Is THIS the NEXT BIG THING?? | Epic: the Musical - Horse and the Infant/Just A Man | Reaction

[@officialmortius]

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[@oceanapearl3503]

PERFECT/HORRENDOUS place to pause! 10:00

[@HollywoodandWine101]

The falsetto sent you to the heavens? It also sent the baby there too. 😅

[@officialmortius]

Hey man 🥺😆

[@SingingSealRiana]

Nope, the ancient greeks believed und an underworld, unless you becomes a good Like heracles, you will Not Rise into the heavens

[@mokajikai]

@@SingingSealRianait was a joke help-

[@MammalianCreature]

Riana read a joke and said "Nope" lmaooooo

[@elsie8757]

wAIT. WAIT, I NEVER REALIZED THAT "WHEN DOES A MAN BECOME A MONSTER" HAD A DOUBLE MEANING BEFORE...! I clocked that Odysseus was talking about himself killing the child, but it didn't occur to me that it could ALSO be referring to the child himself growing up to be vengeful! YOOOOOO THAT'S A WHOLE NEW LAYER UNLOCKED

[@officialmortius]

😁 I’m so glad I could give you that extra bit of appreciation there! Thank you for your comment!

[@tailsplane]

me too! I had never thought of this other interpretation

[@bearhugzfam649]

I KNOW RIGHT?! But also I love the fact that in the animatic it's juxtaposed with the olive tree sprouting from the kid. The full understanding of both of them as both whole and worthy lives, and monsters, both simultaneously, neither more nor less worthy. Odysseus isn't justifying what he's doing, nor is he defending the kid who will grow up to be a monster, they're both humans, they're both monsters, Ody is just the one with the power right now, that's all.

[@PandaPerson-nd2rj]

I only ever thought about the child being a monster, didn’t even think about Odysseys himself. It adds so much more meaning to it

[@Sacheelm]

I know, especially because of the song "Monster" and the lyrics in it

[@butterflyinthesky3568]

The thing that really breaks my heart about this animation - and really drives home Odysseus' change of thought concerning Hector's son - is that when he's talking about how much the infant reminds him of his son, Odysseus is holding him in his arms and has him pressed against his chest. When Odysseus steels himself to kill the infant, he picks him up by the blanket and holds him as far away from himself as possible, like he can't even allow himself to give comfort in the infant's final moments, or he won't be able to do it.

[@AnonEMouse-ls7fp]

Omg, yes. For me, it's how Gigi has Odysseus put his hand to his mouth and literally step away from the cradle when Zeus and his ensemble says, "if you don't end him now, you'll have no one else to save." Odysseus, a seasoned warrior at war and in the process of sacking the city, is -horrified- at the suggestion.

[@butterflyinthesky3568]

@@AnonEMouse-ls7fpYesss!!! Oh, it's *so* good!!

[@rainestar6781]

Not to mention just before that he is shown putting on his helmet, which he took off the moment he saw that his opponent was an infant. The animation seems to make out as if it would be easier to rationalize his actions if he is just a soldier. A soldier doing what he can to make sure he gets home safely to his wife and kid. And as he says, he would trade the world.

[@lorddurpatronofthedurpatro3350]

And not only all of that and stated before, but a little known fact is that he did drop the infant, not only infront of all his men but also the mother of said infant to whom i believe was Helen but do crucify me if im wrong.

[@schoolsenpai773]

​@@lorddurpatronofthedurpatro3350 there's another animatic (can't remember who by) that has the mother being 'escorted' by the soldiers when they see him approaching the wall, with her trying to tear away to save her son

[@DevilSpade]

Nah that baby is so unbelievably dead, 12 feet under, splatted like a melon, deader than Adam, I could not imagine something that is as dead as that baby

[@Noveltea1113]

Oh my word 😭

[@killuazoldyck7442]

Your comment made me laugh 😂

[@HoomanCat]

Now I *need* to imagine something deader than “that baby” 😂

[@АружанМақсатқызы-ш7ш]

I'm no Polites but I think getting crushed by a giant club can rival falling from a wall

[@PineMountainMusician]

Literally all but 43 if Odysseus’ crew after Polyphemus and Poseidon: *allow us to introduce ourselves*

[@alexandralugo1743]

Yes. Odysseus kills Astyanax. Astyanax, the baby, was was thrown from the battlements of Troy by Odysseus. Plunging to his death. In another story Neoptolemus (Neo in the song), Achilles's son, was the one to do it. But the most agreed version of the story was that Astyanax was killed at the hands of Odysseus by the command of the gods. You can see at the end of the animanic "Just a Man" that a woman was restrained from running towards Odysseus as he gets ready to drop Astyanax. That's Andromache, Astyanax's mother. In the story, Astyanax is dropped and killed right in front of her as she tries to save him but is held back from doing so. 😢 *Edit. I should calrify, It's been a while since I read the Iliad. I don't fully remember if Princess Andromache watching her son's death was in the original tale or if it was added later on. What I do know is that there are a lot of beautiful but heartbreaking painting depicting soldiers ripping Astyanax from her arms and other paintings depicting Andromache trying to reach Astyanax befor he hit the growned put being restrained from doing so.

[@EG-hy9mv]

In some of the versions where Neo does the killing, he uses Astyanax's corpse as a club to beat his grandfather King Priam to death, I believe while he was right about to get sanctuary in a temple. Talk about brutal

[@grimmjowcutie13]

Are you talking about wolfy's version of just a man van I can't find that scene in gigi's

[@kathrynhunt6883]

Pretty sure they're talking about different versions of the story from Greek mythology. There isn't ONE account of the events of the Trojan War, and the details differ a lot from one version to the next.

[@grimmjowcutie13]

@kathrynhunt6883 oh I thought they were talking about the animatics since they mentioned them.

[@alexandralugo1743]

@@EG-hy9mv Oh yes. I remeber that. I can't beleive I forgot that part. Damn. That is brutal.

[@dreamsofdusk]

some fun little symbolism about odysseus putting on his helmet! it's said that hector, the kid's dad, held him with his helmet on. The baby got scared, though, and started crying. Hector laughed and took off his helmet, at which point the baby stopped crying, recognising him as his dad. So, in this video, the moment that Odysseus puts his helmet on can be said to be the moment he decides to kill the baby ---> aka the moment odysseus stopped being a 'man' or 'dad' in the baby's eyes, but a 'monter'

[@SingingSealRiana]

Yeah, especially cause He First faces the Kid without His helmet, basically inverting hectors action

[@jesuschristbutafab9923]

oh Oh oh. no.

[@Doutor_Claison]

WHEN.... DOES A MAN BECOME A "MOOOONTER"!!!!

[@Jun-Ana]

oh.

[@neon_lights]

Wow it was not enjoyable to know this fact

[@Chaotic_Oddity]

In the odyssey, Odysseus does kill the baby by throwing him off the castle walls, in an act that's cements the beginning of his loss of humanity. While not shown in the song or animatic, he does kill the infant, so take that knowledge and watch the song again and it becomes so much more and I almost cried the first time I heard it after knowing that.

[@_hxlxnn]

Odysseus killing the baby is not shown in the actual Odyssey! We actually get that information from Euripides play "The trojan women". But anyhow it's so sad 😭

[@disableddragonborn]

@@_hxlxnn From what I found, it's unclear whether it was him or Neoptolemus that murders Astyanax in Homer's _The Odyssey._

[@Mango-o5v]

Polities tried to bring him back, but he… yup.

[@macromondo8026]

*When you realize "A foe who won't run" fits because a baby can't run & should he be spared he'll become an AVENGER who won't run till the deed is done.*

[@kriszgamer0013]

"Suddenly Zeus" could be the one-line plot of 60% of greek myths. 😂

[@Pan_Tran_DnDfan]

AND THEN ALONG CAME ZEUS (usually in more ways than one)

[@missblue5701]

​@@Pan_Tran_DnDfan hahah i get it. came zeus period

[@acanimatics906]

There's two separate books about Percy the main character of The "Percy Jackson and the gods of Olympus" series just retelling greek myths aimed at the kids who read the modern fantasy series and would then want to know more about the actual lore of the mythology referenced in them and at one point in one of the two books there's a similar comment made of how a lot of myths can be Explained by "and then, Zeus." Or something like that. Just thought it was funny to hear the same joke again because it really is true.

[@disableddragonborn]

The ensemble can either be specifically named like "Soldiers" and other times, it's just ensemble, without any actual characters being the voice. "Ruthlessness" has the darkest example of that. It's not Odysseus's dead crew coming back to ponder when a man becomes a monster, it's Poseidon fucking with Odysseus after traumatizing him by killing his men in front of him, and further traumatizing him by using their voices.

[@DarkestNova556]

The Animatics are not cannon but majority of them are almost exactly what’s happening in the story so they might as well be. He does indeed drop the baby in the Odyssey from the tower.

[@NerdAlert4224]

Jorge had a few commissioned, like Done For, that incorporate what he imagined happening on screen during the song. All the animatics are so good, there are so many talented artists

[@acequeenofthedeck8431]

Fun fact! The voices in the backround when oddyseus sings is meant to be his men, his soldiers. The only time its not the men, is if its a god (they give themselves backround vocals because theyre...theyre something in this musical to say the least XD)

[@ivysylvan]

Neo is referring to Neoptolemus, also called Pyrrus. He's Achilles's son. His name is where we get the term pyrric victory.

[@raegancollins1451]

Small correction: the term Pyrrhic victory (a victory that feels like a defeat due to the victorious side sustaining unacceptably high losses) comes from Pyrrhus of Epirus, who lost so many troops when he defeated the Romans in battle in 280-279 BCE that he reportedly said “If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined.” (Plutarch, “The Life of Pyrrhus”) It is possible that that Pyrrhus was named after Neoptolemus, though, since naming your kids after mythological figures was pretty common. Either that or he had red hair.

[@giuliagabriela9729]

​@@raegancollins1451 I think it's funny how your answer is basically "yes, but actually no" meme

[@wankawanka3053]

​@@raegancollins1451 Pyrrhus belonged to a dynasty that claimed descent from Neoptolemus so it's not a coincidence

[@ya3_m1k03]

neoptolemus is so bbg

[@ghostsurfer23]

I'm so glad that THAT segment of Just a Man winning people over is such a universal experience in this fandom. I first heard it in a gods damn Adventure Time AMV, that wasn't even the main part of the video it was in. That's so ridiculous and silly to me.

[@elizabethgatchell4546]

I first heard it in an Avatar:the last airbender AMV so same.

[@saram.knight9930]

I think I first saw Epic in a Owl House edit on TikTok and it was the same part

[@KDsage123]

​@@elizabethgatchell4546I also followed that song from an ATLA AMV!

[@clemnthyme8700]

i heard it in a baldur’s gate 3 edit which fit the characters SO well, and i was so blown away by the song. immediately fell into the epic the musical pipeline lmao

[@enigma3238]

I got into this with a snippet of ‘done for’

[@kathrynhunt6883]

ahhhhh I hadn't even noticed before but in "Just A Man" the animator included the BED. The bed with the living tree trunk Odysseus incorporated into it. Cool!!

[@SingingSealRiana]

In the Story IT IS Not AS obvious though, that ITs a tree If I Recall IT right

[@kathrynhunt6883]

In the poem the fact that it's rooted to the ground in the bedroom - that he actually built the bedroom around it - is how Penelope knows it's him. She tells him that she'll have the bed pulled out into the courtyard for him to sleep in and he gets angry asking "who cut through the post so the bad can be moved? I built it without cutting through the trunk so no one should be able to move the bed," and since that's something only she and he would know she can confirm it's really him. But yeah, I think in the poem it looks like any other bedpost - he took off the branches so no one else knows it's a tree.

[@LostTempest]

⁠@@kathrynhunt6883if I’m not mistaken he doesn’t get angry. He shows up disguised because of Athena, Penelope doesn’t recognize him and after him answering all her questions she says that his final task for him to prove he is Odysseus is to move their bed into the courtyard so they could sleep together, Odysseus started weeping asking how could she ask such a thing of him because their bedroom is incorporated into an olive tree so what she is asking is an impossible task, she then knows that’s something only Odysseus himself and she would know.

[@pazitrabinowitz3241]

I'm so happy you're reacting to Epic!! To answer a couple of your questions: yes, Jorge is singing the part of Odysseus. The bulk of the "official Epic canon" is just the music, but there are a few official animatic snippets made as collaborations between Jorge and various animatic artists which were used as promos for the Ocean and Circe sagas (I don't think there were any official ones for the Troy or Cyclops sagas, but I might be forgetting). Jorge also has a lot of content on youtube and elsewhere where he talks about the musical behind the scenes/instrumental motifs/etc, and also sometimes gives additional information about what is happening in a scene which isn't already explicit from the music. So while the fan animatics are mostly working from just whatever is in the music, they sometimes also draw on extra info Jorge might have mentioned about "canon" stage directions or setting. Looking forward to the rest of your reactions!

[@officialmortius]

Thank you for your input!!

[@Garanseho]

9:10 "Suddenly Zeus??" Is how pretty much every story in Greek mythology starts

[@Random_Kelsey]

Him continually pausing right before it gets to the big reveal that Zeus is telling Odysseus to kill an infant hurt me 😂

[@officialmortius]

Listen, 98% of the time I stand by the thoroughness at which I pause and analyze/discuss but every once in a while it does serve as a detriment 😆

[@DanksterPaws]

It’s the genius of the musical not the reactor’s fault. The sound design is so good that you can kind of sense that’s somethings coming up. As a reactor, if you got something to say, better say it before the next big part comes up.

[@Fruity_one]

A little something goin foward: Jorge likes to bring back certain melodies as the songs go on. For example, you'd hear the melody of Penelope (7:33) which is played by a viola, whenever Oddyseous talks about her. So keep some melodies and lyrics in mind as they will be brought back goin foward. Since i mentioned the Viola as importand, you might also know that Jorge gives each characters an instrument to represent them. For Oddyseous is a Nylon guitar when he's vulnerable, and an Electric guitar when he's being strategic/ruthless. Or others like Athena and Poseidon, who are represented by a Piano amd Brass instruments respectevly

[@unclewiley1986]

The term is leitmotif!

[@Fruity_one]

@@unclewiley1986 I know

[@TheSaharay1]

He actually just highlighted another motif he introduced in The Horse and the Infant before the vision of adult Astanyax with the Viola being the "Danger is Coming" motif, which he has said he's hidden in other places throughout the soundtrack.

[@Fruity_one]

@@TheSaharay1 Yeah i just saw, i noticed it at the start of Polyphemous, but don't know where else

[@TheSaharay1]

@@Fruity_one it's at the start of Ruthlessness too

[@larchan1350]

Idk if you've looked it up yourself Mortius but here is some stuff about greek shtuff. Ok, so "Neo, avenge your father, kill the brothers of Hector" Neoptolemus, originally called Pyrrhus at birth, was the son of the warrior Achilles and Princess Deidamia and the brother of Oneiros

[@alyssadaniels7841]

EPIC is a whole masterpiece! Jorge is a musical genius. There are so many intricate details throughout all the sagas. Certain instruments belong to each character, motifs are woven into songs as callbacks, even the way certain notes are sung subtly tell the story. The Troy and Cyclops sagas are still my favorites so far. Yes, Jorge sings the main role of Odysseus.

[@disableddragonborn]

"This is the will of the gods." Zeus knows damn well that's a lie. He knows the Trojan War had Olympus near civil war, with some wanting Troy to win, and others wanting Ithaca to win. He just wants a mortal to tie up a loose end instead of using his influence as THE KING OF THE GODS to keep the others in line.

[@TailsFan]

Man, he needs someone to keep HIM in line.

[@disableddragonborn]

@@TailsFan I'm a Hellenic Pagan. This shit is my religion. Hera usually keeps him in line as much as anyone can. Zeus is gonna do what Zeus is gonna do.

[@TailsFan]

@@disableddragonborn Dude needs a chastity belt and a leash.

[@Dracon350]

aw, look at Mortius here, completely unaware of the absolute heartbreak awaiting him.

[@jayden_arsonew]

really enjoyed this reaction bc we actually hear the whole song, and you speculating is cool btw bc its not frustrating as long as its sth you couldnt have known yet lol. cool vid!

[@StoatInATrenchcoat]

The background ensemble when none of the characters are singing are the gods. So in when you hear the background vocals in Just A Man at 22:35 that is Zeus repeating those things to Odysseus to convince him that he needs to do this. A lot of songs involving gods do this btw. It's really worth it to keep track of when this is being done, knowing that it's their choice to add ensemble vocals can give a lot of insight into their character and motivation!

[@vaquishers]

So that was Zeus? I was wondering for a long while who the backing vocals were since it seemed like Zeus left

[@hblue7176]

I always thought it was meant to be the onlooking warriors as it is cannon that Odysseus kills the child in a very public fashion.

[@deltadash1134]

@@hblue7176from what I understand stand the Ensemble is both. The gods have an electronic component because it’s something that was impossible to be made in the time period of the odyssey.

[@Zach2003]

I mean the thing Zeus 'foreshadowed' kind of resolves in Just a man, but I still think you're correct on the Foreshadowing part in a broader sense if that makes sense. Without wanting to spoil anything, I think Zeus' words still matter for the later sagas and foreshadow them in a way.

[@JohnDoe-tt5qc]

Really funny Easter egg that Gigi put into this animatic, when Odysseus is thinking back to his time with Penelope at 18:59, we see them sleeping in a bed carved out of living trees. This was an actual thing in The Odyssey, and when Penelope and Odysseus reunite, she tests him by saying she moved their wedding bed, and when he gets visibly upset and confused (because how do you move a bed carved into a whole ass tree) she knows it’s really him.

[@omnishangout747]

Will I like this new KZbinr? ✅ has a happy personality ✅gives credit where credit is due ✅analysis the animatic as much as the audio ✅exudes excitement ✅give original ideas Ok I’m interested

[@officialmortius]

Welcome in 👀

[@fleischsalat318]

22:03 "WHO?" The continuation of the Owldyssey🦉

[@mnevam]

I paused at this to check the comments. Was not disappointed

[@fleischsalat318]

Nice! ❤️😁 Check out the owldysse by Gwendy NS2D (to all those who doesn't know yet)

[@alexhart1279]

So far i haven’t seen anyone talk about what I think is the hardest line in the first song. “The blood on your hands is something you won’t lose, all you can choose is whose”

[@ThePoketroller]

I believe Neoptolemus (Neo) is the son of Achilles, so in the line, "neo avenge your father kill the brothers of hector" he is avenging Achilles who was killed earlier in the Trojan war.

[@SingingSealRiana]

Correct!

[@SingingSealRiana]

Spot on!

[@LadyGreensleeves33]

YESSS. Please delve into this. Jorge is amazing and the way he's structured this is genius. Please watch some of his content and clips as well! Edit: Yes, he did drop the baby. The song cuts off and the baby drops. The animatic just chose to fade to black.

[@midnightmoon7257]

In one of the animatics for just a man, when Odysseus holds the lil baby over the wall, you actually see a moment of two of Odysseus's men leading a woman away who we are suppose to see as the boy's mother (Andromache) who turns around and when seeing what is about to happen actually tries to break away from the soldiers to try and go after her baby, but isn't able to break away and you just see her hang her head down seemingly crying, which makes you process that while yes this boy's father caused so much problems and was killed, and the boy was said to be destined to be a strong scary soldier if he survived, the idea that his mother could have still been there alive and could have either seen or learn of her infant's fate kinda hurts

[@SM-fz3et]

I joined in the middle of *Casper's* introduction, so finally going back to watch this journey from the beginning. How delightful.

[@LuckasSilver]

"That falsetto just sent me to the heavens." as Odysseus sends an infant to the heavens.

[@officialmortius]

😭

[@jaytucker7873]

When the chorus vocals come in we see Odysseus carrying the baby out of the house, back into the battleground where the rest of the Greeks are fighting. Effectively we're rejoining the battle and they get a voice too. Obviously the song is focused on Odysseus and his personal question of "when does a man become a monster?" But I always see this moment as a focus shift from just him asking, to all of the Greeks asking that question as they are destroying the people of Troy.

[@Etho_9]

Your enthusiasm and genuine commentary with interesting insights is really refreshing to see :) Also, I totally get having to read the lyrics, I too have been cursed with auditory processing issues and the fact that you cared enough to actually pull up the lyrics and understand the story means a lot! I look forward to your other reactions and imma go check out the rest of your channel :D

[@officialmortius]

Thank you so much! Welcome to the team!!

[@riversoblivionstudios]

I am also in the camp of please give me lyrics 🩵

[@bhelm847]

Yeah he did. In the song that Odysseus goes into the underworld he states that the infant's death still haunts him.

[@SingingSealRiana]

IT better does!!!

[@Ekami-chan]

I love this is getting more attention and you start at the start, best songs! 👏 7:10 Achilles's son's full name is Neoptolemus :D I hope you do more Epic musical videos~ Wolfy the witch's "just a man" animation still makes me cry...

[@luisdomingos246]

In another (unreleased) song he says "and if I gotta drop another infant from a wall in an instant so we all don't die". That means he did kill the son of Hector

[@terenzoiuxcvb8974]

Good thing it's released

[@ezraabbadon5082]

Yes, Odysseus yeeted a child of a wall.

[@sylvirgiomanach1491]

Wolfythewitch has this tiny clip of Just A Man that ends with a full send *YEET!!!* and it freaking slays me every single time.

[@jesuschristbutafab9923]

​@@sylvirgiomanach1491 yeah it slayed the baby too

[@codeghostd3277]

Neoptolemus, in Greek legend, is the son of Achilles, the hero of the Greek army at Troy

[@kory_misun]

My first experience of EPIC was when a Twitter artist I follow made a Helluva Boss animatic where Blitz and Stolas split. I had no idea that My Goodbye was connected to a project that I will now love for my entire life. I'm so glad to be here now!

[@HalElsen]

Coming back to see where your Epic journey started. It's been a treat watching you experience this story and the friends you've made along the way. I wish you so much joy in this new year, Mortius!

[@enigma3238]

WAIT I FOUND SOMETHING Ok when Zeus says “a foe who won’t run” I could mean ‘when he goes to kill you he won’t run away’ or It could mean ‘kill your enemy now he’s vulnerable and can’t run away’

[@franjmorion]

I started my journey through Epic in march, and then I went to look reactions and yours was the first I found and sent me to the rabbit hole of listening to Epic everyday and founding you, Casper, Jen, Peter, and some others. Thank you, Mortius.

[@Moongirl12121]

So pumped to see your reaction to everything. I’ve been following Jay on TikTok since 2020, welcome to the Winion army, please enjoy your stay. I loved your reaction to just these two, and oh man, all of them are gonna be so good. I love hearing Athena’s clock ticking as The Horse And The Infant kicks off. Also also, that’s a guitar strumming, not a drum at the beginning, it symbolizes Odysseus using his cunning.

[@tammyt3434]

"I think this is foreshadowing." Call me Cassandra because my inner prophet says it's time to hate Zeus even more.

[@orfeasdunne767]

Omg this was really fun to watch and see how you react to all the moments. Can't wait for the new upload of you reacting to Epic. Also for 24:10, Jay has scripts that he sometimes shows us on streams and stuff. These scripts have sometimes like a line or two to tell you what someone is doing at any part of the song(e.g. Odysseus sits near a campfire, Penelope weaves her shroud). This is more so that that the actors(when this gets brought to a stage) know what to do, where to be. But for now, animators use them for story-accurate animations. Jay also uploads snippets of unreleased songs on tiktok and instagram sometimes and he gives us the context of the situation(e.g. Odysseus and his men are trapped in Polyphemus' cave and are trying to find a way out). But there are some moments that are headcannon. I can't give you an example because it would be a spoiler but there definitely are some in the animatics I've watched Edit: Also there are some trigger warnings that you need to know of: Violence, attempted r*pe, SA, de*th, g*re.

[@CrazyPyro516]

Epic is SO GOOD 😭 So glad to see some more reactions and love to this project, thank you!!

[@Creecher98]

"It has to be a demi god or someone like that right"...oh man he's not ready. Yeah he totally does it. He kills the baby in the Odyssey, or the end of the Iliad I can't remember but it happens.

[@annikadauer402]

6:47 NEOPTOLOMUS SON OF ACHILLES MY DEAR BELOVED

[@cchsvolleyball1432]

Ruthlessness and Just a Man are both in my top 5 songs from this project. This whole project is amazing though.

[@ashleymiyares6078]

Thank you for reacting to this-it's finally gotten me to actually listen to this project! (It's been floating around me 'this is something I know I will like, I should totally check it out...eventually' part of my brain pretty much since I heard about it...over a year ago? I'm coming into it with no first-hand knowledge of the Odyssey, only through adaptations of parts, summaries, and cultural osmosis, though odd context for me for these first two songs (all I've listened two at the moment-listened to them first so I could watch your reaction, then will check out the rest) is the production of Trojan Women my college did my freshman year, meaning that I know enough about this particular moment to not only know what Odysseus chooses, but to about choke when I first hear the 'when does a comet become a meteor' line. I guess I'm about to find out if the musical itself gives enough detail to make that line as obviously tragic/ironic as the 'man become a monster' line-but I guess you technically know before I do, since you've recorded the next few reactions, and I haven't heard the next songs yet...

[@eniettelia8698]

wait, can you elaborate on why the 'comet becomes a meteor' line make you choke? because I didn't realize that line was a reference to anything

[@ashleymiyares6078]

@@eniettelia8698 So, you know how a lot of the animatics/livestream depict/imply what Odysseus eventually does to the baby? yeah, that's in the play Trojan Women, if off-stage. so 'when does a comet [this thing that will come around eventually in a prescribed time] become a meteor [something that falls and is destroyed]?' kind of caught me off-guard. could be my reading into it, but that's the first place my brain went when I heard the line.

[@amandahufnagle6876]

Im so excited that youre finally reacting to this! Ive been following Jorge's progress for about 3 years now, and his passion is infectious. He goes into detail about behind the scenes stuff on a regular basis on his tiktok and youtube channels. I love the little things you pointed out, but i cant wait for when ypu progress further into the show and can look back and see all the flavor bits he added as early as his first song. There is so much nuance to every instrument choice, styling flair, and even vocal decision that once you see them for what they are they will blow your mind. I look forward to watching ypu fall in love with this musical like so many of us already have!

[@MoiraMcGill]

Mortius: That falsetto just sent me to the heavens Me: And that baby xD It's insinuated that he dropped the baby when the music dropped out

[@loganfrandrup6590]

Going back down memory lane...I know the first chapter, the consept album, is finished, but I feel like this story is going to be sticking with a lot of people for years to come.

[@madi-l1n]

7:10 Neo is the son of Achilles who was killed by Prince Paris of Troy. So he's basically telling him to go get revenge for Achilles

[@volran]

Your reaction had me smiling all the way through and really brightend up my day. Thank you. ❤

[@officialmortius]

Wow! Thanks so much for saying that and for sending the Super Thanks, I’m truly thrilled I could improve your day like that :)

[@Kamarovsky_KCM]

AAAAA I'm so happy you took to reacting to Epic!!!! Out of all the reactors out there, you're not only one of my absolute favourites, but also THE most fitting one for this series of songs, which this reaction has proven as it was just phenomenal! I've been following Jorge's work for years now, and the moment the Troy Saga dropped I already thought "Oh damn, it would be so fun if Mortius reacted to that one" so it's truly amazing that you decided to do so!

[@lowstamina_arts]

YESS MORE PEOPLE ARE REACTING TO THIS IN WORK MASTER PIECE!! If you want to do them in order it’s Troy saga, Cyclops Saga, Ocean Saga, then the newest released saga Circe Saga! Also the creator is still working on this, there will be 40 songs in the entire musical and he wrote all of them! Also yes he did kill the child this will be a musical based the entire Odyssey (The story of Odysseus), the animations are not canon but some do go off of the odyssey specifically which is basically canon to the songs

[@theblackestdove]

Having just finished all of the reactions, I immediately had to come back and watch the brain rot from the beginning!

[@DanielKimmothy]

This man didn't know what he was getting into

[@officialmortius]

Real 🤣😭

[@leaf3750]

Rewatching from the beginning now we have the reactions to the whole thing🥲

[@mysteroads5598]

I'm glad that Gigi makes the ending much clearer with her remastered version. 😅

[@besthokage7822]

Dang it’s almost been a year since Mortius started this series crazy to think how far he and the muisical have come

[@nolyfe_0034]

Love the definition of "a different musical format". This is like no musical I've ever heard. It fires up the musician and the metal head in me!

[@lukestiles3703]

I have watched all of these Epic reactions as soon as they were all released…now I’m going back through and watching all of them again. Who else??

[@miscellaneoushermit5025]

@ 22:42 I believe the choice to have many voices in the background are to reflect the use of the Chorus in Greek theatre, who would act as a bride between the action and audience, by either elaborating on the story or amplify what was already taking place.

[@fleischsalat318]

7:02 "That's just tickling the back of my brain" Im gonna add that to my everyday use, for I'm struggling to find something deep down my useless brain so often. And this is a funny way to phrase that haha

[@nikpopnanime]

im only halfway through the video right now but im enjoying it so much, i immediatelly turned on the notifications👍🏻 i havent seen such an interesting reaction in a long time, im really enjoying it. so glad i found u :]

[@sunofsnek]

"Deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife" A few sagas later...HITS DIFFERENTLY

[@AzziyaOnline]

WELL AFTER VENGEANCE SAGA-

[@sunofsnek]

@Azziyaisalwaysonline Yeah...can't debate his determination...

[@disableddragonborn]

It's nice to see someone else who has to use subtitles to fully process things. I have brain damage, and that's one side effect I'm most insecure of.

[@richardhughes8111]

"Suddenly Zeus" - Cause of 99% of the Ancient Greeks problems

[@Arcturus5847]

I loved your analysis of this!! ive been watching every reaction to epic I can find because its an amazing work of art, it got me starting to read the odyssey as well. not many reactors appreciate how *good* Jorges voice is, his falsettos and ability to switch to his head voice is impeccable, not to mention the creative genius it took to write and compose an entire musical himself. cant wait to see you react to the other songs!!

[@kiropterain1]

I found out about you because of Danny Motta's epic video, and im so glad i did. I loved this video and can't wait to watch more!

[@Hamc2811]

my brother in christ, the animatics are based on the actual odyssey and the musical, which is what the songs take from We have the entirety of the cannon

[@haluju1570]

I found epic the musical years ago, when Jorge just popped up on my fyp, he had around thousand followers at that time, then i kinda got distracted forgot about him. and then Epic founds its way back on my youtube feed and I'm genuinely happy he got this far.

[@themegagamer6664]

Yes Mortius, this was in fact the next big thing

[@SayukiSuzukiMizuno]

You can call Jorge "Mr Jalapeno". I love your reactions btw. Can't wait when you get to the newest saga

[@officialmortius]

I think you’d be happy to look at my channel right about now then :)

[@idkidc9162]

4th time rewatching your reactions and caspers aswell aha love it everytime❤😂

[@DevilYouKnow77]

Going to spend the day (re) going through the whole Epic Reaction Playlist in anticipation of him reacting to the Vengeance saga 😁

[@crescentfeather7]

8:20 Oh you are NOT ready for the rest of the musical, Jorge hits some IMPRESSIVE notes

[@crescentfeather7]

10:00 GIGGLING. YEAH IT'S OKAY WE ALL HAVE THOSE MOMENTS. Also "suddenly Zeus" killed me. Yeah he does that

[@crescentfeather7]

14:30 godddd having been through this whole musical already I can hear the melody the siren sings while directing Odysseus on where to go, and "the blood on your hands is something you can't lose, all you can choose is whose" is HAUNTING considering the next time we see Zeus

[@jesuschristbutafab9923]

Probably obvious to others but cool little musical detail: the strings in the back of the actual fighting scene is the same as the ones in Ruthlessness, when the soldiers yell "Captain!" AND!! Zeus's speech is reflected in the melody of Odysseus's verses in Survive. "That is who we're fighting (Polyphemus)" "I don't think you're ready/I know that I'm ready." ourghhh hyperfixation is REAL

[@HUARIEE]

So nice to see a reaction where you actually add something and somewhat analyze it🥰 Cant wait to see more from you!

[@officialmortius]

Thank you so much! I love this kind of thing so I’m glad I was able to add my own insight to it in such a way :)

[@30092nana]

So for a little bit of musical context Jay has talked about from his tiktoks and youtube shorts: (Ill skip down a little incase its something you wanna watch and not be spoiled on) There are many a motif and leifmotif in Epic not only describing the characters, but also the actions of said characters. For instance, Odysseus is characterized by a guitar. If he is being cunning and strategic, t's accompanied by an electric guitar when he sings (Very present in Horse & The Infant) Meanwhile when there is more emotional moments and one's of contemplation by him there is a Nylon String Guitar (Very present in Just a Man). The gods are very much characterized by synth and electronic sounding music which will become more apparent later in the Circe Saga There are many other motifs, but as of writing these are the only songs you have reacted to and I don't wanna spoil too much. However there are so many fun musical bits and elements to pick up to those who are listening for it no matter how subtle.

[@alisond929]

Athena is characterized by piano and clock ticks. And when she is ruthless in her mindset her music is faster.

[@craaaaaanewiiiiiiives]

"a vision of what is to come" guys is this foreshadowing????!!!

[@computer_V1R3N]

"Is THIS the NEXT BIG THING??" **six months later.** "JORGE JORGE RELEASE MORE SAGA'S. AND MY LIFE. IS YOURS!!!!!"

[@waterlover4459]

Just wanted to thank you for this video. I was having kind of a rough day but seeing this really turned things around. Looking forward to binging this whole series of reactions!

[@fothorso]

I forgot about the Suddenly Zeus meme until this xD

[@willwatts6733]

I think this is my fifth or sixth time now watching your (and Caspers) reactions to Epic! I’m so excited to see your reaction to The Underworld Saga!❤😁

[@meaypie11]

Man, I appreciate your input as I'm learning these songs. You're spotting tidbits and then moving back a few seconds so I can hear it again the exact way I would, and it's amazing. ❤❤

[@legitimatemedicine]

I have audio prcessing issues too! Im still so mad KZbin ruined their captioning system a few tears ago

[@officialmortius]

THANK you, I’m so glad someone else knows the struggle

[@disableddragonborn]

"When does a cabbage become a meteor?" 🤣

[@madrone33]

Yes! So happy you’re reacting to Epic! I really like how you talk about the music and vocal details. Looking forward to the next one!

[@Shadow_Person11]

Alright, 1. Thank you for introducing me to this, and 2. Curse you for making me have to decide whether to wait until the story is done and binge watch it alongside you or go watch the whole thing by myself now. 😅

[@loganclarke1287]

another animatic about just a man that I feel adds to the narrative heart brake and just overall emotions is "Just a Man [ EPIC: The Musical | Animatic | Remake ]" by Wolfy the witch it actually goes into and shows the end and the descsion Odysseus makes

[@Thatonefannoonelikes]

You’re the type of guy that could pause in the middle of the chorus and I’d watch with heart eyes (I admire your enthusiasm 💓)

[@benjje23]

The line 'neo avenge your father kill the brothers of hector' is because neo is the son of achilles who died in troy from prince paris