J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - The Ending of Time - Conversation 14

[@drharisht.k.1871]

Dr David bhom and j krishnamurti were always in perfect communion with each other whenever they had dialogues...and in all of their dialogues krishnmurti reveals some unsaid truths(which he usually had never talked about in his most of the public speeches) which he had perceived in his life...hence their dialogues are always worth listening to.

[@veririxx]

Harish T.k. It appears that K. has always tried to induce knowledge, not reveal it. Bhom was probably most responsive to this of all his audiences and in the end K’s knowledge is now revealed through these dialogues. Implying there are 2 simultaneous movements (material and non material) one of them restricts our freedom.

[@drdiptisinghgopal433]

Both are in perfect harmony.

[@adelharhoda3685]

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[@e.o9470]

J.K found the one that could at least intelligently perceive what he said.

[@reddytat]

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[@petergedd9330]

I owe a debt to Krishnamurti, I was given a book by him from a work colleague in the 70's called 'The Flight of The Eagle' and he basically showed me that I and my thought were two different things. The basis of the book title being that it is a great thing to fly like an eagle and leave no tracks, just be in every moment. However at the time after understanding this I found I was left in a limbo, and my thoughts were gathering speed and I desperately needed them to stop but did not know how. I then met my Master who revealed to me a place inside me that I could focus on that was not from any thoughts, and I cannot explain my joy when I felt that relief, and the bliss that is inside me and is infinite and is my home. But I make mistakes all the time so I have to keep my focus on what he is saying. I am so grateful for being showed this early in my life, and I wish for all seekers to find that beauty inside, it is a journey, a very beautiful one, today we have to be like the lotus that sits so very beatifuly upon that dirty pond, feel the peace find the peace, no matter what it takes but find that true peace inside, and then others will benefit and that is how peace will spread.

[@cosmicrider3]

Sir...you said that you discovered from " the flight of the eagle" that i and the thought are two different thing... but dont you see that i and the thought are the same thing?? I is an accumulation of thought, therefore thought all the same.

[@sachinranaa8795]

i and the thought are both thought its like a dog trying to catch its own tail but it keeps moving

[@salujathustra9905]

Have you found the peace? You haven't done anything other than following the path beaten by K.

[@menelith8558]

Once one goes through the process of understanding thought and all it’s applications and deceptions. One enters a " “ I don’t like to name it because when I name, it disappears and it becomes the thing that I named. This " " is so active, dynamic, it is just pure pure energy. I wish they talked more about this " ". They tried their best, but there’s so much more to explore in this " " of pure energy.

[@hommhommhomm]

Such a pleasure seeing the unstoppable force meeting the unbreakable object and having a grown-ups discussion. Truly amazing piece that exceeds what either of them could individually accomplish or reveal.

[@marcosmulka]

best comentary in the platform

[@drdiptisinghgopal433]

Silent mind is the universe.This is what meditation is all about.This sentence can be known only when one meditates.He leads us to the very essence of meditation.A true Guru

[@tjentalman]

Can one actually know anything at all? It is dangerous to have faith in your conclusions. It prevents expansion beyond the box. Don't trust limited thought. Limited thought fragments, causes conflict, and all the rest of it. JK might say something like that to that comment.

[@elenol1310]

A guru that wasnt a guru haha

[@rajanish1003]

In the sense that he frees ...he frees us of dependence even on himself . Reminds me of a quote attributed to Socrates or is it Aristotle That A true teacher is one who progressively makes himself useless to his students ... In the sense that he makes them independent of himself Regard...

[@cosmicrider3]

There s no way of knowing it...because knowing is knowledge. You simply are...otherwise when a time process is involved we are in the network of thought...and thought will propose new models...however whatever the model it will be always of the " thought activity ". Whereas meditation is outside the field of thought ....where no time is involved.

[@drdiptisinghgopal433]

The truth can be known when thought ends,in a silent mind

[@智慧之光-y1t]

10:21 empty mind reaction 18:43 no centre, timeless energy 20:13 24:53 timeless movement,no beginning no end 31:00 absolute

[@srinuallena]

Great discussion between a scientist and a philosopher.

[@lokeshparihar7672]

10:20 Is empty mind a reaction an escape? 14:10 joke 27:45 artist's search 30:08 physical responses and silent movement 35:00 MIND AND MATTER , thought works untill it reaches contradiction then it is its limitation. 42:00 suffering demands freedom

[@marcosmulka]

is amazing how is easy to see that from these talks bohm extracts the implicate order

[@caramason56]

Thank you ❤️

[@arabianorangutang]

1:00 - What is materialism? 13:02 - How should reactions stop? Thoughts can’t always make contributions 24:20 - Is the mind capable of stillness without any movement? 31:04 - Is silent movement the order of the universe? 37:54 - What is the relationship of absolute universal order, with inward order? 45:47 - There must be freedom from reaction

[@carlosalbertodesouza8599]

a porta foi aberta e a humanidade esta convidada a entrar...

[@Naranja1792]

48:55 “....are they one ?” thanks so much for this

[@manumaster1990]

super

[@srinivasarao6171]

(49:04) B: the material universe is like the body of an absolute mind. K: all right (49:17) B: may be a picturesque way of putting it. Are there any similar expressions in the classical Indian tradition? No, not mere expressions; something living, vital and vibrant expression of daily life. No conjectures, no pointing out...

[@kristalungeheuer002]

I like ot to listen to both of them

[@carlosalbertodesouza8599]

grandiosidade de sabedoria..

[@sylviagung1007]

Struggling God, to help his humans, to understand themselves and learn to live right, going far, far out with his humans....

[@BAUER33ful]

Silvia o que cherry ?

[@sylviagung1007]

"Universal material world as body of the absolute mind" ...!

[@becaudkuebena5083]

La question que je me pose, est ce que parmi nous, il y a ceux qui ont réussi à se garer de l'autre côté du fleuve durant quelque temps ou à jamais ? Car c'est le but de toute cette démarche, non ?

[@freddyantoniogutierrezfial3193]

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[@sushiltiwari6631]

Ultimate Master K is

[@gentiantafa4619]

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[@thatswhatnicksaid]

David Bohm rapping at 8:48

[@kooroshrostami27]

LOL indeed. Such poetry XD

[@CarlosAlberto-gs7gm]

Aqui tem sabedoria!...

[@sylviagung1007]

"You must abandon the world" ... The destination would depend on what this "world" represents for .... And beginning is the ending ... A double-edged sword ... me ... which side is sharper?

[@tomsmith2361]

👍😊

[@אורןאבנון]

Is there a movment which is not limited by 3 diamentiones? Sure there is. .

[@daisycypresstulipgarden2131]

As I understand this, correct me if you think I am wrong, this stillness is created when we are not reacting from the Ego anymore. For me this is happening when I am physically totally relaxed which only happens when I receive a foot massage from someone who I totally trust. When I go to sleep without any help from Valerian root, massages, frog sounds, then I will lie down but my brain is as active as it gets, horror thoughts pop up frequently, tension builds up, anticipation and so on. There is permanent reacting to thoughts and associations going on. This can only be made still, in my life, with massages and also with pressure applied to skin surface. Dr. Temple Grandin has designed and developed a squeeze machine for cattle originally, later on for people as well because she applied this pressure technique on her own body with the result of being greatly relaxed. Most humans if I may assume have tremendous anxiety which results in a perpetuation of continuous triggering of more anxiety among them. The path is therefore to go within ourselves as our only chance of becoming much more aware of what is going on in detail and why. The more we find out about ourselves the better we can learn to dissolve the causes of anxiety and figure out plans to dissolve the fear as Dr. Temple Grandin has done with her pressure application technology as one important form of resolving the problems. Cognitive awareness processes are equally important but they alone might not be strong enough to achieve that relaxation. We need both, cognitive as well as physical techniques.

[@patricktrazzi]

This stilness is not "created". This stillness has nothing to do with physical techniques.

[@patricktrazzi]

I think stillness is a state of mind in which there is no "me" or "I" trying to do something. Stilness is impossible when someone ("me") is trying to generate it. You can have some sensation of quietness, but the real stillness is not something you create deliberately. Stillness has nothing to do with relaxation. It's easy to be relax: listen to a quiet song ; take a bath ; make Yoga ; etc. You maybe temporarily are relax and reduce anxiety. But this is not the real stillness. When you watch this video with Krishnamurti and Bohm, they are not talking about massages etc. They are talking about a mental situation in which there is no "me". This mental condition is not something you achieve by physical movements. Massage, Yoga, etc. It's a deep psychological understanding of yourself.

[@patricktrazzi]

I ask it a little bit to provocate but: why should I be quiet and calm ? Why should I relax myself ? If I have a lot of energy, I like to climb montains, or if I like to play electric guitar... why should I keep quiet ? And why should I "become" something I'm not (a very calm person) ? And is it possible to "lay the ego aside" ? I'm not sure about it. I think the ego can be seen, I can be conscious of it. I can be conscious of "me". But can I put it aside ? And should I put it aside? The ego is me !

[@tjentalman]

When going through these dialogues and concepts, one must try not to take any cognitive steps without first being clear on the line of thought. What is ego? what is me when you say "for me..." Also, anything can be a reaction even attempting to not have reaction. In your comment, much leaping of thoughts occurs so idk if your comment is flowing in the correct direction (if there is one). I think if you slow down tremendously and be sure of every step of this thought process you commented, it will greatly help you in understanding how many complexities are within every sentence you present and how many assumptions we, as survivally-selected minds of evolution, make in thought processes every moment. Try not to move onto the next thought untill you have strong faith that you are the master of the thought leading up to that one. When you say "...stillness is created when we are not reacting from the Ego anymore." Is there even an Ego to react to in stillness? Who is we? what is stillness, created, or reacting. "Anymore" also implies time, which may not be nessisary to include at this moment.

[@kooroshrostami27]

The massage practices just appease the psychological turmoil, they don't dissolve it. As Bohm said in another dialogue: "If you're running away from the instability of the brain, that is already a disorder." We have to go into it and question it as you said. If you're using massages, the tensions will resurface again and again and you will need to do the massage every time. But I don't see how a physical technique like massage could permanently dissolve something which is caused by a psychological disorder. That's like taking pain pills when you have a gashing wound and then you keep taking pills instead of fixing the wound.

[@amandaalm4863]

Like a Drum! :)

[@BamBhole1]

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[@ramongomez8849]

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[@wonder2873]

@32:16 The word is Cosmic.

[@robertopuccianti8498]

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[@אורןאבנון]

It could be much easier to relate to the"gtound" as potential and as d.b was saying that unfolds.

[@Feliandyx16]

El concepto de la mente universal también expresado en el kybalion pero aquí lo desmenuza perfectamente K ¡¡¡

[@musicminded64]

"thought is the problem"

[@Feliandyx16]

@@musicminded64 el pensamiento siempre sera el problema, por eso K nos trajo la enseñanza de la verdadera meditación osea la Percepción Unitaria !!!

[@chipkyle5428]

There is no evidence of this absolute or universal mind; as there is no evidence of the tooth fairy. (Of course, I confess both are possible) Conversely, my personal conscious experience is evidenced. It IS real. So here’s my Takeaway: All understanding, purpose, meaning, is proximal (to “me” and to you). It is also temporal. It can only be personal. You are truly free when you understand you are the creator of this story; the creator of your myth. Until your last breath, you will live the story you have created. Now go live your remaining moments free, unencumbered. Stop the search. You’re already there. You have always been there. You are absolute consciousness.

[@KINGJUNAID555]

6:04 . 13:45

[@a_man_jaiswal]

41:40

[@juliangiulio3147]

I would not concur that thought is only a material process: the essence of nonduality is just what-we-are-experiencing-subjectively, that happens in no 'place': the brain may well be a physical counterpart to it, some would say that the movement in the brain IS the thought; but the experincing of life Happens 'subjectively', without any need for objectifying itself!

[@אורןאבנון]

That is a limited expression of the other.

[@vxt1024]

20:12 Is there a movement .... which is not a movement ? lol

[@wuwei9968]

I saw your comment before hand and it still got me.

[@musicminded64]

not meant is laughing as if it would be "error"

[@drdiptisinghgopal433]

U will know this movement if you meditate.otherwise difficult to understand.only a meditator will know

[@Intelligentsia101]

As you observe the moving pictures on your tv screen, look close, Zoom in to the pixels on the scree, then zoom out again, is that not an illusion of a movement without an actual movement you are watching on your screen.

[@cosmicrider3]

Then it wont be called movement...but stillness...movement is thought. Where as stillness is freedom. You therefore render to availability. Which means in the Now....not the past, not the future.

[@doublenegation7870]

Krishnamurti needs to stop interjecting with leading questions when he doesn't hear what he likes.

[@elenol1310]

Because the conclusions might be false hah

[@reincarhated8426]

he’s dead

[@nikhilpujyar1525]

Hahaha true...

[@innerhebridean]

I didn't realize Roy Orbison had such a dry sense of humor.

[@sinamohajer9391]

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