J. Krishnamurti - Rishi Valley 1984 - Small Group Discussion 2 - Why have I not radically changed?

Rishi Valley 1984 - Small Group Discussion 2 - Why have I not radically changed?
Summary:
Q: We started discussing the ground of the mind from which a new mind can flower. You also spoke about the senses operating at their highest, simultaneously. As a newcomer, where do I begin?
If we lose touch with nature, of which we are a part, then we lose touch with humanity, our fellow beings.
Do you only look with your eyes?
Ask yourself why after forty years you are exactly as you were, modified. There has been no radical change. Why?
Our brains are conditioned to reward and punishment.
The essential nature of meditation is never to be conscious that you’re meditating.
Can the brain be so quiet that the activity of thought has completely ended, or is it always chattering away?
Note: a total of 1 minute and 13 seconds of missing video is replaced by audio only.
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[@petera.leussink7668]

Great teaching! So rich and in such great detail and understanding!

[@auggied6760]

Pupulji is my favorite. What a great intellect! I recommend her book, Fire in the Mind, filled with transcripts of her discussions with K.

[@mindaware]

In one hour of chaotic and centring around scattered themes, one valuable take away for me: love is beyond brain, it does not belong to brain the seat of thoughts, ego, confusion etc! Plus stillness of brain comes when timeless love is there. I was also struck by K’s remark that ‘ K is not distracted’. Well Pupul and others did distract him to all kinds of themes of discussion.

[@gnome3d750]

In a series of discussions between Dr. Bohm and J.K., they talk about love very deeply. Love, is a capacity of the human brain that is outside the realm of thoughts. K has often asked "is there another activity in the human brain / psyche, that is untouched by though" - This is the part where he goes deeply into the topic of love. I hope this makes sense to whoever is reading this. And if I'm wrong, please correct me. Thank you!

[@Gaurav.P0]

@@gnome3d750 you are correct 👍

[@joginderanand7618]

I amazed with the extra ordinary beauty in K's remarks as edited Mr. pradeep K's words are precious gems and must needs be a reality for the whole of humanity

[@joginderanand7618]

Taking K's words and making of them a living fact must be of immense value

[@joginderanand7618]

These words if really lived must work wonders

[@ritesharora6032]

Pupul ji ask good questions

[@RamSamudrala]

I have undergone several radical changes, but they were mainly due to circumstance. IT's going through these that has made me better: what does not kill you makes you stronger. You can see that a lot of this change occurs as a result of some suffering (JK's brother dying for instance -- I can't even write about recent experience except to say it is the greatest challenge thrown at me by the universe that was overcome).

[@jenniferlee5871]

Yes agree. Sorrow is insight.

[@bassiebassie3417]

Are you sure?

[@img008]

Haha! Several radical changes!!!! Spoken like a person who has been inattentive to everything around him.

[@img008]

I think it’s a myth that k changed AFTER the death of his brother. If this is an important question, then doubt it and re-read his biography

[@melchorkaamino5115]

nice., The speaker is pertaining the soul of the seeing Where is the potency of the seeing arouses, that's why he is saying You are not just seeing the outside

[@RajeevKr_90]

Listen k completely is part of meditation

[@gauravsinha8298]

Not only jk but also all unless you are insensitive to other what they are saying ,how they are dressed everything else to be sensitive means being aware of all that

[@cheri238]

​@@gauravsinha8298 🙏❤️🌎🕊🎶🎵

[@tapashchatterjee3512]

ENLIGHTENING.......

[@metipallearuna223]

The head and tail in daily life of livestock care is of paramount significance to domestic virtue of the occupation in the world of self-preservation. To change that would make connections with conflict inadvertently or accidently,that would make the structure of destiny foreseeable with no freedom from will to live a charitable life and become subjection to the requirements of unforeseen time.

[@gentiantafa4619]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@karenkurdijinian2069]

Thank you very much . 🙏To look at , watch , to sight , there are various observations , what one is looking for to watch any object , ex . the tree ,or the leaves or the colors or ... watching or looking or staring ,watching in between the distance. the air and between ,.what one is watching ,before reaching the object , ex the tree , but watching the object and you’ll see there is invisible distance ..is visible ....but we never watch like that because we thing there is nothing in between the object and the eyes ...and our biological body was originally programmed ,to be in very close to nature to learn how quantum energy ,could be seen and used ,as a natural tool to create ,or move with that energy to create and repair ,that’s the cells original program ...to learn ,..to build , ..be creative in building anything and to be healed . Agree ,There is no beginning ,as a beginning it’s you at that present moment using all the senses to enjoy the beauty of the performing wave of the nature , and how to paint with that quantum world of chaotic nature , no measurement , and the whole creation of the universe as a material that its there for the use to make masterpiece of beauty , ...express oneself , with giving freedom to the senses to express the seen through them ,, watch carefully how beautiful everything around is created ,.human beings still not ready or just not informed enough to stay intelligent in conscious experience of the life existence to create and understand the thinner structures as different dimensions or .universes being close to touch , but first must understand thy ,like you say inner and outer , no division , or separation of all the now , present moment , ..experience 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻

[@rusher9864]

not be concious of meditating Is real meditation knock my socks off

[@sylviagung1007]

PJ, greedy complex mind can never get it, especially when it thinks K is hiding something in his mouth, and focuses into finding what it is K is hiding.😶‍🌫

[@tanvis4641]

Pupul Jaykar tone is similar to Krishnaji here.... Slow & easy

[@AjayKumar-pn5yy]

nope...she seems so much stiffed to her facts.

[@sunnycriti9809]

A lovely discussion. Dualism causes this separation ?

[@joydevghosh8017]

My question is that-- what is the point of being full of sympathy for the deprived ones if you can't do anything to alleviate their suffering and simply watch everything and feel for them.

[@nitinvsjain]

If you are ful of sympathy, you just can't sit back & watch. Doing has to happen. One can't escape

[@annelbeab8124]

Acknowledging the situation and being compassionate is just automatically occurring, if you understand that you are not really separate from anyone.

[@img008]

People have “done” something about it. We have social workers, etc. we have also put criminals in prison. Yet, the basic human problems remain. So, can the brain (not yours or mine) expand its capacity to contain ALL of time?

[@thomasevich]

Is there a 3 part?

[@ritesharora6032]

meditation 41:36

[@dan020350]

-.- because radically you are changed, you just don't know it

[@gauravsinha8298]

Because there is no thought if you think I'm changed then there is also essence unnecessary is unnecessary

[@LifeCoachRahulGarg]

Outside in approach...

[@nitinnangnurkar2840]

37:00

[@angelabarbagallo6602]

Peccato che non è italiano