IWD dies laughing at DoubleLift take on LCS DRAMA

[@fateadvicus6188]

Doublelift so stunlocked by the fact all the players showed up at the LCSPA meeting that he had to vote yes for the memes.

[@dizzlx4662]

yep

[@kidbonkerz2683]

uH U8⁹​@@dizzlx4662 0

[@kurniaramadhan7630]

Yep conformity at its finest

[@Fableruin]

@@kurniaramadhan7630 if you watched the whole video he says that the bullet points listed were not what they voted on they voted on sometheing else and that was the result that he had no hand in thats not reallt his fault conformity would be if he didnt tell anyone he disagreed but as soon as he saw it wasnt what he thought he very publicly came outto disagree.

[@zerovampirex85]

@@Fableruinthere’s no way they were not read the demands that they will turn in to riot

[@kaiserofkush]

"You know whats a good motivator? Fear of homelessness" Dom speaking to all the OG league fans who are now in our 20s and 30s lmaooo

[@peterino6370]

LCS peaked when all players are high school dropped out and had to fight their parents to play in LCS😢

[@zennihilator3724]

You know what solves homelessness? Getting a real job, like 99.9% of people who can't afford to pretend ''im gonna go pro one day broo"...

[@jimb0072]

​@@peterino6370 yes theres no desperation no passion no want you make fkijg tier 2 and your set hmjust chill playing league make ez money thyere has to be less money in na so we get tru great laywrs

[@miles12pega]

Facts! I always immediately think of Zorozero

[@JohnDoe-vc5qb]

@@peterino6370they still are high school dropouts tho don’t worry. Apart from guys like Dom and Revenge almost none of them even got into good Universities.

[@brennanalleyne8895]

“I hope the negotiations go well” he says as he publicly shoots them in the head

[@johnnyvansguard869]

He is literally standing behind them while having a gun pointing straight at the back of their heads waiting to pull the trigger if it don’t benefit him 😂

[@jaredswift]

The thing people are missing is that an actual season walkout would just kill the LCS, put many of the orgs in serious financial problems, and deny all of the players and coaches and analysts half a year of pay. It's a death sentence.

[@BlakeWR81]

​@@jaredswift Well, they better figure out how to appease the players then.

[@colesmith193]

“I hope the negotiations go well”. After he destroys any possible leverage they had 😂. Too funny

[@nickpy7169]

I could not stop laughing at that outro Dom, well played 😂😂😂

[@TrainUrBrain3]

bro the outro killed me xDDD

[@swingyouth2749]

The outro was so fucking funny

[@CVCandidaturas]

so good

[@BigBigBigJeff]

I love how much Dom enjoyed this 😂

[@ethanliu7644]

It's like that episode in The Office where Jan is trying to help Michael negotiate a raise but Michael is just trying his absolute best to sabotage himself like "but I can't ask for that much, you just said you couldn't give me that much"

[@caramelheaven]

except not at all cause doublelift is not negotiating for himself here, in fact where do you think the money they save from not running academy is gonna be going to hint: it's towards being able to keep paying huge salaries for big brand players like doublelift I'm not saying he's doing it maliciously or anything but he's just kinda not that smart xd

[@hugovalente8950]

@@caramelheaven im sure the example is referring to leverages and not knowing wtf they are. DL clearly doesn’t understand that

[@wedmunds]

The strikebreaker - mythic +100% gold income -90% reputation Active: defect - removes the “on strike” passive

[@joshuating2644]

18:19 "There are times when people win LCS... And they suck! Pyosik just won worlds!" lmao

[@xv_thedevil]

Wrong, the Korean TEAM Pyosik played with won worlds. You could convince Faker to play with an LCS team and they’d probably shit on every other team in NA, but when they made it to worlds they would lose because it would literally be a 1v9. Huni also played on T1 and when he came to NA he was ok, but the team he was on still sucked.

[@shemsuhor8763]

@@xv_thedevil CoreJJ won worlds, too. It's not an issue of individual player skill and it never has been. edit: hmm maybe I should qualify this. There might be a better average player in Korea, or the best player in the region is directly better than another region, but what I mean is that several of the teams and players NA has sent to worlds had the players to win (or players who are damn good or good enough) - they just never have the "team" as a whole, whether that's all 5 players on the same page, or the mentality, or the ambition - I don't really know. Competition is weird. Look at the NHL right now and you'll see two teams nobody would've felt good about betting the farm on a month ago competing for the final. Watching MSI for example was very interesting. Nearly all the NA teams jumped out to leads early in several games, and then pissed them away. And then their mental was completely broken and they'd get annihilated after that. They obviously do have the player skill to win games, but there's a secret sauce that's missing there. Whether it's WAY MORE PRACTICE or something - unsure. Very well could be. Being young and having a hundred thousand dollar paycheck in Los Angeles probably gets a person thinking a lot less about practice time and a lot more about... literally anything else.

[@ELTT1]

Drx won only because faker and Zeus inted game 5

[@jimai808]

​@@ELTT1 my man been watching too much nba lol

[@ELTT1]

@@jimai808 lol I bugged

[@jimb0072]

They shouldve allowed randos too play in the lcs man i have no doubt it would have been sone of the most entertaining stuff the lcs has produced

[@birdybirdytiger]

I remember Emiru put on a streamers tourny & that was the most fun i've had watching NA league since like 2015. So yeah let's just run a "how hard can my imports carry in bronze" split, at least it'll be a fun watch

[@tkraid2575]

I mean, Riot put out a statement that any team can hire randos for LCS Summer but the LCS player union told anyone trying to accept that offer to stfu. Man, the bronze shenanigans we missed. It would've been a lot entertaining.

[@jacob2808]

​@tkraid2575 I'm sure the bronzes would ignore the players association there

[@christophervillanueva9257]

For one night only, Dom and Piglet play on the same team. Seeing Piglet be passive aggressive while Dom malds will be something I'd pay to watch lol

[@Habeev07]

I wish it became high elo streamer league. LETS GET HASHINSHIN STYLING ON THESE NOOBS.

[@rockdalianninja1056]

A few real points they should fight for 1.players association always being at the table and represented in decisions 2. Salary cap, free agency, and contract locking(if they sign for 2 years they are paid for 2 years, this will stop contract jails, overpaying, and cutting players) 3. Rule set lock, riot cannot change rules midseason or in playoffs or when it suits them, hold the league to actual competitive integrity 4. Teams should be held accountable EG should not get away with what they did to Danny! Or any other instances especially when you punish Carlos

[@corbenmurphy1807]

I don't get how the PA dropped the bag with these demands. These guys had one opportunity to send a message and pissed away their opportunity to make a list of unrealistic demands.

[@juanaugustolopez8747]

By far 2. is the most important. It's like they can't face the fact they are being overpaid, and instead actually demanded for the opposite.

[@barnie321]

@@juanaugustolopez8747its illegal unless they are in a union so that will never happen

[@peacepham7838]

1 and 3 will NEVER happen. Riot is the TO, never a PA/union have a say in how TO work or how TO place rule. Either you out, or you play. PR image is the only thing that can affect TO decision. Don't even try, it never happen, not in future, not now, try tell football players to fight FIFA, see how they laugh.

[@armin6067]

4 actually reasonable demands vs whatever nonesense LCSPA came up with maybe they should hire the youtube commenters instead

[@maxchen9185]

20:30 that face lmao. Dom knows how to pause.

[@milesocon3756]

That outro made me want to give Dom a standing ovation. Shit was too good

[@powwowken2760]

I feel like people keep forgetting this but it was the Orgs who wanted to get rid of Academy in the first place Not Riot I feel like the players have no idea what they actually voted for in that meeting and like DL they just voted to walkout because "They don't want Academy to go away".

[@leeammagno2393]

I love how doublelift talked about optics and then proceeded to say that the demands from the lcspa were unreasonable and not the right way.

[@o0xTHEcoPlayerx0o]

LCS with teams of bronze-gold players and streaming both teams coms on DIFFERENT channels would definitely have more viewership than LCS.

[@MrPromech]

Btw let’s not forget that 5 years ago doublelift and bjerg were part of the PA and didn’t do anything when supposedly the orgs didn’t want to be part of academy anymore

[@gamer-ih7wo]

That was part of his point?

[@MrPromech]

@@gamer-ih7wo part of his point was that when it was his responsibility to go into negotiations with Riot to transition the academy system from being lcs org dependent to independent he sat on his hands? No it wasn’t, he didn’t even acknowledge that he was the vice president of the PA years ago. He’s now, after the fact and now that the responsibility falls on someone else, saying something should have been done earlier when HE was one of the people in the position that should have gotten it done.

[@gamer-ih7wo]

@@MrPromech No, he said that he didn't support the teams having to field an academy roster when they didn't actually use it for anything, a money sink. He spoke up this time because Riot has abandoned tier 2 league as they got rid of it while having no plans on how they could make a tier 2 league work.

[@MrPromech]

@@gamer-ih7wo Riot talked about their plan moving forward and indicated they would be supporting the academy scene, they just would discuss the details of it at a later time. Riot didn’t straight up say “academy is dead” and in fact there are teams RIGHT NOW that are in academy with rosters of players ready to play in academy whose season is delayed because of the players association. My point is the time of bringing that concern up was when it happened, which he agreed with. He just also omitted the part where it was actually his responsibility to be the one to bring it up at the time and didn’t.

[@gamer-ih7wo]

@@MrPromech I think that it's irresponsible that Riot pulled the tier 2 scene without having a clear plan going forward. Obviously, they can and probably will put forward a plan for tier 2 going forward. I just think it shows a lack of care on their part, insinuating that they don't care about tier 2. Your right that Peter should have said something. Maybe he did or didn't, who knows. I think that hindsight definitely helps identify the problem. Also after seeing that the PA didn't do their research when making their points. I wouldn't trust them to be competent.

[@1RubberDucky]

This is why people love DL. The man has no filter and no awareness.

[@BobJason1]

I think he has complete awareness, he just doesn’t mince words with all the bullshit.

[@RahulDevanarayanan]

@@BobJason1 he has no understanding of basic economics in sports/esports orgs despite having been in the scene for a decade. If he was self-aware, I think he'd have figured out basic things like Academy team and LCS incentives.

[@jasonnash4452]

​@bob jason no brain no bs. Not a good combo. He's confidently dumb as hell

[@stevenarvizu3602]

@@RahulDevanarayanan do you think you could share some of your basic understanding of economics and what the NACL should be doing to incentivize competitive integrity, and how it differs from DL’s statement?

[@solarivalkyrie9765]

@@stevenarvizu3602 Dom literally states a possible thing that could have happened at 5 minutes into this video. But obviously you didn't watch it. :)

[@ronweasley4096]

It is so funny, i was convinced i heard dl say he would stand by the academy players

[@KanbaruS4n]

And people flamed Thorin when he popped of on Aram when that guy said that all players are 100% behind this and altruistically in favor of all of these demands.

[@spncrgrn]

People flame Thorin because it's the cool thing to do no matter how correct he is

[@acidrat420]

@@spncrgrn He's always wrong until people realize he was right lol

[@vaderbuckeye36]

​@@spncrgrnpeople were really flaming thorin for going on a tangent and said "i dont know whose cousin in chat you are, but I didnt invite you on this show" like he didnt have a choice and vote about inviting him on and throwing shade on his cohost and viewers

[@Sgt.chickens]

​@@acidrat420 hes right about a fair few things but his attitude stinks of piss and he rides the moral high horse but then takes Gambling promotions. Not really interested in the opinion of a hypocrite

[@timothyboswell4120]

Quit league 8 months ago. Just got contacted to play top for TL

[@phoenix402]

take up the offer and show em who's boss, timmy!

[@endodouble6691]

If I was an org hiring DL, I‘d put a clause in his contract to prevent him from posting on social media without my approval. He doesn’t seem to think about the consequences of what he says like ever.

[@albertlwj]

if you're an org hiring DL, you probably aren't very smart to begin with.

[@NyangisKhan]

Yep! He might've just upended the whole negotiations thanks to his massive ego. Especially his statement about wanting to compete in the summer split and worlds. The guy's a great player but sadly he doesn't have a great head on his shoulders.

[@Plamler]

Absolutely hilarious

[@nrbism9614]

@@NyangisKhan Smart player, stupid person overall. If Doublelift's career was hinging on his ability to read a room, this guy would still be homeless lol.

[@86ajmn]

Theres a difference in not thinking about it and not caring. The asks of Riot is stupid and the players association is a joke. Nothing DL does or says changes these facts that Riot will never give a fuck about the players association because the players didn't pay a god dam dime to have a say. This "hide everyone's opinions" ideology is one of weakness and applaud DL for not giving a fuck about people who CHOOSE to be weak.

[@ogjoepesci]

HOLY based editor, that outtro was 10/10 well played.

[@hoangthongtruong3177]

Nah Dom just play everything live. He is a great producer for sure

[@yey862]

the ending was actually straight up from his stream, i was watching it live and was dying laughing for 10 mins straight

[@manuelhenriqu3]

NA blowing up two pipelines in a year fairs

[@mrfoodfrostfiend4100]

Bjergsen retiring at the same time LCS ends, truly the end of an era.

[@Odel964]

fr the goat

[@Tartersauce101]

Dude and it's ending involves a guy ACTUALLY NAMED Aram. So bizarre

[@whydidyoutubeaddthis]

i would watch 50 bronze players play. That shit would be so funny

[@oliverstaunton10]

trick2g used to do subwars, with sammy b, that stuff was crazy xD

[@dumbfailurekms]

then u would have a chance to play in front of viewers

[@govindsuresh6805]

Beautiful reaction vid I need more whenever drama drops this is too fuckin funny

[@broefkip]

Something I agree with Dom that I think is not talked about enough. Everyone goes boohoo these NACL players lost their job, after not performing and losing money for years. Even the normal employees that lost their job. Imagine you decide to go work for any random company, knowing they are LOSING money each year, but ofcourse you still gladly take the paycheck while not turning any revenue at all and then when the business goes bankrupt you go surprise pickachu face???? Like, anyone in any other circumstance loses their job in this situation, so the same goes for these people in esports.

[@babunadam3478]

So true. Honestly you said it the nicest way possible.

[@ggregg2667]

A big part of it is that they signed a year contract and it's just full on voided. That's objectively shitty. It's a lot about the lying too. Assuming the LCSPA is telling the truth and other reporting holds up, a week or so before the announcement, Riot told them no changes would be made until 2024. Both can be shitty and the rest not be warranted.

[@andrejstojsin]

WNBA loses money every year, a lot of money, but it sadly still exists even though nobody cares about it. Rito is filthy rich, so they could fund tier 2 competition if they wanted, but greed is strong in that one.

[@DZatheus]

@@andrejstojsin yeah, but the WNBA is subsidized by the NBA. They keep it as a PR league.

[@nickdeschenes7377]

I mean, the pro scene as a whole *doesn't* lose money. Not close. It's just that the money it makes is in skin sales for Riot. The question is twofold, then: is NACL necessary to this process (probably no, honestly, but that's not up to me) and was there a formal agreement that the NACL would be in place and funded (yes there *absolutely* was).

[@davidornelas3326]

its crazy to think that NBA G-league pros get paid 50k minimum salary meanwhile these dudes in academy are getting paid 60k minimum in a much less sustainable league with lower revenue. LCS salaries are hella inflated including academy and pro

[@peterino6370]

When DL said 46 people joined the meeting like it was a miracle, bruh it was discord, people joined because they need to effort to do so, try hold a meeting IRL see how many of them will show😂

[@sirfrostylion3976]

I wonder if some of this implies that Phillip went awol and made his own list of demands that he thought could benefit players but didn't actually talk to the players about. Still don't get how they didn't fight for the NACL players that got dropped when teams got to pull out. Like that was the whole start of this, and those dropped players gain nothing from this list of demands. Another thing I'm curious about is if any academy players got to be in some of these meetings. I haven't seen anything implying that any academy players had any voice in all of this.

[@MrAverien]

I've watched basically every Aram interview. The guy is off his rocker. He's a flat-out-literal Marxist who is enacting his Proletariat rise up against the Bourgeois fantasy. He has misrepresented the financial situation, doesn't understand that Revenue =/= profit, doesn't understand the idea of expense. He has put his ideology ahead of the interests of either the LCS PA or the NACL, and just wants a Labor vs Capital showdown. At the very *LEAST* if he didn't go to Liftlift with the demands before hand-- and the other major players and team leaders in the LCS-- to get their take, even if he went against some of them, he deserves to be canned. These demands should have been floated *as part of the walkout vote*. That's how you do this stuff. Aram's an absolute doorknob of a PA Rep. Fire his ass, get a labor lawyer to replace him, get some rational demands-- fulfillment of summer 2023 contracts, a guaranteed seat at the table for Tier 2 league discussions-- and try again. Doublelift didn't end the LCS PA bargaining position-- Aram did. Doublelift just verbalized it, and demonstrated he's not just irrational toward the ownership and Riot, he's irresponsible in his communication with the players themselves.

[@seangill2522]

"What I am saying is, if it's about standing with NACL players, or canceling summer split...I'm going" holy hell DL what a God tier moment. Literally fumbled the bag for the PA there. But I can't blame him, we have had what 3 or 4 players from Academy even make it to being a steady pro level player? Not exactly a success across the board you would call that terrible ROI for organizations.

[@autumneagle]

Doublelift: "There aren't 50 'good' players in NA..." League in NA last year had 151 million concurrent monthly players... The TOP 0.00001% of players still gives you 151 players to pick from. What you're actually saying is that the NA pro orgs are trash at training and developing people

[@ashtonizzard]

Bro just 1 shot the whole LCSPA strike in a single stream.

[@hardstuckplaya7581]

i would watch 5 bronze vs 5 bronze since it would be entertaining

[@jamiebruner8463]

Twitch.tv/saltyteemo

[@janedoe8901]

just queue up

[@arseniykoptev6758]

Smartest ADC player ever

[@wakkawakkagaming3710]

Dom pointed out the biggest problem at 5:45. Fact is, much like minor leagues in other sports, you're not supposed to make money on it directly, it's supposed to bulk up your main team. Problem is, NA Academy is at odds with imports. You give teams a choice between taking a gamble on semi-proven regional talent, or more proven international talent, they consistently choose the latter. If Academy isn't being used as a direct pipeline to put players into the LCS, then it serves no purpose

[@rrteppo]

Academy is supposed to be a proving ground where you play your main team against your academy team. C9 has had times in the past where their Academy players and main lcs players were basically interchangeable in some roles. Like Baseball has a minor league, let league have a minor league.

[@Double-vm2oo]

This is up there with the "Everyone else is Trash" narrative. This is up there with the 'best' DL statements/moments of all time lol

[@TrevCommentsStuff]

Coming here from the future when they cut the league to 8 teams 😳

[@MrLowbob]

regarding ~6:00 while developing players for your own team is surely a point, its actually decent as a financial strategy too: have players actually improve in acadamy, bring one or 2 in to your pro team every year, alongside 2-3 good players with experience. if the team is decent, you can then sell your players at a decent value. selling them directly off of academy is obviously not as easy, but if the tier2 scene was any decent and the buyouts not as crazy it'd even work on that level that you sell your academy player at breakeven and make money with the players that you promote each year

[@Bedardo12]

Doublelift kicking that ladder out behind him SO hard

[@Soupreme2]

If doublelift was in any union worth their salt he would been disappeared the moment he went live and shown up a week later with a broken nose

[@liftia420]

why should i care about LCS as an american when our region has less north american players than it does imports.

[@WAFFLEMAN38]

DL has had some legendary streams these last couple years lol. From the Regi thing to this, and can't wait to see what's next!

[@Velereonics]

I'm glad he said it. It will eliminate SO much of this time consuming fiasco. The players should be forewarned looooong in advance if the structure of pro play is being radically altered for the region. This isn't quite as bad as the HotS thing but it's close. That's the only real thing they have. I can't imagine even academy players truly believe in academy as being quintessential. If that list was made in completely sincerity then the people in pro gaming are much more delusional than I had thought they would be.

[@nrbism9614]

It's a classic negotiating tactic that seems to be passing over everyone's heads; you aim high, because then it gives you much more freedom in order to barter with what provisions you truly believe are reasonable. You don't ask for the most tepid offer at the start, what happens if Riot completely hardballs you? You're fucked getting a far worse compromise.

[@kevinmoy3752]

fear of homlessness really is a great motivator

[@VictorPerez-sh7et]

I just wanted my clash teams on stage for the split

[@Tyysst]

Franchising ruins esports

[@ElEmElEkv13]

Not just esports, it ruins every sport

[@parlangua89]

@@ElEmElEkv13 please do explain cause traditional sports are doing just fine lmao 😂.

[@DiabloTommaso]

Epsort are not sustainable in any other ways.

[@iamkailong]

@@ElEmElEkv13 not really. It is more complicated than just a yes or no. NA LCS is just way too small and revenue stream is too small for franchising to work. It is also a esports game and no one should expect it to grow forever like normal sports, which is what make traditional sport team to invest in the first place.

[@danielphelan2629]

​@@parlangua89not every sport uses a franchise model. Most sports use a club model which is based on a community E.g Liverpool FC, Man utd, Toulouse RFC. Where these clubs are created at a community level and work their way up a pyramid to the top. A franchise model is based on a commercial brand like the LCS, where spots are sold by the governing body to commercial entites who then build a team.

[@vincentjacobs5993]

1 year later and what doubelift is asking for is happening

[@Flor-um1zu]

If you you did this in Europe in a regular strike for a regular job your car would get bricks thrown through its glass and its tires slashed by other union members. This literally happened to my grandpa when he went into work while a strike was called.

[@semnejlepsi8983]

L for grandpops i guess

[@shemsuhor8763]

Kek, usually don't hear people talking about their relatives who crossed the picket line. Have CBAs tear my family apart at various times. Gross stuff. I always find myself falling on the side of unions, but I hate unions.

[@JoshuaGraves113]

Fkn Bulgaria. I knew it.

[@Flor-um1zu]

​@@semnejlepsi8983 It was indeed a massive L on my grandpa's part

[@wreckfish3198]

"He's so honest I love that" that's the bare minimum for these conversations, he shouldn't get a medal for it.

[@florisbackx1744]

11:30 If you follow that logic, they are also not able to remove the requirement to field challenger teams. Either you hold each other to the agreement or you renegotiate a new one and everything is back on the table IMHOI, is always give and take. The teams knew what they signed up for and took a risk when buying the spot, like any investment. Now as things go downhill they trow the challenger players and teams under the bus. What makes it even more ironic is that the so called low return on investment of the challenger teams is mainly due to teams own doing.

[@HunterEdmo]

But man this reaction actually hammers the nail down though, LMAO. I mean because you really never know how somebody will interpret what he said especially if they have any kind of bias. Sometimes people will completely disregard or forget certain statements but tunnel on others. Maybe DL could've doubled back and said, "Wait, I meant this, not that". This reaction spoon feeds an interpretation that can just be insta-accepted and bandwagoned

[@MM-vs2et]

Yeah but that responsibility is on DL, not on others. He should've been more careful if he really does mean something else, rather than what he said in the video.

[@HunterEdmo]

@@MM-vs2et I completely agree. The root failure is on DL and that's why I was laughing that Dom was adding to the terrible dumpster fire DL started xD

[@MM-vs2et]

@@HunterEdmo Poor Phillip man, I get that it’s easy to laugh at how stupid DL’s messaging is, but such a shame that a historic moment in Esports got undermined by one of their own

[@AzureKite]

The more time passes the more it becomes clear franchising was the worst thing Riot could have done to the LCS.

[@manasik6108]

smartest league player.

[@RumandCocaine]

travis taught him well, don't bite the hand that feeds and fucks you over.

[@disturbed1734]

/s

[@NyangisKhan]

@@RumandCocaine Basically don't bite your pimp?

[@Skelethin]

...DL is so corporate brain that he doesn't understand that the issue isn't that "there aren't 50 tier 1 quality players in NA", it's that they actively sabotage growing the talent of tier 2/actually challenging tier 1 players to get better or get out. Also DL has obviously zero idea what the hell income for normal people looks like. 30k a year is 14/hr at a full time job assuming you work 40 hrs/week. And LCS/NACL players put in far more than 40 hours a week. 60-80k/yr is barely a decent minimum based on how much of the player's lives are owned/controlled/directed by the teams. Though no player should be making over a million a year either. Player pay is insane.

[@MM-vs2et]

"At least he's honest" literally not even 15 seconds later DL : "I hope the negotiations go well" nah bro hes just stupid lmao

[@jasonyun1158]

What i took away from this drama. LCS : the tier 1 teams are doing airport speed runs every year and we’re pumping money into them constantly…. Hmmm if our 1st seed teams are this bad I bet the academy has no future. Just scrap it, it’s not like their talent deserves the amount of pay. LCS players who just collects checks and never improved their standing in worlds since season 4 : WALK OUT! WE DEMAND OUR FREE CHECK it’s ironic that Doublelift says the whole situation is messed up that they’re scrapping tier 2 scene but right after that statement he says the players just don’t care. Why would the people funding the money want to fund it if the players themselves don’t care. NA mentality goes dummy in these situation. “I don’t wanna try and care but I still want my free handouts” I would laugh at the demands less if they actually performed at all. “300k minimum for each team” what the f? Face it league hype is dying in the west because the players just feel a wall in skill diff verses the east and lose enjoyment in playing. Especially for the pros. “Dude I try so hard and my best but every year we can’t win 1 set either than wildcards…” in LPL LCk pros stream constantly showing their soloq games. Where’s the LCS players? Yeah not streaming because they know they’d be made fun of or they’re playing different games. They’re asking for money and resources they don’t deserve. Preform and then talk… atleast have a close series and ask for money. So shameless going 0/3 every year and demanding it.

[@ArifKhan-zb6fg]

The outro is gold LMAO

[@Diyor6190FnBest]

“Fear of homelessness” 🤣🤣🤣😭

[@HeezAP]

Doublelift is old school. Twitter is new school currently exploding at him for doing this and undermining it. He's saying that he's gonna play anyway because he probably has a duty to himself. Why give a fuck about the future of a league that you can squeeze some more money out of before the time is really over? He's self serving. He's not THE villain for it.

[@mattyiena]

50 bronze players send them to worlds, I think we have a better chance to make it to semifinals than with current LCS rosters

[@tzc9309]

Looool also imagine the casting - "Evi in the toplane, doing what he normally does going for a 1v1 - oh wait my mistake, that is Avi a bronze 5 player, was hard to tell the difference my apologies"

[@StrangelyIronic]

I like how it's, "show up" when it's just a discord channel I could go to on my phone. If you're going to have a serious meeting like this, make it be in person ffs. That has impact, not tapping join on a discord server -,-. The next major protest should just be phoned in, we'll show them! Set up a date, let these overpaid monkeys get there, and stand strong with photos and videos to prove it. It's clear that none of the people involved in this "LCS PA" understand how the world works with basic common sense. If they did, the demands wouldn't be so delusional. I vote to bring in D2-Masters players to play for LCS. The costreams would be hilarious, and it'd probably get more views TBH.

[@HeckMayster.]

Everytime doublelift opens his mouth, a rioter gets their devil horns

[@boomshakalaka8567]

Only entitled, lazy people disagree with his take.

[@MrLainon]

300k pool is an average of 60k not "MINIMUM." The situation that Double Lift said made sense with the best players making 100k and normal player getting around 30k is exactly the situation on a team with 2 good players and 3 meh players: 100k + 100k + 35k + 35k + 30k = 300k. It's not unreasonable at all.

[@dirky1185]

You really had to stretch for that one

[@Flickr9000]

Really good choice for outro music, hope it stays a thing for other uploads. Xenogenesis a classic.

[@kietey14]

This was an excellent laugh. I loved every bit of this 😊

[@albertlwj]

bottom line is, these are just all excuses. That's what NA is best at. every year, it's just excuses after excuses after excuses. These players need to take a hard look at themselves. What kind of example are they setting for up-and-coming players?

[@Warpenguin55]

12:28 DL predicted the future

[@chocococo852]

i just love how all these content creators, casters, redditors, pro players, financial advisors, pro union fks and their mom talk about EVERYTHING, revenues, esports market, labor, values, but QUALITY OF PRODUCT BOTH IN NACL AND LCS IS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.

[@Kai_soze]

They don’t care about the quality of gameplay. They just care about getting overpaid and being content with mediocrity.

[@chocococo852]

@@Kai_soze its so cringe that pro video game players talk about financial terms, labor rights, markets, supply and demand... like DUDE YOUR PRODUCT SUCKS, ITS BEEN TRASH FOR 13 FKING YEARS, YOU DONT EVEN GET OUT OF GROUP STAGE! STFU!

[@vlegerrr]

NAHH that outro was too good XDD

[@hribeiro14]

bruh is there a possibility that Doublelift is a Double Agent working secretly for riot to controls certain outcomes in mattes that riot needs to control players perspective on things? like really... im starting to think so :P

[@karotees]

i usually dont like videos. but that pull the outro was funny asfk

[@poeskey]

There is so much to be said about whats happened to LCS. First there are way more competitive esports games out now then there were when League started getting big so there are more options for people to play now. League games are WAY too long, and so new players are more likely to not play or not play ranked, this leads to less and less players every year coming into the game. This means talent isnt here anymore. When there was the challenger scene with the possibility of earning a spot in the LCS there was a REAL reason to want to climb the ranked ladder to potentially get onto a challenger team. Also with relegations there was real fear that you could be out of the league at the end of the year which lead to teams attempting to put together the best team possible each year. The fear of being homeless as Dom mentioned was there. I think that making the challenger / amateur scene a tourney scene is actually a really good idea. I think that making more international tourneys with smaller teams is what made League so much fun to watch back in the day. Maybe they could try that with the Tier 2 leagues and maybe you might see viewership go up. Also with more international play you might see players skill rise.

[@adriancandelario2902]

I respect DL 🤷🏽‍♂️ most of those demands were pretty bullshit

[@Bloodbow]

I'm glad Doublelift stood his ground and gave the honest truth. Hopefully now LCS can be demoted to a minor region and the 3rd slot is reserved for the MSI champion. I doubt even becoming a minor region would make LCS players give a shit about trying for anything besides a paycheck.

[@jihadalott992]

This is why we love DL. He has never been afraid to state his opinions (whether right or wrong). It’s hurt him a ton (I.e. “spring split doesn’t matter”) but it also gave him a massive fan base for his non PR takes

[@stevearnold8265]

There needs to be a time limit you can be in the amateur scene. 2 years. Then you can’t compete there anymore. Lower the salaries and make it actually about developing NEW NA talent.

[@aaronhand6360]

I REALLY like this idea!

[@Magariz1283]

Man single handily torpedoed the entire walkout

[@xAnonymousComedia]

DL should've just been a hypocrite and not said anything about not approving these points he voted yes on. Because now he's both a hypocrite and a dumb dumb in our eyes and also ruined it for the PA

[@adriancandelario2902]

Who cares about the PA tho a lot of their demands was pretty bullshit

[@disturbed1734]

He's always been an idiot and a hypocrite. Now he doesn't have anyone that's a bigger idiot/hypocrite to cover for him since leaving regi.

[@Iwmar]

Dom is too based for this world.

[@taylor720]

king of saying quiet part outloud

[@CxerRy96]

2:17...eh, people of the players ages honestly don't have that far of a foresight...I would expect this attitude to be present among LCS veterans in academy, but for the 18-20 year olds all they really think is "holy shit I'm getting paid to play video games I hope it never ends"

[@simons9264]

never mind that, how many carried challenger shitters do u think immediately applied to EVERY team in the league

[@wowdude1008]

"Fear of homelessness" Pretty sure these kids can go back to their parents if the E-Sport scene doesnt work out. Its not the same as back in your day Dom

[@hunter1308]

Outro too goooood

[@kylecrain2379]

I just hate the fact, that everyone is blaming Riot for the termination of the contracts of the NACL contracts. That is just not true, the ORGS fired them mid season, NOT riot.... But hey, blaming the guy that actually pays your salary would be too much of a stretch ....

[@Camoflaugepencil]

I walked away on the intro and freaking died laughing

[@Enochuout]

This was hilarious, oh lordy. Lmao, that outro too, hahaha.

[@patrickfrescatore8969]

Do they still not know that's how the world works? They don't have to give you a notice to fire you or let go. You technically don't have to give the company a 2 week notice.

[@bladesqueen5201]

*how the US works

[@Wardenaz]

DoubleBased

[@TheExFloridaMan]

NGL tuned out at the end so all i hear is Dom say "Then we're just gonna have to play LCS" with the outro music my ass thought man was about to reveal a jersey with the beat drop

[@yoloswag420bongripdtfkushl8]

Question about the Valorant style promotion/relegation 🙋🏻‍♂️ If I’m understanding this correctly, two additional spots are added to the league, and only those two spots can be lost by the team in that spot to a promoting tier 2 team, so what if an LCS team who can’t lose their spot because of their buy in of 10m when franchise started falls into one of those two spots…. Like what if the promoted tier two team finishes 5/12 in the league, are they still at risk of being relegated? I’m so confused by this system 😓

[@petormaculan5424]

nobody really knows. Its not even clear in valorant much less in the hypothetical league adoption of the system

[@yoloswag420bongripdtfkushl8]

@@petormaculan5424 Does valorant have franchised spots? cause if not, it makes sense in that system... but if it is franchised then yeah that also doesn't make sense

[@aliwaheed906]

"Fear of homelessness is the key motivator" - preach brother!

[@Justenxster]

The ending of the video was PERFECTION lol

[@budd1331]

Incentive in competition drives innovation. Prize pools and breaking your back to make the dream work brings out some serious competitive drive. Let the sharks swim the weak will fall out the strong will thrive and the game will be enjoyable for the viewers.

[@calfaro2010]

My opinion is that riot didn’t drop the academy players and the workers in charge of the tier two teams. The OWNERS themselves did because they didn’t want to spend money on it anymore and asked riot to drop the requirement.

[@Robfenix]

300k per NACS teams does not mean a 60k minimum per players. A team could pay one player 200k, distribute 100k to the other 4 and still meet the minimum. Realistically, that could happen when so many NA CS players are benched players from the main team.

[@johanneschristopherstahle3395]

What I don't get is why the teams negotiate those high salary contracts with academy players. They could just get players who demand way less and thus cut costs in their academy teams. Why do you have to remove those teams? You could just make them less expensive. Get players that don't cost much but are motivated.

[@flx2463]

the outro is pure gold