Is This How Shiny Pokemon Were Made? | Gnoggin

[@Gnoggin]

A disclaimer of course: I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG HERE! This isn't a video claiming "here is how it is done." Rather, I'm just explaining my research and observations, and attempting to form a hypothesis on how it was done. It could very well be that they are all hand-designed entirely, and all these "rules" are merely coincidence.... But that doesn't mean that has to be the end of the discussion. Let this be a starting point for those more knowledgeable on the matter. I haven't seen any other videos on this topic specifically, and I want more solid answers!

[@haztac5973]

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[@haztac5973]

Ello Mate

[@lunarman16]

Haztac WaterCultPopcornCult no

[@marcoasturias8520]

Nice

[@traerock7126]

Im here

[@AMHerbert13]

"We humans, which I am." 🤔 Sounds like something a non-human would say

[@kidnamedpaint]

We have known he is not of us for a long time I believe.

[@10191927]

@Fredd's Dead 1011010010

[@Swagpion]

That's a running joke on the channel

[@SkimBee]

He’s being controlled by whatever is inside that bouncy hair mound

[@cheels1655]

🎂

[@TheHarry345]

New Good Quote: "An algorithm wouldn't be able to tell the difference between what is dirt and what is Diglett."

[@Halophage]

Neither can I, honestly. ...Diglett isn't anyone's favourite, right?

[@TheAetherleaf]

@@Halophage I mean dugtrio is my 20th favorite pokemon

[@N_IRL]

@@TheAetherleaf Dugtrio is an example of the 3D model being better than the original. The whole animation of the three of them all bouncing around is so adorable!

[@exceptionallyriso]

@@N_IRL Ikr they're Adorable The noses booping in and out is also adorable

[@VirtuesOfSin]

"This generation only had 4 colors in their pallets. Two of which were black and white, so each Pokemon only had 2 colors to work with." - Paraphrasing another of his quotes that disprove Diglett as evidence for Algorithm.

[@betabee1221]

Lockstin heres another series idea aswell- use your flow chart to calculate what shinies couldve looked like in gens 6-8 using these methods.

[@Nosretep]

I really want to see that. I wonder which Pokemon get the Garchomp treatment or Torchic treatment.

[@IBRich62]

This would be cool!

[@phantasmicmasque]

Ooooo that would be so cool!

[@peekafch]

Good idea

[@Rockleedrunkpunch]

This please

[@soltandvinegar]

“We humans, which I am” New Pokemon Theory: Lockstin is a Zororark.

[@moon9771]

Maybe a ditto

[@soltandvinegar]

@@moon9771 Nah, his eyes aren't small enough.

[@antonpershin998]

Latias/latios?

[@moon9771]

Maybe a mew?

[@soltandvinegar]

@@antonpershin998 no, ash would have kissed him. But I like the theory.

[@SkimBee]

Game freak: shinys will be a fun thing for people to collect, but it shouldn’t be an extreme passion Shiny hunters: that’s where you are wrong

[@Nosretep]

I think the new Anime finally introduced it's first Shiny Hunter.

[@zachrodan7543]

@@Nosretep that certainly took a while if true, given that the first shiny in the anime was (I think) ash's noctowl back in johto

[@MegaPokefan97]

To be fair, Game Freak doesn't know anything about their fans

[@TheDeathmail]

To be fair, Gamefreak didn't think Pokemon would even last past the 2nd gen...

[@Nosretep]

@@zachrodan7543 You'd think they have introduced something like that during Jhoto...

[@Ninetailsmaster16]

I'm honestly in the ring with you of there being both a general algorithm and hand picking. Only an algorithm would CHOOSE to make shiny jigglypuff/wigglytuff nasty hue shifts instead of white rabbits with red eyes.

[@Merahki3863]

Well then that's an argument against it being an algorithm as shiny jigglypuff is very similar to the jigglypuff character in the anime and the anime came out before gen 2 did in japan.

[@DrJackShelton]

@@Merahki3863 Yeah I remember Playing Pokemon Yellow on my Gameboy colour and ALSO All the Original Games I think had Wierd shifts on GBC too if I remember right.... There was weirdness there that Isnt Often Revisited these days....

[@derpkipper]

Yeah no

[@KorporalKReephdmkiytrecv69]

It's obvious that they are from the future, and that's why they are shiny. Because everything is chrome in the future.

[@comradeivan1129]

Google chrome is Google chrome chrome in the future

[@comradeivan1129]

Google chrome is Google chrome chrome in the future or chrome Google chrome

[@tomguy8151]

EVERYTHING IS CHROME IN THE FUTURE

[@kermit2206]

But what if chrome was chrome but with chrome being chrome if chrome came and sat down ate some english coffee with some water and dogs on the moon and than I realised that earth is like more than 4 billion years old because of google chrome so I ate water and drank some moon rocks on mercury but that's not possible

[@freddykrueger1699]

FUUUUTURRRRRE!!! FUUUUTURRRRRE!!!!!

[@kingsmithgaming8726]

"Or making sure important Pokémon have decent shinies" Makes sense "Like Pikachu" You lost me

[@joe-ib1wn]

Pikachu is the mascot...

[@joe-ib1wn]

@Wolf World Blackyy oooh i get it now i thought the original was about how pikachu isnt an important pokemon lol

[@KingJH0510]

his point was that iconic pokemon like pikachu cant have too drastic of a change imagine a red or blue pikachu. but cool and more popular pokemon like charizard have cool shiny colors of course this doesnt apply to all of them (mewtwo and the legendary birds)

[@oi_bruv]

"Like charizard" would make more sense, as its shiny was altered after its creation to appear cooler

[@kitkatboard]

It is litterally decent. Like, it's not puke green like some shinies, so at least it doesn't make you sick but it isn't groundbreaking either.

[@Edujs23]

THE COLORS LOCKSTIN, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?

[@KILLRXNOEVIRUS]

HEY...!? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!?!? *WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?!!?*

[@Mattno.777]

The Luigi who Saw Things.

[@liamfairbanks4861]

WE JUST WANT THE COLORS. THATS ALL WE’VE EVER WANTED.

[@KILLRXNOEVIRUS]

@@liamfairbanks4861 _We needed their knowledge, what they'd learned._

[@jb0258]

DOUBLE RAINBOW ALL THE WAY

[@theoneandonlyempoleon1451]

Given how broken the first two generations are, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were just a bug they turned into a feature

[@thischannelisretiring1648]

If that’s true then why is their a sound and effect

[@SSDARKPIT]

@@thischannelisretiring1648 hence "turned into a feature" they could have liked what the bug did and did some working on it to make it a feature.

[@snivy400]

How much you wanna bet it was a glitch that occurred when they were testing the time capsule that allowed you to trade between generations and a couple gen 1 pokemon came out not looking right and they just rolled with it cause it looked cool

[@voilet-the-non-violet-vulpix]

Shinies, the creepers of Pokémon (maybe)

[@Radiogumdrop]

Shinies were intended. They're easter eggs to show off the game boy color's new capabilities. Since shinies were determined by DVs (IVs in later gens) in Gen 2 as opposed to the trainer ID, secret ID, and personality value, Gen 1 Pokemon could still be shiny if traded to gen 2 since they also had DVs. The ability for Gen 1 pokemon is an oversight, not shinies in general.

[@zidanez21]

It could be that the Artists had an algorithm to pick the colour but they hand coloured the sprites, this might explain why there are exceptions and NEAR misses So yeah, you've created a flow chart of awesome I know it might be wrong, but that doesn't matter

[@voliol8070]

Shiny pokes use the same sprite as their standard version, only with an altered palette, so they can't be "hand coloured" per-se. The easiest way to "color" them would be to pop in a hex value, which is likely what an algorithm would produce. They could still be manually tweaked, or shifted a little as part of the algorithm, though.

[@PissedGrunty]

In older games with sprites, color swaps are used to give more visual variety without having an entirely new image in the code. Especially for a GBC game, *space* is extremely limited.

[@voliol8070]

@@PissedGrunty With that in mind, it's surprising they didn't do more color variations, or made shinies less rare. Shinies are a visual variety, but one that barely ever appears.

[@PissedGrunty]

@@voliol8070 Yeah. Do what they do for the Florges line and give each mon a variety of different colors. Heck, make a 2nd type of shiny where the colors are entirely based on the secret codes and totally random. You'd get some damn weird results, but it would be interesting.

[@ugniusmonkevicius9544]

no human with a heart could ever create the crimes against humanity that are gengars and garchomps' shinies

[@rubyrootless7324]

I can't really explain Garchomp, but Gengar used to look very different because it was hard to translate from 2D to 3D because its sprites used to look very different from other pokemon in the first gens. If you see it, it makes sense, however I agree that it's awful.

[@AveryCreates]

The bulbasaur line shinies are the most disappointing to me...bc hes my favorite and it's just not great imo. Sad. But of course shiny CHARIZARD looks incredible. Yes I'm salty.

[@nickkayfabe6147]

Leafeon disappointed me, also IMO they should’ve booted up the algorithm again for the Eeveelution’s shinies, especially leafeon and glaceon

[@sesijanarjasis9917]

To be fair, Gengar used to be way more pinkish, so the dark purple shiny color was way more exciting. They should've tweaked it, I blame HGSS for ruining Gengar

[@Paradoxe_0]

Pore gengar and garchamp,at least Gengar got AMAZING mega and gigantamax shinies

[@BionicLightandShadow]

Their algorithm could have done all of these functions seperately, and then presented all the results to the developers and they selected from that list

[@jb0258]

Lockstin: we humans - which I am. Me: hmmm how much longer can he keep us from the truth I wonder?

[@catattack9575]

What truth? He is clearly human, there is nothing to hide here. We are all just earthlings- I mean humans- here! :D

[@jb0258]

@@catattack9575 ah, yes... I mean, of course! Just like the talking mammals from the planet Earth.

[@Glory2Snowstar]

Yeah, that’s so [SLANG NOT FOUND]! I mean, I also love walking around on my leg and I breathe every day! Seriously, just [SCAN INCOMPLETE] with this [SLANG NOT FOUND]. Blink blink absorb water.

[@Bealzabub]

I could have seen them way back when just running the sprites through a couple different color changing algorithms and picking and choosing what they liked, with a couple exceptions if none of the color variations looked very good.

[@betabee1221]

Lockstin! Make a series where you redesign shinies from Gens 1-5 to fit some sorta reference or real world reasoning! I, aswell as others, would be very interested to see what you come up with

[@PKwooper8281]

YES

[@jackarthur4673]

Great idea 👍........YES

[@randydator4848]

Good idea

[@justmilk3150]

YES YES YES. Lockstin doing this would be perfect! I think most people would simply just choose the colors that look the best but I know for sure Lockstin would pick colors that reference something which would be interesting!

[@Br0oham]

I want to like this, but cannot as it has the sacred number (69... nice) for likes already, so I will simply say in here that I agree

[@jml6263]

My favorite thing is when Lockstin plays the invisible piano with his hands when he really wants to make a point.

[@ItzSylvi]

I wanna see what all the newer shiny Pokémon would look like with the algorithm you’ve found, like designing Pokémon’s shinies based on your algorithm.

[@GippyHappy]

ooh that sounds cool he totally should. I bet they'd mostly end up puke green and highlighter pink though lol

[@antusFireNova]

About "diglett's dirt": I think diglett was never supposed to have different colour dirt, it's simply that due to colour pallette limitations diglett's dirt was the same colour as the nose, so if you change the nose the dirt also changes. In 3rd gen thanks to better hardware the dirt and nose use different colours so by changing one the other doesn't automatically

[@ShadedAkumu]

I might as well reach out for an answer: The Spaceworld 1997 sprites have completely different regular and shiny palletes that could possibly follow one of the patterns *exactly*. So... if you wanna look at those and make a followup or just reply, there's an idea.

[@voliol8070]

I was thinking of that too, e.g. all pink Pokémon in Spaceworld have blue shinies, all green mons have desaturated yellow shinies, and all yellow tan/orange ones.

[@o0MrTurtlez0o]

If this is true as well as having the random shifts and changes, I think overall shiny quality would have been greatly improved by having 3 results generated for each line and having someone make a 10 second decision on which to go with.

[@wesnohathas1993]

Nah, this is GameFreak we're talking about. They'd never put in that kind of time.

[@Deadflower019]

@@wesnohathas1993 They wouldn't put in that kind of time *now.* GameFreak weren't that bad back in Gens 1-5. In the first two generations they had a lot to lose. They didn't want to make a shitty sequel to such a beloved and well received game. They cared about the games for a lot of generations, even past the point where they didn't need to worry about the game flunking. Then they realized that and stopped caring because the games would make money anyway. Too much money, Sword and Shield have no right being the second best selling Pokemon games with their shitty quality.

[@someguycalledgoober155]

So, who's gonna tell him that Beedrill's *NOT* a flying type? Edit: And that Paras/Parasect is *NOT* a Poison type.

[@mbcmechachu]

I had to tell him that he called Misdreavus the name of its evolved form.

[@cyberwill2364]

And scizor isn't a flying type

[@toropazzoide]

@@cyberwill2364 Well yeah but Scyther is, if we accept the algorythm hypothesis as true, then it's not unrealistic to think that it would follow the same rules as the first stage for consistency sake.

[@palewhale8537]

Yeah neither is scizor

[@gengarjoker3412]

the word "Type" has multiple meanings, I think when he said flying type. the "Type" meant "category" instead of the "pokemon element".

[@DJ_Treu]

Its probably something like: "Go run this algorithm, These pokemon however, Apply these fixes if it comes out looking off or if its one of these XYZ pokemon" Then the guy went through and the head dev went "Ohh i like those change these to these and add this line to the code to make it more variable"

[@matheuscastello6554]

oh speaking of shinies, i'd love to see something about the kaskade shinies at some point, and ofc great vid as always :)

[@lionturbulence]

I've been watching this video since it has come out and I just noticed a flaw, you're using the Crystal sprites here. Spinarak and Sneasel's original colors changed in Crystal but their shinies stayed exactly the same(some other pokemon changed colors but only with minor differences.). So instead of Sneasel being a purply-blue that turns pink, it's an orangish-brown that turns pink. I'm not sure if this matches up with the triads or anything since I haven't tested it out yet but I'd still like to point it out.

[@Princess_Narii]

So in most scenarios (besides dev tempering) Even tho pokemon have changed colors in future games from the original versions From GS to Crystal but also from Crystal to Gen 3. In the majority of the cases their shinies keep the same colorpalet Thats why its good that he tested it on gen 2

[@MauZangetsu]

Lockstin: Oh yes. Right. Human. The thing we are. I am human. Of course. What else could I be.

[@caritahearts2405]

*Glances at pokemon are people vids(tho I don’t remember is Lockstin himself made one oop)*

[@John14.6OuO]

Hmph, humans...

[@drodrig1]

I know right?

[@abrawolf]

Yes, I to am human and enjoy human activities like walking on my leg attached to my foot which keeps leg on body

[@jamessimonpabon8710]

Yes. Humans. We are Humans. Humans are fRieNDs. We are friENds

[@askalon4558]

I was thinking about a simplified chart. An algorythm could generate multiple choices for the developers to pick the one they prefer (for example "do you prefer left shift or right shift?") although the few disgusting exceptions are a counter example to this solution. It would be quite manageable with 251 for the 2nd gen.

[@PropaneOnTop]

Who else thinks that they should bring back the shiny ditto transforming into a shiny version of the pokemon its fighting? Edit: the ditto thing was from gen 4, and after that it just poofed.

[@carotteatomique]

That was in Gen 3, not Gen 4. Also, if Ditto doesn’t keep it’s shininess while turning into a Pokémon, it’s because it copies the opponent perfectly. If the opponent is shiny, the transformed ditto will be too

[@oucyan]

@@carotteatomique no. it was gen 2. lol

[@juliandamen9804]

@@oucyan no its gen 1 lol

[@JazzyWaffles]

@@juliandamen9804 no its gen 0 lol

[@sock3981]

@@RedHinge no it's gen - 2 lol

[@tobyhanke3274]

"Porygon 2, Cobalt Blue" No no, its Porygon 2 the electric boogaloo

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Electric Blue-galoo?

[@absonaura]

@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 nooo you beat me to it

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

@@absonaura Sorry. Great minds think alike

[@OldRock84]

More like, epileptic boogaloo

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

@@OldRock84 He was sacrificed to save the mascot Pikachu #PorygonDidNothingWrong

[@carlac8560]

14:31 ah yes, beedrill and scizor. My favorite flying types

[@IM4plebz]

tbf scyther is a flying type.....beedrill though...

[@finnvaneekelen7740]

ah yes, paras and parasect. My favorite poisen types

[@f.b.iagent3971]

Rais Aminuddin Can fly

[@devincetee5335]

@@f.b.iagent3971 no, only Volcarona, Genesect, and Vikavolt are the only bug types that learn fly

[@testerwulf3357]

Tommy Cetee Not learn the move fly but actually fly, like, flap their wings and hover and even fly around. Many Pokémon that can fly don’t learn fly smh

[@philipoconnell5300]

“An algorithm wouldn’t be able to tell what is dirt and what is digglit.” Thank you for that

[@Wyrm30]

Gyarados' shiny theme makes sense, because they're already always enraged, so being even more enraged is rare, and makes them red.

[@Chanos945]

Gyarados’s red shiny is canonically because team rocket forced the magikarp in the lake of rage to evolve prematurely, causing the gyarados to retain its magikarp colors. That’s why you find a shiny one there

[@AuburnInAutumn]

What came first: the lore or the shiny? The world may never know.

[@Chanos945]

Auburn Autumn well the shiny was most likely intentionally designed to fit the lore. Kind of like how Charizard’s shiny was intentionally changed to make it more appealing.

[@bridgeseller7004]

@@Chanos945 Canonically? What? I know it was forced to evolve in gen 2 games BUT there's no evidence it keeps red color because of it.

[@Necrostevo]

Just dropping a comment to say I appreciate the amount of work that goes into these videos. Even if it IS just a theory it is fascinating to look into and learn. Over heard broadening my horizons in quarantine.

[@Shiny_Hunter_Rob]

"Well, actually, Lockstin, you're referring to Misdreavus when you say Mismagius..." Damn, I love this character. I can point all the errors in a video and the snobby know-it-all takes the blame... Oh wait...

[@hebrewsfl]

I tapped out of Pokémon after Gen 3. I was thoroughly confused by that.

[@Zumikaku]

I’m late to the party here but this is an extremely cool reconstruction of an algorithm from its inputs and outputs, and you did an excellent job taking us through your thought process. I do hope we get some official answer on how early shinies were made. If your flowchart is right, I’d love to hear how the devs came up with things like the type rules and the pink rule

[@daedalus2726]

I thought this was just going to be a surface-level overview or something, didn't realize that it was over half an hour long. It's definitely really compelling, and even if this wasn't how it was done or there wasn't an algorithm the sprites probably were still following a ruleset somewhere along these lines - there's too many coincidences and weird parts otherwise.

[@dabbingperson9236]

You know it’s serious when the intro plays just over 8 minutes in.

[@dtexdarkus]

I just noticed that the color schemes of the shinies for the legendary birds are nearly identical to that of their Galarian forms. It could have been an inspiration for the galar forms.

[@jackiecozzie4803]

No they aren't,!? It's only a tiny difference and the Galar forms are totally different

[@andersaucy]

The sprites popping in and out, the explation of technical attributes, and the music! Man, this video was so well made. All the way down to the impromptu phone call.

[@tamashi4242]

Thank you for making videos, especially during this quarantine (:

[@Imaginita]

Wow, this is cool. I'd love to see a follow-up where you use this flowchart to remake some shinies, or do classic shiny coloration for later Pokémon.

[@LuxOffertor]

My dude Lockstin putting in that effort. My guy, I would have done the same just to see if it made sense. Thanks for using your Gnoggin so I can use mine somewhere else.

[@MousaThe14]

This is still one of my favorite videos that I love to revisit every so often because I enjoy the process behind determining how the rules could’ve worked. Like, I never even heard of color wheel triads until I watched this all those years ago. And also it’s the copium needed to understand why they did that to my poor Espeon.

[@AngellusBlack]

15:45 JUST realized the gen 2 shiny colors of the legendary birds are pretty close to the Galarian form's standard colors 🤯 Well, Zapdos and Moltres at least. Articuno gets a little purple in it's shiny, but not as much as Galarian Articuno.

[@PatManDX]

Yeah there's some consistency with the default colors of a regional form resembling the shiny colors of the original forms, and vise versa. You can see this most clearly with Alolan grimer and shiny kanto grimer, and shiny alola grimer and normal kanto grimer. Also galarian slowbro uses some of the colors of shiny kanto grimer.

[@grz_chaos6489]

You should explain why pokemon were chosen for their gen, like copperajah for galar. There are a few pokemon I believe poses this same question: "Why is X chosen for this region, which is based on Y, when their origins seem to have nothing to do with Y?" A few I can think of is Copperajah, the genies, and Cofagrigus

[@Kougraex]

Just for the Devil's advocate sake: If given a Pokémon, and following your chart, how many outcomes can this Pokémon reach, out of the total color swap outcomes possible (given gameboy's limited pallet)? (aside from developers tweaks) Which is to say, if you derive a rule that end up being capable of reaching every color that there is available, this has a very low chance of correlation. In other words, what is your "p value"?

[@JorgeBlue55]

Yeah I agree, if I understand you correctly, it's true that there are so many variables and his colors aren't perfect, I think there's an algorithm and that he's close but I'll love to have a funtional program or an interview to know exactly what's going on

[@wolfiemuse]

I don’t think the flow chart he made ends up giving every Pokémon a chance of being any possible color. I think it only allows for a few outcomes depending on RNG

[@carmineknight9123]

The Charizard "factoid" drives me crazy, look at the original shiny promo art from 2001 that has a shiny Charizard. It's black and red. The in-game sprite was only that color by game limitations. So many odd "color choices" in GSC are clearly influenced by all the weird pallete rules, and are not necessarily 1 to 1 representations of the Pokemon's "actual" color. Shiny Swinub doesn't _actually_ have those ugly red dots.

[@lillith7257]

I'm more mad people think the purple and green was bad It wasnt It's not nearly as good but it's not bad And at least it changed the flame color Something the redesign didnt do

[@lindseylindsey9200]

Black and purple I get but how exactly are game limitations supposed to turn red into green

[@mini-_]

Is this going to be the story of the Pidgeys and the Beedrills?

[@SolaricSage116]

At Least It Isn't About The Pidgeys And The Aerodactyls.

[@258thHiGuy]

My favorite line of the whole video by far was "Look at Phanpy! The blue is less saturated, and the red is more! But neither by much. This is the worst shiny."

[@Whom_]

It would be interesting to watch a video of Lockstin try to design new colours for previously existing shinys

[@psychoticcoconut4047]

Me before watching these vids: 😀I like drinking water Me after: I prefer to consume hydrogen monoxide in liquid state obviously 🧐

[@angusperson4222]

wouldn't it be dihydrogen monoxide?

[@psychoticcoconut4047]

@@angusperson4222 well hydrogen is already diatomic on its original form, maybe your right. I'm just in 9th grade ¯¯\(°v°)/¯¯

[@angusperson4222]

@@psychoticcoconut4047 well I'm just thinking about H2O. two hydrogen (dihydrogon) and one oxygen (monoxide), though I could be entirely wrong. I haven't done chemistry since 9th grade haha

[@SoməøneXD]

agnus person, no, you're right, its dihydrogen monoxide

[@psychoticcoconut4047]

@@angusperson4222 in science class the teacher said when naming a compound made up of a non metal and another non metal then only the last element is named using the mono-, di-, tri-, or tetra-

[@tassadar101r]

Looks at shiny espeon: "Look how they massacred my girl".

[@RemLasher77]

One name, one series: Carbuncle, Final Fantasy. That is the reference I see with shiny Espeon.

[@SaltLazer]

They did my man krookodile dirty :(

[@ValiantSpear]

Sad garchomp noises

[@chuchisgarza1952]

Shiny espeon is the best shiny eeveelution

[@SaltLazer]

Chuchis Garza Umbreon still exists

[@thecardboardboxl3922]

If I had mad respect for him before, then I have INSANE respect for him now.

[@evotheevolutions]

if you had to ask me bellosum shiny references vileplume because it's one of the first evolution to have a different evolution if that makes sense

[@Nanashi20]

I feel like some of the reasons for some colors looking like an algorithm did it (the diglet in gen 2), but also there is the arguable reasoning that they just used less palette limits, and they compressed that usage in the normal diglet's color, putting red as partial shade,nose, and dirt color, so if a developer would want to change the nose to blue, its gonna change the rest too, so either the dev would have to redo and see if they can even add additional palettes to diglet or just go the safer route and just change that one palette to desired color, regardless of whatever else changes color, its just dirt and didnt look bad by old standards, so thats a second possibility. They also couldve followed a standardized format for colors, and then did specific alterings on certain pokemon.

[@obimaul7]

I love these videos, Lockstin, all the explanation and almost Color Theory kind of info, so fun to watch! Also why I love your language and sound videos so much!

[@mistaken_stranger8343]

Shiny Gible : love it Shiny Garchomp : wait is that even a shiny?

[@cementcarlot]

you spend so much time on us man. you don't need to spend a whole week doing these things lol

[@the_godbodor7026]

If gen 1-5 shinies are just random then Garbodor and Trubbish got lucky since theirs is 110% referencing recycling being they are normally green bags with brown trash (the typical colors for these things) and the shiny is a blue bag (a color commonly associated with recycling) and silver trash (silver like cans and other recyclables). But there is a chance that Garbodor and Trubbish got dev help with their shinies like other popular mons. All I’m saying is Garbodor and Trubbish are cool, they have a great origin, they complete a trio that had existed since GEN 1 (that being the Grimer and Weezing lines), and to stop hating my precious trash bags!

[@vereflores1240]

The creator of shiny Espeon could easily just like the color :p There probably was some kind of formula or algorithm as a basis but as an artist myself, sometimes we pick colors just cause we like them. Not everything has a reason :p

[@ordinarytree4678]

When there are 200+ new pokemon every game, theres no way a large portion of the pallete changes arent automated. These are programmers we're talking about.

[@brandonm8901]

For my work I do a lot of retroactively fitting data to unknown algorithms and the process Lockstin used is actually similar to how I would go about a similar problem - very interesting

[@99wins31]

16:52 Paras and Parasect aren’t poison types but probably would be if three types were introduced

[@cintronproductions9430]

Or they would be Bug-Grass-Ghost types, cuz they're basically the zombified husks of a once-living bug, now controlled by a mushroom.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Fun fact: they were the only Pokemon 4x weak to Poison in Gen 1

[@smurgledarf]

Speaking of exceptions to the algorithm: Raichu's shiny and normal body colors were swapped after Gen 2, and Spinarak and Sneasel had different normal colors in Gold/SIlver before being changed in Crystal. Spinarak had extra tampering in Gen 3, where its shiny was changed to more closely resemble its normal colors from Gold/Silver.

[@Tidalley]

>the devs making sure important pokemon have decent shinies Guess the Eeveelutions don't count as important... Friggin' green Espeon! Blegh!

[@Tornnnado]

Green espeon is beautiful

[@dextreme7186]

Actually the old Shiny Charzard is a reference to Ridley's original colours from Metroid

[@ShiftyPokemon]

thank you for posting i was running out of stuff to watch

[@katswarrior]

Eevee's shiny is silver. This is a possible reference to silver foxes, as eevee is heavily inspired by cats and foxes

[@brandongibson4029]

8:41. His ringtone is Gourmet race from Kirby which is my favourite franchise created by Masahiro Sakurai *HE'S MORE THAN A POKÉMON FAN!!!! HE'S A KIRBY FAN TOO!!!!!* Just like me yay!

[@dragonboyjgh]

He needs more kirby theories then

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

If you look back through his channel you'll see he wasn't always a mostly Pokémon channel. He's done many theories on many franchises across all of gaming, and not even just Nintendo.

[@justinwlacy]

On Nidoqueen, it could be human error. If you look at her Gen 2 colors, they're dark green and pink. If you were to swap the two colors on the shiny sprite, she would probably look consistent with the first two; so it's not unreasonable to think that someone was typing the two colors into a table and just accidentally switched their order. So why didn't they fix this later then? It could be that, when they were doing the Gen 3 colors, it just got overlooked- someone who wasn't on the team for Gen 2 didn't think anything of it and just kept the same general color scheme, and Nidoqueen just isn't important enough to warrant a flagged redesign like Charizard. By then it just became her colors, and it's persisted long enough that it would be weirder to "fix" it now.

[@Galaxies3000]

8:15 wait, this was all just the intro?!?!?!

[@KyanbuXM]

31:29 Agreed, Espeon needs a new shiny. It's current one makes it look like it's radioactive or absorbed the Master Emerald and became some weird Chaos God Thing.

[@joe-ib1wn]

Its just an alien cat 👽👽👽

[@rainpooper7088]

Chaos Espeon confirmed!

[@skyshack4194]

Love that the intro played 8 minutes in XD

[@rokuwhitefox]

"Differences between what is dirt and what is Diglett." I don't know why but I love that.

[@bean2201]

I think they had an algorithm that made the shinies, and the developers would sometimes mess with the shinies

[@Д.Б-ж6ь]

14:59 Dragonite's gen 2 shiny is so much cooler than the one we have today

[@Kinonotabi]

Here's my opinion: Shinny pokemon were only made to make a higher demand for pokemon by making them rare and have better stats. Basically making a palette swap and making an artificial demand by making them rare.

[@grunkleg.2934]

I don't think shinies have better stats. Maybe back in Gen 2, but not now

[@DrPumpkinz]

They don't even have better stats. In Gen 2, shininess was determined from IVs, which at the time ranged from 0 to 15. For a Pokemon to be shiny, Speed, Defense, and Special needed to be 10, while Attack needed to be one of several seemingly random values ranging from 2 to 15. HP was calculated from the other IVs, so that was always either 0 or 8. So while shiny Pokemon had kinda good stats, they weren't great. And then come Gen 3, shininess was completely divorced from IVs and no longer has anything to do with stats.

[@grunkleg.2934]

@@DrPumpkinz So that's how people figured out how to hunt shinies in Gen 1

[@lollordfrozen]

It would be interesting to look at the game code and see exactly how the pallets change from non shiny to shiny. There might also be some consistancy between which "slot" of the pallet gets changed. They might have set up the pallets in a way like {black|white|main color|main color shadow|main color highlight|off color} so they could have set the algoryth to change the off color more drasticly. So for a pokemon like scyther which has alot of greens, they might have had to use the off color slot for more diverse greens. Hence why the shiny scyther suddenly has a weird looking shadow

[@thiagoxavier6737]

"Or make some pokemon have decent shinies like pikachu" haha as if pikachu's shiny is decent XD

[@Nosretep]

It would be slightly better with Blue Cheeks.

[@LuisGomez-td9il]

Really enjoyed this video. As a computer science student, this seems definitely very plausible and I would not think Devs would go into the trouble of hand picking every shiny color. Subscribed!

[@Lopoi]

Given how bad some early shinies are I dont doubt they were made by an algorithm. Now to get that flowchart and make it into an actual algorithm to test it out

[@Noelwiz]

This flow chart feels like it would have been a great opportunity to talk about state machines and teach people about them if you wanted to. Especially since you’re talking some computer stuff already

[@Kitty609304]

This video is so interesting ♡ I would love to see your reaction when you see gen 2 shinies through pokemon Stadium 2 cause they change drastically and that "Barnie" Charizard looks pretty good xD (Also just looking at those classic animations-I promise it won't be a waste of your time ♡)

[@aricksaxon1059]

Aaaaay the return of the Dragon shirt!!! Would love a rerun on the Dragon and Fairy type shirts, kicking myself for not picking them up when they were available

[@WarmLillie]

Some shiny are random and other are hand made.

[@gatex33d74]

Found the one that didnt watch the video

[@kirbwarriork3371]

One thing to note about "same colors" is that in photoshop they might be the same but in game they might be different. For instance, if you have two pokemon that share colors, they might actually has that palette swapped but still used artistically the same; White/Purple/Yellow/Black into White/Yellow/Purple/Black. It's visually the same (the two pokemon use purple in similar places), but if the algorithm affects the second and third color differently, then when they are shifted they come out different. To explain this a different way, sprites in old games had two pieces of data; Where pixels go, and which palette to apply. The pixel data would use numbers; This pixel is the color "3", this pixel is "1", this is "0", etc. Then the palette gets loaded which says "0" is white, "1" is red, "3" is purple, etc. If you load a different palette (a literal palette swap), then instead you could get white, blue, and green (importantly, 0 is generally white/transparent). You can see this happen with glitches where a sprite or tileset gets mixed with the wrong palette that wasn't built in the same order (one palette might put light colors where another put dark) and thus looks incredibly wrong. You can even see this in one of the GBC pokemon games because there is a normally inaccessible palette chooser in the data that the Coin Case can access.

[@oucyan]

Lockstin: says important pok'e mon like cover legendaries always have developer tampering Shiny Groudon: *Snot color intensifies*

[@PinkalohaTheFox]

Kyogre looks so nice compared to the booger Dino

[@Xanthelei]

I for one believe you're correct (always have, because it's that or some dev REALLY hated poor Jolteon). But I can't help but feel like, somewhere in Japan, a dev from Gen 2 is watching this going "Actually, we just used a randomizer to pick colors and ran with that."

[@Nosretep]

I wonder what the Gen 5-8 Shinies would look like with the Algorithm. I'm surprised nobody has don't it yet...

[@psychopath682]

Because their is no public algorithm, at least not a perfect one, if you consider the Flowshard as a algorithm. Pay attention to the Video you watched, please. And also Gen 5 was still made with the algorithm. Gen 6 started to take effort in shiny designs

[@Nosretep]

@@psychopath682 Geez. >:/

[@celadore_]

Epic in-depth theory. I love that you use logic to explain things!!

[@Yamartim]

I doubt some of the rules of the algorithm would really be using rng. I think it's more likely they'd use some really specific hidden variable like a Pokemon's base stat or however many pixels are on its sprite, or the letters of its name or the moves it learns My only evidence for thinking this though is that as a programmer if I was tasked with making and algorithm like this where you only need one outcome it wouldn't really make sense to add randomness to it such that it would make it produce different results when bring ran multiple times

[@ΠΑΝΑΓΙΩΤΗΣΠΑΠΑΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΥ-ρ7φ]

Althought it seems arbitrary which one was used I dont think it was actually implemented as rng. Its more likely the program made all the 30 or something possible sprites and the designers picked their favorite of the bunch.

[@AdiosOcelote]

I'm going with my thought process along with the video as you explain. Just for fun, as I also had some information about shinies once, but barely enough to decode anything. From what I know, the colors are first added together, then they are subtracted by the amount of colors and then either added to the current colors or added another "layer" of coloring to then be added to the base colors. So basically, if a Pokemon has 3 colors (for example, red flame, green belly and all its body blue), full red, full green and full blue (which is RGB 255, 255, 255, or 256, 256, 256), the algorithm takes all the colors together (255 + 255 + 255) and then subtracts it by the amount of colors (765/3) and you get the color to add to the standard colors. This is quite often also represented in HEX, for example FFAA00 is 255 for red, 170 green, 0 blue, so RGB 255, 170, 0. So now there's a white layer added to the base colors, which makes all the colors lighter (RGB now becomes 128, 128, 128 instead of 255x3). This would basically explain some colors turning the same (shade) of another color, and Pokemon typically have way more than 3 different colors, for example 12 shades of red, 18 shades of green, 72 shades of blue etc, so the added layer of color would quite often change even if, let's say, Magikarp and Charizard shared the same color shades (actually, Magikarp is mostly white and red, so that could work for it, although I assume there is a set value of colors added to the mix). Got nothing to add about typing being added into the mix. Although, that could be the mysterious value I've been talking about. Alright, the complementary/triad colors killed my thinking. xD I'd assume that there was an algorithm and that it followed what you presented, but the complementary/triad/compound color was chosen by the color pallet the Pokemon had originally. For example, red dominant = triad, blue dominant complementary etc (just random example), then based on the original color, the saturation/hue was also chosen. I extremely doubt anything was hand-picked in gen 2, at least, because there are elements that "should not" be changed in the sprite but are changed. Since gen 3, it was clearly adjusted by-hand, but for sure an algorithm did most of the job, or nearly all of the job.

[@WarmLillie]

This is a surprise to shiny coloring and reasoning there coloring alt

[@tuddthetotodile5448]

To quote lockstin, “I Freaking Love This.”

[@the_ark_king]

I think it is canonically mutations

[@asherdevin]

I'd be concerned if it was the other way around

[@jexusdomel5194]

This is really cool, think its the first time some went to in depth to how shinies were made, and thank god you did it for only one week, I feel like my brain would rot from just a bit more than a week

[@ajwinberg]

I was sure that in gen two that the shiny colors in that game could be any random color. You never knew what color they could be. I thought that you could find a red pikachu or a blue eevee. And then maybe those pokemon might be green or purple the next time you found a shiny one. But apparently I had misunderstood how it worked. Honestly it would have been cooler that way.

[@Merahki3863]

It's actually like that in stadium 2 so that's prob where you got the idea from. Tama has a good video about it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKrak6Brj7-NrLM

[@DaenaMichelle]

Software dev here, this video makes so much sense, thanks for the work put on it ^^

[@RicardoRenautl]

As a programmer, i'm going to say that the shinny colors are just Unnused colors of the pokemon made by designers... but this is waaaaaay funnier.

[@Back-Space.]

I disagree. Many of the early shinies were super ugly. I doubt those were intentionally designed.

[@dallinmoody1297]

I would definitely believe it! (I know very little about algorithms myself, but from what I do know, that seems entirely likely) Lockstin: says, “but it wasn’t exact” for the twelfth time Me: “it probably has something to do with the game boy’s limited capabilities” Lockstin: explains the limited capabilities. Me: my faith in your intelligence persists... congratulations!