until they prices comes back to reality.

[@jenlvjim]

If nobody would pay markup it wouldn't be an issue. If you pay the markup you may be short a few brain cells

[@atg1338]

Who cares what people do with their money. My god get a life dude

[@jenlvjim]

@@atg1338 I care because it affects the market. If you cannot see that or have enough forward thinking to comprehend let me know and I can dumb it down for you

[@atg1338]

@@jenlvjim You are just a lil troll... who the f cares what other people do with their money.... you idiots think if you cry enough the dealers will make them down... the poor guys always cry about prices

[@CraigSmith568]

Looks like they went crazy with the TURD stickers on everything.

[@BigInjun05]

In todays chaos this seems normal. The ranger is almost a bargain for what it is.

[@TerrisPizza]

I see a few spots on the Tacoma where they forgot to brand it..

[@davidjernigan8161]

No, not considered that toyota build quality and engineering in it's trucks seems to have slipped significantly. The gimmicky seats will be interesting when the shocks in them fail and leak oil all over the interior.

[@danbelden7354]

The all red glovebox, looks cheap and out of place.

[@ryandoyle4344]

Wait til its rattle & shake is shown

[@tccycling]

Overpriced new cars = awesome used cars 3-5 years from now

[@LukeEdward]

Buy what you can afford + have fun = worth it. Everyone can make up their own mind. For me, that’s a hard no. But, cost withstanding, it’s still a nice truck.

[@us1fedvet]

Nope. I’d take the Nissan Frontier over either. V6, great drivetrain, still has knobs and buttons inside.

[@atg1338]

Still outdated and poor sales vs the Toyota, GM trucks and the ranger. Nobody was talking about the Nissan until the new Toyota came out.

[@TheCdnBacon]

@@atg1338the frontier sold 19k in q1 2024. The Colorado sold 14k in q1. The ranger sold 2000. You are totally wrong about every single thing you said. Thanks for coming out though…….wow

[@us1fedvet]

@@atg1338 really?

[@atg1338]

@@us1fedvet some people prefer to live in the past

[@atg1338]

@@TheCdnBacon Toyota Tacoma 21,500 Gm trucks 20,400 Nissan 19,700... so you are wrong dumb dumb

[@markjardine]

The pump for those seats are exactly the same ones used for mountain bike suspension. That one looks like my Fox branded digital gauge.

[@johnnycomelately4257]

And which desert will this be running on? Lmao. Overpriced. Piano Black exterior bits everywhere. Will scratch just looking at it.

[@BikeisDusty]

The Mall Parking Lot "Desert."

[@Lucky.Lewis610]

I think they mean Dessert run, like going to DQ for a softie

[@zelenizub2036]

Mall parking lots are turning into desert's. I guess thats what they were thinking.

[@mohammedmuzakkir9803]

I would love to see the fuel consumption between the 2

[@Jay-me7gw]

Why? You're gunna spend $55k+ on a mid-sized truck and worry about a few MPG, when you have a $1000+/month loan, insurance, and maintenance? Seems like you're priorities are out of order.

[@mohammedmuzakkir9803]

@@Jay-me7gw here in Australia if the raptor is driven with ease the fuel consumption is ok but if you push the pedal bit hard its a fuel guzzler, consumption gets really high

[@wsigona]

Nope

[@vincesettineri]

No

[@THX5000]

Black roof to keep the heat in.

[@boatbound3300]

Nothing more fun than making $800 car payments for the next 84 months👍

[@InfiniteVibration]

other than the added power, this is not raptor like. This has stock suspension travel. Raptors increase power and suspension wheel travel. To go fast off road you need more suspension travel. its better to get the offroad imax and put a long travel kit on it.

[@petebusch9069]

What a joke, nobody is ever going to use any of that off road tech.

[@davidkoehler136]

10.000.00 of BS

[@kidamere2408]

nope

[@1stnamebunchofnumbers]

The trd pro has the nicest seats driving around town and in parking lots. 😅

[@TheJHP3]

I’m a Toyota fan boy but nope. Give me the Ranger if we’re talking about bang for buck

[@jk8839]

To those who always wonder if diff drop is a must check out right here 2:18 Toyota coming straight outta factory looking like this

[@justaname109]

Stopped at my local dealer on Sunday. They have a 24 Tacoma sport, msrp was just over 45k, but it’s listed for 56k….for a sport. They also have a new Land Cruiser. They didn’t even put a window sticker on it, so I’m guessing they’re leaning towards the “if you have to ask the price, you can’t afford it” vibe

[@Petro00D]

I am loosing faith in Toyota. Dealers in the Charlotte NC are charging $10k to $14k above MSRP for the TRD pro tundra and Tacoma. Also the same for the Land Cruiser. My wife wanted the Land Cruiser base model. They were asking $72k because it is ‘a premium vehicle” I convinced them to come down $5k because the Lexus GX550 was cheaper.

[@JohnDoe-wy2py]

Comparing the Tacoma to the Ranger even though he hasn’t taken the Tacoma off road? It’s really hard for me to wrap my head around a couple of kids in their early 20’s being enough of an expert to make a recommendation on what for most people will be the second most expensive purchase they will make. Sure, they can show the features of a vehicle but when there’s no long term testing then at best they are qualified to show the difference in the features, price, etc. Nothing beats the experience that Roman, Nathan, and Andre has when it comes to making a recommendation. I would consider their opinions before a couple of kids that are still wet behind the ears.

[@BassNBucks]

wtf 4 cylinder hybrid and getting low 20s, Toyota get your stuff together geeezzz.... SMH

[@daveroush4896]

2400 watts in the back seat of the tacoma? Thats 20 amps. Does it come with a table saw?

[@justindavis6373]

From what I understand the A arms aren’t any wider than a lower trim. Only the wheel offset is greater so you don’t actually get any benefits of the wider track width. I’ll stick with my 3rd gen.

[@ronmurphy4234]

I have a 2021 Tacoma Pro and was looking at this, but three things make it hard for me to upgrade... 1) Over $15k increase (Mine was $52k including taxes), 2) Seats that look more like a gimmick and consume all the back seat leg room, 3) No storage under the back seat because of the battery, where does Toyota think people will keep things like tow straps, trailer hitches, or simple things like tools?

[@michaelmclovin5098]

I mean, they dumped their Tacoma as fast as they could, these guys are just pathetic now.

[@astralzombie]

This is LITERALLY what the last gen Tundra TRD Pro cost, three years ago…people buying these are nuts.

[@PillPushaT]

You’ll be shocked to know what people are still paying in this current real estate market too

[@blackmustang2006]

A 70k mid-size truck with an unusable rear seat? The offroad community as a whole should feel disrespected by these companies making the hobby unaffordable. The dealerships add insult to injury with market adjustment fees, add on's, and sleazy sales tactics.

[@drz400sm5]

Pass.

[@leeraymer166]

I would say in the midsize pickup truck market that the answer is no, it’s not worth it. The reason being there are good alternatives to this truck from both GM and Ford. However, I am a 4Runner owner and I’m more likely to hold my nose and pay up for the 6th Gen 4Runner TRD Pro when it finally comes out later this year and I think a lot of other people will be more willing to pay up for that model as well. The main reason being that there’s really no alternative to that vehicle on the market right now. The closest currently is the Ford Bronco or Jeep Wrangler but then you have to want to have a noisier cabin due to the doors and roof that come off. Most of us 4Runner owners don’t want that or we would already be driving those other options. I know Ford has said they may bring out the Ford Everest as a direct competitor the 4Runner, but that isn’t a guarantee. So Tacoma TRD Pro, no, 4Runner TRD Pro or Trailhunter….maybe.

[@towjamb57]

Ford Everest Raptor would be righteous!

[@saywhatnow57]

I own a hard top Wrangler. Traded a 5th Generation 4runner after 11 years. Can honestly say that I haven't found noise to be a concern. And I own one of these 24 Tacos also, and I don't think it's all that quieter... Now I'm going to be paying attention to that this week.

[@ricatiman]

Last Saturday evening I saw the new TRD Pro 4Runner driving in Vancouver, BC. It was white and looked exactly like this one in the front. It looked great in the urban setting of downtown.

[@jakes5530]

It should cost less than the ranger raptor. Similar capabilities but nowhere near as quick. Toyota is getting away with murder on their pricing these days, especially given their recent track record of spotty reliability. Hopefully people start to catch on.

[@jasonmurayama8467]

Rather get a full size truck with a V8 or V6 Turbo for the same or less price… just sayn… 😎

[@originalname9999]

Answer, no. Suspension issues and no usable back seat. The TRD Pro should have just been a extended cab. 65k for that, before dealer markups. Hell no.

[@trailrunnah8886]

Even if it was the exact same price as the Raptor, it's still way less truck.

[@ChicagoBob123]

Its so expensive you wouldn't want to take it off road

[@vernonbennettiii3646]

Does it require Premium gasoline? Can it run on Regular, without causing damage to the engine (or voiding the warranty)?

[@Rdrunnersac]

I saw my first one on the road yesterday. A 70ish year old man was driving it. Only rich boomers can afford it.

[@atg1338]

Give me a break... get a life dude

[@haganratliff8229]

Boomers are basically all dead already now, what you’re seeing are older Gen X’ers.

[@victortrias3362]

I've driven the hybrid off-road version. I was impressed with the torque it really doesn't take much throttle to get going.

[@ddjslhomebase243]

No video of the engine bay?

[@TheCree2010]

So this is only $5k cheaper then the new RAM RHO? Wow

[@drftjuice]

Definitely getting a ranger raptor next year

[@herpderp1662]

AAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAA "slaps desk" wait...... are you serious??? I canceled my 24 trd pro allocation "white and black" and bought a 24 raptor EVERY OPTION hot pepper red for 61k. And guess what I traded in for it? A 19 voodoo blue trd pro tacoma. I WAS a toyota fanboi. Toyota dropped the ball in every way on this truck except 1, how it looks.

[@cartopia6161]

I feel like the TRD Pro could have been just the extended cab version, especially with those isodynamic seats.

[@anthonys5581]

Totally agree. They never offered the TRD Pro 3rd gen in the “access cab” variant which I always found strange. It’s the sportiest and most capable in the lineup. It should have the lightest body.

[@chrisb9478]

My gripes against the Raptor: no ventilated cooling seats & big gripe, plastic oil & transmission pans & plastic oil drain plug. 😮

[@ALMX5DP]

Why are plastic oil pan and transmission pan a big gripe for you?

[@MrCovert23]

@@chrisb9478 wear and tear will happen more quickly

[@chrisb9478]

@@ALMX5DP eventual leaks

[@ALMX5DP]

@@chrisb9478 I think there are millions of these pans around which are free of leaks. Do you have a source for this being a considerable issue?

[@chrisb9478]

@@ALMX5DP 1 example- My Dads VW Tiguan. 60k miles, started leaking oil badly. He found that the shop had overtightened the drain plug, damaged the oil pan threads. He had to pay about $800 for new VW oil pan. They are more finicky. Most plastic drain plugs you just turn a quarter or 1/2 turn & you need to replace that drain plug about every other time. Plastic degrades over time, especially with heat cycles. It’s just not a reliable as metal if you plan on keeping a vehicle for more than 5yrs. Research Ford plastic oil pan leaks too. It’s a negative for me.

[@planoman0935]

You guys were in my backyard! Welcome to Plano! I think my off road premium is fine for me. I have been surprised at how many people have ordered and are waiting on the TRD Pro! 23 MPG combined on regular fuel is not too shabby. I zonk the shiny fender flairs, no bueno!

[@rossthompson4990]

Yikes that's $88 grand in Canadian Dollars. Definitely not affordable.

[@huronv9500]

I spent a full day in the TRD Pro with three adults and I can tell you that there is no way would I buy that truck with those seats as there is no room in the rear and so the front person has to have the seat way up to give the rear any room and there was no one over 5'10. The seats should be an option not standard. For the price, I will keep my 3rd gen for years to come.

[@techsing3037]

I would definitely go with the Ranger Raptor. Ford knocked it out of the park. Great review!

[@crunchyblack2224]

Toyota is getting out of touch with their prices. It’s now fully outsourced to Mexico reducing costs for them but prices went through the roof!

[@greggb681]

Which one is quicker to 60 while towing a 5,000lbs trailer? The Hybrid or non Hybid?

[@zelenizub2036]

It all depends, what tow truck are they riding on.

[@chrislancaster6986]

@@zelenizub2036haha I legit lol’d

[@kensnyder2340]

I think you two will do a great job running this channel down the road, when everyone retires. 😆

[@Supernova778]

You should do a video on how much of a better truck you can make by taking an sr5 and using the 28 grand in price difference to upgrade it…