IS THRONE AND LIBERTY PAY TO WIN?

Is Throne and Liberty Pay to Win and will there be any changes to the monetization before global launch? Global launch is upon us and I try to help you decide if the Throne and Liberty monetization is worth it
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[@resiliencevideos]

tl;dr: yes

[@nadavb1983]

you man. are a true hero.

[@romanstoleru7936]

NCSoft's Lineage 2 is infamous for its extreme pay-to-win mechanics, with drop chances as low as 0.000000000000000001. Don't waste your time; just buy it :) This game is digging itself down without realizing it yet, and in the future, we'll see thousands of bots grinding like in Lineage 2.

[@redbyrdYT]

Lineage 2 came out in 2003. Are you talking about the mobile game?

[@romanstoleru7936]

@@redbyrdYT No, desctop game. Yes from 2003, but the official servers still alive. I have been playing that game around 15 years. :) Damn.

[@bluebyrdgaming4637]

I loved the part we’re you said a lot of times you pay to like skip or something lol

[@josipmiljanic6387]

Just wait like 6 month to a year and will see how much more it will be pay to win??

[@redbyrdYT]

Time will tell i guess

[@maxentius681]

Its not in the same vein as wow. The best gear in WoW cannot be purchased with gold on the AH, it can here. All gold in wow does now is pay for some convenience, but you aren't outclassed by people who spent more money, at least not in a meaningful way.

[@kirillkondratyuk4358]

Exactly, you need really ride the meat to spill something like wow is p2w

[@redbyrdYT]

Before the titan forge changes, you could by the best gear. In thrones, You still need to play the game some, especially with recent changes to global client, to obtain max level gear. Wow still allows you to do the same as this. Acting like wow and TL are miles apart is copium

[@josipmiljanic6387]

Wow is also pay to win,for example in wotlk classic same goes for retail guilds where selling runs icc so u could get your shadowMourne,and t 10 so basically u could buy raiding services to get gear,or pvp boosting arena rating etc....so if u had alots of gold u could get best gear with it...

[@ganondorf457]

​@@josipmiljanic6387 but ist no Problem because u can just find groups and Spending Gold for RAID runs doesnt Mean the items will Drop

[@pyroblastgaming]

I'd still argue they are comparable. Last time I played in Dragonflight you needed 2 embellishments on your gear, which required farming (lol) or buying materials from the AH. You could then either spend a bunch of gold to level professions yourself or pay someone to craft them for you. On top of that you have enchantments, gems, consumables, etc. Most raid tiers will also have a coveted BoE piece that fetches 200k-500k gold on the AH. And always lurking in the background you have the ability to pay others in gold for powerleveling, M+ runs, heroic raid runs, etc.

[@SeaMammal]

"IS THRONE AND LIBERTY PAY TO WIN?" tl;dr: "Yes. Significantly." Long answer: Pretty badly. You can pay money to bypass all of the game's intentional piss design revolving around slowing your progress to get you to pay.

[@-predict7443]

have we seen the same video?

[@lilskatecrew2]

wow is pay to PLAY not to win

[@heartless_gamer]

This is closer to GW2 where you can directly buy a currency that lets you buy the gear from the auction house. No one says it is P2W there because it's not the end all be all of progression which is what it seems like global TL is shooting for

[@Lothkru]

Gw2 is not "p2w" because there's close to none vertical progression, once you reach ascended gear that's it (ascended is easily reached in less than a month for a new player, a weekend if you know what you're doing), all it remains in terms of gear is just getting different stats for different builds, and the long term grind is legendaries that have the exact same stats as ascended, but allows you to change stats freely any time, ergo, having all different builds available to mess up with buildcrafting (which is a huge thing in end-game there). The game is mostly horizontal progression, which is why almost everyone finds the cash shop in Gw2 fair. When there's constant vertical progression, like every other MMO (including TL from what it appears so far), then having this currency is obviously a huge p2w mechanic.

[@sempiterno3243]

I haven't played in my life a game where its economy is completely rule by a real money currency. One Lucent to rule them all, one Lucent to find them, One Lucent to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them

[@MassimilianoCarinci]

ma non puoi paragonare la casa di aste di wow a qeusta !! nessuno compra oggetti alla casa di aste su wow !! quegli oggetti no nservono a nulla se non a trasmog !! Gli oggetti piu forti su wow non si possono vendere alla casa d'aste !! inoltre i gettoni di wow si possono comprare direttamente nello store blizzard pertanto avranno un cap ... non c'è assolutamente paragone , mi sa che wow lo conosci poco !

[@jiedragonhub]

Me, as a player of mobile mmos, I can say that p2w in TnL is like only 5% compared to those lol.

[@kevinsowards9647]

How much disadvantage will one have in PvP with this?

[@redbyrdYT]

if you dont pay to win? free to play players that play a decent or moderate amount shouldnt have trouble keeping up

[@Haze_E1]

about 20% less damage

[@baelgrimhc]

@@redbyrdYT Shouldn't have trouble keeping up with players who can just swipe for better gear? Are you kidding? Then what would be the point?

[@zen517]

so like WoW

[@user-gr1nq6oh1n]

This is some kind of mobile clone of Black Desert but with a terrible combat system and movement

[@redbyrdYT]

The combat gets better late game, but i can understand if most players dont want to wait that long

[@hristoivanov3185]

lol fun grrrr same shit as the majority of mmo's these days. I came back last night for a quick test, I went straight to the mobs and to my great surprise some classic shit. Lineage 2 successor? What???? The game is very, very far from what we knew at the time before the rotten transformation of Lineage 2. From the start, while I am still level 1, I manage to make level 7 mobs without any difficulty or the need for rest, which kills the interest in the content at all levels and pushes people to rush to the end game. Let me joke..... To provide some interest the game must be hard core at all times. We literally don't care about Unreal Engine 5 with all the lighting effects, reflection of objects and other contour elements which are only there for the eye, bring no value to the gameplay and only heat up the GPU and the CPU...... Do you remember the difficulties at the start in Lineage 2 and the exploration required to reach level 20??? Why not offer classes dedicated to collecting specific ingredients and crafts not otherwise available like it was in L2??? Another uninteresting title which offers no more than the stupid mentality "Come on, in 10 days I'm max level and I'll break your head"... After 30 minutes of play, I put it in the trash......

[@redbyrdYT]

sorry you didnt enjoy the game man. There are a ton of changes coming so maybe check back at global launch. Its free so worth a shot

[@hristoivanov3185]

@@redbyrdYT got you but I was excpeting I was expecting content very similar to Lineage 2 before its destruction where I could for example grind on a mob specifically until its drop-list gave me a certain quantity of ingredients, recipe or other... without having to bother my head to read hundreds of thousands of menus to have these elements through NPCs or functionality of the game making it heavy and unpleasant.....

[@Intembossfight-qc3em]

Great Explaining, not just shout P2W

[@TygerBlueEyes]

Fix your Discord....lol

[@redbyrdYT]

Im trying lol

[@clayton-georgereid7280]

so you pay money and directly buy an item but it's not as bad as bdo where an item cost hundreds of dollars. this take is cope. if you like the look of te game play it and try it, ignore this dude

[@redbyrdYT]

Its ok if you enjoy BDO more, but cant deny that the P2W is not = or Worst then TL

[@clayton-georgereid7280]

@@redbyrdYT I'm confused. Who said I enjoyed BDO more. I just stopped playing BDO to begin with but tell yourself what you need to hear.

[@mad_lipz5731]

@@clayton-georgereid7280 You're awfully hostile for no reason lmao. The game is bad and you should feel bad for defending it. Your comment adds nothing constructive to the conversation other than to bash the creator of the video lol. Obviously people will STILL play because it's free so the only thing they have to lose is their time.

[@kimaxlv92]

CLICK BAIT CONTENT JUST TO GET VIEWS

[@redbyrdYT]

you should look up the definition of Clickbait KEKW

[@ItzJoeyDYT]

W info and video bro. If you could tune the music down a bit would be a perfect video. Music I feel is a little to loud and distracting.

[@redbyrdYT]

will do, thanks for the feed back