ISR vs PBM vs GK-Tech | MUST WATCH

[@teamideall]

not gonna lie, the fast pace is actually entertaining and informing

[@aeok18109]

Dude I cant thank you enough for this video. No bias, legit reviews on each product. As someone who is finally looking to plunge into the drift world as a complete noob, Ive found all your content to be hilarious, and informative. Please continue to make great content. Looking forward to the next video.

[@christopherhutchins2164]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

[@JavierJRodriguez]

more like speed

[@christopherhutchins2164]

***** haha chill out, the comment was so far to the bottom, you really expect me to rummage through 50 comments to find one, just to not accidently copy

[@RandCboss]

+KickBackPanda glad you know your drugs. Have fun with that

[@eletor]

Holy shit dude, you rifled that shit out! I thought you main lined coffee and Adderall! Good review, homey.

[@moparmagoo]

Ive got a full rear GKtech setup on my s13 (RUCA, toe arms, and traction arms) and all of them fit without an issue. However, I have SPL front tension rods, so I cant speak on their quality. I agree that the dust boots dont fit snug over the joint, however, once the spacers are installed correctly into the joints, they do form a tight seal and I have no worries of dust or water getting into the joint (which is a sealed teflon bearing itself).

[@OffBeatGarage]

Make sure to share this video if you found it helpful :) I feel like a lot of the topics discussed are overlooked by the majority of people.

[@Piotr94L]

+OffBeat Garage Can You review Funo Auto Tuning suspension setup for s13?

[@abymondesir23]

+OffBeat Garage well said

[@vasilecatinean5958]

Are you seriously trading your car?? 0-0

[@chasehenry4980]

have you killed a hooker?

[@stinkbra]

More people need to share their experience like this! thankyou for your contribution to the car community

[@CodyTokumoto]

pretty glad I went isr tbh, even the basic arm package was made pretty decent, and bolted up well. Could instantly feel the difference in just normal everyday driving.

[@mas921]

loved it! i drift a genesis, but this was great for me too! was looking into PBM vs ISR and was seriously inclined towards PBM, this changed my mind! subscribed!

[@jarom1144]

Isis/ISR sure has come a long way, I believe the success of the brand has helped them to improve a lot of there stuff. When I bought my Isis arms years ago it didnt come with no dust boot, idk if its because of it being the lower brand or what (even though I remember the only difference between mine and the "pro" series then was the paint) but now there products seem to be more competitive. good job with the vid man, I had a little higher expectations for pbm but now I think I'll just go isis over them if I want to go cheap.

[@smumm]

@OffBeat Garage BRAVO on this video. The amount of information both factual and opinion is great and the delivery and editing is perfect. Huge thumbs up!!

[@frassettofilms8545]

From one mechanical engineer to another. Thank you

[@johnfstunts]

The PBM rear control arm looks like it has a place for a zerk fitting which I would think they meant for you to keep it greased which would do a good job as long as you conduct maintenance, it was common for this to be on a lot of suspensions in the past, when you apply the grease it pushes all contamination out of the pushing

[@jesuscarrillo7515]

"I appreciate you" in all seriousness, thanks for the vid man. really enjoyed it

[@codingmorrison7957]

Well worth the length. You changed my mind from PBM to go with ISR! Yay Enjuku!

[@eLhapiFeet]

So informative! This is the kind of videos we need! Research backed up with proof. I just watched this video today and so glad I got the full ISR PRO setup! Installed the 8 piece set last month myself and love them!! ISR ALL THE WAY!

[@melojefte]

thank you for the video, i hope the Silvia community appreciates this as much as i do.

[@Daewu]

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!! All my 240 friends get PBM but I believed in ISR and got them instead.

[@lochieperkins7592]

I wonder how much GK-tech will pay you to remove this video! nice video btw, very detailed and very helpful. thanks heaps!

[@rbs14kouki]

i have gktech everything on my car ... front and rear knuckles , flca & rlca , full rear arm kit all bolt on without any isue i love my gk stuff . good info on the isis stuff that i never knew pbm do make there arms super beffy ... we ripped our front subframe appart with there flca

[@tevitaphillips3196]

beefy arms are counterintuitive as you want them to bend and take the impact vs your subframe, as you saw. a beefy arm in a stack can wreck everything.

[@DaniRaces]

And a big shout out to you for exposing what that company did!

[@and908]

Full SPL aside from my Ikeya formula inner tie rods. ISR looks like they have stepped their game on. Props to them!

[@BasicBuiltHawaii]

Almost clicked the checkout button, for the GKtech arms. I’m glad I watched this!

[@1The1Choosen1One1]

I love when KZbinrs are just coming up, no that you haven’t been around but you’re definitely not famous like others, although you should because you have excellent material/content/information. Keep up the good work man and please do not turn into a TjHunt who has everything done for him!

[@Zorbii]

10/10 the most helpful video I’ve found so far

[@LowStyleMac]

where did you learn all this stuff about cars especially your past videos? I'd like to learn as much as you know. You seem to know a lot which is a good thing for these things

[@ScreamMnky]

Internets bra!

[@AidanTree]

So glad someone made this video! Isr pushing through

[@bogdanshvets5855]

This is the absolute best informational video on the internet! Subscribed! And Ding gonna get those notifications!

[@jamesford3549]

Need a video like this comparing tie rods!

[@mark5126]

Those ISR arms look beautiful.

[@B05sFINEST]

This video is exactly what I wanted to know about the arms haha. Great videos man keep it up!

[@BlakesGarage]

Damn that was fast! How many Red Bulls before this? LOL

[@josephfmolina8885]

69

[@Avtomat_Killashnikov]

Adderall

[@RaceboyYT]

Blake's Garage every single one he could buy in his county

[@madjibzz]

Where did you buy the ISR angled toe rod? Can't find it anywhere!

[@dan1906]

'I don't always shotgun energy drinks with coffee chasers, but when I do - I make videos.'

[@sansaechao2023]

thank you for the review. I've been eyeballing isr arms for a while now I'm definitely getting them.

[@YungRanch]

Oh man...And I'm sitting here plotting to buy some PBM arms and whatnot. But this review was very nice and understandable.

[@Tony-ol9mt]

Good video, good point about the welds on PBM arms. Had a PBM tension rod snap on me at the welds.

[@ACETezzel]

Love the sincerity man! Not planning on building a car but love learning about it. Cheers from France man!! :D

[@5thHeelToe2nd]

Thank homie! Definitely gave me a whole new perspective and I'm happy to see isr has come so far. My buddy just bought isr 👌👍.and before seeing this I just ordered gktech poly motor mounts (replacing my drift freq)

[@marc-anthonysimonetta3694]

Im excited to test out my rear rear CA's from voodoo13! Also i have SPL front LCA's never an issue and quality awesome.

[@TheLoydal]

awesome video! keep it coming dude. we want the facts! and you are delivering in an entertaining way.

[@davionballard7032]

Awesome video bro, funny and informative man. I appreciate you taking so much time in your videos man, i try to watch and like all that i watch.

[@abymondesir23]

interesting and well said reasearch, as for gk tech thats pretty fukn sad but you did your research and made the drifting community a better place thanx!!

[@vomdeich1011]

Looks like they put thread in the bearing of PMB lower control arm for mounting a grease fitting. To me periodical greasing your bearings is the best way to keep them going anyway.

[@misterphiluk]

So the ideal arms you are talking about are Driftworks arms. They have all the qualities that you are talking about here.

[@BrandonYouness]

Damn dude, I wish I could have this much energy at any point in my life or at least my videos. And 18:50-19:00 killed me, especially the random point at the camera. lol. You're too funny. Glad to see you're still making videos though. Been watching you since the 2nd episode of Le Drift Car 1. Keep it up man!

[@clutchkickpj693]

great vid but pbm does make angled don't tension rods. I'm currently running them now...

[@jacobram4682]

The word you are looking for is dust boot lol

[@TheBrandonWeir]

Quality video. Btw with those heim joints you don't actually want grease. If anything, you use a dry lubricant but nothing petroleum based. The only reason those boots are on there for some arms is to "keep some water out". More often than not they just trap a small amount of moisture in and rust the part faster.

[@OffBeatGarage]

+TheBrandonWeir Behind the seals is visible grease. I know cause I checked haha

[@TheBrandonWeir]

Hmm, those arms must not be teflon coated, unless it's some kind of wax that you were seeing. Mine came dry. Either way, keep an eye on them. I've heard a lot to suggest that grease attracts too much dust and does a number on the seals. But I wouldn't want to run them dry because they'll rust. I've run mine with some dry graphite lubricant and they have a little bit of oxidation on the surface but are functionally fine and have required no maintenance. Interested to see how yours hold up.

[@tcolby29]

Everything I've bought from ISR has been very great quality. Next up is suspension.

[@damiansantiago2959]

Oooo, shots fired!!! lol Thanks for making this video it really helps. Imma go with ISR now.

[@GarageMob]

I remember you ranting about this on snapchat a while ago

[@Andrewz411]

Super Legit video. Makes you think twice about buying from GK tech. also good to know that PBM is still an over priced and built arm.

[@stevefaccenda]

I had an issue fitting my GK tech front knuckles on my S13. I had to grind down part of my coilover and put a washer between the caliper and the knuckle in order for everything to fit up properly. Super rad product once I dealt with that BS, but ya know. Installing their front LCA and strut tops soon and can't wait to see what issues I run into with those. But for the price and the function, I can deal with drilling out a hole or grinding something down here and there.

[@SuperAwsomeBanana]

damn, you are seriously an inspiration to make youtube videos, just need to get my car back.. keep up the good work man!

[@fwijffels]

Awesome video man, many thanks! I'm hoping to upgrade my rear arms in a few months and this is helpful. Didn't know how horrible these arms could be haha

[@bryceeakle4509]

So glad I watched this isr all the way

[@Hydro-od2rt]

This feels like a infomercial that had limited time to explain every thing

[@TheBossKelso]

ONE of your best vids ever!

[@Aaronc126]

The pbm arms are obviously pulse mig welded not spot welded. Way too flat of a weld to be tacks

[@Untensuru.]

Did you watch the link in the description?

[@davinchi280]

Much respect bro .. keep up those videos, we need that

[@dantimmerman6693]

Is it possible to do another video but comparing Parts Shop Max, Wisefab, and Voodoo13?

[@Gardozilla]

Hey offbeat nice video. It was very informational! You should do a similar video but with s13 strut bars as there is always uncertainty on the web(240 community) as to which type is better.

[@skatefreak666666]

if they are actually nice heim joints, they dont need the covers on them. Im running them on my long travel 4runner suspension through mud and dirt and sand all the time without any cover on them, and as long as I keep them lubed up, theyll last long time. no rust anywhere on them

[@papavon6244]

That was a great video real informative. Do you have a video explaining what all is needed to build a drift car? I have a 350z but I’m not exactly sure where to start lol

[@Sumisarsar]

What are ur toughts about ISR exhausts? Cooling? Coilovers? Would u take the whole package for brakes, coils and whole suspension kit for ur car? Nice vid by the way, i always tought, whats so special about the ISR stuff :D Anyways, keep it up and looking forward for ur 240 build and toughts :D

[@JosephVWash]

Need more awesome videos like this. Great info!

[@TheDotHackProject]

just would like to say thanks for the info, i hope you start getting into wisefab, thats what i am safing up for. watch every one of your video's man, always well done.

[@classi-cal]

Damn son, firing away without breathing. You sound like Anthony from Revzilla TV.

[@Sw3EtT513]

i don't have a 240, but that was so informative

[@blathers_13]

damn son, talking fast 2day... also, dem isr arms look awesome! love the colour

[@roby46tm]

Thank you brah! I'll take your advices in consideration when i'll buy some arms! :D

[@232Stangpwr]

Awesome video. Very helpful and informative. keep up the hard work.

[@347PJS]

great video thanks, now you should do one with spl, p2m, stance, tein and voodoo

[@StrayzKid]

really great video , a great service to the community , thank you very much

[@Primer2toneGarage]

Damn bro, you killed it like burr.

[@OffBeatGarage]

+Primer2tone Garage Thanks breh

[@HeroGarage]

+OffBeat Garage how many energy drinks did you have before you shot this!?

[@OffBeatGarage]

TwerkShopHero Garage Ahh I remmeber it vividly, half of a Fruit Punch flavored Rockstar

[@Primer2toneGarage]

+OffBeat Garage Dooooode, GKTech is sweating. I'm seriously impressed.

[@sirec446]

awesome job! now thats what i call a review good pace too i wouldnt be able to watch it if fully it was slow (due to short attention span)

[@projektob9867]

GREAT review bro, am going with ISR on my genesis coupe!

[@richardg.4452]

Now only if you could get your hands on some voodoo13 arms and review them or compare them to PBM

[@KalvinMalli]

What about Voodoo13?! They are awesome products!

[@zxKrookedxz]

+Kalvin Malli (ThatBurgundy240) Damn i see you again :P

[@OffBeatGarage]

+Kalvin Malli (ThatBurgundy240) I wish we had some. But I could only compare arms we personally bought and we didn't have Voodoo13. It would be interesting to see how the threads in their aluminum arms hold up to constant adjustment over time though.

[@CesarHernandez-dc6xr]

Voodoo is good man.!! Got all their arms on my car

[@KalvinMalli]

+OffBeat Garage Mine have been awesome so far. Should give them a try!

[@RGHTBrainDesignDrive]

+OffBeat Garage The fact that they are using AL here is a total No No. Good observation and great video, Sir!

[@jamesuttaro]

You left something out about the pricing. PBM also has the highest shipping cost, even higher than Gktech which is coming from overseas. I know that doesn't relate directly to a review on the arms. I think it would be interesting if you did a video on the gouging that goes on for shipping s-chassis parts.

[@joaoguadalupe101]

i cant wait to see you drift the s13!!!

[@rubendiaz1201]

Again like the camber video this explains everything so good! Thanks

[@modsandmissiles3344]

I watched the PBM video and it defiantly isnt a cold weld and you can't tell how hot they have the welder as well as if you over lap the welds the structure is there atleast plenty for the abuse they will see not saying single start and stop welds aren't more structural over all but welding for an extended period of time not stop with such a small piece can cause the part to shrink as well as warp if not on a jig and a jig wouldn't be possible with a continuous weld like that

[@boosted_2j]

Gk tech us gonna be so pissed lmaooo ans isis aka isr is always been my number 1 brand. #enjukuracing

[@PhillipTieuChainz]

Have you had a chance to inspect the dmax suspension arms? Looks like they use similar pillow ball dust covers as gk-tech but I'm not exactly sure. Any help would be appreciated

[@TougeSlayer]

Great vid bro. The isr sound good imma get a pair for my s14 someday 👍👍🔰🚗💨

[@iBLOODBATHproduction]

very informative video. Did you think PBM's fail point/crumple zone was the actual welds? It would make sense why they use such over built tubing. Keeps the arms from flexing but when its their time to break they go at the welds. So they never loose any structural rigidity by building in a fail point

[@OffBeatGarage]

+dick mac Nope it's not. Otherwise those welds would have been seen on the toe arm which are the most common ones that are broken during drifting. There weren't consistent with their rod ends or welding between arms so I feel like it's more of just them doing whatever for whatever reasoning they have. However that was definitely not built to be a crumple zone.

[@iBLOODBATHproduction]

***** whether or not it was a built in crumple zone, I can almost promise that it would go before the pick up point on the sub frame... Then if you wanted to run those arms just plate the pick up points like what most FD cars have already done. PBM has some flaws in their products but they are not a company that under thinks anything. And for the actual driving part I could only imagine the ISR arms would flex a whole hell of alot more. And in big power drift cars that means the alignment will be scrambled under load. And by saying a product is not good cause it doesn't have a crumple zone, which i agree with to an extent, then wise fab is bad.. Ive seen wise fab rib pick up points clean off front sub frames... Its all a double edged sword. Just pick which end you want cause there really isn't getting both in a suspension set up

[@MartinBorn]

Best video of the whole channel! :D

[@andrewdobbieracing3782]

For the ignorant - is there any reason to buy the angled versions of the arms if you aren't planning on going for any crazy lock knuckle kits? Or would you just stick with the non-angled versions?

[@moggys13]

gk teck has been shafting customers for years. greg isn't very respected here in the Australian drift comunity. he is very quick to shift blame when his parts brake. and they do brake a fair bit. he has some good ideas its just a shame that he cuts alot of corners on the production side of things

[@j0nat0n8o8]

you make a really good point, pbm is quality but I think they are focused more on pro/pro-am platforms. there stuff is beefy because aren't they made of chromoly tubing and if you think about the FD circuit they are running 800+HP cars with massive amounts of torque. those chasis are already reinforced to prevent it from ripping itself apart with the massive amount of power. I like ISR because there more affordable and I think more for street/the average joe. but try do a comparison between other ebay parts like godspeed with the arms and ISR. I think they are pretty similar. just one is supported by enjuku and the other is just known as ebay...idk, to each there own!

[@OffBeatGarage]

+Jonathan Agapay Yep haha lot's to go by and different thought process for why people run each one. But just putting the information out there so you guys can decide what you want to run and have an idea of how all the arms compare to one another :)

[@j0nat0n8o8]

+OffBeat Garage then again its kinda hard to give your own opinion on something when your own car doesn't even run yet. Loving your build by the way, what kind of motor are you expecting to drop in?

[@nikita240s13]

+Jonathan Agapay FD rules actually do not allow for reinforcement of the subframe.

[@j0nat0n8o8]

+Nikita Rushmanov thanks for the info I geuss. +OffBeat Garage wow I sounded pretty rude on my last comment. I actually meant that for myself as well because when people tell me how to drift, or I geuss teach me there style, I can't argue because my car is down, but when I get it back on the road it'll be a different story.

[@OffBeatGarage]

Jonathan Agapay Going to be going with my trusty KA. And yea my car may not run but I have a lot of friends with running cars haha

[@joshmeyers9608]

After this was recorded, I assume you immediately passed out and slept for 4-5 days. That was a 45 minute video done in 20 minutes.

[@edwin5027]

I like the video but I disagree with several things: 1.I have PBM RUCAs and Toe Arms both have rubber boots covering the spherical bearing, maybe call PBM. 2.I have to disagree with the overbuilt part that it will destroy your subframe. Chances are you are still using your OEM RLCA which will be the weak point as all the stock 240 arms are stamped metal. E.G reason why most people who extend FLCAs chose not to box them. Never should you want your arms to be the weakest point beside the LCA, why would you if you already paid so much for them. 3.ISR does not have more clearance. PBM arms are engineered with the car sitting on the floor without coilovers, pretty much as low as possible to make sure there is no clearance issues. Only time PBM had clearance issues was with the Gen 1 RUCAs which their "loop" wasn't wide enough and would hit TEIN coilovers only as the are pretty beefy. These are Gen 3. 4.The weight issue, they are heavier than the rest since they use 1.5 DOM tubing just like SPL. ISR uses cheap metal and bearings they get their stuff from WindFlower which makes Godspeed,Megan, etc (other china companies) The extra weight is really negligible, it will not mess with handling. I think you are confusing unsprung weight with sprung weight. Unsprung weight is mass moving when the engine turns/runs example: driveshaft, axles, rotors. You'd have a more drastic change with wheels example: OEM wheels vs XXR wheels (known heavy rep wheels) Overall like the video just don't want some misinformation being spread to people just learning this. If you like running ISR on your car that's fine but it's been proven many times that SPL,PBM/PSM,Battle Version are quality by the Schassis community

[@OffBeatGarage]

+Ed Win 1. These arms were just bought a few months ago and came with no boot. If you look at their website there is also no boot on the rod end: store.partsshopmax.com/shop/silvia/MultilinkSteering/RUCA.html 2. A weakpoint of just the lower control arm isn't enough. If you wall tap and just the back few inches of your wheel touch all the load gets transferred to your toe arm. The lower control arm has the pivot point being the ball joint that would allow for this to happen. 3. It does have more clearance. It doesn't matter if the clearance it usable or not, but it is a fact that it does have more clearance. 4. Exactly, they are using FD spec roll cage material on what should be your crumple zone. You have the wrong definition for unpsrung weight. Unsprung weight is: "In a ground vehicle with a suspension, the unsprung weight (or theunsprung mass) is the mass of the suspension, wheels or tracks (as applicable), and other components directly connected to them, rather than supported by the suspension." So yes, that includes all suspension components such as arms. Glad I could clear up the misinformation you stated :)

[@blahhhhh430]

+OffBeat Garage took me "an hour tops" to understand this

[@edwin5027]

+OffBeat Garage Your straw man argument didn't clear up anything. 1. Your experience with PBM is purely anecdotal, I suggest reading up on some forum posts and contact PBM to see that the arms do not come as you stated.I said contact PBM to make sure they send you a rubber boot. Saying you bought it months ago doesn't mean they don't come with any. Here's a picture of how i got mine over a year ago dust boots and paint even on the inside where it bolts on. i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/DJPimpFlex/28ae0c58.jpg 2. The pivot point is not just the ball joint but also the other two connected to the subframe. This isn't uncharted territory many threads about how the first thing to give in the rear is the RLCA all you have to do is just search and read. examples found: Stock arms and the only thing to give RLCA i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q624/fair26in/cf2c4da1.jpg Parts Shop Max arms and Eccentric Lock out kit i.imgur.com/Yg1OxZM.jpg imgur.com/a/uwPes only RLCA gives 3. Of course it matters if the clearance is usable or not when talking about giving something an advantage. You can't give an advantage where one does not have it. Both arms with the frame literally on the floor none will hit anything,none have the advantage since the clearance is enough or more than. 4. I admit I am wrong and suspension arms are included in unsprung weight, but I still stand that the weight is a very negligible amount considering you get a stronger better quality arm.

[@OffBeatGarage]

Lol youtube arguments

[@OffBeatGarage]

+Ed Win This is the last time I'll be making a comment here because anything more at this point is the equivalent of talking to a wall. The new arms do not come with a boot. The older version, which you have, may have come with a boot, but the most recent version that is currently for sale does not come with a boot period. I have multiple friends bend stock toe arms along with stock rlca. They usually both go hand in hand but it all depends on the impact and there is no one example for all impacts which is why each stock arm is a failure point to prevent subframe damage in all unforeseen circumstances. Hence why aftermarket arms need to maintain this characteristic. Unsprung weight has the largest impact on your car's handling. To say it's negligible is just an ignorant statement that shows your lack of knowledge. But besides those issues let's get into the rest of their arms. There's no excuse for the poor paint coverage on the arms. And if you think it was just our arms with this flaw, you would also be wrong. Every RUCA I've seen, even the ones displayed at FD aren't coated there. That is unacceptable. Additionally their locking mechanism is completely unnecessary and makes adjusting the arm a nightmare. If you are in a racing environment and constantly make changes to your alignment you would realize that this is a major flaw. Overall PBM has a lack of thought put into their products. Just taking the most of everything and slapping it together without actually putting any engineering insight into the arm. Then cover it up with some gold and copper looking stuff to look pretty to match their pretty welds, which similar to their arms, are form based rather than function based. Additionally you can tell the poor work they do by looking at the roll cages they fabricate for people. Some of the worst fitting cages I've seen and all with stitch welded base plates which is absolutely unacceptable. No racing organization would let that type of work pass tech whatsoever. But anyways, enjoy running the overweight, overbuilt, overly complicated, overpriced, underengineered arms of PBM. End discussion/ PS. the PBM arms in this video are for sale if you want to buy them. We're switching to all ISR.

[@adnailsupply]

DamN wish I watched this before I bought gktech tension rods for my r33 gtr. Should have went stock

[@jee187]

6 minutes in and all I keep thinking is "Duuuude slow tf down!"

[@jee187]

PS are you sure the GKT tension arm isn't hitting the sway bar mounting location because the flange is upside down?

[@directions9244]

+Offbeat Garage when are you gonna show a video of you drifting the FD Drift car I really wanna see it in action?

[@asianyangster916]

Great review. Thanks for in depth details. By far great info.

[@OffBeatGarage]

My pleasure :)

[@DougDrifts]

Huge amount of info in this one video! Thanks for putting this together. Quick question, I may have missed it in the video, but in your description you said the ISR arms are from the Pro series, but I'm guessing they are the angled version? The images look different from what you have. Thanks!

[@OffBeatGarage]

+Doug Drifts Yep I got all the angled pro series arms. I e-mailed ISR as well and they said they discontinued the angle toe arm so the only toe arm available as of now is the straight version. Angle tension rod however is still available.

[@DougDrifts]

+OffBeat Garage +OffBeat Garage cool man, thanks for following up. This is the kind of relevant, updated information we need! Hope to see you around at some drift events soon, I'm in the SoCal area as well.

[@dylanprasad99]

So much energy I got tired just watching