Is This Why Microsoft Has Never Spoken About Windows 12?

The specifics are not clear, but it is clear that there has been a strategic shift at Microsoft: www.ghacks.net...
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[@chessnord7934]

Windows 12 will require hardware only available 5 years after its release.

[@xgui4-studios]

that impossible you mean probably brand new copilot+ pc hardware

[@trivalentclan]

Like happened with Windows 8, where my coworker purchased a new PC which came with Windows 8 but was not compatible with Windows 8, so he had no audio after the first Windows 8 update. At that point to late to return the computer.

[@The-Real-Skinny-Bob]

@@trivalentclan Windows 8 should have been deleted on every system. Complete garbage!

[@darthgardner]

@@The-Real-Skinny-Bob It was reworked and became windows 10 as both were based on windows NT just like vista became windows 7 it was built on the vista kernel ..no guesses if 12 comes out what it will be based on.

[@csh9853]

@@xgui4-studios 100 % correct

[@CoolBreezeAnthony]

I will continue to run Windows 10 for the duration.

[@jameswagster8329]

Win10 here too. 👍

[@SireDragonChester]

Same here win10. Won’t touch bloated windows 11. Screw ms.

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

​@@SireDragonChester Ghost Spectre Win 11 running on 0.5 GB RAM in case you change your mind.

[@The-Real-Skinny-Bob]

Naw! Windows XP losers!

[@Galaxy.Windows]

i will use it forever

[@anjkovo2138]

I like the old saying. KISS - KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

[@informationprocessor]

Really want it to act like a phone

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

Micro$oft adheres to KOSS: Keep On Shoveling Sh…

[@anjkovo2138]

@@k.chriscaldwell4141 Very Good. That's FUNNY👍🤣👍

[@YoStu242]

It's still unclear if MS is trying to push W10 users to W11 or Linux

[@eljefe62]

If MS thinks I can't live without Windows, they're mistaken.

[@ZilogBob]

Same here. I'm running Lnux mint now without any serious problems.

[@HOBBS-4]

They were wrong on me, Linux Mint OS is on my main computer.

[@ZilogBob]

@@HOBBS-4 Well done! 👍

[@horseathalt7308]

Switched to Linux Mint in November 2024, I love it, a lot like Windows 7 and I'm never going back to Windows now.

[@YoStu242]

I guess when ntsync feature is ready within couple of months it'll boost gaming performance massively in Linux

[@rickh8380]

My PC supports Windows 11, but I got into the BIOS and turned off TPM 2.0. Microsoft PC Health Check says my computer is not compatible with Windows 11. I also did a registry hack to only go as far as 22H2. Currently learning Linux Mint. Looks to be a good OS.

[@ZilogBob]

From my experience so far, it is.

[@HOBBS-4]

I use Mint its just amazing, you made a good choice.

[@rickh8380]

@@HOBBS-4 Thank you for the kind comment. I just started to learn it. You're right it is a great Linux starting point. Reminds me a lot of Windows 7. Take care.

[@basook6116]

Linux Mint is great idea. windows 11 is really suck

[@rickh8380]

@@basook6116 Yes for sure. Windows 11 is a dumpster fire. I don't see any of their new operating systems getting any better. Thanks for sharing. Take care

[@AMDFan-s1y]

Now, imagine the bloatware and spyware and requirements that windows 12 will have. It's going to be rough.

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

With a direct feed to the NSA.

[@DalmationProductions]

It's obvious because Windows 10 is still supported until October this year and if Windows 12 were to come out at this rate it would be too many operating systems to manage

[@AMDFan-s1y]

Once Windows 10 looses support, they could release windows 12 in April 2026.

[@Plazmal]

I mean it wouldn't be unprecedented for there to be 3+ Windows OSs still supported; 2021-2023, 8.1, 10, and 11 were supported. In 2012 to 2014, XP, Vista, 7, and 8.1 (4 OSs) were supported at the same time.

[@SDAnime]

Still on 10 and am staying on it.

[@wildbill4496]

Yeah, I'm more than willing to pay the $30 fee, for multiple PCs, to keep Windows 10 another year. I've heard more negative stories about Windows 11 than positive news and nothing about Windows 11 that sounds difference making in a positive manner.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@wildbill4496 Another year for what exactly? Nostalgia? There are no tangible benefits in running an obsolete OS from 2015. Will Windows 12 be any ‘better’ in your eyes? How will you _objectively_ determine this? Or, are you just making judgements based on sentimentality and emotions? Positive news about Windows 11? Windows 11 is more secure than Windows 10, and is far more modern and relevant to 2025 as well.

[@wildbill4496]

@user-kc1tf7zm3b Windows 10 is more stable, more secure than 11 and doesn't have Microsofts Recall malware. I know people who have 11 and the keep having problems. Windows 10 is far from obsolete. It will still be getting security updates at least through October 2026. But go ahead use your unstable, malware ridden Windows 11 if you prefer pulling your hair out. Now go back to your job pushing Microsoft propaganda.

[@arkajyotipal6205]

​@@user-kc1tf7zm3b Completely agree with you! I've been using Windows 11 since March 2022 when I bought a new laptop, and it's been working great without any issues till now. These people do the same drama every time a new Windows version is released. They did it for Windows 10, and now suddenly Windows 10 is everyone's beloved OS. They are guaranteed to say the same shit about Windows 12 as well.

[@eherrmann01]

I was a satisfied Windows user starting with Windows 3.1, to the point that I joined the Insider program for Windows 10 and was running that before it was released to the public. However, with the introduction of Windows 11, Microsoft has completely lost touch with their users. I tried W11 and hated it so much, I rolled back to W10. The fact that they push ads to the desktop, gather so much telemetry, and are now wanting to take screenshots of everything you do is just unacceptable. Windows upgrades used to cost money, now they force the upgrades on you and demand your data as payment. Well, my personal data is worth a lot more than their buggy, uncustomizable, restricted, crappy operating system.

[@SmokeApples]

2025 is the year Microsoft loses its smashing head about Windows 10

[@IzzumiPoshaf]

The Reasons Why Microsoft NOT Releasing Windows 12 in 2025 : - There are still many Legacy UI Codes/Elements in Windows 11. - Maybe, Microsoft is still developing the Next Version of Windows with a New Kernel Technology, and it would be a take long time until at least in 2026 or 2027. Perhaps later, the above Selenium Builds will be for developing a Beta Version of Windows 12. Now, Microsoft is focusing on Migrating from Windows 10 to Windows 11 and adding many AI Features like Copilot+PC this Year, 2025. - Although Selenium is already based on Build 27xxx, it's still based on Windows 11 UI.

[@inzaghiposumaalkahfi9650]

Up

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

The everyday PC user is not that interested with the intricacies of an OS. Rather, what the user wants is an OS which works as expected. The heady days of Windows 95, XP and Vista epic product releases from decades ago are long gone. Do you see Apple hyping MacOS updates apart from their ordinary Apple product portfolio release events?

[@bolindow176]

I'm in the process of leaving Windows 11. Not that anyone is interested, but I find Windows 11 intrusive. Copilot, Recall, telemetri, onedrive, forced use of Microsoft Account and on and on. I can't even use Microsoft Office 2021 (no, not Microsoft 365) locally without being logged in to my Microsoft Account. It is not a very good experience as a whole. So, goodbye Microsoft, and thanks for the fish.

[@Dutch-linux]

Which Os are you planing to use ?

[@bolindow176]

@@Dutch-linux I use Linux Mint since six years, but not as my main system up until now. One computer runs LMDE 6 and one computer runs Linux Mint 22.1

[@cosmicusstardust3300]

More like 2025 is the year of the Linux desktop when Windows 10 goes EOL lol

[@masoudfasihi4342]

Keep wishing

[@leonidas14775]

No, people are just going to keep using 10, secure or not. Just like how XP and 7 hung around long after it was EOL

[@masoudfasihi4342]

@leonidas14775 Not even that people said the same about Windows 10 and said they would stay on 7. When EOL comes, they will move to 11 or 12 eventually. Change almost always brings resistance with it.

[@ZilogBob]

I'm writing this from the Brave browser running on Linux Mint without any serious problems.

[@horseathalt7308]

I would tell any Windows 10 or 11 user to try Linux Mint! It is great, no forced updates, totally stable, and does not spy on you. The GUI is a lot like Windows 7. If you try it you'll never go back to Windows again.

[@ZaberfangX]

Windows 12 may end up going like what they pushing for xbox like everything is a xbox then be everything is a windows pc. The more user data they have on the cloud the more they can farm data for targeted ads, bing and AI.

[@B3TR0Z]

I have used Microsoft Windows now for over 30 years, and for the most part I like it, but all this A.I. stuff has gone too far. Microsoft can tell us all day long that it's only done locally and that no private data is uploaded to the cloud - but I DO NOT believe them. Do they really think we are that naive!? I bet Windows 12 will have A.I. even more integrated into Windows, and probably will be impossible to remove, even with NTLite and such tools. Linux becomes the only option. Sad really.

[@ZilogBob]

I've made the change to Linux and it's much better than I was led to believe.

[@Dutch-linux]

I started using Linux Mint and it is awesome it is way way better then they make you believe.... also around 90 % of games on steam if you are a gamer work on linux... you know you can take a usb stick and live boot from it to try it without wrecking your windows !!! just try it .

[@MarkFitzgerald2014]

I will not upgrade to W11. I know a lot of people with like 4 - 6 PC's running at home on W10 and they can not afford to upgrade to W11, even if they wanted to. So MS has put all its eggs into the wrong basket this time. They mad e a big mistake thinking they could get people to buy new machines to cover their own ineptness and not do their due diligence in fixing the Windows kernel without using extra hardware requirements to do it for them, that btw can be easily bypassed. You can have the most advanced security system in the world, but in the end it will always end up being compromised by someone in the end, just like all these digital copy protection systems for games and software. They should of kept an updated version of W11 22H2/23H3 without TPM 2.0 requirements and made that a basic or light version. Then have the other 34H2 W11 with TPM 2.0 for those that actually want AI, instead of security on their PC. you can not have both as AI does not know what privacy means or is, just like MS.

[@tomschmidt381]

Agree but it is not just the new hardware requirements. IMHO Win 11 is a downgrade from Win 7 or 10 We are running Win 10 on most of the computers on our home LAN. I have no interest in migrating to this O/S. All I want the O/S to do is enable me to install programs. I don't want it spying on me, I don't want to be forced to sign up for cloud services or a M/S account, I don't want it to encrypt or compress my data, I don't want to see popup ads to install the latest and greatest M/S software and ideally it would be nice if the O/S was reasonably secure.

[@MarkFitzgerald2014]

@@tomschmidt381 I agree W11 is terrible downgrade from W7. MS claims it is the OS of the future, but I disagree 100% as it worse less user friendly more problems and headaches, more spyware and bloatware and just not doing what an OS is supposed to do in this day and age. Even android is better than W11 at the moment, at least you can use once you have updated it. Not need to possibly buy a new PC due to update bricking you're PC and corrupting the BIOS.

[@YoStu242]

Not only that but introducing new extra mouse clicks to do things and removing familiar functions isn't exactly how to improve user experience either

[@HOBBS-4]

If people wont move to Windows 11, than it might not make sense to bring in Windows 12. ..We are in a time that people are worried about their finances and not about getting a shiny new PC.

[@johngreene6783]

I'll stay clear of this circus and stay with Linux

[@Stickings90]

There has been a lot of bad press about 11, that many of us want to skip over it. I suspect if MS had released W12, then all the W10 hangers on, like me, would have moved to W12 en mass, bypassing the buggy W11. Has MS shot themselves in the foot by scrapping 12?

[@trivalentclan]

Windows 12 will be a lot more buggy then Windows 11, I have not had a problem with Windows 11 but then I follow this channel and have not volunteered my time to be a beta tester for Microsoft. And yes he is absolutely correct that W12 will be a disaster for M$. If M$ is smart they will incrementally enhance Windows 11 and not suddenly release a new version of Windows.

[@HOBBS-4]

Even more Win 11 bugs in the last update. Its Garbage.

[@wildbill4496]

@@trivalentclan Nope. If Windows follows historical norms then Microsoft alternates between good and bad versions of Windows. Windows XP (good), Windows Vista (bad), Windows 7 (good), Windows 8 (not horrible, but not great), Windows 10 (good), Windows 11 (bad). See the trend?

[@Dutch-linux]

dude with recall nothing is safe.. every 3 second an image to ms and see all you are doing pretty much in realtime .. your banking your passwords etc... windows 11 and 12 and other future releases spy on you... recal already has been haked.. now imagine what a hacker can do with all your information and your passords !!!!!

[@wallyg4445]

Only if they stop all the corruption and lies.

[@stevelavoie9088]

I have had enough of Windows BS. Switched to Linux a few years back.

[@horseathalt7308]

I switched to Linux Mint last year and it's great. If you like Windows 7 you will be very happy with Linux Mint!

[@ZilogBob]

@@horseathalt7308 I'm finding the same thing.

[@tg8199]

I switched all my PCs to Windows 11 this January, it is not as bad as I expected, gaming performance is fine, the UI is snappy and feels more up-to-date, I like the new settings menu a lot. Only annoyance is the legacy right click menu, but newer programs already moved their context menus to the new dialog

[@SummerSideOfLife]

I switched to Zorin 17.2 No more MicroKrap for me. I have others now looking at Zorin or Mint.

[@TheForce_Productions]

One thing is sure here, M$ will got to think very carefully what is going to do with Windows 12, since another bad step just like W11 was will be their bankrupt, so M$ be carefull with keep pushing your sh!t on users this time or goodbye.

[@nou712]

Microsoft makes more money from Azure which is mostly built around their own version of linux than they ever did from windows license sales. Who actually knows what they're doing? They want AI training data and are willing to burn down windows to get it perhaps? Once they're done with it, they might as well open source core parts of windows like they did with vscode. It'll drop the development cost, and they get to provide support services for it still like they do with AlmaLinux for instance.

[@willaimkazer9754]

Still on w11 23H2. Don't think 24H2 is even ready yet for 13th gen Intel. I think that Microsoft is in trouble.

[@jacktanner1604]

The AI stuff not withstanding, instead of bringing out a 'new' operating system every three years, why doesn't Microsoft simply revamp Windows? Keep what works and try to improve those features, fix all the stuff that's broken, just call it MICROSOFT WINDOWS, and make improvements and add features as the project moves forward. I mean, wasn't that the plan back in 2018? Didn't Microsoft claim that there would be no future 'numbered' versions of Windows? Hey, AI is here to stay, whether anybody wants it or not. Actually, I don't have a problem with AI at all. It has been more than helpful with my research and archiving projects, as well as a media production tool. And the problem is not, nor has it ever been, the Windows Operating System. I think we can all agree, the real problem with Windows is Microsoft itself! Over the years, most of Windows' problems have centered on ignoring important fixes in order to create new features and apps that nobody wants or needs. Then, they employ bad marketing to roll out and promote these things, as if they will be the new cutting-edge in computing; which they usually are not. And I [we] could probably live with all of this. But now Microsoft has crossed a line with the consumer: you are going to be FORCED to by a new machine! Yes, that's the problem. Microsoft is the problem. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't see it that way...

[@User-hbcfgukn]

Microsoft CEO destroyed windows harmony and the environment. Microsoft is problematic when releasing every updates on bloated version. The Indian CEO wasted windows reputation and acceptance. That's why, features are not accurate more than that. His mindset not clear to me when designers available with the help of but Microsoft don't do.

[@Jayteaseepiirturi]

MS probably knows exactly what it's doing. It just doesn't seem to be playing out that way.

[@diotitus]

I 100% agree with you in your statement that Microsoft is the problem and that AI unfortunately is here to stay. However, where I differ is on the stance on AI. I don't believe that it belongs integrated at the operating system level, and the fact that Microsoft is pushing things in that direction is another thing that is driving me off mainstream platforms altogether.

[@jacktanner1604]

@@diotitus I didn't say that AI should be in the Windows OS proper. I simply said AI is here to stay and that I personally have found it useful. But I agree completely that AI should NOT be incorporated into the operating system... Let's try this: If you want Recall, or, for that matter, Copilot, on your PC, then Microsoft should simply promote these features however they see fit, and make them available as downloadable apps via the Microsoft Store... Man, I should be getting paid for this! :)

[@horseathalt7308]

There is really no such thing as AI, it is just a very complex algorithm. Don't buy the kool-aid.

[@freespeechdead8670]

i am so confident i will never use windows again i have moved to , learned, and love linux . i am done with gates and his over bloated privacy invading O.S. done

[@zurgesmiecal]

top priority at microsoft HQ: Don't give those deplorable win10 users any hope!

[@Pclab101]

Nope, it will be the year of Linux!

[@horseathalt7308]

I agree I switched to Linux Mint in November 2024 and it's fantastic. I'm never going back to Windows.

[@Pclab101]

@@horseathalt7308I love Mint for being easy and having everything already perfect for daily dependable use. I love Arch for vast customization from the start.

[@AMDFan-s1y]

Now would not be a good time to release windows 12. New Nvidia GPUs, trump presidency, deepseek AI, windows 10 looses support, its still winter, so I predict Microsoft will release windows 12 after everything settles by 2026.

[@csh9853]

Staying on linux.

[@brolydictcumberbatchmontou401]

Slaying on Linux

[@xgui4-studios]

i am going to ztay in Windows 11 23h2 until i cannot and then switch to Linux

[@ZilogBob]

I installed Linux Mint on another SSD and found that it's not nearly as "weird" as people make it out to be. I'm writing this from the Brave browser running on it.

[@horseathalt7308]

I switched to Linux Mint in November 2024 and love it. Stable, no forced updates, and no spying either. It is fast and can be used on decade old hardware with no problem at all. I'm never going back to Windows.

[@xgui4-studios]

​@@ZilogBob i use linux but i cannot switch competely to do due to my study require me to use windows

[@ZilogBob]

@@xgui4-studios There are still a few Windoze programs which I don't have Linux equivalents for too. But I'm gradually getting there.

[@ZilogBob]

I wonder how many others with "unsuitable" PCs Micro$oft has pushed towards Linux? I'm running Mint and it does pretty-much everything I need it to do.

[@Dutch-linux]

yup running mint also and it is awesome... once you tried it and have it set up like you want it you will never go back

[@ZilogBob]

@@Dutch-linux Thanks. It's nice to know that I'm not alone in making the switch. 😃

[@Shimulahmed100]

I only need 4-5 softwares to switch to linux.. As an civil engineer i need autocad, etabs, csi safe, office softwares.. And thats it.. I will forget windows ever exist.. But its not possible

[@brazil7028]

Let's be honest, 2025 is a big year for Microsoft because of them FORCING recall on everyone.

[@Vialli100.]

Windows 11 since beta, I have to say no problems at all on my PC.. I just upgraded to AM5, Crosshair X870e Hero, 9900x, 64gb Kingston Fury 6000 ram.. I just did a Windows refresh and carried on with zero problems..

[@cks5148]

Agree, if windows 10 users know windows 12 is coming , they wont budge to upgrade to windows 11 . I know windows 11 24H2 has lot of bugs , some have audio issues when using streaming APPs , even gamers have issues with games . My advise dont upgrade to windows 11 until all the bugs are fixed .

[@EIRE55]

Maybe M$'s main problem is that it knows it can no longer get away with forced malware and substandard executions of junk that it expects everyone to pay for. Therefore, it needs to either make massive improvements which must be proven solid, or openly admit that its brand is slowly but surely dying due to its own mistakes. I wouldn't hold my breath on either of those.

[@CottageCore580]

My computer runs windows 11 still waiting for windows 12 i had windows 11 for so long not switching

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

Window$ 12: _Even better spying._

[@dave24-73]

Windows 12 will take your finger print, photo, voice, screen shots and key logging, and hashes of everything ever installed and send it to the cloud. They will call it Total Recall. In reality we don’t need a new bloated Windows, we just need a fast stable OS. Windows is really bloatware that gets worse year on year. They make Norton look good.

[@patrick7703]

I think I beat after Windows 11 25H2 there will be another version of Windows 11 26H2 by next year so won’t be there Windows 12 26H2 by October 2026 I’m officially Predicting Windows 11 26H2 May Be Released on October 13, 2026, so nothing exciting upcoming for Windows 12 by October 2026, no this won’t be happening

[@colinreece3452]

I think some of the drawback with Windows is: Bloatware, lots of stuff you never want or use, I have got a program that uninstalls it. Yes you can get 'Lite' versions, I have on PC running a Lite r version. Another is one day you do an update only to find they have forced something on you, something they never asked if you want it or not, then you spend hours if not days trying to get rid of it. If Microsoft did a version of Windows that just ran your PC and had these other programs on their website for you download if you wanted them, plus the ability to uninstall if you didn't like them. Lots of people like W!0 and say so, yet MS don't listen to what you want or like they force on you what they want and like.

[@Dutch-linux]

the problem is not the bloatware it is the spyware built in !!!!

[@magister.mortran]

It doesn't look like there will ever be a Windows 12. Microsoft's next move is Windows 365, of which already exist Business and enterprise versions. Win 365 will be like Chrome OS and entirely take place in the Cloud. The user front end is a low specs device that operates similar to a terminal. The actual installation is on a Microsoft server. I don't think that this will succeed. Chrome OS didn't succeed either. But it has advantages for corporations since they can centralize and control what their employees on their computers. You could actually carry your personal Windows 365 installation with you. You just need to log into any frontend device with your Microsoft account and you would everywhere have the same desktop, no matter which device you use. Still I think private users won't accept this. They will either abandon the PC world entirely and switch to mobile devices like Android (phones or Smart TVs) or iOS, or more advance users will still use PCs but switch to Linux. I'm quite certain that Windows 11 will be the last real Windows. Windows 365 will be limited to corporate computers, since private users don't want it. Then the entire Windows OS will be discontinued. The only PCs that remain in personal use will run some Linux distro. Mac OS will probably go the same way as Windows at some point. So the Mac will die along with the Windows PC. I don't think any new Windows PCs will still be sold in 2030. It will all happen very quick now with the fast evolution of A.I.

[@xgui4-studios]

Windows 365 suck .... you can't even install application.....

[@PWingert1966]

I'm in Canada. Now that we are getting 25% tariffs on all American products including computers the company I work for has decided this is not the year for a PC refresh and has decided that as long as Donald Trump is in office no Americanm products will be purchased. This include 400 Dell laptops and desktop to do out refesh with. OS we will remain on windows 10 for at least another four years sae behind our VPN an firewall. I am also following my companies lead and not refreshing with the new Apple Mac Mini, keyboard, mouse and Apple display.

[@horseathalt7308]

Better get ready for a long drought of US products. The next President will be JD Vance in 2029.

[@xgui4-studios]

Apple isnt better ... Linux is a way better option

[@StateTransportRegions4167]

who here is using windows 7 and 8.1

[@theguyfromsaturn]

Last version of Windows I ever used was 98. Then I upgraded around 1999. I never looked back.

[@Lord-Sméagol]

I'm on Win 10 Pro ... but considering Win 10 IoT LTSC when the time comes :)

[@DamianB82]

Considering quality of MS OS's be it XP->7->10 naturally I'm waiting for 12 to show up to save the day, otherwise well. I didn't go to Vista, nor 8, so even if 10 is no longer supported I simply don't care. If they don't show up with something worth the OS swap hassle I will consider finally going full steam into Linux.

[@LilaHikes]

Windows 11 is available at a time when the world needs it most 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@iceManSwag]

Once I rip out Edge, Defender, Telemetry, Spying, Disable all intrusive stuff inside Windows. Block known bad IP's from Microsoft. Install Office 365 with GEO location bypass my country under sanctions. I use a corporate account so Windows 11 auto sticks the Key itself for Win&Office 😂. I also get 5Tb on OneDrive for free😂. I have moved to Windows 11 because my motherboard was having weird sound problems no sort of reinstalling Windows 10 & drivers from official sources has helped so I just junped Windows 11 Pro. I actually enjoy it after all the tweaks & moving Start Menu back to left corner where it belonged since Windows 95 that is in 1995. The Macintosh feel I get with those icons in the middle the taskbar I hate it. Also the fact that it will keep moving the Start Menu depending on how much you have stuff pinned on the taskbar. So setting it back to left thanks Microsoft for allowing me to do this via stock settings. Im waiting when will Microsoft get the Dark Mode for registry. I remember in Windows 10 the Dark Mode excluded the Task Manager you only got the Dark Mode of it in Windows 11 & Notepad although I use Notepad++ with black skin. Also regarding new CPU's if you have all those cores then Windows 11 has a better CPU scheduler to know what to do with all of them I have a i7 12700KF + 4080RTX 16Gb + 64Gb DDR5. So newer hardware benefits from the newer Windows 11. I also newer had a problem with Vista & it was the most beautiful Windows also I just built a new system backthen ASUS Rampage iX48 Intel Core Quad Q9450 nVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 (the newer Direct X was only for Vista Microsoft doing their tricks so people upgrade) 1Gb DDR3 4x OCZ 1Gb PC9600 DDR2 Windows Vista Ultimate

[@sylvainlebel8921]

Je crois que Microsoft pourrait bien décider de proposer plutôt à ces utilisateurs de faire disparaître Windows et de le remplacer par un environnement virtuel géré par Microsoft. Il n’y aurait plus d’achat du système d’exploitation complet mais partiel pour permettre l’utilisation de l’environnement virtuel via Internet évidemment. La complexité de compatibilité avec le matériel pourrait être grandement réduite et par la même occasion, réduire le coût de développement, d’autant plus que toute l’infrastructure Azure est disponible pour cela. En revanche, ce sont les utilisateurs qui pourraient fortement se plaindre de ce nouveau changement.

[@xgui4-studios]

o non .... ça serait horrible

[@xgui4-studios]

je resterai sur Windows 11 et changera vers Linux tant que je n'aurai plus besoin de Windows si cela arrive

[@Dutch-linux]

et vous pensez que vos données sont en sécurité quand ils gèrent tout ? tu es fou, putain ?

[@sylvainlebel8921]

@@Dutch-linux Conseille pour toi. Retourne à l'école.

[@DeviChexx]

why does Windows 12 look like Mac os

[@krothofdahorde]

I wonder if this is another Windows 8, as they skipped 9 since so many did not like 8. Forcing them to scrap their plans. So they are likely skipping 12 and 13 may be another 10 in comparison to 8. Definately saving for either an iPad if I go console gaming only. Or (the more affordable pc gaming option for my two MMOs) of a Mac Mini with two non apple monitors and keyboard/mouse.

[@nsawatchlistbait289]

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019. Supported till 2029. Enough for me

[@artmaster111]

Well if Microsoft is dead set on pushing RECALL out no matter what that's definitely the end of Windows for me .....

[@imqqmi]

Well, W12 will be worse than w11, more ads, more spyware and forced ai, more badly written and bloated apps. The time that windows was user centric has long long passed. Linux Mint is more W12 that people want but don't know than windows is at this point, that's my prediction.

[@romancvijanovic7130]

I can see many people proudly stating, they are staying on windows 10. Ignorance sure is a bliss and threat actors will happily indulge you folks.

[@RoamingRamble]

there is no Obviouis reason to trash billons of Devices it all a huge money grab just like china just proved AI has been ..

[@tommy2cents492]

MS should refactor the code base like Linux and separate the kernel from the user interface. Most people don't care too much about what is 'under the hood', but MS choices in user interfaces is - how shall I put it mildly -.... RUBBISH! When my company "upgraded" my laptop to W11, it took me less than half an half an hour before I started scanning for an open window to throw the laptop out... Since that wasn't possible, I contacted IT to do a roll back to W10. That took a week... and was a hell... but in the end it worked out...

[@JamesK-z5j]

If we can't upgrade to Windows 11, Microsoft isn't going to make Windows 12 upgradeable for the devices we are using now. I haven't switched over to Linux, there might be a lot more users going to Linux though, before Windows 12 is official

[@pascalbouwens8165]

I can't upgrade to Windows 11. I can't afford a new desktop at the moment. maybe later, but then I might as well switch to Apple and say goodbye to Microsoft!

[@xgui4-studios]

No don't switch to apple.... they are even worse .... Linux is a a better option

[@pascalbouwens8165]

@ i run Linux on a laptop, The problem with Linux is that some software does not run on it.

[@Tracing0029]

Use Linux or MacOS

[@wildbill4496]

Nope the reason Microsoft doesn't want to talk about Windows 12 is they get kickbacks from all the companies that sell PCs and probably chip and parts makers. If they can somehow get people to move to Windows 11 then they get 2 upgrade cycles of kickbacks, because you know they'll change hardware requirements again for Windows 12. If they start talking about Windows 12 coming out then more people will wait and Microsoft will only get 1 round of kickbacks. It's all about maximizing profit.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

You do not know what the system requirements will be for Windows 12. Chances are, the requirements maybe identical to Windows 11 for obvious reasons. MacOS, iOS and Android most certainly have minimum hardware system requirements, so criticising Microsoft for mandating the same for Windows 11 is not honest, nor rational.

[@wildbill4496]

@@user-kc1tf7zm3b You are very naive if you really think that. There was no reason to make PCs perfectly capable of running Windows 11 incompatible, so why wouldn't Microsoft do that again. Microsoft is in the money making business, so it's in their financial interest to make you need to by a new PC every time they push out a new major release.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@wildbill4496 Let’s start again: MacOS, iOS and Android *do* have their minimum hardware requirements. This thinking that an Apple Mac or a Google Pixel from 2025 will receive OS forever is not rooted in reality. Once a PC or Mac is 6 years old the user has to render the hardware as obsolete and needs to plan for a future replacement. Using a computer 10 years after retail purchase is not rational. Microsoft has deemed that TPM is essential for PC security which is the basis of the Intel 8 Gen (2017) CPU requirement. Apple has Secure Enclave and Google has Trusty as their trusted execution environment (TEE) equivalents. Improving security is the rationale for these architectures, not to further company profits. “Microsoft is in the money making business”? Get bloody real. All IT companies are money making businesses.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@wildbill4496 Again: MacOS, iOS and Android *do* have their minimum hardware requirements. This thinking that an Apple Mac or Google Pixel from 2025 will receive OS updates forever is not rooted in reality. Once a PC or Mac is 6 years old the user has to render the hardware as obsolete and needs to plan for a future replacement. Using a computer 10 years after retail purchase is not rational. Microsoft has deemed that TPM is essential for PC security which is the basis of the Intel 8 Gen (2017) CPU requirement. Apple has Secure Enclave and Google has Trusty as their trusted execution environment (TEE) equivalents. Improving security is the rationale for these architectures, not to further company profits. “Microsoft is in the money making business”? Get bloody real. All IT companies are money making businesses.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@wildbill4496 MacOS, iOS and Android *do* have their minimum hardware requirements. This thinking that an Apple Mac or Google Pixel from 2025 will receive OS updates forever is not rooted in reality. Once a PC or Mac is 6 years old the user has to render the hardware as obsolete and needs to plan for a future replacement. Using a computer 10 years after retail purchase is not rational. Microsoft has deemed that TPM is essential for PC security which is the basis of the Intel 8 Gen (2017) CPU requirement. Apple has Secure Enclave and Google has Trusty as their trusted execution environment (TEE) equivalents. Improving security is the rationale for these architectures, not to further company profits. “Microsoft is in the money making business”? Get real. All IT companies are money making businesses.

[@Dutch-linux]

I moved to Linux mint.. as windows is now bloody spy and malware.... could stau on 10 but without patches it be like swiss chease for malware and viruses with in 2 months so that be a bad choice.. buying a new pc just to run windows spyware 11 ??? never... many many windows 10 users moved to linux lately I am on linux now 3 months long and I love it ...will never go back to winblows again

[@FerinaAryele]

I'm staying on Windows 10 and will just tweak whatever I have to in the registry to get the extended windows 10 security updates for free. Assuming there is a way, I would assume if there was all the tech youtubers would make videos showing us how. I did install Linux Mint on a very old pc earlier to mess around on but it's only the xfce or whatever version because that thing only has 3 gigs of ram but it's a start to just have fun and mess around on the basics of Linux but I can't fully commit to Linux on my main pc when all the anticheats on my favorite games refuse to support Linux.

[@petemisc4291]

I just built a new PC, new case, ddr5, AMD processor and I decided to just start off with Windows 11, what’s horrible error on my part! So many things were so easy to do in Win10 that I can’t do in Windows 11 and when I google how to do it, they give instructions that don’t exist Windows 11 ! WWWTTTFFF, something has to be done about Microsoft, our PCs are too important in our daily lives and just don’t seem to take any responsibility henceforth they just muck things up and try just shrug their shoulders!

[@ReinMixTape]

Jokes on them about Win 11 & 12 being viable. Once Valve drops Steam OS for PCs they're done-zo when it comes gamers.

[@thomasbezak1090]

If that's a real mockup I would not talk about it either. No doubt they have now buried volume 5 clicks deep and will default it to the Teams (New) sharing audio driver that doesn't actually output sound.

[@DelticEngine]

Window 7 was bad enough with the later 'updates' that removed a lot of privacy. Windows 10 is awful but at least it is manageable, kind of. I've had access to a Windows 11 machine I absolutely hate it. Any drivers pretty much have to be built-in, but although they might make a given piece of hardware kind of function if it isn't right then that's it as there are absolutely zero controls to adjust this - no possible interaction. I base this on my experience of setting up flight simulation hardware. I will not be migrating to Windows 11 or later. It will be Linux for me if I have to migrate. I'm done with MS.

[@lectrictraveler]

Screw Microsoft, I am on Linux CachyOS with Gnome desktop. No tracking and data collection for Bill. Not from me.

[@dbsql6238]

I want Windows 13.

[@QuikRay]

There is only one fix for win....it's called LINUX.

[@wallyg4445]

I watched a video by a fellow on youtube by the name of Jody Bruchen, he explains the whole horrible mess that not only microsoft is creating, but apple and google . Look him up.

[@falscherbruce5522]

Me, Vista, 8 now 11 is the one to avoid.

[@peterschmidt9942]

MS are like the Galactic Empire and Vadar with their released updates and schedules - "I am altering the deal. Prey I don't alter it further" 😂. 2025 will be the year a lot of people jump ship to other operating systems (whether that be Mac OS, Linux or Chrome). When it comes closer to Oct 2025, the statics for the year are going to be bonkers.

[@JohnSmith-mf3dh]

W11 iot is basically W10.

[@PNW_Phillip]

I like the macinwindows look

[@mk83_Daniel_Williams]

[@JoCrt]

Linux Mint