Israel Can't Win | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

Douglas Murray and Frank Bruni join Bill Maher to discuss the international community's double standard when it comes to Israel.

[@paulmoulton7248]

The reason why Ukraine and Israel is treated differently is the fact that too many people only see power imbalance as the measure of right and wrong.

[@geelangfordo3272]

Ukraine hasn't been occupying and stealing land from the Russians for the last 75 years.

[@burns281981]

Or maybe because one is a Holy War based on religious zealots and the other is a land grab by Russia.

[@JJPrizeDistributionComittee]

Just curious, how many apartment blocks, hospitals, and schools has Ukraine obliterated?

[@ems4884]

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[@ems4884]

Even when the ideology doesn't match. That's the dangerous part.

[@erine.5680]

'And the Saudis will be keen on the gays ' I burst out laughing.Thanks Douglas

[@fukdupdude]

Alan Turing?

[@elkobit7415]

B I G O T.

[@megansummersides4255]

@@elkobit7415 😂😂😂 C’mon Man!

[@collegecall007]

Saudis are Israeli American allies. 😂

[@ra001g]

I don't know if Israel will loose the belic war but they for sure lost the propaganda war.

[@Aleksus]

This is because of people like you who puts too much into "propoganda" instead of a real truth

[@rbarnes4076]

I disagree. According to recent polls, 70% of the US citizens support Israel 100%. That means only 30% are affected by the propaganda. This is consistent with the history I've read. The German National Socialists before WW2 (I won't say their real name since youtube will hate me for it) only captured 30% of the German vote. If you read the history of WW2 you'll get a good idea why this allowed the socialists to come to power.. but the original point stands.. only a third of any population normally responds to propaganda in a way that is consistent with what the propagandists want. Most people can see through it. And Americans, God bless them, exemplify this point at this moment in history.

[@smsheard]

@@Aleksus I think you will find that the IDF are more interested in Propaganda rather than truth. They have continiuosly liead in the other wars they had about some slaughters the y have done, so why would you believe them now. All the Hamas figures for the dead civilians were always veryfied as being as a ccurate as they could be and all this in hind sight again and again and again over decades. Soask yourelf a serious question and try and use critical thinking. who is telling the truth?

[@sanders7789]

Now that people can see through all the pro-Palestinian lies, many have joined the fight with Israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

[@xodr5]

Gaza people are welcome to Turkiye with some green. We have a new allah which is $ in Turkiye. allah is busy building heaven.

[@jackparker2470]

If Ukraine massacred 30k civilians we'd criticize them too. *sigh* It's not surprising to see Bill and this guy completely ignore the Palestinian people; they don't exist in Bill's mind.

[@symphonymelody9235]

So are you criticizing Hamas?

[@batmanRBC]

@@symphonymelody9235this is a bullshit argument. Bibi propped them up so he could never have to have a two state solution.

[@palmharbor6317]

Free the Palestine People from Hamas.

[@JamieZero7]

They are Hamas. Have you not seen the have been training kids for decades. Funded by the UN.

[@Silence_Duder_Gooder]

You lack the understanding of this conflict, obviously.

[@dresca2501]

Hamas got elected into power by the Palestinian people in 2007, and removed all elections form palestine to insure they stay in power. They have held their country as hostages ever since Hamas needs to be removed. But Israeli government funded them to promote Netanyahus agenda of centre right wing fear mongering, so Israel created this issue in a around about way to continue conflict😅 This is just chaos. No winners all losers

[@otchigal6527]

@@Silence_Duder_Gooder You lack the understanding of Hamas

[@Silence_Duder_Gooder]

@@otchigal6527, and you lack understanding of the history of why Hamas is still there. And it wouldn't even matter if Hamas was removed from this metric, because another civilian militia would have to take their place, UNLESS Israel started doing the right thing, which they obviously won't, just so long as Netanyahu and his Likud Party of neocon thugs are in charge. Have a nice day. 😁

[@mistymeaner1753]

Thank goodness for the Green Prince. That man has been VERY BUSY this year, and I'm so thankful for him.

[@pigtailsandteddybears]

I'm stunned he's still alive. (I'm happy but definitely surprised.)

[@ravimaharaj1208]

The Green Prince?? Booster Juice Smoothie ass name

[@LockdLoaded619]

His name is Mossab Hassan Yusuf. Learn the fucking Arabic.

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[@modsoul1]

Why don't we just give Alabama to the Palestinians. It's about 10 times bigger than the State of Palestine with about the same population.

[@ttt5205]

Give florida to the Israeli's if the US is so keen on defending them.

[@xSGTxPEPPERx]

Israel can have Florida and Palestinians can have Michigan.

[@Bill87762]

Why don’t we give California or New York to the Palestinians? Let’s just say you’d be best to keep Muslims and Jews away from the Americas as best we can- for our own safety

[@AmethystEyes]

@@xSGTxPEPPERxthe Palestinians have not invented anything beyond weapons. (You can google that). Meanwhile Israel has invented so so much. Cherry tomatoes, the camera pill they use in surgeries, drip irrigation, the list goes on and on.

[@ervinlima9678]

Well actually that’s exactly what Ukraine was told. Don’t strike here. Don’t do that. Don’t do this. Can’t use these weapons for this or that. Ukraine is not allowed to win.

[@ultrastoat3298]

Ukraine is fighting the most powerful non western military superpower. Israel is fighting mostly women and children.

[@monkeybusinessasusuall5467]

But they did strike anyway

[@parlance283]

don't do this? don't do that? What the fuck are you trying to say? Why does everyone talk like PBD now? He's speaks like a functionally illiterate person.

[@AndersLiljeblad]

@@monkeybusinessasusuall5467 Only occasionally, often inciting ire from the West.

[@KaoticReach1999]

Uh what....? What have they been told not to do? Seems like since day 1 everything has been on the table...and considering they've been given over 150 billion from the US alone, and equipment/munitions from the whole world...

[@bbirda1287]

Ukraine was very much told from the beginning "Don't win too much". Weapons given to them had their ranges shortened. Thank you UK for crossing the line with Challenger tanks and Storm Shadow. They've been prevented from attacking into Russia with US supplied weapons. How can you not attack troops massing on your border when you are already at war? They've been told to not hit Russian oil infrastructure after sanctions were ineffective and largely bypassed. They've been supplied just enough to prolong the war without letting them succeed in evicting Russian invaders. Would the summer offensive have been successful if Ukraine had ATACMs? We'll never know, but they've been hitting Russian airfields, boats, and training and supply depots hard since they got the few they were supplied.

[@folkink4349]

Yes I remember all the "don't humiliate Putin" bs.

[@melange78]

West didn't say they could not reconquest their 2014 borders, they just say don't attack Russia proper. However, Israel is not even allowed to target missile sites that are being fired at Israel.

[@Disorder327]

You hit the nail on the head. Remember Macron saying we need to give Putin an off ramp?

[@iocantokg]

You are so mislead.

[@Saiputera]

Ukraine is too privilege

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[@Alarik52]

It didn't start recently at all - this started over 70 years ago.

[@patrik4586]

Yes, and it was started - and continued - by the Arabs for a good 40 years. Look up the ”three nos of Khartoum”

[@PFB1994]

the ones winning are Arms Contractors. $100 Billion in additional spending to the already $850 Billion annual spending. Where are the people worried about the national Debt? Eisenhower explained the Military Industrial Complex in his 1961 speech. Orwell explained it in 1984 - the war is not meant to be won, its meant to be endless. It's profitable, that's what matters.

[@sarge5000]

You're point? This aspect of human nature will never change. Countries have nucs. Unless you want to live under a dictator in a foreign land, or be incenerated, learn to live with some uncomfortable truths.

[@PFB1994]

@@sarge5000 War is profitable, therefore war is a good result. It doesn't matter who wins or loses. The US just spent Trillions fighting in Afghanistan. We lost. But profits were high. They asked Joe Biden about US Citizens getting health care his answer is 'How you gonna pay for it'. But it's a great idea to add $100 Billion in debt to help other countries spend for their wars? Nobody even pauses to think about adding $100 Billion to the debt - see Eisenhower's 1961 speech. Israel has universal healthcare, how about they take away their citizens healthcare to pay for some weapons? We are sending billions to Ukraine to keep their pension and health care payments (its not just weapons). Adding to the debt is great for a country we have no treaty obligation to and yet we call American citizens who paid for the social security system 'entitled leeches' Its beyond insane.

[@hatsofftoroyharper2]

"Uncomfortable truths" lol it's literally as corrupt an idea as possible. Let's profit billions while other people die. This idea that we shouldn't ever even attempt to do better because, this is the way it's done is insane.

[@scray00]

It’s true and always has been. However with the 15 mil ter ole joe has let in here you’ll be saying money well spent on n our military when the next 9/11 is here which should be any day now since every fto knows how weak obiden is and sees how he’s pandering to the H supporters for votes by not sending Israel the aid that was agreed upon. They all now know to take hostages as well.

[@KrolKaz]

The uncomfortable truth is that 50+ countries are being out produced by one that is spending less than 1/5th of what we spend on ours. A country that has a better economic forecast than most EU nations ,winning both on the economic and military fronts despite it being one of the most heavily sanctioned countries on earth. I guess the point being that you can't just throw money at the problem, you need to spend it wisely. Every war nato is backing could've easily been solved over the phone using basic diplomacy.

[@jopo7996]

We'll still be discussing unrest in the Middle East a hundred years from now. Yawn.

[@duran9664]

🚩Bill & legacy media need to stop the lie & the manipulation 🤦‍♀️ Since Camp David, the Palestinian official Authority has recognized Israel as an independent state. Yet, the Israeli government has NEVER recognized Palestine as an independent state. 🤷‍♀️ Yes, non-official Palestinian extremists & terrorists refuse to recognize Israel, but at the same token, Israeli extremeists & terrorists refused to recognize Palestine! Perhaps the main difference here is that some Israeli extremists actually officially work within the current Israeli extremist government, e.g. Itamar Ben Gvir, Bezalel Smotrich, & Yariv Levin!🤷‍♀️

[@longstraightlines6747]

As long as Islam exists.

[@wade8085]

@@longstraightlines6747 you spelt israel wrong champ

[@user-ii1pt5vq3e]

I'll always support Israel and the Abraham Accords.

[@michaelblaes9847]

Over a millennium and still fighting. I think they will keep fighting for a long time.

[@janradtke8318]

On the other hand I cannot see how the war in Gaza leads to a better situation for Israel. If they occupy Gaza, they will have a mess on their hand. Together with the harm done to the civilian population, they are breeding the next generation of Hamas (or whatever next terrorist organization). They have and are continuing to loose he support of the West - and Netanjahu buries his criminal affairs and the incompetence, which allowed the attack in the first place, under it.

[@BillBarr4President]

*lose.

[@painpapadopoulos8120]

There won't be next hamas Generation. Hamas is Iran's proxies who threaten all the muslim countries, not just Israel. There is a reason that none of the muslim countries aside from Turkey and Qatar support Hamas. And These two countries don't accept refugees from Palestine either.

[@leegranite2920]

Title of this clip is misleading. “They’re not allowed to win” is different than “can’t” which was never said in the clip.

[@kentuckyfried9499]

To be clear if Israel wanted to they could win the war in minutes.

[@deadgolfer6345]

I think what it means is like when your spouse is going to be mad if you do thing A but also if you do thing B and you throw up your hands and you say, "I can't win". It's a figure of speech. Not sure they meant to imply that Israel is incapable of military victory.

[@chhuntley5616]

Mislead again

[@MrUTube-mv2jg]

I’m sorry but you may have autism is you find the title misleading. Read Between The Lines He also said the exact words “they’re not allowed to win”. What more do you need? 😂

[@andrewgoodman4367]

​@@deadgolfer6345was just about to explain this but you've done a better job of it.

[@patriciaphillips6925]

Their problem is their religions beliefs, unwilling to compromise, forgive, evolve. etc. This region has been fighting forever. If it weren't for the oil in the region the US would not care one bit!

[@wickedbrenda6951]

But it is far from the oil, they want to rebuild King Saloman's Temple. It is all about their religious beliefs. Your already on KZbin. Look for documentaries about it on here. But not the religious ones. The ones that tell you the truth like historians. This is about bringing about the apocalypse. The 3rd time the temple falls, I think the Muslims may be having an issue with that to. But yeah, there is a lot more that they don't go into as to why the keep rebuilding that temple. Personally, I think everyone should know what they are NOT saying about it all!! Have a good one!😊

[@Crazylalalalala]

which is the main reason to promote electric vehicles.

[@Aireck174]

Its not about the oil. If any American admin actually wanted more oil they would just drill in Alaska and gas would be 40 cents.

[@Io-Io-Io]

You are mistaken. It's the #AIPAC that rules the USA. Read Mearsheimer's 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy'

[@fyukfy2366]

Israel has the second least oil of any country in the middle east and it's not like being allied with Israel helps america with the countries that do have oil, so no, this has nothing to do with oil

[@kevinomahoney]

Moderation in warfare is suicidal.

[@devgupta8815]

Do your “wise word” apply to past British actions in Ireland too ?

[@carlodave9]

Let’s pretend that maimed kids who’ve lost family don’t become terrorists. Let’s pretend Bibi can kill as many Hamas as he’s creating. Bibi loved and supported Hamas. He WANTS extremist enemies, not peaceful opponents, to use as more excuse to take more Palestinian land and abuse more of them. Because Zionism tells him God is only on his side. Ridiculous.

[@noelsonkwa]

@@devgupta8815yes, they’ve allowed the Irish to exist this whole time. Who knows how many IRA have been allowed to flourish or how many have been born since.

[@shitshow-shitshow]

May you never be on the weaker side of a power assymetry, whether in a just war or unjust war.

[@avisitorhere]

Wars for thousands of years were fought in moderation between armies. It is only modern warfare that took off the guardrails. Now total war means total destruction.

[@HandsomeFlackoJodye]

My opinions have grown to change on this subject. I agree that Israel has a right to defend itself and there is propaganda coming from both sides. Let’s be real about something though. Unlike Ukraine, people living in Gaza can’t leave Gaza, no surrounding countries will help any of them, the civilians can’t do anything but be used by Hamas as human shields or Israel as target practice. It’s a now win situation where neither side is right about what they are doing, to take a side and say the other is vehemently wrong is to deny any logic and to the situation. Pray for civilians!

[@jesuswept1334]

No one is capturing the Khazar occupiers in Palestine, the border is open, let them go home in poland.

[@iocantokg]

Because of the extreme leadership if Netanyahu, Israel will be known as the bully of the Middle East.

[@captainchaoscow]

Why can't the Gazaens go to Egypt, Jordan or Saudi Arabia. In the city of Mina are air conditioned tents for 3 Million people. Bahrain, Quatar and UAV are pretty rich. They need people for their economies. And if I not mistaken they all speak Arabian. Also many worked in Israel. Maybe a false victim mentality fueling their nationalism and revisionism won't help the Palestinians.

[@giltuito1545]

I appreciate your attempt to try and be fair. good faith is always appreciated. I will just note that there is a very good reason why Egypt isnt taking in Gazans. they are no Ukranians, Ill tell you that. I will also note that Israel isnt using civillians as "Target practice". thats actually a terrible smear. Israel is killing less civillians in comparison to terrorists than any other modern army in history, when fighting an Urban war. just facts.

[@tcuster55]

​@captainchaoscow it's a good question and I'm amazed that Egypt and yhe other Arab nations have not been criticized. But fact is Egypt will not let them in

[@incaseinever]

"Never allowed to win"..= a global issue

[@eden2011x]

Thank you Douglas Murray!!

[@vadimastprojects8770]

Come on, post the whole thing!

[@larryalden79]

What garbage

[@polarbear4612]

In the early 1940’s when they started negotiating with the British about who would get the British land that the British acquired from the Ottomans, the two groups at the bargaining table were the Arabs and the Jews. The “Palestinians “ didn’t exist yet. They didn’t exist until 1960’s… and yet we MUST believe that they are the only indigenous people, and that ALL the land is theirs, that the Jews…the only ones who have ever negotiated for peaceful division, are the invaders stealing land and are the aggressors. How stupid the world has become.

[@tomgallagher7870]

So because alot of arab families who lived and worked on the land but may not have had deeds for centuries they had no rights?none at all?u do realise the zionist leaders admitted to create a jewish state transfer of the local arab population would have to happen?but your ok with that?u see nothing wrong with that?.

[@davidbutler116]

Help me understand ... I thought Palestine was created in 1920 by the victorious allies after WW1 in the Treaty of Sèvres, along with Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. Why would we not consider the people of that new state Palestinians from 1920 onwards? And how are the Israelies the only ones who ever negotiated for a two-state solution? What about Camp David and Oslo? The last Israeli leader who was serious about that was Yitzhak Rabin, murdered by Zionist extremists in 1995. Since then Israel has been ruled by leaders with zero interest in a lasting peace and who benefit politically from a never-ending conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah.

[@polarbear4612]

@@davidbutler116 Ok, I’ll help you understand. Palestine was named by the Romans (Hadrian) after they conquered Judea and dispersed the Jews. (Look up Jewish Diaspora) He changed the name to cut the Jews from land. There was never a nation called “Palestine “ and there were no people who called themselves Palestinian until the 1960’s for political expediency. Palestine was the name of a territory on a map. There is no Palestinian language, no ancient Palestinian coins and so on. What you’re referring to in 1920 is the British winning the land from the Ottoman Turks who sided with the Axis in WWI, and who had controlled the territory for the previous 400 years. At no point has there ever existed a Nation, State or Country of Palestine. The now British territory was called “The British mandate for Palestine”. It was inhabited by Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druiz etc… None of those groups had ever had a nation called Palestine. In fact, when the Arabs were rebelling against the British in the mid 1930’s, they called it the Arab revolt. It never occurred to them to call themselves Palestinian. There is no separate group of Arabs who can remotely be considered to be the only indigenous people of the territory of Palestine. That is a lie, plain and simple. So the British had promised to turn the mandate over to the Arabs AND to the Jews. From the very start they were going to have to negotiate and share. The Jews wanted to negotiate, the Arabs never have. That is the source of the conflict. The British turned over the area now known as Jordan to the Arabs. They tried to do the same in Israel with the Jews but the Arabs would have none of it. They demanded it all and have not wavered from that demand with a continuing promise to destroy the Jews as seen by the election of Hamas and their promise to wipe out Israel and they’re chants of “from the river to the sea” Camp David: it was an agreement between Egypt and Israel. It has nothing to do with the “Palestinians “. You have to remember that the nations surrounding Israel all hated Israel and attacked Israel without provocation unless you count wanting to exist as a provocation. The Failure of the Oslo accords : jewishunpacked.com/the-oslo-accords-peace-between-israelis-and-palestinians/ Doomed from the start and undermined by continuing Arab violence and distrust on every side. As to your last comment about Israel not wanting peace 🤦‍♂️ What’s wrong with you? Why would Jews want thousands of rocket attacks over decades, having their Olympic athletes murdered, having extremists sneak across the border to kidnap, rape and murder them? The assertion makes no sense. The Jews want peace and to be left alone. They control Gaza because Gaza is used as a staging area by the Arabs from which to launch attacks and plot war. What’s important here is that you can’t understand the present if you don’t have any awareness of the past.

[@annajordan243]

I guess it depends on which version of history u trust . The white man's version ....or REAILTY

[@jufrivision5408]

What do u mean palestinian doesnt exist untill 1960? They suddenly poof into existance? I advise not to complicate things with "labels". There are human being living "there" & most of them arabs muslim/christians. After that came more new comers & they are jews from other "places" (not to complicate) & now their having war with each other. For now, going further backward & labelling them wont help. People can read. moving fwd everyone must spread the need to stop the war & next & next

[@stmagv]

Except the leaders are not in Rafah and the resurgence of Hamas in the North are an indication that the military strategy is not working.

[@kyleedwards3168]

Misleading title. That’s not exactly what he said there is it?

[@karlfranz9373]

clickbait

[@zacharywhite211]

He said it. Word for Word

[@tomsmith6045]

He stated that Israel is not allowed to win. So, yes, the title can be understood to mean that Israel is not able to win.

[@maskedmarvyl4774]

@@zacharywhite211 , There were more words after that that put it in context. You know, the words you omitted as well. Dishonest much?

[@MrMAXZ888]

It made you click, didn't it. You and me both.😅

[@rob5894]

This man says jounalists should be non partisan? This is the most one sided partisan pit sweater I've ever seen on any show.

[@joujou_official]

Probably because he's on the side of speaking the truth

[@JenM.5387]

If being pro-democracy is being "partisan", I'll happily chose a side.

[@e.j.406]

Which truth is that? The truth that you can’t stop a war until the enemy is 100% defeated or if your enemy attacks first you get to commit genocide against their people?

[@jlev1028]

​@@e.j.406The former.

[@e.j.406]

@@jlev1028 Attention all 90-year-old Vietnam Vets. Please report for duty. A youtube commenter thinks we made a mistake.

[@Junito24]

Well, if we're talking about fairness, then let's shine a light on the situation. Israel never gets a fair break? Really? I suppose decades of land appropriation, forced displacement, and military occupation don't count as a leg up, huh? Or maybe the unsettling truth that they can take lives while never facing accountability for their actions. Last time I checked, the scale was tipping quite generously in Israel's favor, with a whole state carved out through tactics that would make Machiavelli blush. And let's not forget the not-so-subtle backing from a certain superpower, which conveniently provides enough firepower to give Goliath a run for his money. So, forgive me if I'm not shedding any tears for poor old Israel and its supposed lack of fairness. It's like watching a heavyweight boxer complain about never winning a fight while standing on the neck of their opponent. So cut the dramatics! 🎻 We have been awakened to the realities that have unfolded for decades in PALESTINE, and what Bill Maher and his Zionist sympathizing guest spew, is nothing but Propaganda

[@holemogaming8677]

funny how your referencing the torah while attacking it's creators. not impressed buddy.

[@Junito24]

@@holemogaming8677 Oh, how utterly narcissistic to assume I was trying to impress you! My apologies for shattering your illusions, but your feelings? They're just not on my radar 😂😂

[@holemogaming8677]

@@Junito24 bro thinks he's shakespeare

[@Junito24]

@@holemogaming8677 Why thank you, though I wish I could share the sentiment.

[@holemogaming8677]

@@Junito24 get of your high horse. israelis were displaced from gaza, not the other way round. we have tried to compromise over and over again. and hamas has rejected every time

[@oscarhaffmans3001]

Ideology does not explain Reality. Facts people. Facts. Engineers vs. Politicians. Who do you trust?

[@RosieRoserules]

This was painful to watch Three Israeli behind kissers. Hamas is not an army with soldiers You're not in a war with another side You are just killing women and children Benjamin netanyahu said that's what he wanted to do he supported Hamas for the last 10 years just for this reason

[@mosesking2923]

If Hamas isn’t an army, how did they manage to slaughter 1600 innocent Jews last year? If the Palestinians don’t want to get murdered, they shouldn’t vote for terrorist leaders.

[@sam4soph1]

Facts.

[@tarakvaakil8553]

Ham-ass had majoritian support and civilians who even worked, were friends with Israeli took part in the massacre... So here is the condition that would stop Ham-ass, just ask to fight like men and not hide behind women and children,

[@mitchcowan1446]

Can't handle actual truth apparently. Doesn't fit your fabricated narrative so maybe throw a tantrum and try to stop traffic, see if that works. Won't change the facts but maybe your need to be heard will help you cope.

[@Uiiiiuybn]

Read the Guardian! Avoid US (Israeli) media at all costs!

[@monicacarriedo6067]

Man up, Bill - invite Chris Hedge’s or Noam Chomsky and let viewers get a more complete picture. Norm Finklestein’s been dying to debate you as well.

[@shelbzillathrilla]

Hard to debate the efficacy of violent conquest when honest people speak in stark terms.

[@michaelroberts1120]

That is exactly why I say his show is just an echo chamber now...... He's just preaching to the choir!

[@RobertSmith-lg7jp]

That aint happening in the echo chamber.

[@johnjames502]

Noam "college campuses are filled with and controlled by right wingers" chomsky? He literally might be the dumbest man in the west.

[@elijaheskin1]

Watching Norman Finkelstine in a debate is like watching a psychopath in interrogation

[@trueknight19]

I think you guys is title is wrong. It should be titled Hamas can't win.

[@YenzGyvo]

*This is the first time I agree with Douglas*

[@amayanut]

Why can’t I want the return of the hostages, AND not want 10s of thousands of innocent humans to die trying to free the hostages? How can they not be more tactical? And how is this view antisemitism? I would feel this way regardless of the people involved. No one deserves to be held hostage. No innocent people deserve to die, suffer, or starve.

[@desviro-besouros]

You are absolutely right.

[@amayanut]

Hey, thanks. That’s nice to hear.

[@discussioncorner]

A few things here, Hamas has a history of using citizens as meat shields so there's that point. Secondly more tactical, what exactly are you expecting on that front? A few things to note, whether you agree with the statement or not, Israel views oct 7 as their 9/11. Which as we can see from america's reaction to 9/11 is a huge major emotionally motivating factor. Secondly Hamas started this war and it is essentially seen by Israel as ''if we don't get rid of hamas now they will do it again'' Lastly Over the years, many countries who initially criticized the actions of Israel , later agreed with them. Notably, operation opera in destroying Hussein's nuclear plant that was going to be used to destroy Israel.

[@amayanut]

@@discussioncorner ok chatGPT

[@melange78]

If you read up on urban warfare you will understand more. Just sitting and saying that Israel should be more tactical when they are conducting the most tactical war in human history is silly.

[@JB-pl1iu]

Watching Gen Z become a mouthpiece for Hamas wasn't on my bingo card.

[@barakmizrachi7442]

It was on mine, “gays for palestine” comes to mind

[@human8807]

Start by implementing international Law. Israel can start by implementing international law, withdraw from 67 borders and return of Palestinean refugees. After that, they can get the same support as Ukraine or even more.

[@yanivnevechen]

Perfectly put

[@matthewdsouza8891]

Such a disengenous point. If Ukraine were bombing and killing thousands of civilians and the war was being driven on by a leader that was motivated to avoid facing the music on his election and trial would we really be egging them on?

[@pcbacklash_3261]

I think there are multiple facets to this one-sided view of Israel, at least among a significant portion of the world: First, there is the vast power differential. When one side of a conflict has an enormous military advantage -- regardless of who's right and wrong -- it's human nature to root for the 'underdog.' Second, there is most definitely anti-Semitism involved, not only for racial reasons but for cultural and religious reasons as well (especially among Israel's predominantly Muslim neighbors). Third, there are those among Progressives whose entire geopolitical outlooks are shaped by the likes of Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn. They reflexively oppose ANYONE who the United States government supports, ESPECIALLY if it's militarily. Fourth, Hamas' "human shield" strategy has proven VERY effective. But intermingling and integrating themselves deeply among the Palestinian populace, they make civilian casualties inevitable, making any Israeli military response a public relations disaster.

[@giltuito1545]

spot on.

[@weezadam]

I find it hilarious that Israel supposedly has one of the most impressive militaries in the world but yet they still rely on the U.S. for financial and weapons support. If they don't need the U.S. to help defend themselves against Hamas (which they failed to do on October 7th), then why publicly denounce Biden's policy this week?

[@seekexplorewander]

Good points - and I'd like to add a few more. Part of the problem is that for the past forty years, more and more institutions of higher education have been inseminating people who lean left into seeing the world through one lens only - the oppressed and the oppressor. They strip down the complexity of issues, they bleach out history and the bad things one side does so that a single-sided narrative can be presented. Second, both sides of the political spectrum in many "Western" countries, though there's now backlash in certain countries of Europe, many of which have seen an influx of migrants from Islamic countries, have strayed away from holding Western muslims accountable for the fact that many, not all, of the countries their parents or grandparents came from are oppressor states with no freedom, no rights, no tolerance. Which of course, only plays into the narrative that many left-leaning people are taught in college. I mean, even most Republican politicians in America won't talk openly about the oppressive nature of many, again not all, Islamic countries for fear of losing votes from moderates and center-left Democrats who might have absorbed some of that oppressor/oppressed narrative. Another part of the problem, and it add itself to the intertwined issues I just noted - is that the countries of the Middle East stopped ganging up and attacking Israel jointly. I think if Syria or Egypt or Lebanon had joined in after October 7th and it was a wider, regional conflict, you wouldn't see as much backlash against Israel. Oh, there would still be some, but if you look at press coverage and polling data from the wars from 47 to 73, there was way more support for Israel than today because they were the underdog. But each of its neighbors learned that Israel would and could defend itself so it's been over 40 years now since a major war between Israel and one of its neighbors. And...if you look....countries doing better today than 40 years ago in that region - Jordan, Egypt, and even the UAE (which I can't recall if they participated in any of the post WW2 conflicts) all focused on developing their economies as best as they could and trying to establish more moderate religious beliefs across the country where as places that played the victim card - Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen, etc. had their economies and then their governments collapse to the point where they are now failed states filled with religious zealots who's anger and resentment at being left behind by the world is pointed towards Israel and America by their religious leaders who use faith as a weapon and as a tool to stay in power.

[@cgroom23]

I stopped reading your essay after your first point. It's not human nature to root for the underdog. Many don't because they root for winners. #2 - If the underdog is a terrorist using terrorist tactics most people don't root for cheats such as those deployed by Hamas. #3 Rooting interests are usually more biased than those with greater and more in-depth political understanding.

[@shelbzillathrilla]

The main problem is that Israel is violently conquering other people’s land while violently displacing millions and millions of people. This is extremely bad, evil, dangerous behaviour. Its too late in history for this shit.

[@jacobprice2579]

I disagree with Douglas on a lot, but he’s spot on here.

[@marmac7619]

I would call the IDF response to Oct. 7 - the Uvalde Response.

[@stephenanderson1594]

Like 9/11, Netanyahu knew they were coming. Why the media won't show the protest against Netanyahu? Many Israelis disapprove of the conservative government of who has been very anti-Arab and anti-black towards minorities in Israel and many Israelis disapprove of continued Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the over Apartheid style system in how Palestinians are treated which angers people and make them vulnerable to extremist recruitment.

[@enrman]

I get why the US is with Israel, our only friend in that area, but to say " Israel is not allowed to win"... I guess somebody shall tell the Palestinians they are winning. I talked to friends from both sides of this war, one argument from a Palestinian guy who escaped to Canada said: Israel controls all the borders, controls the water, food, medicine, and gas supplies, controls the air space, controls the communication channels, they even control the sewer! so what do you expect??. Kind of a different perspective when you listen to the side that is trapped. I am not in favor of Hamas or terrorism, not saying who is right or wrong, just a point of view from the other side.

[@geelangfordo3272]

That's just a falsehood. Saudi Arabia UAE Egypt ect are US allies. The real reason the US does Israel's bidding is Zionists make up a huge share of the uber rich and they use that money to buy off politicians. If these people actually cared about Israeli civilians they would push for a peace deal that would prevent another Oct 7.

[@Hummingbird_Singer]

They HAVE to supply all of this because while TRILLIONS poured into Gaza from all over the world, the Gazan govt decided to build bombs and terror tunnels, meanwhile their leaders bought luxury estates in other lnds. Their lack of basic infrastructure isnt Israels fault, rather they would literally have not even the basics if it weren’t for Israel. Egypt backed out from that mess long ago.

[@meganfrechette613]

If Israel controls so much, then how and why did they allow 300 miles of tunnels to be built under Gaza? You want to know who else has a border on Gaza, Egypt and they don’t want the Palestinians! Same with the West Bank and Jordan! Palestinians aren’t even a people, they are Jordanian or Egyptian Arabs!

[@jonathanmaister2153]

With all the $$$ sent to Gaza they should be self sufficient, was all stolen by theirleaders. Yes, Israel was supplying so much of that FREE! Supposedly paid for by taxes raised for the Palestinian authority. Giving you context.

[@GoodStuff1992]

if you gave me 4 billion a year without any pre conditions, id tell you Im a friend to the end.

[@judyhansel8000]

Only saw part of Real Time: 1/2 hour was missing on HBO. What happened?

[@michaelcollazo7911]

Pro palestine mobs put him on their blacklist.

[@MeMikeD]

TPTB don't want wars to end, they want them to go on forever. They make more money that way.

[@alibrowne6374]

Douglas is always right. He just is.

[@imakki4147]

In his own mind and yours.

[@sarahofer4368]

It's 8 a.m. Saturday, 11th of May. The skies are dark with smoke from the fires that Hizballah ignited along the northern border of Israel with Lebanon. The Hizballah rockets have been incinerating the homes, villages and fields of the Upper Galilee. The smell of smoke is heavy, so I've closed all the windows; hope that helps. Tomorrow there may be rain, if we're lucky. My home is a couple of hours away by car...I pray for the IDF soldiers who are giving their all to defend us. Keep them safe.

[@evelynzeda1974]

“There’s no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.” Praying for Palestinians and Israelis.

[@deewatt]

Gaslight much

[@jamesg7016]

"Suffering" in a war zone, but watching KZbin videos? Lady, your war experience is not the same as those being murdered in Gaza today. It's funny that Bill's guests talk about the protestors pretending to be victims---um, victimhood is what drives israeli policy.

[@carlam1355]

So sorry for what you are going through 😢

[@fz7694]

​@@carlam1355I'm being fired at by IDF. They've already killed my whole family. Do you feel sorry for me as well or just those similar to you?

[@atlehman69]

Their conjecture over the reasons behind the worlds criticism of Israel was some of the most bad faith BS I've ever witnessed.

[@jlev1028]

But it's true. No one has demanded that Iran stop backing terrorists or called on Hamas to give up every hostage. Why is Israel always the first country to blame?

[@slipstreammonkey]

@@jlev1028 We obviously apply different standards and pressures for countries we align with. If our allies ghosted us like our enemies then that's a problem. Whataboutism is what the show and you are spouting, and its an unbalanced idea. Like if you blame people who march for cancer, why don't they ever speak up about birth defects of children. It's a deflection at best.

[@atlehman69]

@@jlev1028 Do we give Iran endless weapons? Do we call Iran our ally? No, we sanction them ruthlessly, including life saving medicine (in violation of international law) take out their top general (Solomoni), and fight nearly all their proxies on the battlefield. And the west doesn't make a peep because they agree with this We make a peep about Israel because we support them no matter what they do, no matter how egregious their crimes. We as citizens directly aid Israel with our labor. Humus has agreed to release all the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire and Israel said no! Stop giving me that BS. You are as bad faith as the ppl I was referring to in my OP.

[@ofrikalif4938]

@@atlehman69 Hamas agreed to a ceasefire but said that it would keep attacking Israel untill there is no more Israel. this is not a real ceasefire but an attempt to regroup so they can launch more attacks like the have done. there is realy no point of having a ceasefire when one side clearly says that it will keep on attacking the other side.

[@atlehman69]

@@ofrikalif4938 And one side holds the other in an open air prison

[@TheNextCubed]

I think the Saudis are already very keen on the gays. That's why they have very very private gardens with high walls.

[@alnewform]

It would be legitimate to call it war if Israel admitted Palestine as an independent state. Because war is a state of relationships between countries. So far, Gaza is an unregulated enclave that they've been slowboiling and missed the pressure hike.

[@mpslegalcom7697]

Historical amnesia is widespread and contagious. Hitler once stated that Kemal AtaTurk was his "greatest teacher". Apparently, with the recent October 7th Iran/Qatar/Turkey well-planned genocide of Israelis, to start the War & thus stop the Asia-Med connector, and an additional 150,000 Armenians suffering Amernia's 2nd Genocide by Azerbaijan's (the proxy of Islamofascist Turkey) nothing appears to happen to awaken the "woke". The Int'l Criminal Court president Luis Amaro Ocampo said in Politico today that the officially-genocidal country should be prosecuted. EU's deaf ears remain deaf and conducts its gas/oil business as usual with Azeri oligarchs! As if the world hasn't learned anything about genocides from WWII!

[@kizgintosbaga]

what are you talking about ?

[@shanedwood]

If you were in denial, everything will be confusing

[@jonRboy]

It's interesting how Murray is so vigilant calling out anti-Semitism with regards to the Middle East and this war. Yet I'm pretty sure he'll be obtuse about anti-Semitism when anti-Semitism on the Right fringes of Trump's base is brought to his attention. He'll then more than likely try to call out 'the other side' and somehow make some lame attempt at false equivalency. He kind of did something like this generally when Trump was being discussed towards the end of the panel discussion. He somehow thinks that there is always symmetry or that is has to exist rather than looking at what is going on and accepting obvious asymmetry.

[@thomasjohansson5045]

He is a bigot who would have guarded the Jews in German concentration camps if being a German during WW II.

[@westcoast_canuck1926]

More DM

[@brentbigford7307]

Maybe the Israeli government shouldn’t have had a plan to prop up the more extreme Hamas over the more moderate PLO.

[@Arcananine77]

Read up on the events of Black September before you start running your mouth about how "moderate" the PLO is.

[@brentbigford7307]

@@Arcananine77 oh and GFY

[@user-jw8pw4ht8y]

​@@Arcananine77At least they did not shoot children in the knee caps for target practice and steal their homes. Maybe you should stop running your mouth off and watch the real news. Maybe you tik tok or Al Jazeera? Oh no. They have banned them too fpr speaking and showing true facts. EDUCATE YOURSELF

[@supernotnatural]

@@Arcananine77 You can find Israel commanders about how they feed Hamas at first place lol

[@karatekid7640]

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza and most Palestinians celebrated the 7th October attack, if that's not a war between two states i don't know what war is... Mmuslim as far as Pakistan and Bangladesh openly celebrated 7th October on streets, drunk on their power over killing Jews just like they have killed every other non-muslim in their country and yet they pretend to be victims of Islamophobia when they gave retaliation...

[@user-sp9bk5fv4p]

Douglas Murray was a great addition to the show last night. Great perspective

[@johnathanh2660]

Putin ordered his forces to invade Ukraine. The I/P conflict predated the Oct 7th attacks. As for the 'Israel cannot win' narrative and the 'you cannot put out 80% of a fire', it's because you cannot use the military to defeat an ideology. See the British experience in Northern Island. Or Kenya. Or Malaya. But as a starting pointing there's Gaza which has been described as the world's largest open-air prison, and Israel have repeatedly allowed their settlers to 'abuse' and confiscate property from Palestinians on the West Bank. So perhaps comparing a hot war against the Red Army, on Ukrainian soil, on the edge Europe with the I/P conflict is particularly jaw-dropping.

[@andygross6634]

The largest open air prison with a Mercedes dealership and beachfront mansions.

[@ofrikalif4938]

the only "open air prison" where people crossed the border to Israel every day to work and recieve medical care in Israeli hospital. why Egypt is barely being mentioned each time that this thing comes up I will never understand

[@johnathanh2660]

@@andygross6634 OK. And how is access gained to this 'territory'?

[@johnathanh2660]

@ofrikalif4938 'Why is Egypt barely being mentioned...' Why? What has Egypt got to do with this? Or are you expecting Palestinians to be driven into Egypt? And as for 'medical attention' that's laughable, with men, women and children undergoing traumatic amputations without anaesthesia.

[@ofrikalif4938]

@@johnathanh2660 before the war started, Israel gave Gazan people jobs in Israel and allowed them in for medical treatment, alongside with providing the Gaza strip with water and electricity because their gov was busy on spending money on other things (rockets, tunnels etc). then the war started and the rest is known. Israel is allways being blamed for making Gaza "an open air prison". however no one is willing to talk about Egypt, which has a border with Gaza as well and as it looks like, the Egyptians are more terrified about Gaza and Hamas than Israel does because they know their mentality however nobody is accusing Egypt of making Gaza an air open prison despite having a border with Gaza, just like Israel has.

[@noelmatherson8079]

So who exactly is winning if Israel is allowed to win?

[@serrael-182]

They cant win cuz only if the gaza people and in the west bank agree to a two state solution and want to make peace than this sh*** will be solved. The next conflict i fear will be worse than this but its not my fault...

[@anderandersson5229]

Why the F arent America in the Eurovision song contest?? Next year then.. I wanna see a contribution from Gaza aswell

[@songofthefierce9647]

America? In EUROvision? Bro, what?

[@anderandersson5229]

@@songofthefierce9647 yeah! Why not? I think country music would do fine in ESC

[@songofthefierce9647]

@@anderandersson5229 ... It's for European countries. That's the Euro in Eurovision.

[@codysparks1454]

@@songofthefierce9647then how come Israel is allowed to participate in it?

[@pxr0583]

@@codysparks1454 The fact that a country further away from Europe than Lebanon is IN Eurovision is very revealing.

[@ddevilisinthedetails]

is chosen people an identity? the supposed idea of identity politics is to not be denied rights. Be it religious practice or people expressing their grievances. the ultimate guarantor is the unanimous emancipation of the individual. What, other than interference or influence, would you call having foreign & domestic collaboration to deny those rights?

[@davidfowles]

How disingenuous can you be making a direct comparison between Ukraine being invaded and occupied by Russia, a vastly superior force, and Gaza being levelled for months by Israel, a vastly superior force? These conflicts are not remotely similar and your lies transparent.

[@ianw0ng]

exactly.

[@mitchcowan1446]

Stop your pearl clutching. It's about selective outrage. These commentators are spot on and you need an education in actual history, not in catchy slogans to beat the drum against.

[@nicosuave9]

Hamas is funded by Iran. The Hamas leaders are billionaires. They're not a cute rag tag group of rebels. They're an extension of Iran's Islamic Republic. ALSO--- Hamas started this war, intentionally, with a campaign of brutal atrocities on civilians. They were not occupied. There was no "brutal siege"-- they have a border with Egypt. They had no justification for it. They started this war so that they could sacrifice martyrs and make a big spectacle out of it, to turn the world against Israel.

[@ianw0ng]

​@@mitchcowan1446 does it occur to you the protesters might do more research into the current situation than these armchair biased commentators?

[@nomoresunforever3695]

Why does it matter who is superior? It's about who is moral. Not who is stronger.

[@yossarian67]

Here’s the difference: Palestine doesn’t have any type of organized military force. So it’s Israel with one of the most advanced military capabilities against people living in utter squalor. How you could compare that to Ukraine fighting Russia is absurd.

[@helman-tov]

Hamas IS an organized military force. You are correct that it's much weaker than the IDF, and that it is a big difference from the Ukraine-Russia war; but power imbalance is not the only thing that matters. There is also the question of who is the initiator: which side is responsible for starting the current war, and, much more importantly, which side, if they win the current war, will continue to start wars until they are stopped. Russia is clearly a war initiator, Ukraine is clearly not. Hamas is clearly a war initiator (if someone claims otherwise, they are either ignorant or lacking intellectual integrity), and I would say that Israel is not (but I do recognize that some would disagree on this part, and it is debatable).

[@msolomonii9825]

Truth!, good to see someone speaking some sane rational TRUTH!

[@artgurrl]

@@helman-tov You're wrong about Ukraine not being the war initiator along with the west. But you are correct about Hamas being the war initiator.

[@kagyu1]

That also ignores the history and strategy of the Arabs now called Palestinians.

[@SEAZNDragon]

@@helman-tov Something tells me a lot of goodwill for Gaza will probably go out the window when Hamas does something that reminds everyone they are a terror group and can't run a country beyond giving out UN aid.

[@LIKEFUNK]

I totally agree with Freeing the 16% of Palestinians in Gaza, -who had the obvious good sense not to vote for Hamas just prior to the attack on Oct 7

[@batmanRBC]

How did you come up with that number when half their population is children who weren’t alive in 2006?

[@stellag4042]

Douglas is amazing, brave, intelligent and honest journalist and writer, i felt in love with him after his book strange death to Europe

[@codysparks1454]

Same. After that book there was no going back for me

[@Sunshine-un5ww]

My opinion has completely changed on Israel after all this. October 7 was horrific . The blind nationalistic fever that has gripped the media, politicians willingness for the public to overlook the killings in the west bank and apathy to ethnic cleaning and dying of People in Gaza is really shocking to me. They have a right to live in peace and dignity just like Israelis. Even the comments here about them is reflective of that. The right wing government of Israel cares nothing for the people of Gaza or the hostages just some dream of ethnic cleansing. We need to walk away from supporting Israel with weapons and military until they get rid of this current government and come to their senses about the consequences of all this and pull settlers out the west bank. The scenes on the evening news are horrific.

[@Arcananine77]

Tell me, are you equally outraged about the war in Yemen waged by Saudi Arabia that the US (has) assisted for almost a decade?

[@Sunshine-un5ww]

@@Arcananine77 see, that’s exactly what your doing. Deflecting doesn’t change this inhumane war. We as Americans are funding this war directly and it needs to stop. Its. Barbarism.

[@JenM.5387]

My opinion completely changed after Oct 7, when I realized the pro-Palestine movement was a sham. You have no interest in democracy or civil rights, and certainly no interest in the lives of Israeli Jews who would be exterminated if Hamas won the war. You want yet another Arab-Muslim dictatorship in the Middle East, with no rights for women, LGBTQ people, or religious minorities. Shame on you.

[@charlesmartel6108]

What happened to Douglas Murray, he was so based, now he is bending his knees to "the Tribe".

[@Maryreal1]

He got a huge cheque from Israel 🇮🇱

[@seamusoleary3712]

Taking the side of the oppressor... that's all this is...

[@robin1987100]

whole episode is hbo only?

[@brandoncaudill6864]

It'll rebroadcast on CNN Saturday evening.

[@user-fh8wt9ub2f]

Read your book Amazing! "The War on the West."

[@gdiwolverinemale4th]

It is fought from within.... hence this presentation is part of it

[@blackout07blue]

@@gdiwolverinemale4th he’s known as an absolute propagandist.

[@verajaynepalmer]

​@@blackout07blue what's wrong? Why are you crying so hard?

[@mourlyvold64]

@@blackout07blue Really, and what are you "known as" ? "A propagandist" is what everybody calls everybody these days, it doesn't mean anything. Never mind the puppets, don't waste your time and just address the presented issues.

[@lawrencekagan8688]

White supremacist nonsense is amazing?

[@weezadam]

One of the most one-sided debates on this show I've ever seen. Murray wasn't particularly insightful and Bruni and Maher egged him on. To Murray's point about a college student on the corner of a campus hollering to the IDF...did the President this past week not give a speech to withhold weapons to Israel? Can't imagine what kind of pressure that was building over the last few weeks to prompt the President to do that...

[@BabyGirlDontEvenPlay]

Election season and cowardice. That's all it is.

[@victorblock3421]

FJB

[@cyranodaburgerack8745]

Also, they noted the contradiction in the US selling Israel weapons and asking them to stop fighting. But not the contradiction in the US selling weapons and also doing aid drops.

[@Myopicor]

NYTimes reporting that US Intelligence says that the mastermind of Oct. 7 is not in Rafah but in the tunnels in Khan Younis,, That being said Israel must go into Rafh

[@mostsacredstories]

The reason the Israelis aren't allowed to win is because of the way the region was annexed. There was no "war", the superpowers of the day just annexed the region while mostly ignoring the local population that was there. I'm not saying there's an easy answer to the problem but it helps to actually look at what created the problem in the first place.

[@dmac4386]

30k Ukrainian civilian casualties in 2 years. 34k civilian casualties in Gaza in just under 7 months.

[@mondebella1347]

But most people were for Israel after the attack. They didn't not instantly turn against Israel. But as most life of Palestinian are lost not humas people gradually turn against them. It changed from war with hamas to war with innocent people of Palestine. As much as America killed a lot of people while searching for Isis but it felt like American were investing on intelligent to pin them down. While Isreal practicing it more in a genocide manner to Palestinians.

[@JenM.5387]

DSA fools were in the streets on Oct 8 praising Hamas and saying "resistance is justified".

[@josephwurm1453]

Does Bill Maher ever engage with competent people who disagree with his positions, or is he just that much of a coward?

[@1Source]

How do you forgive the murderer of your family?

[@user-gg5cf8sj9w]

I love these one sided panels. This was more of a bromance than anything of substance. What does it say about college graduates? Didn't they learn anything

[@lorenzosegote]

The entire panel made me sick to my stomach. Gaslighting

[@damovandG]

I’m not sure what your point is, but I know for sure the students were being actively brainwashed for decades. I know that from personal experience. And the Americans, both Jewish and Christians didn’t notice it until now. When the hezbolah and the regime in Iran called for resistance, none of us realized who they were calling to action! Unfortunately we now know!

[@anthonystagliano9795]

Maher is definitely losing his luster AFAIC

[@John-bravooo]

​@lorenzosegote what's gaslighting? Oh im sorry were you offended when the world confronted ISIS? Hamas still fires rockets at Israel. Americans do not have the pain tolerance Israelis do.

[@John-bravooo]

​@@anthonystagliano9795yeah not joining the pro-hamas mob is losing luster

[@michaelloong964]

There is a Chinese saying about the relationship between Israel and the US. 同床异梦。Sleeping together but each has different dream.Or the US has got the wrong sleeping partner.

[@joegaskins7950]

That's a really good way of summarising my thoughts on the matter. Seems like Israel likes to pull on its leash from time to time.

[@blackvirus9]

There is a big difference between Ukraine and Israel war, Ukraine was invaded by Russia; in regards to Israel they have been ocuppying palestinian land for decades and they don't have the same rights as israeli jews, the list is very long in regards to palestinians been treated like subhumans,plus Hamas was helped by the Likud party to prosper and grow in Gaza, so please do not compare the 2 wars because there is nothing to compare.

[@antoineroccamora]

Big mistake making Shorts of major issues. I get it: perputal media warfare, money, clicks etc. We’re trapped..but at least make an effort!!

[@milesbecky1]

He downplayed starvation in Gaza. I lost him there.

[@monkeybusinessasusuall5467]

You downplay the evil of Hamas.

[@tipsyt1909]

Have you been there? He has multiple times in the past few months

[@StillAliveAndKicking_]

@@monkeybusinessasusuall5467Israel uses the evil of Hamas to allow them to do almost anything.

[@TheNivKo]

Starvation in Gaza, because all the humanitarian aid goes to the terrorists while their population is starving. But of course that's the Jews' fault too

[@loki_808]

He's downplayed nothing, if Gazans were starving as much as their propaganda said they were there would be literally no one left alive. 4 months of apparently no food, no water, no gas, no aid, and yet Palestinian journalists and influencers looks exactly the same making daily videos on their iPhones.

[@CMontgomeryBurns09]

The civilian death rate is also way, *way* higher from the Israeli military compared to the Russians in the Ukraine.

[@richardhausig9493]

A year ago Bill and Douglas would have been considered strange bedfellows. Not anymore. And it's a good thing

[@shlomtzi84]

Antisemitism isnt just hate, is obsession "

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

And in terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict "anti-semitism" does not apply, because ethnically (most) Israelis and Palestinians are both Semites.

[@shlomtzi84]

@@einundsiebenziger5488 The Nazis and the arabs of Israel collaborated in the 1940s

[@dr.g3860]

@@einundsiebenziger5488​​⁠​​That term is often misunderstood. The word ⁠"semitism" is (or was until recently) an exclusively linguistic term for a family of languages that includes both Arabic and Hebrew. The fact is that "anti-semitism" is an unfortunate and ill-conceived euphemism for the original term _Judenhass_ (Jew hatred) popularized by Wilhelm Marr in the 1870s for the name of his organization, "Antisemiten-Liga" (league of antisemites). It means opposition to Jews as a people and had a racial connotation that was appealing to Germans after Darwin's Origin of Species became popularized and vulgarized. Now there's a new euphemism, but the referent always remains the same.

[@JL-rv9lm]

The two guests have somewhat different political views but are in total agreement about the naive, easily led college students and their non student handlers. “ If I yell loud enough, my pathetic, participation trophy life will have meaning.”

[@adamdelmonteguitarist]

Douglas Murray always finds the perfect combination of words to distill and make sense of a large and complicated situation. Hit the nail on the head on this one as usual.

[@albertyracheta8269]

Why is Simon Cowell saying the same thing Hitler said

[@crozon3]

Why is it that people suddenly become 4 years old when discussing complicated global issues like this? Maybe there was a time when one group truly held the moral high ground. But both sides have killed children. And they’ve been doing it for decades. Let’s leave “morality” out of this. Both sides will have you believe that are the victim while the other is the aggressor. But they are all of those things at all times. You have to ask yourself whether you want to deal with a state that commits war crimes and shows up to their trial or a state that just commits war crimes. That’s the options we’ve got if you stop infantilizing your favorite side and see things for what they are.

[@user-mu1vo2ys3x]

Israel showed up yes But completely ignored the interim measures advocated by the ICJ.. Then proceeded to falsely accuse and vilify UN (of which ICJ is a part) and UNRWA No- Israel is far far far worse than the “other” side

[@kizgintosbaga]

yes. european clonisers coming to ME and saying they are entitled to some land and then ethnically cleansing people.

[@dcs4947]

Strange that in the statement he made he correctly identified that people were celebrating when Ukraine was taking BACK IS TERRITORY, but not celebrating when Israel was TAKING PALESTINIAN TERRITORY. Yes, Douglas, quite strange the discrepancy 🧐 Douglas sole claim to be smart is that he has an English accent.

[@nrdify]

Nobody is complaining that Israel is "winning" the war against Hamas. People are complaining that thousands of women and children are being massacred.

[@themeowzers93]

Yes, as someone who loves Israel and Jews, I think the current government of Israel is failing its task, in fact, Israelis have been protesting intensely and many aren't happy with what Benyamin has been doing.

[@joearoza]

That's how war works buddy

[@holemogaming8677]

everyone talks about the people being killed in gaza, but Don't forget the people who are being killed in israel as we speak. just think about that bud.

[@painpapadopoulos8120]

Sorry, but do you really think Israel cares about the opinion of people who want the country to be destroyed? These people that screaming about Massacre where the same who didn't care or celebrated the rape, abduction and murder of israeli civilians. They are the people that deny what happened at october 7th.

[@emma2370]

What about all of the hostages? Are they not innocent civilians too?

[@sempersodalis6093]

This conflict will not end as long as the world supports one side or the other. Any movement for peace of reconciliation in the ME has been stifled. I do remember groups for peace in Israel but they were neven given much attention by the media and now we don’t know if they still exist.

[@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP]

they regularly snitch on the settlers (their fellow Jews) to FJB admin so the americans have someone to sanction one red pilled peace activist is Einat Wilf, look up her

[@rainegoldberg9376]

I love Douglas Murry 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️

[@robertk2007]

Murray is insightful and correct

[@joaopedro-ue3xx]

So two jews agree israel is totally defending itself and didnt start this by being unilaterally declared in someone else's land.

[@bethanndavis115]

Israelis aren't in someone else's land.

[@CyndeLooWho]

Douglas is such a gift!!

[@grejen711]

Well... In Ukraine.. Winning means getting your internationally recognized property back. For Israel, winning seems to mean either killing an idea or vengeance. How else do we accept a casualty count of 10-1 in their favour. One thing if your smashing tanks at a rate of 10 of theirs to one of yours. Quite another when you're smashing people at that rate and most of them are non-combatant. It's just not as simple as Israel's apologists make it out to be. He IS right about who started this particular war.

[@mehroozzamanzadeh7695]

It's quite apparent that your guests are selected because they share your biased views on Palestaninas , which suggests a reluctance on your part to invite knowledgeable experts who can bring meaningful, interesting and insightful discussions, on the Gaza war and student movement, like Mehdi Hassan, Norman Finkelstein, or even Jon Stewart. Why not introduce some meaning full discussions, critical thinking and diversity into your show? Many viewers clearly perceive this lack of diversity in your guest lineup. Not good Bill!

[@bridgetyoung6434]

These are House jews. They don’t represent the jewish people.They are a huge embarrassment.

[@joeybourke07]

💯

[@krrishkrrishna7735]

Well, after Piers gets roasted in reality on views above his colonial mindset, he needs oafs like the wannabe aristocrat Douglas Murray to felate his beliefs.

[@wasabiflavoredcocaine]

Who cares about your Lost Cause

[@scray00]

Why give them the air time. There have been many channels that have done this and all they say is they want all jws unalive and no Israel. So what’s the point

[@ericjames4887]

Ask yourselves, if Israel is saying “you must release all hostages” and at the same time saying “releasing the hostages won’t stop us from hunting you down”…WHY WOULD THEY RELEASE THE HOSTAGES??? 🙄

[@dragonflybookworks]

There can be no honest discussion of this without considering Netanyahu's own political and legal position- he is only in power so long as he satisfies the far-right coalition that put him in power, and if the war ends, Netanyahu will be directly in court for the criminal prosecution that was already set to begin before the war started, for corruption. Stop talking about "Israel" and start talking about the specific people and policies driving the war- they want us to think Netanyahu speaks for Israel. He doesn't. Most Israelis want him gone....

[@lightingflow4203]

So anything before oct 7 doesn't count?

[@joshoohah]

Bill Maher is a whimp who never has people who push back

[@daoud1608]

There are literally rules for war and if you break them you are considered a war criminal.

[@loudmouthdiaries5188]

That's the issue, doss rules apply to hamas? It is like the gun debate you can take away the guns from citizens but it doesn't stop criminal from having them. Criminals don't obey, when civilian retaliate they are war criminals

[@miloatlantis2549]

only if you lose

[@mariarohmer2374]

Uh huh and then what happens? Nothing.

[@daoud1608]

The rules apply to all. We sanction and punish countries that don’t obey the rules. Usually only black and brown countries but nonetheless there are “laws” governing these conflicts.

[@jakeharrington7831]

Saying there are rules in war is like saying to a bully don’t hit me and the bully says back or what because war doesn’t have rules just like how bullies don’t care about the people they bully unless there is a true deterrent against them which doesn’t because it’s never been used and that would be nuclear weapons 🙂