IS THIS THE END ? -Thwaites Dumper Rebuild

[@wideyxyz2271]

A rebuild please. We know you have the skills plus more. Time may be the issue, but it would be great to see the process. I dont tinker very much these days but you made me want to go out and get a "puller set" Lol just in case !

[@patkelly7999]

Great job Kurt and Puppo, would say rebuild it if at all possible, a second hand unit could have similar issues down the line, have a good week👌👍🙏🙂

[@simongriggs4351]

You Can't let this be the end of the good old Dupper mucker love the videos thanks

[@chrislovejoy8249]

Nice video again Mucker don't give up on the old dumper like to see it running.🚜😊👍

[@neilcotten2816]

Where are the people that could have got it running in 10 minutes? They could have used their spare time taking the steering apart for you! I reckon you can rebuild that easily enough so it’s good enough for use, be much cheaper than another steering box unless you know where there’s one. 👍🏻

[@grahamstretch6863]

Yeah, there’s always someone who can do it in ten minutes… until push comes to shove and then they evaporate like rain on a hot pavement! 🙄

[@ronniecumming7685]

Like the video Mucker. Try and rebuild it or see what it needs to rebuild it.

[@jessewigman4907]

Please continue and try and rebuild the box! Loving the videos 👍

[@kevinwillis9126]

Thanks Kurt great vid sir.... Take care...

[@LordMuck]

Cheers Kev 👍

[@mark2w0jmk7]

Rebuild it. I'm starting to enjoy the videos on the old dumper.

[@pilotiain8450]

Keep the project alive Mucka! Rebuild it and move forward 👍

[@trevorjarvis3021]

A man of your calibre would be able to rebuild that steering box Mucker, must be cheaper than purchasing a replacement one! Looking forward to watching you do it. Brilliant series on the old dumper! 👍❤️😊👏

[@SiR2Dean]

I've really enjoyed this dumper mini series. A few weeks before you started the project, i just got my little dumper fixed, and you're pretty much dealing with everything i had to contend with... even the arsey so-called professionals who just laughed at me for not knowing certain things about an engine, predating me by 50+ yrs and I'm 40! Funny things for you maybe... i used to use a digger with a strap wound round where you put the handle to start it, leave the decomp lever in the "run position" then lift the strap with my digger, like a pull start... that was ok but itd lift the dumper rear end sometimes.. so i made a frame and stuck an old honda gx160 with a clutch and pulley belt drive onto the crankshaft... yeah i looked at electric start, but that means lots of fab work i couldn't do. All made from marketplace parts, cheap as chips. I dont have a ytube chanel so no video on ere, ur welcome to come look anytime though if youre ever in lincolnshire 🎉 love your vids mate, nice to hear someone not taking crap from the "stationary engine community" ignore ppl who tell you to do a "pop off" test on the injector, mine didnt fire, i didnt want to buy a single job use £75 injector tester, so i just cleaned it, then just adjusted it till it squirted. Once the engine ran, i just adjusted the injector untill the smoke was bearable... its not right, but it runs fine, starts easily and has enough power for me.. I had to weld the diff to get anywhere on mud, oh and ended up replacing the piston because the skirt had fallen off, along with the oil scraper ring.. it was burning oil and "ran away" so i checked the piston. Nothing to do with bad injector pressure. 😊

[@stephenlee2571]

Stick some new bearings in it mucker, can't wait for the old girl to chug round the yard

[@johnlydon533]

Great video Mucker, I’d say rebuild. Enjoyed watching. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@trevorpearson1832]

I'm thinking try and rebuild it. Thanks for the video.👍

[@patrickjordan7670]

I started out on one of them dumpers back in 1970 I learned a life lesson from tipping a load of concrete that had solidified in the skip it threw me of the dumper I was only 14 it never happened again it was a challenge to get them started in winter many a lad broke his thumb looking forward to seeing it started 👍

[@robmk3]

Mucker that video clip that cut in when you found those parts of the steering box was class 🤣

[@mikeduin8311]

Nice one M'lod! I'd disasemble the steering box a bit more to see the full extent of damage and go from there if it's rebuildable or get the refurb one. Those pullers are nice, got a similar set myself, used it to get the ball bearings of my Honda MTX crankshaft. Cheers, Mike

[@lloydharrison2043]

Cracking video,love the series running on this dumper Lots of nice tips for everyone too learn And its good fun along the way

[@srlstephen8465]

It must be taking a lot of your time so it probably isn’t worth it but it would be lovely to see it going and driving again. Good job.

[@jamesfoad9639]

Far more interesting for use to see you rebuild it,

[@peterhenson6303]

She's worth a rebuild I reckon mate! Keep being you.

[@deranocasper]

What ever you put into the dumper it's a keeper you will find work for it it just needs tlc and the we dumper is in the right hands well worth saving ❤🎉

[@charliemorrison1994]

Great video as always mucker do whatever is most viable if its wrecked inside might be worth getting a decent second hand one as a starting point 👍

[@clairewalton8832]

I think you should get her up and running and do a raffle for the collies ,

[@LordMuck]

I've had a similar idea

[@AndyHumberstone]

Keep up the good work on the videos it always cheers me up when I watch and hear you 😊😊

[@Mr_Springy]

Really enjoying this mini series 👍🏻 It would be nice to see you disassemble it, even if you then determine it is BER and need a replacement. Once apart you have the knowledge as to whether it is worth the cost in time and money, to fix it

[@gmartin8240]

Another great video Mucker, continue to rebuild the steering box . Well done Mucker 👍 🔧 🚜

[@cari-joanjameson2989]

Thanks for sharing! Its not my time energy or funds so i dont feel right saying what you should do to fix it but i am looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Very cool little unit.

[@andyhoare3993]

If the bearings are available got to be worth trying a rebuild, assuming they're not made of unobtanium.

[@rhubarb130]

Give it a go at fitting new bearings and seals chances a second hand one might not be much better

[@SimonJones-iv5zh]

And the FB post makes sense now, OMG it is a can of worms. I think Lord Muck has fallen bad for this machine, not one orange glove in sight, using precision tools and the outro sat in the skip. I think this is getting the full work over and respray no matter what we say :)

[@dantheman7370]

I used to have one, the steering shaft was knackered, I got a series 2 landrover shaft and box, custom made a bracket to bolt it to, attached it to the pitman arm and it worked a treat

[@LordMuck]

I need a LHD one.

[@spannerdog123]

Rebuild, this far in ,Carry on this worm type steering box will apply to many classic Tractors too, plenty to see here.

[@robleary3353]

Always a laugh, always an education!. 😂

[@johnp1388]

Rebuild Sir - good work Mucker

[@stevenclaeys6252]

Thank you for another Great video. Cheers

[@jonkeighley2617]

I would like to see it repaired as long as it’s still serviceable when it’s finished.

[@davidgibbings6085]

I’m hooked Kurt , I think hatttie thwaits deserves to have a new life in old her box , she’s a straight dumper 🙏😉

[@Darrenws111]

Fabulous video mate 👍👍👍👍

[@miketaylor8777]

Excellent video as per usual, definitely rebuild.

[@christopherrolfe4543]

I would try and recon the unit you have

[@jamesyeo2947]

great video as always, those marles steering boxes can be quite a pain to rebuild

[@LordMuck]

£995 for a fully rebuilt unit !!!!!!!!! 😱😱

[@andygough4666]

@@LordMuck and dont forget the loadall to pick the the drill up as will need to be off a drilling rig lol

[@jimrawlings8567]

If it was me, I'd try and rebuild it. Old pushbikes / motorbikes and the like may well have had similar races and bearings. But then it's your time that I'm suggesting you commit not mine. Keep it up LM we all enjoy your content and delivery of it.

[@peterfarbrace3604]

Got to be worth a quick hunt around to see whats about and at what price..... just as you say some folk will want silly money for them but there are some that may be reasonable. If not rebuild as the next option. Another great vid 👍

[@andysaunders3708]

That "Shake Hands with Danger" is a classic...

[@Woodn509]

Only just caught up, not been getting notifications, definitely need to work smarter 😂, couple of blocks of wood to keep her in the air, never would have caught me working under a tank engine on a crane 🤭. Incredible the work going into something that looks so simple, clearly been out in the elements for while! Floating balls and no race in sight! That box looks beyond repair, I could be wrong, but you indicate that it would be expensive, by comparison, to replace. Could always make a yellow jacuzzi!!

[@KortechUK]

Disassemble it as much as you can to access the the damage to see if you can reuse the steering box. New bearings should be reasonably priced.

[@charleshart6992]

I'm sure that with your skills and ingenuity you can repair the existing steering box

[@jamessmith7691]

We have a place called Harbor freight . I bought the exact same set. It works great for all sorts of jobs. I vote to give the dog some biscuits and go grab a pint. Good video mucker !

[@LordMuck]

They are the same suppliers 😉 However HF have some really nice stuff we don't have.

[@flamingskoda]

People used to fit steering boxes from cars to try and repair small dumpers but the steering would go the opposite way. A steering box from a forward control van like an Austin J4 did work. My dumper has a worm and peg steering box, I think yours is the reciprocating ball type. That's where the loose balls are from. Hope you can get it sorted.

[@martinwhite7876]

I am eagerly waiting to see if it will start it I am totally in suspense here. Great content as always

[@TheGingerGenius78]

I’d keep going if possible just for the education value in your videos ! But time and money may say otherwise !

[@daviddavies1596]

Rebuild the steering box Kurt, I’m sure it can be done! Keep up the good work.

[@dominicwebb8000]

Keep the great videos coming. Couple of decent bearing websites that allow you to put either imperial or metric sizes in … might be a starting point.

[@bobpaterson1845]

Good video Kurt 👍 i would go for refurb on the original unless the spiral and gears are badly broken, have welded up badly worn gears and then ground them down before admittedly to get it as close to right as possible ended up using a Dremel 🙄😬 do well 👌

[@axcs0119]

Give that one a good clean so you can see what all needs replacing. Then if need be look for a replacement unit

[@benrichards7397]

Rebuild the unit you’ve got that way you know it’s a good one. Might be worth strapping it to the handler and drive about to see if it starts incase there’s other problems

[@MCDDC10]

A pair of bearings for the steering box are around £60. The steering box on ours was seized completely solid but drowning it in diesel and new bearings had it running smooth

[@LordMuck]

The bearings aren't the issue - the chewed up worm gear is

[@ianhaggart1438]

Nice one sir... 👍🏻.. Good old dumper... wouldn't mind one myself... to cart all my other crap to the dump .. 😅.. stay safe 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@bungle6668]

I think I would be going with a rebuild mate, i think once properly stripped and cleaned up, it will be a faily simple and cheap operation, after a trip to bearing services for all the neccesary!

[@andrewhallam2494]

Land rover series boxes work, dose on my dumper apart from turn left go's right 😂adds to the fun ,keep up the good work

[@johngell4842]

Do well to rebuild please mukka Nice video 🤠

[@gogglet72]

Fix up what you have mukka. Brilliant video one of my favourite series.

[@chrisroberts3479]

I've repaired many of these dumpers. I've replaced those boxes with anything that's remotely close. I think the last one was out of an old ford Anglia made brackets and job done.

[@LordMuck]

So what LHD box do you recommend ?...

[@chrisroberts3479]

The last box was an Anglia 105 box. One on eBay £30. Will need to make brackets but if I remember right the column was almost the right length (close enough)

[@JeffCullen-m6h]

Ive one of these sat as "garden art" but the steering is perfect on it if you can make use of the the thing for spares your welcome to it.

[@LordMuck]

Cheers Jeff, could you drop me a message on insta or FB ?

[@JeffCullen-m6h]

@ will do!

[@johnd7288]

Try and find a second hand one ! Good work analysis great video !

[@colinsmith6280]

Got to be a rebuild on the grounds I would like to see how it goes together and the cost of second hand replacement which could be as bad condition as the one you have now ,this is a restoration project ,look forward to the next video.

[@andybeech1054]

If you can get the part's to rebuild, have a good go👍🏼. DO WELL 👌🏽

[@JimmyDowling-m6e]

Fantastic video mucka

[@jimn10jn79]

Go for a rebuild - it will make a really interesting video

[@therealbenriley]

Ive had an array of parts from David Cornwallis for my 2 ton thwaites over the years. Some parts are by exchange, some are manufactured.

[@LordMuck]

I'm not paying £995 for a fucking steering box

[@therealbenriley]

@ that does seem a tad steep.

[@buttonmonkey6845]

😳

[@SCronin944]

I love this series it might explain why on the dumper i have recently bought there is a steering box but the weal and the bar down to it is removed i haven't interacted it yet

[@stephenfricker7106]

Rebuild it mucker. Another great interesting video.

[@JERRYRIG432]

Go to the Pub and forget it all !

[@marciabaldwin2506]

Assuming that steering box is saveable, it would be better to repair it a used replacement could be in worse condition if thats possible better the devil you know as they say mucker. Top quality video as always mucker ❤

[@mattyerfdog8873]

Had this issue with one of mine. I just put a series 3 land rover box on it. Downside is the steering wheel is taller.

[@LordMuck]

I'd need a Left Hand Drive steering box...

[@r1mein54]

Lift and hang with the telehandler will be as safe for you as it was for Diesel Creek Matt. Curt, take the pitman loose from the linkage, unbolt it from the frame and work on it in a vise on the bench. I think your Collie just wants it fixed NOW, so you can spend more time with it. Rebuild it and get on with it. Time to drive it in the yard.

[@LordMuck]

The worm gear is all chewed up, it's not going to work loose

[@Smiler1984]

Id say rebuild that one if you can mucker keep costs down....but i do still stand by a previous comment that is a bloody clean one still underneath there for her age its worth it for sure

[@g0fvt]

Being a latent bodger I would be eyeing up something like a Transit, Landrover or old VW steering box. As you rightly said, it was parked up for a reason.

[@timlander5915]

Same problem that I have with my winget 2s. I’ve not even looked at the engine as the steering box is knackered. There is a company (David Cornwallis) in Leominster that rebuilds marles steering boxes but they wanted £850 to do mine!!!! However they do have all the exploded diagrams on their website and will supply the parts I’ve just never got round to working out what parts I need.

[@tomcardale5596]

Zoro / Cromwell / Kennedy do quite a nice hydraulic puller set with bearing splitter and both two and three legged pullers. It works well. They're a lot less wobbly than the screw type ones because the main pushing shaft (erm...) is thicker. It was pretty good value, I paid about £100 two years ago but it's just about doubled since then. They call it "Hydraulic Puller Set (25 piece)".

[@LordMuck]

On smaller stuff I prefer the screw type as I can feel the pressure being applied. With bigger stuff I'd normally go hydraulic.

[@tomcardale5596]

@@LordMuck fair :) By the time I've got a puller out I'm normally tired and pissed off and am done with things going wonky. That being said, the "I'm done messing, apply all the force" approach does sometimes backfire when it's a left hand thread.

[@LordMuck]

😂😂

[@timstephenson4520]

personally having come this far i would go for a rebuild kit.

[@TheAde71]

L&S brownhills will probably have parts to rebuild it

[@matthewjoss417]

Rebuild the steering box you have as a second hand one is probably about 1 better than that one , that puller you used also comes with a hydraulic cylinder ,great bit of kit

[@johncone9516]

Repair it yourself, self satisfaction comes to mind.

[@merlepatterson]

You should be able find a substitute worm drive steering box that might be able to be adapted fairly easy. (something like a heavy duty gate valve worm drive) A 10:1 ratio worm drive box would give you 2.5 revolutions on the steering wheel for a quarter turn on the pitman. So you'd want to think of the ratio you'd like to use.

[@briangarden6976]

a rebuild would depend on the state off the worm on the shaft,but still a good wee dumper

[@anconablue72]

Definitely strip it , the hard bit is getting it off, have a butchers , bearing prob common size and have a go rebuilding it, gotta be better than risking a second hand one about to go same way.. plus i wanna buy some more raffle tickets 😆

[@paulmyhill4158]

chuck some new bearings in it, its dumper at the end of the day ,it only needs to turn the wheels . notchy or not and its good to see how things work.

[@LordMuck]

I'm not going to put a notch steering box on it FFS

[@s8mde]

Keep going, recondition the one you have,

[@windy1961]

Love your dog!

[@douglasmayherjr.5733]

Seems like you could rebuild that gearbox will a few bearings and seals. I don’t know what parts availability is for those. You’re not trying to rebuild a set of micrometers, it just has to turn. Thanks for the Videos, Kurt.

[@OriginalWirehead]

I would give the unit a touch more investigation, before writing a t off completely. Thanks for a calming Sunday evening.

[@erik_dk842]

Use beyond ballistics rust removal fluid recipe. Citric acid and washing soda. To remove only the rust from the internals of the steering box

[@garyturner5693]

Morning Mucker, you’re this far into it, so if I were you, I’d carry on with a steering box rebuild of sorts 👍

[@morganoflahertymachineryofirel]

A friend of mine was able to youse a steering box from an old VW van to get his dumper going about 20 years ago . Might be an idea

[@LordMuck]

LHD though...

[@whitestream5233]

A rebuild looks possible , but could you find another steering box off another vehicle that could be modified to fit? I'm looking forward to the next video mucker as I'm sure you will fix it good. all the best .

[@patrickmeyer1967]

Disassemble it first to determine the amount of damage to the box. Is the damage so bad that this is a non-reparable unit of could it be made to function with some minor new parts? E.G. Would it still function , but not like a brand new unit if rebuilt?

[@jonnojamwood]

Cheers mate 👍🇦🇺