Is Titanic Good, Actually?

[@JennyNicholson]

WHY does everyone think it's ironic! Faysawtute!

[@10z20]

hahahaha look it's the youtuber mentioned in the video! hahahaah it's like I'm friends with both of them :^)

[@tylerhackner9731]

Love them both 😁

[@nobodyofimprotance7615]

Is this comment ironic too?

[@MNalias]

FEUD FEUD FEUD!

[@vlogerhood]

Because you are just too pure for this world Jenny. None of the rest of us can believe.

[@Primenumber19]

One of my wife’s favorite moments was walking into my house in college and seeing me and four other guys watching titanic in the dark.

[@xlaurelxapples]

The light was off to hide the tears, right? We also had a Titanic movie night in college, and one of our friends made a point of flipping the light on after the movie to catch who was crying and call the rest "soulless" lol.

[@KawaiiCat2]

happy coffees lmao haha

[@narata1541]

@ThatOneAsianBroChick Umm... My father is Thai and would beat me if I cried. Just because you lived in a nice Asian house (based on your name) doesn't mean every Asian household doesn't frown upon men crying. Generalizing it to western males only shows ignorance. While I do believe men should be able to cry, I still had a nice chuckle at the OP's comment and the comment after because I have a huge sense of humor. Heck, I even laugh at stand up comedian jokes when it's against men, Asians, nerds, etc. Why? It's just fun and funny, and if it's in a place where jokes can be said, or amongst friends, it's okay. You can always leave.

[@miauxy_]

@ThatOneAsianBroChick Pretty sure it's not just western guys thoo-- since most of the guys I know, eastern and western alike is subjected to the "Men doesn't cry" mindset.

[@kseriousr]

@ThatOneAsianBroChick I honestly wish that Lindsey would take a dive into the filth that is SE Asian entertainment media, just for the shock value and contrast.

[@graces.4523]

Say what you want about titanic, I'm just glad that Rose canonically moved on and wasn't shamed by the movie for it.

[@peacechickification]

I never even actively noticed that, but yes, that's so important! especially because they let her do both, still have a deep love for him, but also live her life despite the tragedy. or god forbid, be expected to go back to asshole cal.

[@jill9442]

Professor_Tickles 92 i love both this and the original comment, and i sorta think in the middle ground between the two of them. without jack in her life, she did grow a bit colder and into the rich lifestyle she originally wanted to escape. bc she never got the option to leave the boat with jack like she said; she couldn’t ho down that road. at the same time, this wasn’t the focal point of rose’s character in old age- she made the best of the paths she Could choose and was not shamed for living instead of getting stuck on what might have been.

[@shugoibaka]

@@Prof_Tickles92 Yes, that is a fair point, but this comment wasn't saying she was a perfect person. It was saying that some movies treat people, especially women, who love someone, lose them, and proceed to love someone else instead of spending their life pining for the first partner, like they've committed some grave sin or betrayal, and Titanic does not do that. Whatever bad points it gives Rose, it does not say she's a bad person for marrying someone else after Jack died.

[@lilclever51]

@@Prof_Tickles92 if Jack and rose made it to New York I think rose leaves Jack when the reality of poverty hits

[@alejandrocervantes3624]

Imagine if her husband is dead & its implied that in the afterlife she leaves him anyway for the guy she hooked up for like 3 days

[@rockaway0beach]

30:05 "Manic Pixie Dream Jack" Why Would You Say Something So Controversial Yet So Brave?

[@abbalou7717]

Omg I lost it at manic pixie dream jack! But like, it's true...

[@harrietamidala1691]

It’s a pun on the phrase manic Pixie dream girl

[@layne721]

@@TCt83067695 A manic pixie dream girl is a romantic interest that's fun and quirky, nonconformist, designed to pull a brooding or sullen male character out of his Whatever and "save" him. not sure who the first one was or who coined the phrase, but think Zoe Daschanel's character in Yes Man, or Ramona Flowers in Scott Pilgrim. There is probably a lot of argument about who counts at any given time, and whether or not the female character has any agency outside of freeing the male protagonist from his cage and progressing his story. You get the idea. But yeah! we may as call the male version the Manic Pixie Dream Jack, because, if not the first, he was the most iconic one. The male MPDG is more rare.

[@rachel_sj]

Lindsay said aloud what we were all feeling and couldn’t put into words

[@thekiss2083]

Yeah Jack is sort of ridiculous. Extremely well-traveled for a 20 year old. Like, he's lived and worked in Paris, the UK, AND California after growing up in Wisconsin? And now he's heading back to America AGAIN? Dude must have had Expedia 100 years early

[@andr0id.eighteen]

Thank you for addressing the fact that Rose and Jack both TRIED to get on the door together and it didn't work! It has driven me crazy for years.

[@mikealaniz7236]

Yeah and I think it’s less of a sinking issue and more of a balancing one. Because with just her on there she would have to be in the middle just like she was in the movie just for her to stay on it.

[@Civilian08]

I watched the movie for the first time recently, and I was surprised by just how much of a non-issue it was. It's maybe the only specific criticism of the movie I heard before going in, and it's just nothing. They try to both get on, find that it won't hold them, and Jack silently resigns to the water to save Rose. They don't overly draw attention to it. There's no hokey "there's not enough room, save yourself" or anything that draws attention to the scene at all. I was surprised how much people focused on it.

[@victorsamsung2921]

@@Civilian08 Well, it is not so much about the door, but rather that Jack could and should have made it, on the basis of what we see of him throughout the movie. That includes being witness to Jack's intelligence and survival instinct. For instance, after the lifeboats are gone, that Jack realizes they have to stay on the ship as long as possible and end up making their way all the way to the aft of the Poop Deck and hang onto the railing. Then, as Titanic breaks in two and is about to go vertical, Jack realizes that he and Rose have to go overboard to the other side to prevent themselves from falling to their deaths. The same way we did see Helga end up doing. The other criticism I have read is that Titanic is a chick-flick, because, the movie focuses solely on Rose's character, whilst Jack also makes and goes through this interesting and important transformation process. Just like hers. Feeling like Titanic was too much female-oriented in the end.

[@AudioAlure]

@@victorsamsung2921 Aren't the majority of movies male-oriented though? As in, the main character is male. It's odd, because for some reason, they're still not classified as dick-flicks, they're just seen as movies. Yet when a female is the main character, suddenly it's a chick-flick. That doesn't make sense to me.

[@victorsamsung2921]

@@AudioAlure Kek. Not sure what you mean. Back in the 70s, 80s and 90s, the majority of Hollyweird movies were always gender-oriented on exploring and showing strengths of both male and female. Referring as an example to Aliens (Sigourney Weaver), Silence of the Lambs (Jodie Foster) or Working Girl (Melanie Griffith) etc. for women. And the same goes for men, like Philadelphia (Tom Hanks), Liar Liar (Jim Carrey) or Home Alone (Macaulay Culkin) etc. These kind of movies are neither seen as a dick-flick or chick-flick, because, there is a mutual existing balance between the two genders in the movie and less *focus* on drama. However, in the case of Titanic, it is *not* just a female who ends up as the sole protagonist, but also, ends up being the sole survivor of her group, including whom she was in love with. Referring to Jack, and then, Fabrizio, Helga and Tommy etc. Meaning, with Cameron deciding that Jack was going to die in the "movie", one way or another, by extension, it destroyed any chance or opportunity for Jack to be a lead character and survive as well. Not to forget, deciding that the move was solely going to be about Rose's feelings and not Jack's. Had Cameron written Jack to be a survivor in the movie (as he could have) as we have seen it happening on-screen, both Rose and Jack would have been considered heroes in the end and Titanic not seen as a chick-flick. Due to the fact it's neither overdramatic, nor do we just talk about Rose's feelings.

[@charlesthebald3671]

"I can't tell how ironic this is, and I actually know her." Therein lies the genius of Jenny Nicholson.

[@madmanvarietyshow9605]

Right? Idk why it is but she's hilarious. Her dry humor always gets a chuckle out of me.

[@SamAronow]

“THAT BOY IS MINE! BRING ME THE BO-“

[@nitehawk86]

It takes someone who loves a thing in order to hate it as much as Jenny hates anything. After watching her video even I am not sure if I hated Avatar.

[@subroy7123]

@@SamAronow Hbomber has admitted that he has the boy. He has passed Jenny the ransom note in her comment section demanding expired blue popcorn. There the matter stood. The fate of the boy is unknown, sadly.

[@clayxros576]

Bold of you to assume she is aware when she is being ironic or sincere.

[@RainaEmms]

Cameron himself addressed the door size issue with Mythbusters when he said: “I think you guys are missing the point here,” Cameron said on the show. “The script says Jack dies, he has to die. Maybe we screwed up. The board should have been a tiny bit smaller. But the dude’s going down!”

[@marrons6699]

People have died drowning in the bathtub and yet people are complaining that Jack SHOULD'VE survived a sinking ship......it baffles me

[@barbiquearea]

Also it's not like an upper class rich girl without a science education or a vagabond would have known that.

[@ay_azulita]

Am I the only one that clearly remembers he does fit the door, but the weight of both makes it sink so he decides to let Rose on the door?

[@TheMgutierrez]

They talk about the size, But they always forget the buoyancy

[@ZRovas117]

@@ay_azulita It was in a delete scene actually. Jack KNEW that two people could be on top of the door, but their combined weight would make it sink, dooming them both.

[@ngreennz]

I think I remember James Cameron saying something like "of course Jack wouldn't have fit on the door. If he could have we would have made it smaller"

[@reptongeek]

The irony was the door WAS originally smaller and he told the Production Designer to make a bigger one

[@bradystanley340]

When I was in college I learned my voice teacher played the Irish woman who is there when Winslet gets up on her toes, and also the first frosted corpse pulled from the waters. Now i just watch it and I'm like, "Oh LOOK. It's Linda."

[@GlennDavey]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

[@kathrynolsen1256]

I have a friend who is a professional extra and I wave hi at her when she comes onscreen.

[@monkiram]

That must make it harder to suspend reality and believe the story is real

[@daveSoupy]

It actually makes it more fun. I think theater and movies are the best when you know the people involved. When they’re you’re friends and you see them succeeding there’s a different kind of joy to it

[@dysmissme7343]

@@kathrynolsen1256 That’s adorable

[@T1J]

14 year old me: lol Titanic is dumm and its too long also 14 year old me: watches the whole movie multiple times

[@sonikmuff]

Oh my god you described my teens too and also the song. I trashed on Celine Dion while simultaneously owning her CDs and listening to the love theme from titanic on repeat.

[@davesvens8697]

Why isn't anyone aware of the celebrity in the comments! T1J!!

[@anska3090]

I didn‘t like it, because it was romance and romance was for girly girls. In order to watch it a second time while keeping up appearances, I conned my mum into wanting to view it, which gave me the convenient excuse, that I could come along to do her a favor. I thought myself very cunning at the time but now I suspect, that she totally saw through the ruse and simply plaid along to do me a favor instead. =)

[@MyssBlewm]

The 90s was everyone acting like they were too cool to like anything and consuming things to be "ironic". It was exhausting existing in the 90s.

[@thewildblueone5341]

Adolescent me had that attitude to Caremelldansen.

[@TheRazorFox]

Why wasn't the entire ship made of doors? Here's your algorithm boost Lindsay.

[@Xondar11223344]

Because then only half the people would survive, of course. They're only one-person doors.

[@IstasPumaNevada]

@@Xondar11223344 I hear nominate this The Best Comment on KZbin.

[@danielgertler5976]

You know, when i finish the time machine I'm not working on, first thing I do is to go back in time and tell the design lead of the ship it needs more doors.

[@tormuse2916]

@@Xondar11223344 Thanos would approve.

[@astoldbynickgerr]

Daniel Gertler every person HAS to have their own personal door

[@arkstok]

"The before times" is how we all should refer to anything prior 2020

[@levistewart8856]

I approve this motion.

[@jpdailing]

Or 2016

[@Seth-hc2bj]

Lol I hear this on mbmbam all the time

[@wgo523]

I like "the beforefore"

[@seanmclaggin6775]

The long, long ago

[@wolfpackjew]

I think there was also a huge "no homo" aspect to the backlash. I was in 7th grade when it came out, every girl thought Leo was the cutest ever and the movie was super emotional, so any tween boy attempting to fit in and prove his manliness was automatically against the movie, even if they hadn't seen it, just in case liking it got you called gay.

[@mikealaniz7236]

Back then you got called gay for walking outside your door as a boy.

[@soneil7745]

That kind of backlash has happened before among men and boys, and I never understood it. "Doing that thing that makes girls like you is TOTALLY GAY!"

[@victorsamsung2921]

@Ben Mazur Well said. One of the key issues with James Cameron deciding Rose DeWitt Bukater was going to be the sole main character and protagonist of the movie (e.g. we see the event through her eyes, feelings, emotions and memories), and then, deciding Rose to be the *sole* survivor of all her friends (including Jack's) and acquaintances (e.g. Thomas Andrews, Captain Smith and Trudy etc.) as well, made Titanic seem as a chick-flick. I think those decisions were likely not on purpose by James Cameron, but on "historical" fact. Concerning 75% of all the women and children on board lived, but only 20% of the men. Yes, even 75 men out of 462 in steerage (Jack and 3rd class), made it out alive. Nonetheless, this discrepancy between the two genders and the fact that many families, marriages and friendships ended up broken and torn apart, became the basis of Cameron's artistic and creative vision and choice for the movie. Concerning the theme of separation & death. Nonetheless, with these decisions, Titanic basically became a coming-out movie for Rose and her character. Whilst, that is not even initially true, because, we see Jack going through a similar transformation process of a boy becoming a man as well. And I remember after first watching Titanic, I felt uncomfortable sharing my admiration for the movie with others as well. In part of not wanting to be seen as Homo, Queer or feminine in any way. Very unfortunate. And the other, being in touch with my own emotions as a young teenager.

[@RenaldyCalixte]

I was in 2nd grade when this movie was released in theaters.

[@zoedukach]

My stepfather says that a lot of the backlash happened because boys hated Leonardo DiCaprio because teenage girls obsessed over him, and you’ve already discussed how society shits on everything teenage girls like.

[@TanyaItkin]

There was an archaeological find of some Roman basically writing "we hate vikings bc they have grooming habits and are pretty so women prefer them"

[@wesleywelch6090]

that is pretty much how I remember it happening... and I was in the demographic at the time

[@fieryrebirth]

Twilight and Stephanie Meyer...

[@dramatictrauma331]

Titanic was pretty much considered a chick flick, at least in the minds of teenaged boys at the time. Hell, I only hated the movie because my Mom liked it.

[@sbel6626]

Magnanimous Ire except that honestly, as someone who was a teen girl during the peak twilight phase, twilight really is terrible. Compare it to something like the hunger games, which was also aimed at teen girls but was also smart, well written and respected to a degree by most moviegoers.

[@mizushimo]

"Manic Pixie Dream Jack" No wonder all the boys in my high school hated him

[@razkable]

manic pixie dream girls are worse

[@807D14M0ND5]

@Epic Rhino Filmsit's a set. A pile of trash with the movie inside of it. Why would you spam this comment anyway..

[@allyli1718]

@Epic Rhino Films As Lindsay said: “If one must descend into the trash pile to admit we enjoy the thing, then this is where we live now.”

[@JackCarlisleOfficial]

I never hated DiCaprio, in fact I was and am today a huge fan and he his my favorite male actor. Gilbert Grape, Basketball Diaries, Titanic, Gangs of New York, The Beach, Catch Me If You Can, The Aviator, The Departed, Inception, Django, Wolf Of Wall St, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood are all Oscar worthy performances.

[@LostInNumbers]

There is something strangely reassuring in the fact that even people who personally know Jenny can't tell if she is ironic or not.

[@sailorkisser]

Jenny = "This is awful I love it" and Lindsay = "Oh thanks, I hate it"

[@PseudoFiction]

@@sailorkisser This is the truest math on the all the internet

[@f.eugenedunnamiii9452]

I know, right. "So it's not just me then."

[@tylerhackner9731]

It’s the 90s seems like everything was irony poisoned

[@AmellsGrace]

I like to believe everything she puts out is 100% genuine and without a single drop of irony, personally.

[@riakun]

I rewatched Titanic for the first time in a while, and I actually noticed something very minuscule, but might be one of my favorite things and small details in the movie. In a scene before Rose decides that she will leave with Jack when the shop docks, she is at a lunch table with her mother and her mother's friends. Rose's mom mentioned in this scene that Rose decided to have the color lavender for her wedding, and her mother makes the offhand comment saying something along the lines of "and she knows how much I despise the color" and talking about changing it, and then after the drawing scene, she changes into her more casual, white and lavender dress. Jack stared, looking very stunned, and it seemed like Rose was almost going to expect backlash for it (because her mother would have more than likely remarked on the color), but he says that she looks beautiful. It's such a small and overlooked scene, but it's like she could finally dress how she wanted, wear what she wanted, be herself, and he thought she was absolutely beautiful. I don't know. I thought it was a lovely scene.

[@AliyahScott1621]

Right, I was watching it last night and I really loved this small moment. It’s easy to miss but it’s a sweet little detail in the film

[@eliasmg9144]

Considering how much attention Cameron puts into detail, I'm not surprised but extremely impressed

[@ClintEPereira]

*The lesson I should have learned:* Titanic was good, actually? *The lesson I actually learned:* Man, I forgot how good the writing was in Ratatouille. I got to watch that again.

[@copaceticetal]

Also, a reminder that Micheal Bay's Titanic really sucked on so many levels. In a video about the difficulty of giving a positive review I think her best argument for 'Titanic being good actually' was by contrasting Titanic with the awful Pearl Harbor, a movie actively aping its 'love story set against the backdrop of a historic disaster movie' formula without understanding why or how those tropes worked in the first place.

[@therosesword007]

funny enough I adore both films

[@slenderfoxx3797]

Ratatouille is top tier pixar!!!

[@KaijaSchmauss]

I kept thinking about how almost all of this also applies to Hamilton (I assume because of when this video was released), but Ratatouille really is a great film.

[@naikigutierrez4279]

​@@slenderfoxx3797 Easily the best Pixar movie of the 2000s.

[@przemysawzanko6700]

What people who obsess over "movie sins" like the door miss completely is the fact that a character making a bad decision can be a part of the story as well. Jack didn't calmly analyze the door situation, he tried to get on and got scared it would sink. It was believable and totally in character.

[@viniciusdesouzamaia]

Besides, it's a scene in a movie kind of thing. It doesn't have to be realistic in the world, it just has to be believable in the story. I can't fathom people watching this as the movie plays and thinking about that That must be the product of people nitpicking this thing on a rewatch.

[@Jaqen-HGhar]

yeah I mean they were suffering from hypothermia and it ould've hard for him to climb up onto the door even if he could get on and people make dumb decisions when suffering from hypothermia.

[@lmao2302]

God I fucking hate it when people don't take into account panic into situations where people are guaranteed to panic. Like people complain about characters not doing the big brain logical decisions in a split second extremely specific scenario that's also panic inducing.

[@Puremindgames]

And you're missing, the joke.

[@mr.dantastic5073]

Puremindgames It’s not a joke just cause you retroactively claim it as such. Framing and wording is as importance as the context.

[@ziggystardog]

The beauty of Jenny Nicholson is no one can tell how ironic she is, even herself at times.

[@tophercundith6022]

still don’t know her actual opinion over Trigger Warning

[@Panurus_biarmicus]

Jenny is iconic

[@DuoXCity]

She's just awful though

[@6OceanSoul9]

Love her!

[@JRNarian]

For teenage girls who grew up in the late 90s, seeing a female hero in a story defying classism, following her heart, and being portrayed by an actress that wasn't a size 2 was a big deal. Titanic isn't just another Romeo and Juliet. It's filled with criticism against the patriarchy and class systems that didn't end in 1912.

[@coolness06]

Rose, lamenting to her mother about the obligation to marry Cal for money: "It's just so unfair." Ruth: "Of course it's unfair...we're women. Our choices are never easy."

[@jeffersonhassan4558]

Yes ....white feminism and you just proved it

[@coolness06]

@jeffersonhassan4558 I'm no stranger to the concept of intersectionality. Would you care to elaborate where this particular exploration of classism and sexism is exlusionary? These concepts can be applied to BIPOC and LGBTQ+ people too. I'm confused what the issue here is.

[@miles2176]

@JRNarian what made rose a hero ?

[@noctap0d]

@@miles2176I think they were using the following definition of hero: "the main character or the main male character in a book or film, who is usually good", so, only being the protagonist and not being the villain makes her the hero.

[@michaeltonikov]

Jack be like: "I'M LOSING TO A BOARD!"

[@firiel2366]

I'M

[@willlozinak5182]

sincerely hope she sees this king

[@MrWillcapone]

"...Like a turd, in the wiiiinnnd"

[@baraka92]

Michael Rose be like “see how I survive”

[@michaeltonikov]

@@baraka92 see how I linger hahaha

[@kirbyizlife]

There are so many “thing everyone likes is bad, actually” takes on the internet it’s honestly so refreshing to see a “thing everyone likes is good, actually” take

[@everardohernandez8036]

Check out Really That Good by Movie Bob. It's along the same lines.

[@ObsceneVegetableMatter]

@@everardohernandez8036 Was gonna say that.

[@shinylilfish]

Lindsey, you actually made me feel bad for not liking it. I've only seen Titanic once (around 2008), maybe I need to rewatch? For the record, the ending made me cry anyway, but I'm an easy mark.

[@jasonblalock4429]

Don't forget the entirety of the CinemaWins channel. Or Mikey Neumann's FilmJoy. I especially enjoy FilmJoy's "Deep Dive" videos where they take movies traditionally considered to be bad and make a good faith effort to enjoy them, or at least appreciate whatever things the movies do well. It really illustrates how much the "everything sucks!" mindset is a deliberate choice.

[@stewieismyhomeboy]

"I can't tell if this is ironic or not and I actually know her" is the perfect summation of Jenny Nicholson

[@borismuller86]

*me whenever one of my friends posts photos of them dressed like fairies*

[@fallingpetunias9046]

@@borismuller86 Do the crystals just look nice? Do the incense just smell nice? Or do they whole-heart believe in their powers? The world may never know.

[@FIRING_BLIND]

I LOVE HER

[@borismuller86]

Falling Petunias no idea but astrology seems to be a key ingredient. God that is so Capricorn of me.

[@fallingpetunias9046]

@@borismuller86 I've got friends like that and only two have outright stated it's for entertainment or a meditative aid. The other four I can't tell if they truly believe the celestial bodies rule their lives or not - the kind who mention mercury's position when they drop a glass of wine.

[@thomasmartin4281]

I’m not crazy about Leo’s delivery of his (not great) lines but his nonverbal cues are on point, like when he realizes he’s not going to survive, and when he first enters the dining room

[@JesseColton]

Kind of a similar situation to Orlando Bloom in the original Lord of the Rings trilogy who had a lot of stilted line deliveries but did terrific face acting

[@angeliprimlani9389]

There is an entire monologue in his face where you see him realize that he was about to choose to die so Rose has a chance to survive. Even if technically they could have both fit on the door, he decides not to risk it, and its obvious in how Leo plays that moment that it is a choice and he understands what it means. Crushes me every time.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

*There are two types of people when it comes to Titanic:* the people who are in it for the story, the spectacle...and those who just wanna see that guy hit the propeller.

[@Menaceblue3]

*[draw me like one of your French girls.jpg]*

[@heyryanisonx3141]

I still cry at the propeller scene 😢

[@Warriorcats64]

So what do you call the people literally just waiting to hear "My Heart Will Go On" then exactly? Where do they fall?

[@00ABBITT00]

Best comment I’ve read today. Thank you.

[@jadefalcon001]

What if we're both? 'cause I'm definitely both.

[@KevinSigman]

“Manic Pixie Dream Jack”. You know I never thought of DiCaprio’s character that way, but now it makes a lot of sense. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I realize Jack is occupying the role usually filled by a female character in this type of cinematic romance and Rose, in turn, occupies a slot usually filled by a male character.

[@firey171]

That is exactly why I love this movie!

[@brittanybutleredits]

Yep. One of the most successful and popular films of all time was actually about a woman and her journey. I love that.

[@RandomBailey2011]

Yess! It totally made sense when she was leading into that!

[@doll_dress_swap12]

Oh my gosh, you’re so right!

[@sadem1045]

Jack was a 3-dimensional character and, therefore, not a manic pixie dream person.

[@rakanie]

In a way, the obsession with the size of the door proves that the emotional impact of the scene is that good. We really want a different ending, we really feel the lose of life.

[@padraigpearse1551]

I dont i just think its dumb as fuck lmao

[@lavabite]

@@padraigpearse1551 have you actually seen the movie?? In the movie, the door can't support both of thier weights.

[@padraigpearse1551]

@@lavabite ive watched the movie multiple times and my point is that I couldn't give two shits if they both died. I just hated those character so much. The titanic shouldve been the main character but they had to have a shitty love story

[@lavabite]

@@padraigpearse1551 the titanic shouldn't be the main character, it's a ship, it has no emotions. The point of the movie is the tragic love story, not the ship. The ship doesn't even have an interesting story to tell either, it was built, it sailed, it sank. Theres no story to tell. You can not like the love story, that's fine, but saying the movie should've been about an inanimate object is idiotic. If you wanna hear the ships story, watch a documentary on titanic, not a story driven movie.

[@AllTheArtsy]

@@padraigpearse1551 wow what a dumb take

[@MysteriousC]

I re-watched Titanic for the first time in like fifty years (slight exaggeration) because of this video, and I do not regret a moment of it. I also notice a thing that I'd never noticed when I watched it as a kid: the note that Jack gives Rose that night after the fancy dinner said "Make it count. Meet me by the clock." And that's exactly what she did at the end. We have a slow pan over the photos of her Making It Count, and then at the very end, she meets him by the clock.

[@polina5468]

this just sent chills through my whole body. i've never thought of it that way

[@lunayoshi]

Whoa. I never picked up on that. Nice catch!

[@natinat1307]

That's beautiful. In the end it was the philosophy Jack represented. He teaches her to spit out, I even seem to visualise a moment in which he tells her to ride, could this be right? In any case, it became clear to me the last time I watched it that she became alive (as exemplified in all those photos) only because of him. Oh my, what a beautiful movie... It just appeals to every longing I have as a human being--even when seeing some of the scenes while Lindsay spoke I couldn't help crying. What a movie!

[@amityislandchum]

@@natinat1307 You're correct about the riding part. He says he's going to teach her how to ride a horse the real way -- "none of that side-saddle stuff." She says, "You mean, one leg on each side?!" At the end, we see a photo of her doing that.

[@natinat1307]

@@amityislandchum that’s so beautiful... it means so much to me... it’s freedom

[@drahcir8402]

When it comes to the whole door thing, Cameron said it best on Mythbusters - "The script says Jack dies."

[@TheStarBlack]

Ah mythbusters

[@doom_delrey9736]

“I can’t tell how ironic [Jenny’s Avatar stanning] is and I actually know her” Good. Jenny’s at least twenty layers of irony deep in real life as well.

[@SpirusOfH]

Jenny's irony is so deep it has looped around on itself at the very least 4 times. Her D23 is hilarious because she will talk with the same monotone sarcasm about a 1/10 as she will about a 10/10

[@merdufer]

Even her irony is ironic, but only ironically so.

[@doom_delrey9736]

SpirusOfH I knew that Jenny was intractably ironic when she said that she liked to read Amazon reviews of plastic spiders for fun.

[@zoesylvester8539]

This is word for word the comment I was going to make. I love Jenny Nicholson so much.

[@RenaDeles]

@@doom_delrey9736 I mean the other side is how delightful those reviews were, like I have rewatched that video and done my own exploring way more than I have on some of her other videos and I watch a lot of her videos 😂

[@st0lenmeme]

“I can’t tell how ironic that is and I know her” and that is why we love Jenny.

[@Exigentable]

You. You love jenny. Personally, i dont care about Jenny.

[@brettabraham]

@@Exigentable you clearly cared enough to tell us you don't

[@kerrychristensen7204]

PORGS

[@ponypublications]

@@Exigentable Thanks for sharing uvub

[@sena167]

@@Exigentable It's okay. I think she is cool.

[@luca2348]

I've stopped watching "thing bad" content to be honest. It's inherently negative, tears people down, and makes me depressed and also lessens my chances of actually having the guts to write anything.

[@iprobablyforgotsomething]

Me, too. I have felt bad for that, because Informed Opinions Good! and all the pressure to be up to date on every little thing that goes 'viral' and every other excuse we're given as to how we must be in the know about how we-must-cynically-loathe-everything-and-here's-why latest breakdown. But I really don't need an outside excuse to be cynical, I manage that quite well on my own already and in fact do too good of a job. And consuming media that tells me why my opinion otherwise is wrong because Thing is Bad and therefore I Am A Stupid just leaves me self-defensively angry. Worse, it leaves me angry at The Internet, and everyone knows that if you get in a fight with The Internet, it will always win. And until The Internet decides to pay my therapy bills and anti-depressants co-pays, I've just got to lay off being click-bated by the latest hate-rants. (Unless they're by someone I trust to at least be somewhat* objective and reasonable like, say, Lindsay Ellis!)

[@frannyc7248]

I should stop to but sometimes those content can be interesting.

[@samf.s8786]

True, unless it's in the "so bad it's good" category, it's so negative and mean and frankly unfair most of the time because it's just designed to tear people down.... And sometimes it's just an opinion, someone else can make content saying why the thing is great and people would think that 2nd person made better points :)

[@HopefulNihilist]

What a childish take, Jesus Christ...

[@luca2348]

@@HopefulNihilist I've gone back to watching thing bad content, but I don't tear anyone down for liking "thing bad." They can enjoy it, even if it's not my cup of tea. Unless it's Riverdale.

[@butterknifepatten4455]

the thing that people criticize most about titanic, the door thing, is actually a great example of how good the movie is. people are upset about the door thing because they're emotionally invested, and they want jack to live. they're so invested in the story that they bring that frustration over his death into the real world

[@GlennDavey]

I think I've felt that with a couple of AAA games recently where I was like "what a dumb decision" about a main character when I was just sad because they wrote them so well

[@mikealaniz7236]

I watched it on thanksgiving and it really seemed like if he got on it, it started to sink… but either way I would have found something else to float on or something.

[@lennygriffin2761]

What I don't like is people blaming rose

[@Kickinthescience]

No they just think it’s stupid she didn’t move over for Jack

[@mikealaniz7236]

@@Kickinthescience that still wouldn’t have worked the would’ve had to perfect balance themselves on it while dying of freezing

[@AmandaTheJedi]

I owe some of my earliest memories of lesbian panic at the age of 7 to Titanic and Rose so yes it is cinema

[@phastinemoon]

For that matter - the interpretation of Jack as a disguised “butch” lesbian, a la Hillary Swank in Boys Don’t Cry. I loved the movie in that lens.

[@klausoshaunacey8429]

Glad to know my tastes in favorite youtubers are validated by my other favorite youtubers

[@movieblocks9164]

Klaus O'Shaunacey and then it would go to be validated by Lindsay when she said she watches Amanda. So it’s just a constant paradox of validation.

[@kurtjarvis2447]

@Neil Brown titanic is the only movie to start with a T and end with a C

[@krysdoran]

Same though.

[@supermutantsam1160]

A man with a name like “Richard Davenport-Hines” is exactly the type of man I’d expect to complain about the, “poor and unlettered.”

[@katherinepagan4860]

I know - I'm glad she found that quote, I actually burst out laughing

[@klisterklister2367]

"james cameron is cancelled because he's richist!!!!" - richard davenport-hines probably

[@DrZaius3141]

Too bad Lindsay couldn't get Jim Sterling to do the voice over as the Duke du Hardcore.

[@umangmalik]

that quote honestly sounds like it came right out of 19th century Britain

[@charlieni645]

@@katherinepagan4860 Are we certain he's actually British and not the royalty enthusiast from New York that made up an austentatious name for himself?

[@Da1sygirl27]

One thing that bothers me is the people who hate on rose relentlessly. No, she didn’t kill Jack. They both attempted to get on the door, it didn’t work, and Jack told her to stay on the door and that “he’d be fine”. No, she wasn’t being selfish by accepting this offer without questioning jacks safety. She was freezing to death and her survival instinct was kicking in, if you had been on a traumatic shipwreck for 2 hours and were now stranded in the ocean, you’d take your chance at safety too. And also, people always make fun of her for being like “I’ll never let go” and then literally letting go of Jack, but if u literally just pay attention to the movie u would know that she wasn’t saying she would never let go of Jack, she was saying she will never let go of the promise she made Jack that she would live, and that’s why she said that, let him go, and then got on the lifeboat, because she wasn’t letting go of her promise to live (Jack even said, “promise me this, and never let go of that promise”, which makes it very obvious that that’s what she was referring to).

[@jammzy2959]

Thank you!

[@nellgwenn]

Except Rose was a villain throughput the entire movie. The door is the least thing that bothers me about her.

[@terribleliterature]

YES! I am also so done with people defending cal. He was a literal abuser, and forcing rose into marriage. She didn't have a choice, and the comments justifying and being sympathetic for his character are terrible.

[@carlotta4th]

I think justifying it as a symbolic phrase when they are literally clasping hands is a bit of a stretch. She could very well have meant it literally but freezing/drowning people are unable to hold on.

[@BoxOKittens]

@@carlotta4th I mean, her story arc was literally about her going from suicidal to wanting to live life, and Jack saw this, and he made her promise not to "let go" which is a reference to their first meeting where she threatens to let go as she's dangling off the ship. Not everything is written for a dumb audience. Some things aren't spelled out.

[@alexanderkirk6867]

I always thought it was really clever having the crappy CG visualisation of the ship sinking at the beginning. Priming the audience to think, "okay that's what a CG version of the titanic sinking looks like." Then by the time we get to the actual spectacle everything feels shockingly real

[@A-G-A-G]

Especially adding the real people swarming in panic and their screams

[@futurestoryteller]

LMFAO, kids today... there's barely any CGI in the actual sinking, and while CGI had entered the public consciousness, due to Jurassic Park, it was still the pre-internet times for _most_ people, so nobody was "priming audiences" to think about CG.

[@mj4andrea]

I also think Titanic suffers from the whole "it is popular with teenage girls, so it can't be good" idea that many people carry around with them, which is a whole lot of societal baggage. I remember my female cousins were crazy for Titanic and Leo when the movie came out, and I didn't really get it, and think I enjoyed hating on the movie for that reason (in retrospect, a bad take by 11 year old me). But I know you talked a lot about this issue already in your Stephanie Meyer video, so fair enough not giving it space here.

[@foxfire1112]

it's one of the highest grossing movies ever, didn't realize people thought it wasn't good

[@RobinOttens]

That was the main reason 10 year old me and my classmates dismissed the movie when all the girls in class were hyping it up. Until I actually saw it and liked it.

[@bartistclord1916]

If Rose had stayed in the damn lifeboat, there would have been plenty of space on the door and they could have met up after, and could have lived happily ever after, but NOOOO. when she jumped out of the lifeboat she was killing Jack to get an hour of bonding time.

[@MommahKat]

@@bartistclord1916 Boy howdy did the entire video and purpose completely fly over your head buddy.

[@IncendiarySolution]

Right? I didn't like it cause girls liked it, all while watching sailor moon every morning at 6

[@ShadowSkyX]

I never knew "jack could've fit on the door" was such a big complaint. It was obvious to a kid me it wasn't feasible; it was quickly shown how easily the door turned over like any pool raft, and that can be hard enough to get on with your feet touching the bottom. It'd take too much energy and strength they could barely muster as is due to them being in pain from being wet and freezing.

[@susieboo22]

I remember hearing jokes about how there was room for both of them on the door for YEARS, and being so shocked when I watched the movie and found out that they literally showed the door sinking under both their weight. Like... the movie literally addresses that. One of the most common (if not THE most common) criticisms of the movie falls apart when you actually watch the damn thing.

[@paranoidbarfbreath5051]

Exactly! This criticism/joke is so tired i just get angry every time its brought up cuz it really has no basis

[@sarastich5915]

Funny... the way I remembered it, the problem was that they tried to climb on from the same side, which started to flip it, not that it just couldn’t handle them both.

[@Fesgtrsa]

This has bugged me too for years. They literally address this in the movie, did everyone else just miss the part where both of them try to climb on it???

[@XEveryoneLovesEmilyX]

I watched it...and to me and many others it came across that way. At this point...is it on the viewer or on the film makers that it didn't come across clearly enough

[@Miyanoai14]

Myth busters did try to bust it and they're only conclusion was that it would have worked if they put Rose's life jacket under it which one) how would you even keep it there? and 2) who is thinking of logistics like that when you are literally sitting in freezing water? Also Cameron stated he would have died regardless bc that's what the script said so it really didn't matter what they changed. But yes I remember that scene so well and always get so angry when ppl ignore it to argue.

[@vladimirbmp]

"The thing about popular and 'low' art is that, given enough time, history often reframes it as high art. Shakespeare, Puccini, Dickens, even the novel itself, all started off as popular art that only got reframed as high art in retrospect." 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@1000huzzahs]

vladimir·bmp I would argue a lot of “high” art makes the opposite journey. Works once revered with almost no criticism attached get hammered later on, with disclaimers tacked on at the beginning, or gradually taken off of reading lists, etc. “High” artworks often earn plaudits for doing something in the moment that, when placed in a different time/place/context are suddenly not so pristine. And it isn’t just that “well we think racism/antisemitism/etc. is Bad now and they didn’t.” Those things were always bad, and recognized as bad in their own time, just not by anyone in power.

[@El_Pintor0000]

Nirvana is on the way there right now.

[@fehzorz]

@@1000huzzahs on this topic there's an interesting video essay to be made about "edgy" humour. Shows like Little Britain knew the racism, transphobia, ableism etc. was in poor taste and punching down, but that was the point. Sometimes being "edgy" is (ironically) mainstream, most recently the mid to late 00s.

[@Tareltonlives]

And that a lot of terrible things get reframed as classics because of the hype train around it and popular appeal

[@bigboysdotcom745]

Anyone who says that about Shakespeare has never read King Lear, Macbeth, or the Henriad. Pseudointellectual quote at its finest.

[@floppsymoppsy5969]

I laughed so hard when you spoke of dads being the only ones who truly loved Avatar... Really hit home for me. Avatar IS my father's Titanic.

[@doll_dress_swap12]

So basically, Cameron gets his hooks into the fan bases of both demographics of dads and moms. Nice. Well played sir. Well played.

[@NatsuDragneel-nv6qm]

I hate Avatar's story line it could have been way better. My Dad LOVES IT. And I can't stand it.

[@PepsiV8Chix]

Dads love Top Gear in my experience lmao

[@Call-me-Al]

I was bitter about Avatar not being a 3d walking/flying simulator, when it came out. I just wanted to look around and enjoy the world, not pay attention to a thin dull excuse for a plot.

[@nuthead8888]

Bruh literally same, he bought the DVD as soon as it came out and dragged us around the Pandora Park on at least 3 separate occasions.

[@ashleyc506]

I wish more people would appreciate the overarching storyline of Titanic. The story isn’t about the ship, not is it about Jack and Rose. It’s about how Rose, a very privileged but suicidal young woman, used the sinking as a means to fake her own death to escape her family and upper class environment drawing inspiration from Jack and his free spirit. She would rather live penniless if it meant she could be free.

[@carlotta4th]

...Did the movie ever say she faked her death? I don't recall that AT ALL and that theory sounds really farfetched to me. xD

[@BoxOKittens]

@@carlotta4th Buddy, there's an entire scene in the end where she hides from Cal, and then gives her name as Rose DAWSON aka not her actual last name. Yknow, scrolling through comments this is your second one I've found and I just don't think you've actually seen the movie lol

[@IsaDona]

I feel like a lot of people miss the fact that this is how Rose CHOOSES to remember the Titanic, she is not telling an objective story but rather reminiscing about a traumatic event that happened more than 70 years ago when she was 17; for example, she feels trapped in the first class world so she paints it in bad light, and she ideolises the third class because she tasted freedom at that party. And her memories have been influenced by stories of other survivors, that's how she knows that Molly Brown wanted the lifeboat to go back even though Rose herself was never there to see it for herself, so for me it's not surprising that in the film Ishmay is presented as a coward because that is how some people talked about him

[@itxofficial8281]

Are we related??? That's exactly what I've been trying to tell Titanic haters for years now!! A story being told by a person who remembers it from decades ago, simply just CAN'T be 100% factual and accurate. Rose obviously has to exaggerate certain aspects, like the first class being the "villain", to sort of justify her unorthodox actions and decisions during this voyage. Hell, this whole thing could even be made up, like Mr. Bodine tries to explain to Mr. Lovett at the beginning: "She was an actress! AN ACTRESS!!!" But even with all that in mind, it is still a very romantic and tragic story about 2 young people from different classes who found their love on the Titanic. As a 32 year old man who has seen the movie a dozen times (including the first time at the cinema back in 1998), I can 100% confirm: Titanic is NOT a bad movie!!

[@pizzawashere8940]

I think there was a moment in the film where she was siting with the guy and he was acting like a bit of a dick - from her perspective yeah he probably seemed like an asshole that would act cowardly

[@ianduarte1992]

so thats why the characters are so insipid and plain? thats anice way of hiding the problems in the movie you like... "ohh its just how the characters tell it"

[@MrStGeorgeIllawarra]

Most of the general public don't have the brain cells to process what you said. Which I 100% agree with btw.

[@piratesswoop725]

It’s been 84 years!

[@Getz-Da-Chompy]

Jack coulda survived easy-peasy! All he needed to do was tie up all the dead bodies around him with some fishing twine and ride his new raft to safety like a queen fire ant!

[@alphamorion4314]

Sea turtles, mate.

[@AmaraJordanMusic]

AlphaMorion This gave me a much needed laugh. 😂

[@endel12]

I appreciate the visuals you conjured here, friend

[@brittanycatherine4947]

Spoilers: Like the pirate section of the Watchmen graphic novel

[@layne721]

Jack, regrettably, was born too soon to have read Tales of the Black Freighter

[@rachelb4339]

I still stand by my theory that all of James Cameron’s movies are just a subconscious cry for help for his eternal fear and desire for the ocean. He both yearns the ocean and feels consumed by it. It will be his downfall, his final film.

[@NitemareMoon]

His final film will be released posthumously and it'll just be him stripping naked and walking into the ocean and dying.

[@iiiiitsmagreta1240]

One day, JC should adapt a Lovecraft story. HP gets it - man was even scared of seafood.

[@meggy0]

He does have an amazing cliffside property in Wellington, a city that'll sink into the ocean when we get the next big quake!

[@Myke_thehuman]

You realize he did go into a submarine, and explore Mariana's Trench don't you? That doesn't seem like the actions of someone who is afraid of the ocean.

[@SPARTAN-KD21]

Sir Grim Locksmith VIII Yeah, not sure how nuclear armageddon followed up by machine exterminating what’s left of humanity falls into that.

[@maciekpawowski6815]

Watching this in 2022 breaks my heart. Like, you can see Lindsay's passion in this video- the great joy she must've taken in taking on movies, shows, popcultural tropes etc. The joy that was bullied out of her by a toxic twitter mob. Fuck this world. Stay strong Lindsay, I hope that you will find joy in satisfaction in the upcoming projects you'll partake in. And that you'll do ok in the future, overall.

[@PeninsulaPaintings]

Twitter is why we can't have nice things..

[@charleyzimmer2505]

Twitter is a cancer.

[@charleyzimmer2505]

@@PeninsulaPaintings Exactly

[@sevargas1]

Wait what happened?

[@anirudhg4194]

Folks please sign up for nebula. She's put out an amazing video out about her one true love, LoTR. It's delightful. She may be off KZbin, but she's still doing amazing stuff. Doesn't stop me from obsessing over her yt tho

[@KingsandGenerals]

If it is so good, why there is no Titanic 2?

[@notchuckproductions5029]

>blissfully unaware aware of the mock buster Titanic 2

[@burningraven5566]

Because it's not marvel

[@andyb1653]

BIG BOAT EXPENSIV

[@grapeshot]

Yeah maybe the boat will rise back to the surface and the band will still be playing.

[@aresx666]

Bruh theres 2 animated sequels.

[@hitchikerspie]

On Jenny Nichols: “I can’t tell how ironic this is and I know her”. Man this is a mood

[@Lexivor]

Big Porg loves Avatar unironically.

[@whatatastyburger121]

Had me laughing for a minute

[@tylerhackner9731]

Me 😂😂

[@ericpaul698]

I love Jenny so much. She's the most unique person I know

[@danielgertler5976]

I wasn't aware that Titanic was considered bad. It may not be for everyone, but it is a good film.

[@vaiapatta8313]

Yep. Good script, good acting, good pacing, and of course great cinematography. Though I will say that the Oscars are not a reliable measure of a film's worth.

[@cityboy2092]

Anything that becomes a certain level of huge inevitably receives backlash. When you have the highest grossing film of all-time that immediately becomes a pop culture mega sensation with awards, critical acclaim, huge-selling soundtrack, and every single quantifiable aspect of success in gargantuan measure, it is impossible not to illicit negative responses in return. We're a society that roots for the underdog and wants to see the holy empire fall

[@Uberpod7720]

What's bad about it

[@alanpennie8013]

@@Uberpod7720 The villainizing of Murdoch and Ismay.

[@cdagyekybcrpaa]

There’s another thing about _Pearl Harbor_ that it fails to do in its story that _Titanic_ does extremely well: it doesn’t incorporate the actual event into the narrative in any meaningful way. In the Cameron film, the ship is practically front-&-center alongside Jack and Rose’s Love story; the two go hand in hand exceptionally and we are shown the various kinds of people who are on board, and its sinking eventually becomes the most important thing happening & driving the plot. In _Pearl Harbor,_ on the other hand, so little of the film actually takes place at the naval base that we are struggling to make a connection to the event when it happens. It might lead to some plot developments, but overall, very little of the film is about the attack itself. You can practically take out the attack on Pearl Harbor from the film, and _next-to-nothing_ would change. That’s pretty insulting actually.

[@This_RuthIsOnFire]

Yes! In fact I was reading some comments of people arguing that Titanic was either A) About the love between Jack and Rose or B) About the sinking ship. And the fact that this is contentious really speaks to how equally important both things are to the film. They are equal. And that is what makes it a good film, because the sinking of the ship could easily overwhelm a plot.

[@BenM.Davies]

2:55 - The 4 stages of being a Jenny Nicholson: *STAGE 1* - "Wow, this persona is really funny and goofy, and I love it." *STAGE 2* - "I have a feeling this isn't entirely an act, but I still love it." *STAGE 3* - "OK, she's just like this, and I love it even more." *STAGE 4* - "I've never seen any of The Land Before Time series but I will happily watch Jenny do a just over an hour-long video ranking all 14 movies."

[@jeniferjoseph9200]

Accurate

[@peniscapture068]

Listen. Her rankings were wack

[@SqueakyNeb]

Lindsay Ellis: Deep thoughts, educated insight, well written analysis, excellent presentation Also Lindsay Ellis: haha Leo go WHOOOOOOOOOHWHOOOOOHWHOOOOOOOHWHOOOOOOHW

[@elrored]

Lindsay: people think Avatar is a lukewarm MEHH... Me: the only person who loves it is my dad Lindsay: .... except for dads

[@CHEESEPUFF_7]

XD

[@SuperTrixie88]

Haha same here, she brought up Avatar and I thought, "My dad loves that movie"... "Except for dads" WHOA!

[@MatanVil]

Avatar suffer the same "reject the popular thing because popular bad" that Titanic suffer but worst, fucking film Twitter.

[@themadthatter]

I had no idea this was so universal lmao. My dad is obsessed with Avatar

[@willisthrilled]

And Jenny Nicholson!!!

[@dc98424]

A DiCaprio screaming montage was not something I knew I needed yet here we are

[@strawberryfields9762]

*I DEFY YOU STARS!*

[@DiloConHelio]

"SuRREnDEr nOw!!" screaming DiCaprio ordered.

[@bernacarangan]

title card: "my trash" lindsay: "surrounded by trash in the next scene" cinematic excellence

[@BryanBMusic]

Contrapoints realness

[@imthehater]

That's some well diversified and neatly arranged can products, with representatives form PepsiCo, Keurig Dr Pepper and the Coca-Cola Company, neat

[@BuiltDownLogically]

excuse me, those are RECYCLABLES

[@tylerhackner9731]

Brilliant cut

[@tahneejuryn]

I had Jenny Nicholson vibes in this video because of this

[@RobTunes]

"...buying houses- that was a thing people our age did in the 90s" Oof.

[@wildmikefilms]

It's a thing we young people do now

[@AmellsGrace]

Fun fact, I do know one person in his early 20's thats buying a house. ^^ One.

[@wildmikefilms]

@@AmellsGrace I'm in my early 20s. Currently buying my second house. Payed the first one off in 4 years

[@AmellsGrace]

@@wildmikefilms Cool, Not everyone has rich parents and a well off upbringing with opportunities knocking every second for vast amounts of wealth.

[@russellmellott452]

Bolt Let me guess, you got rich parents huh?

[@eileennguyen842]

A thing about Titanic that I was too young to appreciate when I was nine is how interesting a character Rose is. She's the heroine, but she's not bland, nor is she, "badass." She's kind of bitchy, and snobby, and not particularly kind to people, but she's also smart, and brave, and learning. She's the kind of female character I would expect from a female writer/director, or at the very least, not Jim Cameron. And I support you in liking things. As a cheerful extrovert who spent her teen years pretending to be a depressed introvert because I thought that was what smart people were - it's stupid, it's fine to be happy and find joy in things.

[@crizznik2312]

It's not really fun to be a depressed introvert, I'm glad you got away from it. I envy that you were only pretending.

[@Khwerz]

Uhhh... completely forgot about terminator2

[@TanyaItkin]

As a depressed introvert, finding joy in things is essential

[@wesleywelch6090]

it's the learning part that is so endearing.... love a character that quietly learns and has the courage to change

[@TheSongwritingCat]

Rose falls into some archetypes but she gets to be a human being. We have too few female characters like that.

[@melissaisloud7404]

TITANIC is a masterpiece in the purest form of the word. It’s still absolutely riveting and moving.

[@chrishood2793]

You say riveting. Ironically, it was Titanic's de-riveting that caused its demise.

[@Pineappolis]

@@chrishood2793 Oh, damnation, I opened the replies to make a rivet-based pun! Scarcely seems worth it now.

[@This_RuthIsOnFire]

@@chrishood2793💀💀💀

[@OKBgosh]

The attention to *accurate* details re. the ship remains astonishing.

[@ArthurCrane92]

I'm about 30 minutes in and my biggest takeaway so far is: Space Jam > Pearl Harbor. I can get behind this.

[@reikun86]

Facts

[@ironfox4990]

Somehow a 90’s sports live action/animated hybrid movie that sounds terrible on paper beats a romantic action war movie that sounds epic on paper ruined by shitty writing and directing.

[@-Zikade-]

Spot on about the "knowing how it ends, still hoping it doesn't happen". Everytime I watch that collision scene I go like "Come on, come on. Turn. You can do it... wait, what am I doing." They did marvelous job with the tension and making you care about the ship and its' people.

[@razkable]

titanic is legit the best example of grace beauty and love coming from tragedy I have ever seen...its so tragic but its so well done and the despair of it all makes you care more about rose and jack than even the script makes you care about them...you feel bad and glad at the same time and it enhances the joy through pain and thats true storytelling..its making the most out of this situation we all know ends in tragedy but it makes it worth it and sorta glorifies it in all the best ways not just to make money even if thats apart of it..you feel care was put into the making of this film for that experience and emotion not to just make 2 billion dollars one day...they could just make the film super happy or sad but they choose to balance it out...I respect that...it says hey this sucks that it happened but at the same time it makes us all feel alive

[@lazulidrawzalot]

I feel the same way about Hadestown. Every time I listen to Doubt Comes In, I still hope Orpheus won’t turn around and I say “you’re almost there, just keep pushing forward” and the tragic ending still hits hard. It’s crazy how Hadestown and Titanic parallel now that Lindsay put that thought in my head.

[@EatTheRich848]

@@lazulidrawzalot THANK YOU I CLICKED ON THE REPLIES FOR THIS COMMENT HOPING SOMEONE WOULD MENTION HADESTOWN!

[@MeganIsNotHere]

Very true, every time it comes to the scene where rose and Jack are in the ocean, I feel like Jack will wake up and it just breaks my heart every time we see he dies

[@pinkysaints2309]

I don’t know why the boat couldn’t stop then turn why did it have to keep going

[@averyeml]

The ending with her on the stairs does get to me, but not NEARLY as much as the old couple holding each other in bed as the water rushes into their cabin. That stuff RUINS me.

[@ImaNerdANDaGeek]

@Jessie Jameson I liked the scene with the violinists saying it had been a privilege playing with them

[@pipitameruje]

The mother with the baby floating in the freezing water... I'll be barely keeping it together, and then those two, and then the fountainworks. Without fail

[@BrienBoru]

That old couple are based on the founders of Macy's, iirc. They were on the titanic when it sank; the wife refused to leave without her husband and they were last seen standing on the stern holding each other's hands as the ship sank.

[@kayeokay7269]

@Jessie Jameson too soon. 🌊😭

[@pipitameruje]

@Jessie Jameson Your pun is great, intended or not.

[@avxd7]

So I watched Titanic for the first time this year on slow, hungover morning with two friends who had also never seen it before. We’re Gen Z and I think we’d stayed away because we all thought it was a corny romance. So at first we were only mildly paying attention as we reveled in our headaches and nausea and made pancakes. But we got to the second half of the movie and we were suddenly so invested, giving all the perfect reactions you’d want from a rapt audience as all these horrific scenes played out. After the movie ended we all looked at each other and said, “Titanic IS a good movie!”. We proceeded to laugh at each other for saying such a stupid revelation. Of course it was good, why the hell was it one of the most well known movies of all time? But for some reason we were just a little surprised by how actually good it was.

[@michaelfern4079]

Yeah I avoided it for years but it’s certainly up there.

[@starshiner1160]

I also recently watched it because of the titan submersible incident. Since the news broke out, my mother wanted to watch the movie. So, I decided to set up my laptop for her so that she can comfortably watch it. She suddenly had some work to do, so I decided to watch the first few minutes to see what was it all about. The few minutes became 2 hours and I had to take a break as I had some work. Watched the one hour after a while, the movie fucking broke my heart💔. Mom wasn't interested in the first 2 hours and just wanted to watch the ship sink, so I showed her that part later. Girls (and guys, don't deny it🤡) cry at Titanic, and I am proud to be one of them💔💔💔(tho I wasn't bawling and all, just became emotionally unstable for a few days, like really unstable💀😭). I am very upset that all the memes convinced me that titanic was a silly romance movie that cringe girls cry to. I learnt to verify information myself instead of believing others.

[@thestonedabbot9551]

Fun fact about the Olympic: In late April 1912 right after the Titanic disaster, the Olympic was hurriedly fitted with extra lifeboats in New York. However some of Olympic's crew inspected the boats, some of which had been taken off a Royal Navy ship, and found them to be unseaworthy and neglected. One apparently was in such bad condition that it could be kicked through. The White Star Line stated that the boats had been passed by a Board of Trade inspector (you know, the same organization that decided it was okay to let ocean liners sail without enough lifeboats). But this didn't satisfy the crew. 280 crewmen, mostly members of the British Seafarer's Union, went on strike and forced the Olympic's voyage in May 1912 to be cancelled. WSL tried bringing in inexperienced strikebreakers, causing 56 more crew to down tools in anger. Some men were tried for mutiny (hail capitalism) and found guilty. But the potential negative popular backlash, and the circumstances of the case, was enough to dissuade the company and court from further action and they were all allowed to return to work unpunished on June 25th. All of this was over a disaster that only cost the White Star Line 9% of it's profits for the year of 1912. Unions and charities did so much work before and after the disaster that goes almost unmentioned when telling the story of the Titanic. But those men, who refused to carry passengers on an unsafe ship, who risked criminal proceedings and getting blacklisted by the shipping industry, fought a righteous battle that should always be remembered.

[@ThePseudologist]

Thanks for this, I'd never heard that before and it's amazing.

[@narnigrin]

On the ridiculous "space on the door" controversy, Mythbusters actually did an experiment on that. Turned out that the only way they could have both survived/stayed afloat on top of the door for that length of time and not frozen to death was if they had tied Rose's life jacket around the door in a particular way, and then only just. So yeah it would have been technically possible but then even sitting on my decidedly dry warm couch, untraumatised, I never thought of that solution until they brought it up on the show, so.

[@shannahbaudelaire]

And the mythbusters team figured this out warm, safe, with no stakes or danger as much time as they wanted and understanding of physics. Jack and Rose were freezing, almost died multiple times and running out of time. They weren't about to do complex problem solving.

[@clayxros576]

"If you have a physics degree, you can fit two people on this door" And then people ran with that as fact it was a pointless death. This is why I don't trust the internet with solving anything.

[@diocre7446]

If James make it more realistic. Even rose could be dead. The fatigue they have from escaping the sinking titanic and the harsh coldness after will kill them both even if they both fit on that door. But that won't be a good story. From the beginning that Rose and Jack met. Jack always saves Rose. From suicide, from being suffocated, from having no freedom, from arrange marriage, from sinking titanic. The ending is just a creative choice. So that Jack doesn't betray his character as unselfish. While Rose as being free.

[@KaeMcSpadden]

Plus the water is severely cold and the salt water also effects the buoyancy of the piece of wood, it’s not like laying on the piece while on dry land.

[@arashoon7246]

@@diocre7446 except that the old lady telling her story is a part important of the movie, rose dying mean it would make no sense on that old lady be still alive just in time to die at the end (or sleep)

[@mibukdesjarlais534]

Our Queen has uploaded drop your things everyone.

[@martynkal.1248]

Literally me

[@Advent3546]

Yeah my job can basically do itself.

[@UberMan5000]

I have literally passed up watching another Lazy Game Reviews rerun for this.

[@Tareltonlives]

Shame it's one of the times she's absolutely 100% wrong

[@bubblebobblegirl1]

You're right, she's the only KZbinr I have notifications set for.

[@niahoad]

This movie came out when i was 7 years old. It was the most spectacular, biggest and beautiful movie i remember. The whole family went to the cinema. My parents bought the VHS, the cd. All kids in school talked about it. It was not just a movie, it was an event

[@lunayoshi]

I was 13 and went to see it 4 times in the theaters. Friends in school bragged about being the bigger fans because they'd seen it more times. The wait for it to come out on VHS was a tragic 7 month torture fest. I listened to the CD religiously. My AOL screenname had "Rose" in it for 4 months because of this movie. It really was absolutely magical if you were the right age or mindset. The fact that the backlash was so strong makes expressing the impact it had on people (in a good way) tough.

[@di3486]

I was 19. I went to theaters to watch it ALONE. I cried so much and left traumatized for like a week!

[@chriswhiteauditions]

I hadn't thought about it that way, but looking back, seeing "Titanic" truly was an event. Each time I went to see it in the movie theatre (4 times), my family had to plan our day around it because it was long movie. And talk of the movie really was everywhere - at school, church, the barbershop, gas stations, and "My Heart Will Go On" seemed to be on eternal rotation on the radio and VH1. You couldn't avoid hearing about "Titanic" for at least 6 months!

[@jj-if6it]

I was 11, it was a HUGE event. The only thing that comes close is maybe seeing Fellowship of the Ring.

[@hgrubb3317]

I think the reason everyone started caring about the door was because they didn’t want jack to die. I think it started as more of a “no jack! But he could have fit!!” Rather than “ but he could have fit. Movie dumb.”

[@ljm792]

I think you're completely right about this.

[@heliosfromacrossastar878]

Yeah I remember being entirely cynical watching this movie, partly because of my cringey “ i am not like other girls” phase, but also because i did not want invest in the tragedy because then I would feel the sadness of it all. The door matters because I wanted Jack to live.

[@borismuller86]

Also, imagine how awkward it would have been if he didn’t die. She would have had to follow through... yikes.

[@MoonlightWalnut]

When you write it like that, you do remind me of a *certain* plot point from the last of us 2 that everyone is very angry about...O_o

[@EsaKarjalainen]

And the door would have sunk.

[@NCascone]

Hey Lindsay. Been a fan for awhile and thought I'd chime in, seeing as how I'm in your video. I played Bobby Buell in Titanic. Thanks for the critical reappraisal and support, and I sincerely hope your book does everything you hope it will. Also, thank you for every bit of your content. Stay strong, stay well, and I'll be out here watching. All the best!

[@VidGamer123]

Neat! Hope you're doing well, sir.

[@LittleDogTobi]

omg 😀

[@markjones7138]

WOW

[@Jyn.Andors]

Omg!! I've always loved the way you said the line: "Trust me, buddy. You wanna take this call." in Titanic. Idk why I just love your line delivery there 😂

[@Beeetlejjug]

Seriously?

[@isa6043]

When you flipped that fan open all I could think was "She's been spending too much time with Natalie." And I unironically love it.

[@missybarbour6885]

Same!

[@stephss]

Really? I initially thought of Emilia Fart.

[@chrisbcpack]

@@stephss watch natalie's recent video. she uses like 5+ different fans within

[@phutureproof]

What does irony have to do with anything you just said?

[@coldDrive]

Yeah this felt like a Contra impression through and through. The "we have no choice but to stan" moment kinda sets it.

[@jeremyud]

I saw the revival a few days ago. One thing that really struck me about Titanic is that EVERY single scene has a point. For a movie that's almost 3 hours, it goes by pretty fast because there's no meandering plots that go nowhere.

[@359339]

The movie is good because the main character has a lot of agency in the plot. Rose is constantly making daring choices, and the change from planning suicide to fighting to blow that whistle? Oof, that twists my gut up in the best way.

[@iprobablyforgotsomething]

Huh... I did not previously consider that. Although my cynical side whispers "but only 'cause of a *man*..." regarding her changes. Still, that was very much life in those days, women were not allowed, let alone encouraged by men to have ~any~ agency whatsoever, so a man doing the opposite would quite startle her. So I guess those two things at least even out.

[@iprobablyforgotsomething]

P. S. I should add, especially women of Rose's social caste, were constrained. They were arguably even moreso regarded as pretty prizes and so accordingly, more watched, and more critically-so.

[@jp3813]

Except Jack did conclude that Rose wouldn't have jumped. Though she would've been miserable for the rest of her life w/ Cal.

[@borismuller86]

jp3813 do we think she’d have been happy with Jack? I’m not so sure.

[@illuminahde]

It's worth watching because Kate Winslet showed off her titillating talents.

[@Srynan]

I (when I was 12 years old boy at the time) performed My Heart Will Go On as I was a singer in our school choir. Now, I liked the song, I watched the film a few months later, but imagine my surprise when basically half of the school ridiculed me for "lmao you are singing this, who forced you, hey its ok, we all know you didnt ACTUALLY wanna sing this". I had no idea how even for preteens this notion of "girl stuff" vs "boy stuff" mattered and influenced everyone in my life. Obviously, it was quite hard to deal with all that, but I guess we just move on and forget... On another note: I remember watching the film with a close (male) friend not too long after all that and was actually in tears about half the film. At the end he was just loughing loudly at most things that happend while I kinda suffered silently. After the credits rolled he turned over and saw that I'd been crying and was flabbergasted. He couldnt belive how I could cry about something so "dumb" and "trivial". I didnt try to explain, I basically just went with "ah, you know I get emotional fast" and proceeded to agree with him about how that film is trash and just melodramatic and "for girls". So, today I found this video and was intrigued. Somebody I actually considered able to critique cinematic art talks about titanic? Positively? It was kinda carthartic. Thank you Lindsay.

[@Caneladorada]

Agreed!!!! incredible how internalized misogyny and thinking that girls stuff are automatically lacking value are a big fucking thing. Long live Titanic! Vulnerability! One direction! Twilight! Justin bieber! GIRLS LIKING THINGS DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE INFERIOR

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Well, at least this friend had fun, in a way.

[@francescobruno418]

Change friends

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@Caneladorada Yeah, Bieber might not be the best example, wasn't this guy part of certain controversies&scandals?

[@katherinemorelle7115]

As a huge historical costuming nerd... Titanic is the best use of and most accurate historical costuming in a movie, ever. I said it. Not only did it deserve the Oscar for Best Costume (unlike LW19, which was atrocious), it deserves ALLL the Oscars. Because it’s the best ever. Seriously, the costumes in this are not only gorgeous, some are straight up reproductions of contemporary fashion plates. The striped afternoon suit (in Rose’s first scene), was taken (and only slightly changed) from a Parisian designer’s fashion plate from mere months before the Titanic left port. And Rise’s costumes tell a story in themselves, backing up the change in character, from completely covered up and very strict, to the very floaty dress she wore when the ship sank (sorry for the spoiler). Titanic perfectly encapsulates the high fashion of 1912. Perfectly. Also, that striped afternoon suit is my favourite movie costume of all time. And how they combined the cinematography with the costuming was just.... chef’s kiss. Seeing first the (perfectly accurate) shoes (with stockings!), then the gloves, then the hat, then her face. It was so gorgeous and I could go on about this for hours. The only thing not accurate about this movie is the makeup- which unfortunately immediately dates the movie as soon as you see it. But producers expect that the actresses must alway appeal to modern standards of beauty, which is frustrating (and see Bernadette Banner’s video on good costuming in movies and shows for an excellent rant on why that’s not at all necessary). But apart from the makeup, it’s perfect. I have other costuming loves (like Marie Antoinette, Gentleman Jack, 2020 Emma, Clueless), but Titanic is by far the best. And that’s just the one aspect of the movie that I am particularly nerdy about. The rest of the movie was good too. Also, it didn’t fall prey to the most common historical accuracy woe... that of wearing a corset against bare skin. That alone gives bonus points.

[@cincocats320]

Oh man..I'm still salty about the awfulness of LW19 costumes. Such a missed opportunity to use the fashions to enhance how the story was told through time. Especially when the using clever ways to dress appropriately for society in spite of their poverty was very important in the book.

[@Hippidippimahm]

The shape and extreme tight-lacing of the corset weren’t accurate but other than that it was great. Edit: this was an unnecessarily rude comment and I’ve apologized. I don’t stand by this comment but I’ll leave it up to hold myself accountable. This was douchey and rude. I’m old enough to shut up and listen to someone with education and passion for the subject at hand that FAR surpasses my own.

[@katherinemorelle7115]

@@Hippidippimahm I didn’t see too much of an issue with the corset shape itself (it was maybe a bit high, being more mid bust than underbust), but yes, the movie falls prey to that most common of Hollywood historical storytelling myth- using tightlacing as an analogy for strict gender roles and how they impact women specifically. But at least she’s wearing a chemise (or combinations) underneath her corset. I’ll take that as a win.

[@Hippidippimahm]

@@katherinemorelle7115 I do apologize for being nitpicky with someone who’s clearly educated about the subject, that wasn’t necessary of me. I’m sorry! I wouldn’t change how that tightlacing scene communicated so much about Rose, her mother, their family, the pressure she’s under. Her mother tightlaced it out of anger, to make a point, much more aggressively than the maid would have. It’s a great scene and I wish I’d re-watched it before making that comment. I respect your keen eye for detail and hope to learn as much as you have someday!

[@Hippidippimahm]

@@katherinemorelle7115 thank you for taking the time to even respond to how rude I was being. I didn’t deserve that. I’m going to humble myself going forward.

[@darianrose2195]

Feel like I was one of the few who never went through a "Titanic sucks" or at least a "the romance sucked" phase. To me, the romance made sense when you take into account Rose's stubbornness and relationship with a fiancé that was already abusive. She loves her mother but her mother is a woman of her time and station who is pushing her daughter into a loveless marriage to save them from ruin and that births angst and a sense of having no control. So a very different kind of person enters her life, literally saving her from suicide, and she's hooked on him. Who hasn't known at least one person who was drawn to the other precisely for being so different from who they had previously been with? Add onto all this drama the unbelievably beautiful setting and costuming and THEN the sinking which is so well done and this is a movie for me. 🤷‍♀️

[@PeninsulaPaintings]

I did get sucked into the backlash for a bit...until I actually rewatched it again after like 15 years. I feel like most people suckered into it haven't seen it at all, or for a really long time.

[@Tachikawa_2006]

I guess the reason why they hated the romance is to others they want to make it look like A Night to Remember

[@TheNotverysocial]

Which I personally think is underrated next to this film. It's like people think you need fiction more than reality. @@Tachikawa_2006

[@KaiseaWings]

To miss the point a moment more: Having not even seen the film, I *hate* the argument about the headboard. It's shown *very clearly* that Jack slides right off. That should be enough. Buoyancy of objects isn't as simple as 'recreate the thing using the same materials' because no two objects are going to be exactly alike when they float. The Mythbusters episode on it especially pisses me off because yes, Jamie and Adam managed to balance... in a calm lake. *Not* in the Atlantic ocean when it's minus fuck-me degrees, your hands and toes are already halfway to frozen and your brain is shocked to hell from the cold. The waves would push them off kilter, they're already heavy from frozen water, already weak and in shock. It's not going to happen. There's a *reason* so many people died and these arguments ignore the historical reality in a really insensitive way imho. And finally of course, it's missing the point of the narrative. Thank you for discussing the whole women and children first thing, that's actually really interesting and I didn't know that!

[@LeonheartDelta]

They were only able to balance it buy tying the lifebelts UNDER the door. In the conditions of the night of April 15th 1912, that would have been impossible. It would require time to plan and attach the lifebelts to the door, time they simply didn't have.

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

I like the mythbusters episode. especially Cameron saying that this means he made the flotsam too large, as it was needed.

[@degotas]

While I like the tragedy... kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIfKnKmXea2gqtE

[@Begeru]

wdym the Mythbusters episode only said it was plausible, they didn't say it was a busted myth.

[@mac4951]

People arguing about it have the idea to those who died on the Titanic, “Sucks for you but I’m better.”

[@joshuacollins385]

Fine, I'll be that asshole, but only because you said commenting boosts your chances with the algorithm. Pugs are problematic. They're prone to a lot of health problems, the most severe of which is that their brains barely fit in their skulls. This quite often develops into a condition called PDE (with the P literally standing for Pug, because it's such a common problem in the breed), where their brain rubs against their skull causing everything from chronic pain to seizures, and eventually death. They also often can't breathe when they're layed down. If you have a friend who posts pictures of their pug being cute by falling asleep sat up, it's doing that because if it lays down it can't breathe. In milder cases they just wheeze when they're sleeping. They're prone to dozens of conditions from bone deterioration to severe eye problems to infections in their skin wrinkles. They don't have any of those problems naturally, because pugs don't occur naturally. The official advice for a long time has been to only breed pugs in pairings that are likely to lessen these issues, and people just don't. They want the wrinkly, bug eyed, tiny skulled pugs that sell well. Thanks for letting me get that rant out of my system.

[@vishakhatyagi]

This rant is very valid and I respect you for it

[@emilyhong2311]

If anyone reading this is considering getting a pug, please look into retro pugs! Just as cute and don’t come with the flat faces that cause all sorts of breathing and eye problems.

[@theamazingbatboy]

I hate humans and hope pugs survive us as a super-species through some kind of selective pressure that could never have evolved naturally except through the manipulations of a "prescient" progenitor race

[@DavidWoods255]

Yeah I agree with this. As a kid I was in love with bulldogs but as I grew older I learned just how shitty their lives are because they can't breathe properly and other problems associated with breeds like them. I never owned one thankfully and it'd be nice if people stopped buying them and breeding them and maybe decided to own one of the hundreds of other breeds of dogs that don't live a life of misery.

[@odoridori]

I don't like pugs now but the ones in photos from like 100 years ago are quite cute.

[@BLasherman]

1997: Who are these actors? 2020: They got Kate Winslet AND DiCaprio in a movie together?

[@medealkemy]

*Twice* Go watch Revolutionary Road :)

[@grenbaygrl1]

​@@medealkemy Spoiler Alert for Revolutionary Road, but it is in many ways the anti-Titanic. -Titanic is almost all on a boat from Europe to New York, but RR's all on land but the couple talks about wanting to sail from New York to Europe; -Leo's Jack in Titanic is a free spirit who encourages Kate's Rose to rebel against societal expectations for her happiness, but Leo's Frank in RR is a coward who buckles to societal expectations in spite of his happiness and Kate's April resents him for it; -Titanic is about Kate and Leo being drawn together in spite of their social standing, and RR is about Kate and Leo's relationship disintegrating because of their social standing; -In Titanic, Leo's Jack dies and Kate's Rose lives a fulfilling life, in RR Kate's April dies and Leo's Frank lives as a shell of his former self

[@Scuuurbs]

"Who are these actors" *pshaws in Growing Pains, What's Eating Gilbert Grape, and Romeo + Juliet*

[@StsFiveOneLima]

Anyone fat-shaming Kate Winslet is a fuckin moron.

[@liesmies6280]

Man, Titanic ripps out your heart, smears and draggs it over the floor, unpolished and then shoves it back in to let you drop from a third store window. some people hate it, some love it. its iconic. it makes u feel things u thought u never knew u had. ultimate love, utter disgust, but it does make u feel something.

[@srutica2234]

If jack had survived, then nobody would have cared for the movie. Jack sacrificing his life was the biggest reason this movie is still remembered.

[@crstph]

and also like, this is a historical tragedy where a lot of people died. if no one we cared about died that would be such a disservice-it’s supposed to hurt, and make personal an event that we usually read about in an impersonal way. “hundreds of people died” hurts less than “this person i love died,” and thats just how human beings are. EDIT: i finished the video and lindsey kinda said this but ehhhh

[@homestuck_official]

I mean, true, but... the plank was big enough tho

[@srutica2234]

@@homestuck_official 😂yeah I guess

[@TheWarrrenator]

He could have better. Maybe if we had watched him catch hypothermia instead of melodrama. Or maybe if a piece of the door suddenly broke off under his weight.

[@vanessadalpiaz6423]

Honestly, people getting so caught up about the whole, “they both could have fit!!!” Thing just proved how much this movie connects. Why would people care so much if they didn’t truly like the characters and want them to be together?

[@BryanBMusic]

Winner's take!

[@bananahead4218]

Lindsay: I'm gonna talk about Tianic. Audience: Oh nice I didn't expect that. Lindsay: It reminds me of Phantom of the Opera. Audience: Of course it does. Btw I love it I want every video to pivot to Phantom at some point.

[@alexnoel2]

Ellis' Law: Every conversation will eventually relate to phantom of the opera

[@danielwilliamson6180]

Titanic is a classic. How can anyone not like this movie? Leonard Di Caprio and Kate Winslet made this movie. They had great on-screen chemistry.

[@bbrules8646]

Because it's a stupid cliché Romeo and Juliet

[@off6617]

@@bbrules8646 learn to live and love, grinch.

[@mhawang8204]

As someone who doesn’t buy into the classic romantic story that is the emotional core of this movie, I fail to connect with it. I don’t dislike it, just another blockbuster to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@squares4u]

@@off6617 T​​⁠hey’re not a grinch. Titanic is at its core, a sappy love story. I think a lot of people don’t like romance stories because they’re rather cliche and overdone. The Notebook is another example of a romance movie that gets half loved, half hated. I think using a tragic, historical event while primarily focusing on the romance between two fictional characters takes away from the story, just in my opinion. It’s definitely not a movie I love watching but I can understand WHY others adore it.

[@skamarfire]

Without the love story Titanic would be a documentary@@squares4u

[@chrisblake4198]

Lindsay "... by drawing a comparison to of course, what else..." Me- will it be Bay? or Phantom? or both? *the world balances on the edge of a knife* Lindsay- "...Phantom of the Opera"

[@doll_dress_swap12]

... and then both end up being extensively referenced throughout the video essay. Wow. What a twist! How could we have seen that one coming... 🤣

[@darthozlord]

They say, every time Lindsey Ellis makes a Video Essay, the Gods toss a coin...

[@mistymcclure21]

Well she does compare to Pearl Harbor later, so both lol

[@felucca]

In retrospective, my favourite memory of Titanic is from when it was released on VHS and my 10 year old little brother and all of his friends would roll their eyes at it and moan about how lame it was - only to watch it like a million times, pretending it was because it was "cool when that guy blew his head off". Sure, boys.

[@a.k.6544]

I have a painful recollection about the fact that everyone considered and body-shamed Kate Winslet for being too fat when the movie came out, and it still bothers me as I find her one of the most beautiful and talented women and actresses out there. I swear the body-shaming was pretty much in the open and aggressive. (Movie is great - Go Lindsay - Rare comment to bump the algorithm, go go go... we can get out of this pandemic all together on that door)

[@rebeccaharrison2644]

That's ridiculous! Kate Winslet has never been close to fat, and she'd still be beautiful even if she was. I wonder if it's the fact that being super-model skinny was a big thing in the 90's? Kate Moss comes to mind, "heroin chic" and all that?

[@EsaKarjalainen]

I didn't know about that. Did Titanic's release date coincide with Ally McBeal or something?

[@merri-toddwebster2473]

I still want that beaded garnet-colored dress. My body type's a lot closer to Molly Brown than to Rose, though.

[@macpb2892]

Kate Winslet beeing too fat in Titanic for real?... lol she was very beautifull and sexy (I said it and I assume it!)

[@shockingheaven]

She looks so hot in that movie

[@commandZee]

Titanic won 11 Oscars and 3 Golden Globes, including Best Picture and Best Director in both awards. It's a gargantuan technical production yet still has great character development, pace, and story. "James Cameron's 194-minute, $200 million film of the tragic voyage is in the tradition of the great Hollywood epics. It is flawlessly crafted, intelligently constructed, strongly acted and spellbinding. If its story stays well within the traditional formulas for such pictures, well, you don't choose the most expensive film ever made as your opportunity to reinvent the wheel." - From Roger Ebert's December 19, 1997 four star review.

[@phrankster909]

When Titanic came out in Britain there were people going to see it who had never been to the cinema before. Old people who hadn't been in 20 years going. It was quite unlike anything else.

[@jn2215]

Same here, it was a movie where everyone talked about it, and everyone went to the theaters to see it.

[@KlingonCaptain]

I waited till it came to the dollar theater. It blew my thirteen year old mind. I went and saw it two days in a row.

[@BradyPostma]

I was a holdout. I only saw it once, months after it came out. Some people I knew had already seen it 10 or more times, and I wasn't within six degrees of its fandom. I hear some of those fan types saw it 100+ times before it finally left theaters one metric Star Wars later.

[@claytonberg721]

Titanic was an absolute phenom. Everyone thought it was going to bomb, it was getting comparisons to waterworld. It was #1 in it's first week but it's not like it was a resounding win. It had amazing word of mouth, making more money a month after it was released than on it's opening weekend.

[@silvertamagachi]

It's so interesting to hear about the phenomenon, because I was only like 5 when it came out so I really was only acquainted with the backlash. I'd just seen (and hated) Avatar, so I went to see Titanic when it was rereleased in 2012 expecting to laugh at it the entire time for being stupid . . . and then somehow halfway through the movie I remembered the boat sinks and spent the last 45+ minutes sobbing. I wonder if there's a similar "soft bias of lowered expectations" thing going on between the first viewers and a later generation, or if it's just got something that captures the collective imagination despite the backlash.

[@youremotionalsupport194]

I'm a 23 year old single man and I just watched Titanic four days ago and I'm not ashame to say, my keyboard was cluttered with tissues. I have a soft heart and very in tune with emotions. It wasn’t sadness or love, that had me in tears. It was fear--imagining how scared they must've been when the ship slowly sinking. Poor souls...

[@erichstreberg7101]

You should watch das boot

[@razkable]

titanic is so good it made all other films for the next decade feel underwhelming imo..it sorta ruined cinema....star wars episode 1 after titanic felt like garbage

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

Asmosis Jones That’s because it was.

[@marrons6699]

Internet: "Everything sucks!" Lindsay: "I DEFY you STARS!"

[@stevenqu3]

Nemesis: "STAAAAAAAAARS"

[@bronzeblade776]

@@stevenqu3 *God-Shattering Star suddenly plays in the background*

[@razkable]

it does suck how titanic and lion king came out in the mid 90's and sorta were the peak of the mediums of live action an animated cinema ...neither has really been topped so everything after sorta sucks

[@KathyGarfield]

This type of analysis is so good. Every time Titanic is on TV I have to stop everything and watch the rest of the film- it’s compelling and timeless.

[@Ayden_B]

I think we all would happily watch a Three hour “Love Never Dies” takedown

[@jbvader721]

Lindsay would need a house full of liquor and one of the giant bags of Flamin' Hot Funyuns just to make it out alive.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

I watched Love Never Dies when it was released on KZbin briefly a few weeks ago. It was its own takedown.

[@sagecolvard9644]

It said 2027, we cannot let her forget this promise.

[@bloodysimile4893]

I remember the Mythbusters episode tackling the driftwood door survival. They were able to determine it was plausible that they could both survive by placing the life jacket under the door. However, that conclusion was reached by given all the time in the world and two smart guys to figure out the solution compared to the fact that Jack and Rose were both dunk into freezing water after a shipwreck with everyone swimming around trying to survive from freezing to death were seconds count. Yeah, I sure Jack and Rose can figure a solution in a middle of a crisis.

[@sagichdirdochnicht4653]

The logical thing almost any human with any left survival instict would do is try to get on that god damn plank and figure out, if it could hold two people. Wich it could have. Now some Folks argue, that the plank would sink more in, therefore more contact with the water and so they argue, they would have died because of that. Wich is propably not true as well, since as a reminder, both are dripping wet and it's freezing cold and windy outside, wich makes freezing pretty damn fucking fast. It might be even better to be inside the water, it may be warmer then what the wind is doing to your wet body. Anyway, without very fast help, death is ineviteable in such a situation, no matter if the bodies are in or outside the water. And passing out happens quicker then that. She survived purely because she didn't need to swim, wich gets pretty much impossible after only a brief period of time. Anyway, out of all, I can really not forgive them that stupid fucking mistake. They should have really seen this. Make it a way smaller door, were only one can lay or something like that. Or something that would defenetly sink, if two were on it. I totally understand they let him die for dramatic shit and stuff, but c'mon put just the slightest amount of thought in it.

[@JKatniss]

YES! This is literally exactly what I say when people argue with me about it.

[@liv97497]

@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 did you... did you not watch the movie? or this video? Jack does try to get on it, and it flips. It makes perfect sense that after one attempt, they would both think that the plank can't hold the two of them. Really, all you have to do is watch the scene, the explanation is right there..

[@tinhead_junk]

@@actually_curious4773 they did try and it flipped over

[@clayxros576]

@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 Congratulations on blindly listening to the pointless nitpicking. Watch the movie yourself next time. It's a pretty good watch. :)

[@speakZarathustra]

As one of my all time favorite quotes goes, “The only thing dumber than liking something because everyone else likes it is not liking something because everyone else likes it.”

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Oh... Well I often like something partly because it isn't like.

[@Tareltonlives]

No, there's also insisting that people like something that is not objectively good.

[@craydogdog1530]

@@Tareltonlives objectively good? Justify objectively good.

[@literallygaston2489]

Craydog Doctordroobe they probably watch Mauler or other stupid people.

[@wjzav1971]

I have to admit that I may have fallen victim to this. Not with Titanic but with James Cameron's Avatar. By no means a bad film, its just average and really gets most of its love for the effects. But the hype, that James Cameron is working on a sequel and that it used to be the highest grossing movie until Endgame took its place, was one thing that made me hate that movie. I may have to reevaluate, because other than being cliche, there is nothing really wrong with Avatar. I guess, I really was just annoyed with its blunt moral message and how successful it was.

[@basiliska]

i had this movie recorded on my DVR for 2 years and would watch it every day, multiple times, after school when i was 16-17. it’s one of those “5 movies you would take with you to a deserted island” movies for me, i never get bored of it. 😊

[@katrinahamiltonofficial]

"It's almost like a simpler world went down with the boat" she says while pouring the literal joke embodiment of our current simpler-world-destroying disaster into a symbolic representation of the past

[@ZekeStaright]

S Y M B O L I S M !

[@EcceJack]

Yeah. She's *good* at this! 😄

[@CARATMom]

When I originally saw the movie in the theater, I was glad they decided to sacrifice Jack. I was afraid they were going to give the movie a Disney ending. I wanted Jack to live-but I understood that the emotional upheaval the movie took us through would have been ruined if he survived.

[@slightlyoffensivedadjokes]

my heart wants Jack to live so that rose won't have to spend the rest of her life all alone, missing the one true love of her life, but unfortunately that's just how life works. not everything is that satisfying feel good disney ending, and the movie would've been much less impactful if they let Jack live. the titanic was an incredibly tragic event, so having your movie invest in two likable characters but have them both get a happy ending in a tragic event is kind of disingenuous. it hurts, but it's what needed to be done.

[@ericspearman2998]

@@slightlyoffensivedadjokes But she didn’t live alone. She honored Jack’s sacrifice by actually living a full and even adventurous life. And she married. She had kids. She watched them grow. All of the things Jack said she should do she did it all. She was even an actress FFS. And I just love how Gloria Stuart plays the older Rose as a still very slyly sharp and outspoken woman who is not afraid to verbally tussle. It was a “happy” ending with a bittersweet twist. She lost her first true love, but was ultimately able to find love again because she finally recognized her own worth and found someone else who would appreciate her for being who she was.

[@potmki6601]

Idk how manic pixie serve-your-purpose-to-protagobist-then-die/disappear ending is generally better then Disney ending. In this case it looks more organic, because a lot of people died then Titanic sank. Also I somehow didn't assume they'd stay together for long if survived. But still, Jack didn't have to die. And I'd rather him not die, but keep going around doing his fun shenanigans. Optionally, with Rosa, for some time, maybe. I generally don't like charachters being reduced to their function in a narrative or existing only in relation to protagonist

[@annaskrobala3517]

lindsay: "titanic doesn't make you upset" me, who has never seen titanic: *cries over three seconds of rose seeing the people from the ship*

[@francescawhite6354]

Omg this comment is old please tell me if you've seen it now lol

[@margaretschaufele6502]

Totally the same. Never seen the movie, but feel so emotional by scene.

[@cozmicclockwork1136]

No piece of media so easily and so quickly can bring tears to my eyes than that scene can.

[@punkrockmusiclover19]

I just rewatched Titanic tonight, and it hit me like it always does. There is cheese, but the story is compelling and draws you in. If I can sit for 3 hours straight without checking my phone, I’d say that qualifies the move as “good, actually” for me!