Is Trench Crusade The Warhammer 40k Killer? - 40k Legend Retuns - Huge Vermintide 2 Update!

[@AboveTheTableNews]

Are you thinking of backing the new Trench Crusade kickstarter? Let us know!

[@KnightofEkron]

Yes. 🫡

[@TheCommunistColin]

It looks a ton of fun. My only wish is they provide a rules supplement for full "2000pt" sized games (right now it's Kill Team sized).

[@gmanplaysgames256]

no

[@blockyuniverseproductions6587]

@@TheCommunistColin They have mentioned wanting to make a full wargame version (with full armies and additional fun stuff such as artillery, tanks, and more), though that would likely come down the line.

[@ryancialone3045]

i feel if they can get a black library equivalent that regularly puts out full stories and lore it'll really take off

[@blockyuniverseproductions6587]

Luckily for you, two of the stretch goals involve stories being created for the setting (Graham McNeil and Gavin Thorpe each writing a story).

[@SaintBroken]

Doubt it will be a killer since there are also other good wargame alternatives like OPR. But more competition is always welcome to chip ever so slightly on that GW monopoly!

[@AboveTheTableNews]

Very fair! This is just one of the few to literally take dead aim at that 40k market, even down to the "grim dark" advertising around it!

[@vpt3zl]

an entire setting of black templars! sign me up!

[@johntaylor8469]

If games workshop keeps it up with these prices then yes

[@markandrew207]

Team fortress 2 getting the tf2 killer treatment long time ago by overwatch :first time

[@TheDustyChinchilla]

“40k killer” lol. Just like every other iconic IP that has a deathgrip on their respective market, the only thing that can ever kill 40k is itself.

[@nightlock826]

Considering how it nearly killed itself in its infancy just when it was about to do great…no it will proably be the same as all the other tabletop games fading into obscurity. I hope I’m wrong.

[@gmanplaysgames256]

Yeah I'm with you on that, people were excited to play a cool new grimdark wargame with heavy religious undertones and then the devs proceeded to shit on people because they wanted to focus on said cool grimdark religious themes and not on woke nonsense

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

Any way to fit it into the "get woke go broke" narrative.... as the kickstarter overtakes 1 million, be serious for a minute

[@gmanplaysgames256]

"Man, GW trying to virtue signal is really obnoxious and starting to seep into the lore and their pricing is insane, I'm gonna look for another game. OOH! A grimdark war game with heavy religious undertones, maybe this will give me what I want" "Get out of here chud this is an inclusive space" "Ok then, guess I'm not buying your game" Devs shot themselves in the foot and chased off an enormous potential customer base.

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

What do you think the kickstarter would be at now if all those loyal customers were still around?

[@hraughr]

​@@rudolfambrozenvtuber at much more than it is today, especially given that the KS is priced at riduculous levels, more expensive than GW stuff, that's not a good combo with pissing off you potential customers

[@gmanplaysgames256]

@@rudolfambrozenvtuber prob a couple million at least

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

@@gmanplaysgames256 Absolutely not worth it to have a bunch of you bumping around the discord. They already have, by their own words, literally more than they know what to do with.

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

@hraughr yeah honestly I'm sure its not even gonna meet its goal. Maybe a few thousand at most...

[@kamalalsb7292]

it's very funny to me that the Warhammer Chuds were like "Yeah! Warhammer's gone woke because *checks notes* there was one whole woman in Space Marine 2! This'll be le epic based Wargame with no Woke Shit!" and then the Trench Crusade Devs were like "Yeah we're leftists and we don't like you either."

[@gmanplaysgames256]

what's funnier is said "chuds" as you call them are the bulk of the customer base for this kind of product and the developers made the awful decision of taking a shit on them. notice how every piece of media as of late that panders to the pronoun people ends up being a failure? almost like lying media has led them to believe they're more popular and widespread than they actually are. I don't want to be preached at about feminism and gay crap, I want to paint cool models and kill demons in a cool tabletop game. mentally ill women and shut-in twinks and soyboys that have no job and live with their mommy whining about the rainbow on the internet all day aren't exactly spending hundreds of dollars on miniature wargaming. people with disposable incomes have more pressing things to worry about, and we're the ones who buy most of the product. trench Crusade will be stuck as a niche title thanks to the devs awful behavior.

[@TheLostPrimarch2nd]

Ah yes, the straw man argument, seeing the grain of sand and not the whole mountain and trying to paint the fans as a lot of awful words. A classic of modern media to discredit what is normally a more than valid critique, in this case, of GW's constant pandering and inner-lore-breaking stupidity. And in the referring to Trench Crusade, well, good luck surviving without fans. Heard is quite a fun experience.

[@hraughr]

​@@TheLostPrimarch2nd you're preaching to a leftist, you should realize they're more zealous than Sisters of Battle and much less intelligent. Arguments and logic never beats faith and leftism is a belief system, a religion

[@kamalalsb7292]

@@TheLostPrimarch2nd Warhammer 40k is a setting where the main hero faction is literally all Male. That's not pandering, but one short that features a female Custodes is. Also when you say shit like "Good luck surviving without fans" you sound like a Karen yelling outside a Walmart about how they just lost a customer. The truth is - no one wants people like you around except other people like you. You are the guy who shows up to the Wargaming store that everyone hates interacting with. You are the dude who gets banned from every reputable forum because no one likes talking to you. We've heard you. We've listened. And we'd all collectively like you to go away.

[@gmanplaysgames256]

literally had nothing to do with Space Marine 2, Space Marine 2 kicks all of the ass and is exactly what we want out of 40k. Making shitty retcons to pander to a niche audience that isn't even going to actually buy the product is obnoxious (e.g. femstodes)