Is This Lifting Form REALLY Bad? Lu Xiaojun Technique Review

Chinese Weightlifting 'Bodybuilding' Training is quite different to what you might expect to see. I break down what's happening and why it's useful.
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[@Dalfio]

if an exercise causes you pain or discomfort, no matter how many say it's essential, there's always something that can be done in it's stead. Just ask yourself what your goals are and what you're training for. Sustainability is key

[@azniscannedrice]

Kinda unavoidable in their sport. The snatch and clean and jerk have the barbell behind their neck in the finish position. Of course, they've also developed the proper mobility and flexibility to do so safely without getting injured.

[@zbronstein3901]

If an exercise causes pain or discomfort the loading on the exercise is likely too high or there are mobility issues that can be adjusted

[@sharkparty1027]

This is a FACT. I only learned this after Greg Valentino (can you believe it...of all the people in the world) said this in a video 10 years ago: "If you aren't feeling the muscle work, it ain't working, so why are you doing it?"

[@lucashenriques4242]

True, in my case is squats, so yeah i can't squat.

[@youngsuit]

@@azniscannedrice yeah at that point, that's like asking a basketball player not to shoot above the shoulder. you'd have to figure out how to make it happen

[@Alex-rt3po]

I really thought this was an athleanx video when I clicked on it…

[@Raynbowwwww]

… why would you click on an athleanx video 🤣

[@coacheugeneteo]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@0m13]

@@Raynbowwwww That burn is going to kill his gains!

[@lukaskula4990]

@@Raynbowwwww i thought the same thing. I wanted to see if Jeff would actually dare to talk smack about Lu Xiaojun.

[@butterpecanrican_]

@@Raynbowwwww 😂😂😂😂😂

[@rahulbeenime]

Lu when someone criticises his technique . "What colour is your Olympic Medal?"

[@CrniWuk]

Which means, 99% of lifters out there should NOT follow him as it is just as likely that Lu is eventually going to destroy his body. But he doesn't care, as long as he wins the medals. Operating on such a high level, demands a certain mindset and physique, that almost no one has.

[@AndCaffeine]

⁠​⁠@@CrniWukanyone who’s attempting world records risks destroying their body, but he’s not destroying his body with these exercises. He’s not gonna risk injury doing accessories. Also, he’s had one of the longest careers in weightlifting. Something that a lot of people don’t realize is that Olympic weightlifters have crazy mobility. Things like behind-the-neck pull-downs or presses are not recommended for most gym goers, but are well within Lu’s safe range of motion.

[@CrniWuk]

@@AndCaffeine I am not saying it's this particular exercise or that even his traing per se "ruins" him - or others. But lets be real here. He is an athlete that operates on such a high level, that you could as well compare a toy boby car to a lambo and say, look 4 wheels! They can sure do the same stuff! What I am trying to say is, that what ever Lu does, works for Lu. And since he is in those 1% of the population that can take the punishment, that's required to reach gold medals, that is what he does. But that's something to admire. Not necessarily to look for advice when it comes to making gains in muscles as natural lifter with an ordinarly job, and live to look after. I mean for Lu lifting IS his whole job. Probably even more. It's his whole "life" which is focused around it from the exercises he performs, to the food he eats, to the chemicals he - for sure - takes. Keep that in mind is all I am saying.

[@AndCaffeine]

@@CrniWuk yeah fair

[@MrSinister718]

@@AndCaffeine You shouldn't have needed that explained to you. It was already obvious.

[@dave90mckeague]

Ultimate specificity. 99.9% of gym goers will never need this kind of training, or understand it.

[@coacheugeneteo]

Yes!

[@SSchithFoo]

And if u try this someone will record it instead of minding their own business and it ends up in a bodybulding fails compilation in youtube.

[@oraclegps]

i am from the 1% and i love them , using the power of the whole body to perform a lift is gold and make you very strong overall .

[@E_m0l]

Exactly.. Just like that video of LeBron doing quarter squats that caught a lot of heat. Makes perfect sense to me why a basketball player would want to strengthen that part of the movement as you typically don't see many basketball players jump from ATG 😂

[@jakemccoy]

What? These are principles of Crossfit.

[@user-du7ty2sk9i]

Over years of learning, adjusting, adapting various programs. Real glad to see Eugene's take on this as context is very important and critical to lifting, especially when training with others. There's not a 1 size fits all program that gets everything people want. Rather to tailor it to whomever's comfort level and goals should be one of the more important parts when exercising consistently. Just because it works for you, doesn't mean it'll work for someone else. As long as you're targeting the main muscles with good form, tension, and purpose, the exercise shouldn't matter provided you're doing it safely. Barbells, machines, free weights all serve a purpose.

[@coacheugeneteo]

Thank you! 🙏

[@calebevans7408]

Great video. Love that you explored this nuance. Also Lu Raises are killer for your shoulders. Thanks Lu

[@hsh44534]

This is totally out of my league but I couldn’t resist the challenge to watch to the end. I did manage to glean something useful for my own goals though so thank you for sharing your knowledge :)

[@CantFightRobots]

Really happy you're covering Lu Xiajun! become a big fan of his over the last few months and his strength is just incredible.

[@coacheugeneteo]

Yes!

[@Kevin_Cutts]

@@coacheugeneteo shame homeboy got caught for doping 🥲

[@edmond472]

@@Kevin_Cutts you cant be an olympic weightlifter and not be on gear or atleast be competitive... top of the world at that

[@Steve-sp4rx]

@@edmond472 Same thing can be said about the top end of every sport.

[@lighthearthealth8090]

I love your matter of fact tone and rational review of this! I have seen some people in my gym doing lifting like this and definitely judged them. I don't think their technique is based upon this, but it gives me more room to allow different training styles, thank you!

[@cp37373]

Rational lmfao

[@jaysingh05]

What a great video. Truly informed content. Good stuff Eugene.

[@andersjensen7348]

Its kinda funny, before I had an education in sports Science I loved athlean X, after I got educated I started liking Eugene, Jeff Nippard and Fitnessfaq way more. Cheers man

Atlean x still offers valuable information, especially rehab-wise but as you get advanced in lifting, start to fall off.

[@andersjensen7348]

@ Yeah thats true, didnt say he doesnt have some good info, just that I realized he isnt the best when it comes to lifting and that whole area. The frontlever video he put out was kind of bad when you actually know about calisthenics, but again it is not athlean X's area of expertise. But i respect him for what he does no doubt.

[@Hao-hi3yb]

This is exactly how my journey in terms of sources of physical fitness went too! As you go deep in the source material, like you start looking for the major nerds who have a tendency to look into the research too hahas...House of Hypertrophy isnt bad either

[@myfavouritecolorisgreen]

I'd recommend a channel called Natural Hypertrophy as well, if you don't already follow it. most of the youtube fitness channels that take PEDs don't really understand programming for naturals and the training that enhanced people do doesn't really apply to us. so check it out also Geoffrey Verity Schofield, Basement Bodybuilding and AlphaDestiny are great for the very same reason.

@@myfavouritecolorisgreen Bald Omni-man too.

[@leonamadeusivkovic911]

Great video great advice, if a Exercise is performed to max capability and doesnt cause discomfort its okay even if its not perfect because every single one of us is built differently and what works for me doesnt have to work for you

[@markbisnauth3369]

Very insightful, thank you!

[@symbolsarenotreality4595]

Excellent video mate, well balanced information.

[@uhsemehicieronlas3]

Awesome vid! Love the content!

[@MeeraRaju1111]

Thank you for this explanation.

[@taekonjudo]

If you look at Shohei Ono (2x Olympic gold medallist in Judo), he does dumbbell rows in exactly the same way as Lu is here, it is absolutely brilliant for training unilateral pulling power.

[@signs80]

It's a good functional movement because (as per a physio on the Chinese team) it trains the nervous system to coordinate explosive force in a chain of muscles. It's not just about making a muscle bigger or stronger, but also about building coordination and power between them for the sport

[@Eric3Frog]

Doing the same movement with elastic bands/tubing while standing is excellent, too.

[@davenoscope3836]

You might said it yourself, it is not for bodybuilding.

[@Wayne_C_Kelly_II]

I appreciate your approach. Philosophical Commentary, Based In Science, With An Adaptive Real World Perspective.

[@santiagoochoa855]

Great content and advice 👏🏻

[@TorBoy9]

Lu Xiaojun's explosive movements are great..for him..under supervision from his coach. I'd hurt myself doing that, so not good long-term for me. Thanks for pointing this out.

[@stephensteele1213]

Damn, Lu got those Asian aesthetics - he 40 but looks 20. And coach Eugene could probably pass for a high schooler lol I'm jealous.

[@mrwho.7163]

who is lu

[@coacheugeneteo]

🤣🤣

[@mostafa202023]

Basically straight hair and no beard

[@mrwho.7163]

@@mostafa202023 clear no wrinkle young looking skin

[@miro4013]

@@mrwho.7163 The Olympic weightlifter you just watched a 5 minute video about 😂🤦‍♂️

[@benjaminbaumgardner7620]

My first recommendation for your videos. Love it thanks

[@coacheugeneteo]

Welcome!

[@jameshung9262]

As a huge weightlifting fan, I can't agree more with this video!

[@jacquep2363]

Brilliantly said👏👏

[@dipro001]

Excellent excellent content. Can you please do more of Chinese or other lesser known styles?

[@captainamerica1732]

Brilliantly intelleigent video. NCSF Master Trainer here and I totally agree with you 100%. You are on point sir!

[@teresalehtonen8499]

this man is just incredible athlete.

[@sharkparty1027]

Most important is to stay safe. The wear and tear on the body is REAL, so always keep that in mind. Additionally, most if not all Olympic lifters are doped up, don't be fooled, this is not even me hating, just facts. Icarus is more proof of what we all already knew.

[@rdg665]

Yep , People love to pretend like Olympic lifting is some sort of a morally superior super alien futuristic invincible sport , When in reality everyone doing it -like most sports- ends up with tendinitis and overuse tears which is no surprise , But it's a surprise for those who ignore that.

[@shirtlessviking9225]

i've been beginning doing upright rows, and with form in focus, i just say it feels great on the delts and traps, and i can push harder and progressive overload better than on lateral raises. doing both still

[@djo-dji6018]

It's so fascinating to see how a great deal of ideas I was taught in the gym in the 1990s and 2000s are now considered either debatable or plain incorrect. I started realizing that in 2014 in Kazakhstan, while training with some serious local powerlifters who helped me making incredible progress at the age of 40yo.

[@garlicpress6121]

Cool story, did they have any unique techniques or approaches you remember

[@doyourownresearch7297]

kind of meaningless if you dont mention what you are talking about.

[@MrDevinferreira]

Awsome video, thanks for sharing.

[@coacheugeneteo]

Thank you! 🙏

[@timothyjudge4807]

The context of what makes an exercise good or bad is crucial because herky jerky momentum based technique for Lu is indeed useful for his competition performance. Not only that, he has all the time in the world to train and specifically build his foundation to allow himself to successfully train the way he does. Jeff's videos about behind the head and neck presses and pulls aren't entirely wrong because civilians aren't training for global competition and aren't training in a way that supports those kinds of movements with such weight. It's a lot of work to be able to safely train that way even if you wanted to and at the end of day, they don't target muscles up there any better than regular presses and pull downs for those that just want to be generally strong and well developed.

[@user-re8lc2ls2o]

They target specific muscle groups a lot better than regular presses and pull downs. I tried doing behind the neck pull ups and it's a lot harder to do and you can feel your upper back burning how much more is effective. There's a reason why they keep doing it

[@monkemode8128]

@@user-re8lc2ls2o Yeah I started doing behind the neck presses occasionally and they have been great for my traps/delts.

[@ramzimusa8623]

I fully cracked up when it flashed to Eugene’s pull downs at the beginning 😂😂😂😂😂

[@monsterhuntervideos4446]

This is why I train at home and have become my own gym. I can be creative with my exercises and invent my own ways of lifting.

[@NormanKonstantin]

Creating fear is a big thing and hopefully it will spread thinner as time goes by. Behind the neck things are a question of individual structure and mobility. I am not doing it, but trained a few people who can put their shoulders in position that makes me drop my jaw and they can get away doing these if they would like to. Either way, I am glad you made this video!

[@TorBoy9]

Life is very unkind to retired elite Chinese athletes.

[@coacheugeneteo]

Thank you! 🙏

[@GonFreaksss]

@@TorBoy9 Lu will be 40 when he competes in his next Olympics. Yet gym bros on steroids are saying he is not lifting correctly and will be injured.

[@wleng]

I hosted Coach Ma here in Melbourne just a few weeks back. You should have joined us! Also Venus Weightlifting explains this "bounce bounce" method.

[@NorThenX047]

1:55 Pause. This is one of the most incredible lifts/recoveries i've ever seen. Guy is unbelievable

[@abhishekranjan4374]

I learned one thing from your video is to do whatever and however you want eventually you will build strength and muscle.

[@RJ-is9ko]

I would try to avoid any exercise that forces me to rapidly move my neck forward causing a straight cervical spine which can in turn cause degeneration in the neck and bone growth which can also in turn later cause your arms to atrophy if the nerves become compressed from bone growth.

[@Adj72]

when i started back lever, it really did a toll to my shoulder where it felt as any injured joint breaking point. but as weeks goes, my shoulder did adopt.

[@casadogaspar]

Can't I create the same tension by doing fast movements with more reps instead of fewer reps with slow movements? Talking about hypertrophy but trying to have more training economy so the workout can transfer for better athleticism overall.

[@charlesgriffiths4901]

Very interesting video and some really interesting training techniques. Not that I'll ever use them. I also won't be getting any gold medals but still. 👏 Fair play to this particular olympian!

[@jurgen951]

Important to separate the exercises that an olympic athlete like Lu does, to what an average joe is capable of. Which also is what Athlean X targets. I’ve had shoulder pain from those very exercises he mentioned, so doing alternative exercises with the same result is great.

[@McWhatevs]

Agree totally. If I do close grip upright row I certainly get pain in my shoulders. There seems to be a click currently with Teo, RP, Jeff Nippard that don't seem like Athlean X. Upright rows seem to be a primary candidate of the scorn. The fact is, the upright rows Teo displayed in this video, and the ones Mike demonstrates in his RP videos are extremely wide grip and typically well in front of the body, which reduces those impingement likelihoods considerably. The rows I initially learned and which many gym goers demonstrate are close grip, on occasion with the hands actually touching, and also very close to the torse. These are the rows that Athlean X demonstrates and which he states are mechanically disadvantageous and which in my experience at least is totally true.

[@leonardo9259]

"when I do this movement hurts" "Are you using an appropriate load and ROM for it" "Who cares, it hurts and this guy in KZbin with a bunch of letter after their name said it's bad"

[@ddavidjeremy]

Eugene. Your demonstrations in this video made me spit out my coffee. Thanks.

[@coacheugeneteo]

🤣🙏

[@sandeepthukral4605]

Whhhat a thumbnail, 10 on 10

[@nancysmith9487]

Good form isolation of muscles is better... Doing all those other movements works not like farmer strength bring body in to meet the weight... Just a thought Like the stages techniques for training which could be broken down even more on clean and jerk. Changing the height of clean. Starting at different points. Or exact movements. Welcome Sha Sha

[@robertocarrera4549]

great video

[@prabhukarthik03]

Upright rows with Shrugs as superset, is what worked best for me for traps.

[@marks3440]

I’m familiar with contrast training and I’m curious to know if/how these training techniques are programmed with isometric or other slower controlled movements.

[@mikerenshaw7867]

Interesting Video.

[@jackmarshall757]

Nearly 40yrs old 😳, def looks 28.

[@coacheugeneteo]

Crazy right!!

[@14lamnc1]

genetic advantages of being Asian

[@alexandrebeaudry1038]

When people talk in term of bad and good they enter a grey zone that become subjective. Is it efficient? Fun? Confortable?.... Great video by the way.

[@AKVT-uz2gj]

The explanation is The Lifts are dynamic so accessory work is also dynamic and I mean every single acc movement is performed in a dynamic fashion No use for slow isolation Do I get a Bruce Lee tee shirt? 👍😎 Great vid coach

[@G3Number]

Very informative and well done video!!! Im going to subscribe because I liked this video so much!

[@coacheugeneteo]

Thank you! 🙏

[@AT-in9ld]

Please make a full book summary of the ma strength book

[@anfzjdxn]

he's goal is different from rest so there is nothing wrong with it. He's working out with purpose, whereas most of us are working out for aesthetic and health. That dude n his coach know what they r doing 100%. It's not for us though 😂

[@manbeast222none4]

His power is crazy...one i have no interest in matching...lol. ill stick to my regular training regime, but that was a really interesting watch, very informative.

[@markstringer4067]

That fuckin lat pull down had me rolling

[@diemme568]

hi, ex-WLer here. let's ot forget, in all those explanations, that we WLers DO NOT WANT too much muscle! Muscle weighs a lot, and we must maintain category weight ! so the aim of OUR bodybuilding work is NOT to gain muscle mass; it is to develop power (F x V = force times velocity) in certain "dead zones" of the compound lifts; so when you see a WLer doing fast rows, with a lot of momentum, IT IS INTENDED to mimic a pull - for the muscle in focus: here the rear delts, the traps and the lats - but without the whole systemic stress of having to pull a heavy bar from the floor, when we already work the legs and the back so much !! THAT's the main reason!

[@Azytzeen]

Can average athlete (if he doesn't care about looks and want to train for strength, explosivness) train the way WLs do and get good strength related results? With proper warm up an recovery of course.

[@screwyshow]

Interesting video

[@bennybooboo6789]

Zack Telander explains the reasons behind the way he does his accessory work well

[@DOMDZ90911]

It's simple really. When I see Lu I press like.

[@yahyaf88]

As a physio i agree with you 💯 there is a many physios who make Patient horror stories

[@tarunpratap017]

Daniel is Strong af on those Hack Squats.

[@tomhunter91]

It's all about minimizing risk. Why do the risky lift when the less risky lift gives the same results. Saying the behind the back pulldown is less risky than a normal pulldown is insanity. And what's to gain from it

[@southafricanplebgamer9192]

Makes sense most of the Olympic lifts include different movements in one lift. So essentially they are training their entire body when doing any one specific movement.

[@daniel_960_]

I definitely need to include more plyometrics, my muscles respond really well to it. When hiking somewhere and occasionally jumping onto and off higher stuff for fun often feels like a better workout than deadlifting. I feel my legs, back, glute and core much better than after the gym.

[@JGoodman333]

I like to pair plyos with compound lifts. Example Strict overhead press paired with 30x single leg hops (forward and backward =1) over a line each leg.

[@poolkrooni]

@@JGoodman333 that actually sounds like a fun workout!

[@philmckenna5709]

@daniel_960_ Makes perfect sense

[@WaskularnyPrawnik2003]

@@JGoodman333 its called contrast method. In my case i like to do 3 heavy reps of bsquat and instantly then 6-8 box jumps

[@adr244_kr7]

*HE'S FORTY????*

[@Joanyan]

lu is a genetic phenom and been training insanely hard, avoiding the behind the neck stuff is mostly so that newer lufters don't get injured because they may not know the difference between pain and soreness, when you reach a higher level with your training and try them and they work then there's no reason not to do them

[@clintiacuone1703]

Daddy Lu is my favourite weightlifter of all time. He has a tough road ahead of him trying to qualify for Paris in 2024 as his main adversary in that same weight class is his team mate shi zhiyong who while he hasn’t been at the top aslong as Lu has been, shi has been a far more dominant force in the 73kg weight class and has never been defeated since it’s inception. I want more than anything to see Lu have a shot at a 4th gold medal but boy does he have quite The challenge ahead over the next 1.5 years😅 if you’re not familiar with shi definitely watch some of his videos he’s insane!

[@sydneyguillermand4763]

He started a Chinese social media account and putting videos there. Most Chinese athletes don't do that besides retired ones. I think he is thinking about retirement.

[@clintiacuone1703]

@@sydneyguillermand4763 Lu is going to attempt to qualify for Paris, whether he makes it or not remains to be seen and depends on how he goes competing against shi. He’s had that account since before he won gold in Tokyo last year, it’s his barbell/equipment company

[@danivegh]

Well, rip.

[@clintiacuone1703]

@@danivegh aha yep🥲 still my favourite weightlifter of all time though that will never change

[@juttah.4839]

I'm a physiotherapist: you can train anything, but of course certain exercises break down joints and lead to impingement. However, the cause is not the exercise, but the fact that the joint in question is not moving freely - either structurally or muscularly. Most people have these imbalances and they should not be underestimated because they go hand in hand with a lack of mind-muscle connection. Top athletes should have worked on these imbalances as much as possible so that they do not cause any difficulties during critical exercises. Normal people will definitely suffer injuries: Our practices are full of them. Amateur athletes, especially ambitious men, can also become victims because they tend to overdo it "bro"-wise.

[@Libturd]

I had no idea Chinese had such a genius philosophy when it comes to lifting. That’s amazing

[@davidk6269]

In order to understand more deeply this type of training, one needs to put Lv Xiaojun (and all of the male/female Chinese national weightlifters) in proper context. These athletes are generally from extremely poor families with little prospect of economic advancement, so they are willing to sacrifice a great deal in order to obtain financial security for themselves and their families. They are selected from a very young age to enter local gov't weightlifting organizations and trained/evaluated for potential. Those who show adequate promise slowly move up to higher and higher level gov't sponsored weightlifting programs, until only a very few, elite athletes are selected for the Chinese national team. Lv Xiaojun and his fellow Chinese national team members are essentially the best out of 1.4 billion people. They are genetically gifted people who have been trained very intensely from a very young age using state-of-the-art training techniques. Their training techniques are NOT for the "average" person, as Lv and his fellow athletes are essentially the last ones standing--every other athlete who did not have the genetic gifts to survive such rigorous training and excel at the lifts have long ago been weeded out. Lv and his compatriots have been conditioned from young childhood to develop the connective tissue strength, etc. to best withstand this type of training. Even so, I fully expect that these athletes after retirement will have significant joint problems later in life--possibly catastrophic in late life. Over the course of his career I have seen Lv suffer many, many injuries. One should consider the full context of this type of training style before considering whether it is wise to emulate such training. Beware.

[@larryboi2706]

their injuries are probably not from doing accesories like that.

[@rdg665]

Exactly what i have been saying , People love to ignore how Olympic lifting is plagued with overuse injuries and severe tendinitis and talk about how superior it is.....

[@zichysticks2083]

I don't see him developing significant joint problems later in life, if anything his joints will be in better shape than most people his age. Tendons and bones become strengthened just like muscles do when exercising. There may be minor cartilage issues but nothing crazy.

[@SSchithFoo]

This applies to every single olympic level or elite athlete regardless of economic background. Over training, banned substance abuse, hardwork, sleep, nutrition all are just cream on the top when 70% of the success is genetics in elite sports like this.

[@durrantmiller8810]

I've really only seen his back injury during world championships and the shoulder injury he has when he was younger. What other significant injuries has he had?

[@dimex3362]

Pretty much what I’ve always said… any movement is beneficial.. it simply matters what your goals are. You want your nutrition and program aligned with your goals.

[@feveredmushroomHD]

Some people can't do those behind the head exercises because their shoulder bone or whatever prevents them. Atleast I think 🤔 something to do with the bone hooking?

[@noosphericaltarzan]

I can see what he is training, but I think the risk using machines like that is high for most people. He snatches and jerks huge numbers every week. He is training to compete at the highest level of a sport and is genetically gifted. I am currently nursing a side delt injury just from forcing myself to catch the jerk in the bottom of that squat jerk position. I am going back to split jerks after this and not playing around with that Chinese stuff.

[@JG20204]

The focus of the workouts like the lat pull downs are not to isolate the back. It’s to show the muscles to work together as part of a bigger system, translating to a movement like the clean.

[@coacheugeneteo]

Exactly

[@yashuastryfe125]

Woo that book had a physics breakdown or an exercise. Any other book you knows that do this?

[@oraclegps]

You are the man , this is a good shit

[@Dusballin]

Great take, great video Eugene

[@BeNLaGRAiNE09]

Eugene spitting facts

[@solomonroskin8879]

Great review!

[@Yt-qi9ot]

Make an upright row video

[@knifemaximiliano]

Make more videos about the chinese athleates!

[@mohammadaman175]

Do you have a video on how to enhance recovery?

[@crookedpaths6612]

What’s the rest/ recovery time after a workout like that?

[@Aakash.Singh1]

The legend Lu Xiaojun. 3 times olympic gold medalist

[@thesea4120]

Is that a plini t shirt? Very nice!

[@coacheugeneteo]

🙏

[@erichrobb9950]

I also believe, that the Chinese use momentum because Olympic lifting is about using all of your muscles in coordination, and using momentum with their accessories makes them better at coordinating their body.

[@coacheugeneteo]

Exactly

[@tanngrisnr5076]

I almost never question people's technique at the gym unless they are clearly a newbie. I find most people at my gym are there to supplement other exercise they do

[@Dollyo98]

Doesn't relate to the video itself, but wasn't expecting you to wear a Plini t-shirt, I see you are a man of culture as well 😌

[@samadhistrength]

Genetics(built for weightlifting), drugs and consistent training. It's ridiculously easy to build strength and muscle on compounds so he can get away with it and would be successful with those accessory movements regardless. Doesn't mean anyone else should lift like that.

[@silasditzer]

that was a wild intro xD

[@coacheugeneteo]

🤣 Thank you! 🙏

[@juniorangel648]

How do you program this for a boxer?

[@bogdanalexandru2976]

The way they are looking jacked is close to natural limit of bodybuilding, while having imense power and mobility, for me this kind of training seems superior.

[@AdamAbbouchi]

just dropping a line to say that my favorite part of the video is the Jeff Cavalier burn & hope to see a lot more of that in future videos, I've been saying the same thing about his critiques of those movements for years now.

[@StraitjacketFitness]

4:27 "...recreational lifters..." Shows a clip of Daina Lynn Bailey.

[@jamescoleman1574]

He's a 3x Olympic champion and a 5x world champion. Good or bad form it works for him. Congrats to the athlete.

[@deathbag]

I wish fitness KZbinrs would work together to debate these topics instead of resorting to slinging mud around like you're doing here. It's boring and counter productive. I'm almost 40, upright barbell rows caused me a world of shoulder pain and impingements as I got older and thanks to Athlean X's advice I now do an alternative exercise without pain or discomfort.

[@slee2695]

Yes but universal statements are dumb...you have bad shoulder mobility..myself i feel great doing upright rows because i worked on shoulder mobility No one size fits all approach

[@deathbag]

@@slee2695 that's great and I'm happy for you and your mobile shoulders but totally you've missed my point. My issue isn't with universal statements, it's about the fitness community working together and creating a dialogue rather than the unnecessary vilification of others on the platform for having a difference of opinion or philosophy. I thought this channel and the author wasn't the type to blatantly traduce other content creators but I was wrong.

[@slee2695]

@@deathbag because athlean x is terrible..his click bait fear mongering keeps people from making progress..99% of his viewers forever stay in the beginner stage and never progress There is no bad exercise..only bad implementation, programming, etc If upright rows hurt, training that movement very lightly and slowly progressing until it doesnt hurt anymore is far better for shoulder health than avoiding it The movement that hurt you is the movement that will heal you

[@rayyan4516]

i think the backsquat at 0:30 is 280 kg. eleiko has green 20 kg plates to it looks like five 20 kg plates, and two 15 kg plates so 260 kg + bar. he wouldn't be struggling that much with a 200 kg backsquat

[@baam25th31]

Need to take into account this was him returning to weightlifting after a break caused by covid lockdowns. 200kg with muscle atrophy must have been a grind.