Love, Sam (FULL GAME)

[@TheWickedLep]

Love that one day the human race as a whole decided that the feeling of dread, danger, and fear is pretty rad and started making shit that induces those feelings on purpose, just for fun, like a bunch of psychopaths.

[@zavexcapricious2519]

Ik right? I'll never get the appeal of horror games, I have no idea why you would WANT to be scared XD

[@Tazerboy_10]

🤔

[@jwx9509]

I mean.. you're not wrong.

[@thijnhogendoorn6598]

@@zavexcapricious2519 why are you here

[@blobfish2611]

@@zavexcapricious2519 fear creates adrenaline amongst other things which some people enjoy feeling

[@MeBeCreepy]

I love the fact that Kyle is basically a background character in Sam and Brian’s love story. Like not even the main villain in Sam’s diary entries, just Stacey’s lackey bf. Until he finally had enough.

[@randompromises1038]

i was on board with it being sam being the villain until some details weren't connecting and i thought 'wait... maybe stacy is the villain'. did not think of kyle up until the texts lmao

[@TheLegend-ky2he]

@@randompromises1038 Stacy is such a clever red herring

[@milylopez5173]

It's giving Heather vibes!!!

[@jackroberts2704]

Is Kyle gay?

[@bashkeys5029]

This is an "unreliable narrator" done extremely well in a game. I'm actually struggling to think of other good examples.

[@TheLuckyPotato]

The Beginner’s Guide

[@Fuffydud]

Unreliable narrators directly show the viewer false information. This was just going off the viewer's assumptions but provided no false information, which I enjoyed. I don't really like true unreliable narrators.

[@ratpunk2691]

one of my fav tropes that i rarely see in game format tbh

[@Randylux1]

Little Misfortune

[@emma_spiral_e5176]

@@TheLuckyPotato wow amazing rec that game is amazing

[@bloodybee3553]

I love that the thing said "Hide, coward" and Seán just said "Got it, got it."

[@WhoamI-yz9nx]

He was on it IMMEDIATELY lmao

[@x-icutionist-o7898]

"good soldiers follow orders"

[@SpiritWolfeMoon]

@@x-icutionist-o7898 I see you are a person of culture

[@x-icutionist-o7898]

@@SpiritWolfeMoon no, just a clone, sir. meant to be expendable

[@SpiritWolfeMoon]

@@x-icutionist-o7898 Not to me

[@juliamiller9052]

“The creepy stares from Kyle” set off all my alerts. Also that Kyle hides in the end by cowering in his closet was a sad and disheartening touch

[@Moondragon1821]

Definitely started thinking Kyle was actually in love/obsessed with Sam..but the longer the game when on...oof.

[@Alex-hd4yr]

i def got the vibes something was weird between kyle and brian sam even commented on their dynamic in one of her early diary entries and i was immediately like hmmmmmmmm 🤔

[@k.h6635]

Yeah..i knew Kyle kinda sus at first, he's like yandere or "gay" yandere to be specific lol

[@melodys9188]

@@Alex-hd4yr no same my gay flags were raising real early

[@rockerojerez349]

@@melodys9188 🌈🌈🌈

[@hiitsme5524]

When he says "it's so echoey in here" and his voice also echoed, it scared the shit out of me. Great editing right there

[@randimarsh3596]

I jumped more at that then any other scare in the game 😂🤣😂

[@zachariebourgeois5510]

@@randimarsh3596 Idk the girl behind the character going towards him made me have goosebumps ;_;

[@JJ-rd1nz]

Same it made me jump lol

[@MidnightMuffin]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who got scared lol

[@swagihost3530]

Me too I wasn’t paying attention to what he was saying and the echo freaked me tf out 😭😭

[@finnthefish1565]

once you start to figure out this game's story it makes the beginning when you didn't understand so much scarier.

[@viviennehodgetts8064]

@Kavetion dude he's dead. I hate bots so much.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa2004]

The needles in the drawer are what made me suspect the twist. It's such a good, small detail.

[@WhosTilly]

The fact Sam was still alive while Kyle was rummaging through her bag breaks my heart, she didn’t have to die and certainly not alone. Plus i can’t believe how absolutely terrified Brian must have been even though it wasnt Sam stalking him he was still getting calls in the middle of the night where someone was just listening to his voice.

[@WhosTilly]

While I haven’t had experiences like this game, it hit rly close to home with the rly powerful conveying of the whispering and having everyone’s eyes on her (Sam) when she was going through all this. Cause sometimes even nothing as drastic as what happened to her in this game happen to you it can still feel like everyone is judging you even when they probably aren’t

[@saroon6523]

I was about to ask why Sam didn't call him B in her other diary. Jesus christ this game is heartbreaking, but it's excellently made. Genuinely incredible.

[@nemopouncey3827]

not many bots today. that's good.

[@fireking0531]

@@nemopouncey3827 hahah... you got here too late, it was horrifying! :D

[@nemopouncey3827]

@@fireking0531 guess they got reported before I got here.

[@aguyontheinternet8436]

Now I'm gonna have to watch the entire 2 hour video to fully understand everything that was happening. 36:56 Like this part seriously changes with context.

[@BlackMoonHowls]

@@aguyontheinternet8436 Speed run it and play it at double speed. lol

[@reaperscythe4579]

Wow, we get to have so many different assumptions throughout this game. "Sam's straight up just a crazy stalker" "We're Sam being haunted by Brian" "We're Brian being haunted by Sam" "Sam started normal but broke from bullying and obsession" "Brian is in on the bullying" "Sam killed herself" "Brian killed Sam and it's revenge haunting not stalker haunting" "Crazy diary isn't Sam!" "Someone else killed Sam but are we still Brian?" "Crazy diary is Kyle!" "We are also Kyle!" "There is no ghost! Just drugs!" "Brian and Sam were completely innocent in all this and now I just feel sad" So many different ways we thought the story was going. This was brilliantly done.

[@LilRedWitch]

I think I went through the 5 stages of grief every 20 minutes of this game 😭

[@BONKshling]

bruh kinda overkill am i right?

[@notafurrysogoaway]

Another Overkill fan? damn

[@topazstars7734]

Yeah this is exactly how it happened for me

[@Coolgamer_12]

@Kavetion no.

[@glueguzzler9548]

The saddest part is that stories like these really do happen, souls tortured by themselves going on to torture others. If only Brian listened to Sam, if only Kyle could love himself

[@Nitrinoxus]

Loving yourself is the hard part, especially for those of us who started questioning our orientation in the '90s -- there was a _lot_ of pressure to pretend to be straight, and it _hurts_ to have to do that for years.

[@Chicagocanine]

It kinda reminds me of the case of Conrad Roy.

[@animelordd]

1000th liker :)

[@LukaGalactica]

Sheesh

[@darlingfawn07]

Idk man.. I don't think Kyle is the tragic character you think he is

[@willcat1014]

I love how Jack just looks at the camera and says with a tired voice, “don’t eat people’s hearts”

[@sammy_wills]

"Briaaan, that kills people!"

[@WickedQueenKenz6]

Kinda like a dad who has had enough

[@willcat1014]

@@WickedQueenKenz6 Exactly like a tired dad. One that has to tell their kids stuff like that all the time

[@Kaz_thebooker]

you are my new favorite person ever. @@sammy_wills

[@irwinandrew]

I feel so bad thinking that Sam was a creepy over-obsessed weirdo and then finding out she was actually super normal and could have had such a great life except that this guy just absolutely ruins and then ends her life.

[@mrsfahrenheit]

same here🙃🙂

[@LynDewey]

I think that’s what made the twist so surprising. The beginning is laid out so specifically cliche, even sam referencing relating to a teen romance novel. You think it’s just another rejected girl game who goes violent. And then you find out you’re Kyle, he made everyone think that on purpose. And it clicks so instantly but in such a way you’re stunned because even you believed it. I don’t know what this is called, but I guess it’s the opposite of Dramatic Irony. I love it.

[@jordanvr1716]

Off- topic anyone remember Joanna Lopez

[@nihilsnake4017]

Well shiiiiit I’ve been spoiled, I shouldn’t of looked at the comments 💀

[@LynDewey]

@Kavetion dude if you gotta tell people you’re better than a deceased person you’re definitely not all that

[@Billybob-en1mk]

"Theres someone for everyone" Ten minutes later "You fucking monster" I love story telling like this. Emotional Rollercoaster

[@alexpatrick5534]

Lol

[@jacobsummerfield9649]

Never let them know your next move

[@miaronald9114]

It was so cool how throughout Sam’s diary you would have comments like “Kyle was giving me that creepy stare” and then at the end it all just made sense because that was her noticing his overwhelming hate for her but just not realising. And as an audience, we then just pass by that little detail like Sam did until the ending comes and it all makes sense. All the little details click and make the full picture, which is what makes this such an amazingly well-written story.

[@DoomBringersDomain]

Yes agreed there youve said everything i wanted to say so im just gonna reply to your comment

[@EsmeTerranella]

yeah I was going to say the same thing...

[@Nabooze]

could you have spoilered this atleast?

[@smolchild1057]

@@Nabooze it's called: watch the video before reading the comments.

[@larabanana6949]

@@Nabooze as much as its annoying, the comments section is an area where the community can discuss the video. Could a 'SPOILER' tag be put at the top as a warning? Yes. But it is what it is. Sometimes people get excited to share thoughts and forget to do this and that's ok

[@jacobbesler3214]

It's been a while since a character made my blood boil the way Kyle does. He takes the ability to control his own fate for granted while systematically taking it away from Sam. She had her privacy invaded, her family history weaponized against her, and was tormented with false rumors she had no means to refute. Ultimately Kyle took not only her self-determination, but the chance to even experience the rest of her life at all, just for the sake of his own jealousy. Meanwhile, to the very end, he enjoyed the luxury of choosing if, when, and how his personal secrets were revealed. His own loneliness and fears are understandable, especially regarding his sexuality. However, nothing ever forced him to do what he did, and the fact that he had enough putrid shreds of a conscience to feel bad afterwards doesn't mean much to the girl he left broken and dying at the bottom of a cliff.

[@gamemakerloch6964]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Kyle is the kind of person that makes me want to break arms. He took his own problems and projected them outwards to the point of murder.

[@nyxcat3621]

It’s true that he was an actual shit person and a murderer, but as someone who’s had hallucinations and delusions similar to what’s in the game (not related to a person, I’ve never been a stalker or even had a crush, as I am aromantic), these hallucinations and delusions stop you from doing almost anything, even leaving the house. Because of this, it’s not exactly a luxury to not reveal the secrets, more like being psychologically unable to. But again, I agree that he’s horrible. Manipulating Brian, killing and ruining Sam, and using and being neglectful if his relationship with Stacy.

[@kitsuu6677]

It reminds me of the school shooting problem in America. Yes, it wouldn't be such a big problem if people's mental health and rights were looked after, if there were real justice in this country, but that doesn't refute the fact that those shooters are still horrible people. Bad people will always be bad, but you can prevent them from doing terrible things by treating them right.

[@ISTHATAJOJOSREFERENCE]

@@nyxcat3621 I'm 90% sure that the hallucinations that take place in the game are due to Kyle's rampant drug addiction. I don't think he had hallucinations at the time of the murder

[@nyxcat3621]

@@ISTHATAJOJOSREFERENCE I know, but I’m talking about how the commenter was saying it was his decision to keep the murder hidden when his drug induced hallucinations were the things keeping him from telling the truth

[@SirDinklebamp]

Sean overthinking and not realizing that the journal was saying “I do not overthink” rather that “I do overthink” is peak ADHD

[@ryukomatoi69420]

@n30n seek help

[@chasityvargas2475]

@n30n it's a literal mental disorder, how is that fake? 😂

[@davidreljac1707]

@@ryukomatoi69420 It's a troll, don't bother.

[@missingpiece5631]

@n30n Dude you can literally see signs of ADHD on MRI scans in some cases. It's a disability/medical condition, just as much as depression, autism or hearing loss. It's a fact, not an opinion smh

[@decayingfairy3996]

@@moonshineaudios5740 *report n30n for misinformation

[@snownmen4403]

1:13 "I've never cared for keeping a diary. But now seems to be a good time to *start* keeping one." 6:45 "I haven't kept a diary since kindergarten, but this seems like a good time to *restart* ." From the very beginning, it was hinted at us that the two entries were from two different people. I just love it when games put in these obvious but easily overlooked details to make us give out an "Ahhh" when we really think about it afterward.

[@PerishersChamber]

holy shit, i love those subtle hints. thank you for pointing it out or else i wouldve missed it lmao

[@nebularl9314]

how did we all miss that i just feel dumb now

[@mackenzireese9476]

ooh and when kyle's diary states from the beginning that brian moved 3 years ago! i was so confused when we found out sam died at 17 after being "a transfer student in 11th grade" so she really couldn't have written anything three years after loll so good bc even with that i didnt know it was kyle!

[@kipandren]

It's also worth looking at the writing styles of the two diaries. Sam is a major bookworm and writes in full paragraphs. She doesn't use a lot of flowery language or dramatic declarations. She consistently fills the entire page each time she writes. Kyle is much more into poetry and his diary reflects that. Sentences are short and use a lot of dramatic symbolism (the meaning of smiles, Brian being a "closed, painted door," ect.). Kyle rarely fills a page with words, but is very expressive in his meaning with what he does say. It can be seen very early on that these are two different voices speaking, even if the font they use is the same. I can easily see how we might miss it, however, if we aren't looking for that. This is especially true in places where poetry is considered to be a 'feminine' hobby, as the author's gender would be more likely assumed to be female.

[@Fantomuawa]

i thought that was strange but i honestly was too enraptured wit the rest of the story to even actually pay attention to it

[@jammiedodgers13]

It's telling how many of us assumed 'okay here we go, crazy girl in unrequited love' at the beginning, because we're so used to that trope that it doesn't even cross our mind that it could be a guy's diary. Just like how his love for Brian is 'unthinkable' to many people (at least that's how he perceives it). It's even more heartbreaking reading the diary entries second time, knowing who is writing them and why, they have a whole different tone.

[@Jamjamsart]

i actually thought "sam" was a guy in the beginning because the first diary (kyles) gave me self hating homosexual with internalized homophobia vibes.

[@chikn9621]

Pretty sure Sam is a woman since at 49:32 it describes Sam as a girl of 17 years old found dead at Colton hill but if I’m confused or something just let me know

[@jammiedodgers13]

@@Jamjamsart Oh interesting, I didn't consider that at all! It was only when too many things didn't add up that I began to suspect, only minutes before Jack got it honestly. Then it all started to make way more sense. I wonder if they used the name Sam for that particular reason, so you can read it different ways and it keeps you guessing.

[@Aglaesia]

@@chikn9621 sam is a woman, they meant in the beginning of the game before it was clarified

[@chikn9621]

@@Aglaesia ahhh I understand sorry

[@nobodytheowl]

I love how every single element in the game had a larger purpose to the story. From not having a reflection, to the randomly empty closet, hell even a branch - a fucking _branch._ It just goes to show how much effort and thought the dev put into it, as well as how much he values our time as players. Truly brilliant.

[@izzyt1626]

Ya. It honestly made me...pity Kyle. I don't think he's...evil per say. Hes not good by ANY means he's diabolical and cruel yes but not evil. Just sad, lonely, and pathetic. And this was in 2006 and the LGBTQ community was not very accepted back then. They were acknowledged and started getting rights but were still outcasts to society. And he probably did have a shitty home life. He's not evil just...broken. and I find that to be worse

[@nobodytheowl]

@@izzyt1626 I agree, Kyle was like a perfect antihero.

[@msjkramey]

​@@nobodytheowlhow was he an antihero?

[@GameOver-nm2us]

​@@izzyt1626he's plain evil you can't say otherwise

[@izzyt1626]

@@GameOver-nm2us ya no I agree but not idk it's confusing (to me) he's horrible and cruel and diabolical but I feel like if he just went to therapy before than a lot of this would've maybe not be avoided but it wouldn't have gone down the way it did?

[@aeolyx]

1:24:45 really cemented who we were playing as for me, because being told to “hide, coward” and then having the only option be the closet is just.. damn. Like I know closets are a pretty common hiding spot in games but.. *man*

[@dinopines9191]

THE FACT I PUT THIS TOGETHER AS I WAS READING THIS COMMENT- gosh this game is incredibly clever.

[@CataStudies]

Also after he literally comes out of the closet.

[@clayponder4423]

Damn, I didn't even realize...

[@assalgh560]

Ok, i feel a bit dumb but i still haven't figured it out yet, how does that imply who we were playing as??

[@heyyou9137]

@@assalgh560 its about gay person, and “closet” is like about coming out.

[@whickwhacksmacker]

“Finish what you Started” has so much more impact when you find out what it actually means at the end

[@punnup3452]

Oh my God I love how the lines saying "If I tell B how I feel it would ruin his life" It made no sense at the beginning since I just assumed she thought she wasn't worth it but it makes a lot more sense that people would judge Brian if he had a boyfriend

[@jacksonfairfax6351]

You saying this just made me realize that as well! All the “it would ruin his reputation talk” is so well done, because of how in Sam’s Diary she refers to herself as a city girl outcast. This game is an absolute masterpiece

[@caseygunter6813]

It seems the time of this takes place in the early 2000s. Pretty sure it was still highly judged then. Only when mass publicity came into play due to the emergence of all forms of social media did the criticism die down substantially because people realized "Eh why should I care about this stranger's life?" while also getting hooked up on another one's life because that's just how it is. In other words, this would never have happened if it was in the present. Victims of circumstance.

[@punnup3452]

@@caseygunter6813 I get what you're saying but I feel like it doesn't really matter what era you live in If a homosexual admits they have a crush on you and you are straight that's going to hurt no matter what and (especially in a school setting) it's going to make people laugh and tease you

[@Vesperad0]

@@caseygunter6813 While yeah, some of that is true, unfortunately a lot of people still care about if a man likes another man or if a woman likes another woman. Even worse, obsessive and creepily so when they're young and "following a trend". I think it'll still be a long time before people understand that differences doesn't always equal bad, in fact it almost never does. But yeah, amazing story.

[@caseygunter6813]

@@Vesperad0 The obsession is what occurs when someone lets their emotional attachment get condensed due to either lack of confidence or some other reason. It becomes creepy, but for the most part the creep doesn't even realize it. The ones that do realize it, however, are the worst. Then we have the ones like Sam who think they're creeps when in actuality they're self conscious.

[@notcashgg8353]

sean’s advice at 1:12:00 about finding the right person so important for so many people to hear

[@davinci9571]

It honestly gave me an incredible breakthrough, i feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders after 2 years. Jack is a blessing to mankind

[@korettopun1203]

@@davinci9571 same

[@hollystar311]

Seriously inspirational

[@trashbag5677]

I love how the "finish what you started" with the finishing the hearts related to Kyle drawing those hearts around the school to frame Sam I love how sneakily they foreshadow things

[@ScottyDoesntKnow69]

It was just a prank Sam, A prank Sam. It was just a prank Sam.

[@malinrolf2987]

Yeeeesss, that we think it’s just hearts in the diary at first but it’s literally all over the walls around the school, and that the hearts was the beginning of Kyles “revenge” that he had to finish :(

[@daylanfrias5466]

When jack was in the bathroom and his face-cam only came up when the shutter clicked was such a nice editing touch

[@kevlarwolf]

I kept thinking something was gonna happen with the face cam or something.

[@wildwrath8100]

I found funny for some reason lmao

[@tryingnot2bdumb]

yeeeeess

[@Nothing.Nugget]

I liked it alot, I haven't seen anyone else do that, so it was so cool to see him edit that

[@astralasd]

Yeah that was cool

[@MetaGiga]

Those who don’t know: ‘Misery’ is a book about an author who finished a book series and gets into an accident in the middle of nowhere. The one who finds him is a nurse who takes him to her home... But she hated how his series ended, traps the author through her own medical knowledge, and forces him to write a continuation just for her using an old broken typewriter. In other words, the nurse is a crazed stalker fan keeping the author captive in order to keep writing. It’s what Stephen King described as his worst nightmare and it fits for what this game is about!

[@ender_voide9344]

I watched the movie, and it was really creepy

[@MetaGiga]

@EnderArt At the risk of making a game reference, the book is really good too. Definitely worth a read!

[@user-lj9we2rf1n]

sledgehammer.

[@Dougretseverything]

I read the book

[@Dougretseverything]

And watched the movie great concept

[@justincruz5720]

It’s so tragic that Sam was there at the hill that night, assuming that Brian thought she was a creep. At least Brian knows the truth about the photos.

[@J101.L]

Right and the fact that her last diary entry was her pleading that Brian talks to her again, she was probably so happy and excited to clear things up with him and talk to him, just devastating that she died thinking Brian hated her.

[@coltwing6661]

This is totally worth a re-watch afterwards, the whole story has an almost new feel after you learn the truth

[@angelakorth8668]

FRR

[@devonw.1577]

Yeah! Especially Jack's speech at the end, absolutely worth it!

[@zero_s]

tbh I can't watch this video again , the ending left me unsatisfied since Kyle didn't get what he deserves.

[@qxob2123]

​@@zero_sI think he deserves mental help instead of being "punished" honestly.

[@Twoxic]

i watch this every day since i found it

[@fletch42069]

i haven’t read any comments about it so i just wanna point out the added detail of Stacy assuming Kyle was into *Sam* and not Brian (when she texted Kyle that she told Brian everything). It sheds a light on Stacy’s insecurities about not being enough for Kyle, and assumed he liked some other girl because of how distant in their own relationship (due to his obsession). Super subtle way to build more depth to every character!!

[@Multi.Fandom.]

And it helps to notice that in the town the idea of an homosexual isn't even considered, maybe that's another point to add to why Kyle has such a huge internalized homophobia.

[@lexamona96]

Dude I was looking for this/these comments! Agree

[@sorrowful5294]

Thisss that subtle detail sold it for me. The fact that she is so insecure she cannot imagine that it’s about B and not Sam.

[@daefaron]

@@Multi.Fandom. in the end his fears were real, which is sad because it drove him over the edge. Brian cared for him just as a friend, because he was heterosexual.

[@rockerojerez349]

@@Multi.Fandom. Kyle is gay ? How ?

[@penguin-schluppstudio]

The fact Evelyn went three years without spoiling this amazes me.

[@boo3070]

honestly im proud of her cuz if i knew this? id be talking about it FOREVER lol

[@Gothmothh]

Wait I’m confused

[@honeyy_thangg305]

@@Gothmothh his girlfriend/ wife ( I don’t really know sorry ) played this game ages ago on her channel and their shocked how she didn’t talk to him about the ending of the game.

[@0Flair0]

​@@honeyy_thangg305 his girlfriend I believe :) and maybe at some point in life his wife! ♥️

[@archangelvalentine]

It's love. If I love someone, I will not spoil them too lmao

[@lainetz]

4 months late but OHH MY GOD this was actually so amazing. sam mentioning that kyle and brian seemed like more than friends. the diary writer saying they could never be with brian. the closet that doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose. they're all such good hints to kyle being gay!!! its also interesting how the diary switches between using the nickname b and brians full name. maybe it's something like b is kyles idealized version of brian, vs when he writes about who brian actually is and how he actually feels?? i feel bad for every character in this story. sam got framed and discarded, brian was manipulated and probably suffers a lot of guilt, stacy was used, and kyle was terrified of who he really was. the story behind each one of them was SO GOOD RAHHH

[@fangirlandproud6442]

And I love how, esp at the start, you're like "ugh obnoxious teenagers in love, i know how *this* story is gonna go" and then *you don't*, it's absolutely beautiful!

[@Пинагод]

I find it so hard to feel bad for both Stacy and Kyle, considering Stacy herself was using others to humiliate them, and Kyle let it bottle up inside of him that he was willing to hurt a human being. Not just hurt but also humiliate her into such a tremendous degree.

[@coombers]

I could never be caught feeling bad for a murderer 💀

[@blanc__a]

no because when the "kyle and brain seemed like more than friends" phrase came up, that's when it hit me

[@dandelionbush6176]

I was late to this too I kept seeing it in my recommended and never watched it until now, and now I"m upset I never watched it before the story, the characters, it all was amazing.

[@iphisnixi]

the whole end where he was like “use these comments as your diary” and “don’t live in your loneliness” was so tear-jerking for me.

[@fleaasmcgee1271]

Same

[@anna.augustinova]

Same

[@Deceiver_yz]

same nice veliona pfp btw

[@cassandramae85]

❤️❤️❤️

[@iphisnixi]

@@Deceiver_yz tysm omg i’m surprised someone recognised it

[@ashbrooks271]

I love how the closet was openable, but empty the entire time because it was meant to be a symbol of the space Kyle was living in (the closet). So so so clever. You were waiting the entire time to find something in there, going inside sometimes, but nothing was ever in there besides you (Kyle).

[@Bandajify]

oh my god this is so right

[@adityabhalerao3364]

Underrated comment 🤌🏻

[@sbdreamey]

OH! OHMYGOD THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS?

[@softpixels8145]

that's crazy cool, and the one time you (Kyle) go into the closet, when you try and escape you still have to hide in fear

[@katchii93]

i was about to point this out as well!! kyle was figuratively and literally in the closet this whole fcking time

[@taylorcrane1342]

Why is no one talking about the editing? The way Jack’s camera flashes when he takes the pictures at 1:08:10 is so great

[@mariannethomasina7595]

the editing was so good, i loved that part

[@maggiekelley259]

Editing was so, so good

[@yjut-xm8rx]

I also liked when the text went over his camera

[@ChaseyBoyJones]

Because it's apparently so good that we don't need to talk about it, we already know the masterpiece.

[@usonohoshi6165]

Sorry. I was hiding from the possible jumpscares. But since you mentioned it. The edit is great.👌

[@benjaminbeam3786]

the way this game uses your assumptions and expectations against you is absolutely stunning. at the very beginning it almost seems like another unreal/unity indie horror game with a shallow story and common tropes but sam's diary entries are compelling enough to pull you in. then it hits you with the one two punch of societal assumptions about "crazy/obsessive" teenage girls and the assumption that both diaries are sam's, so when the truth is finally revealed it hits like a goddamn train. and the buildup to the reveal is so well-paced and well-written that once you get to the page in kyle's diary that's like "it's all HER fault" all the pieces start to fall into place and it really gives you that sense of "it all makes sense now" and makes you want to go back and see everything again to see all the foreshadowing for what it is. that level of suspense and payoff and using one tiny piece of information to reveal the entire picture is difficult to pull off in any genre and medium, and I truly don't think I've seen another horror game that does it anywhere near as well as this one, much less while still making it an effective horror game. and that's not even mentioning how real and fully fleshed out the characters are. mad mad props to the creator of this game. it's a masterpiece.

[@gimbapkidding]

seriously... it's like it's taking everything you thought you knew and just turning it all around

[@breklynmikah1941]

Couldn’t have explained it better myself

[@jakechrisco_]

Sean’s whole speech at the end shows that he’s definitely one of the good ones. He’s one of the few influencers that seems completely genuine and never fake. Someone who doesn’t make you feel small and that the simple viewer can actually connect with. Keep being you, Sean!

[@thejaded]

That's why I like him heaps because he's just real.. and that's rare.

[@SugarcatPlays]

Exactly what I base my channel on :)

[@doccalis3150]

@@SugarcatPlays quick self shoutout

[@SugarcatPlays]

@@doccalis3150 jack literally raided my stream last Christmas :) I truly base my entire belief system on how he fostered his community. Everyone is welcome here and with mine. Nothing but love 😀

[@黄慧慧]

I don’t know if the creator meant to do this but did anyone else notice the different handwritings in the letter diary vs the diary book? It’s especially noticeable if you look at the way the “a” is written. And when you find out Sam’s diary is being stolen and then find out how stacy and kyle had something to do with it, the diary handwriting changed too!!!! The a’s changed into the way Sam writes them and I feel like that’s because Kyle was so jealous and subconsciously wanted to be like her so he started to write like her too. And then at the ending when Kyle writes he confessed to clear his mind and conscious, he gets his own handwriting back.

[@0822kitten]

yeah, the different handwriting (aside from just the writing mannerisms) tipped me off pretty early that it wasn't the same person writing the main diary and the loose diary! tbh it made me feel kinda bad how much people tended to assume that both were Sam for a good chunk of the game too as a result. like no... be nice to Sam... she didn't do anything wrong... :( personally, the "m"s stood out the most to me, since Kyle's has that longer line to the side while Sam's are just plain curves! though yeah, when the book diary started matching Sam's handwriting while also referring to her as ruining everything it was like. whoa!

[@o-mangaming5042]

Considering the creator was involved in a group called the Korean Linguistics Lab, I think it's safe to assume that was on purpose.

[@twig7794]

Also, in some of the loose "journal" entries there's a lot that don't say "Love, Sam" at the end. I think that's Kyle creating fake journal pages so Brian think's Sam is crazy. Like the one in the bathroom where "Sam" relates to a crazy girl who k!lls a bunch of people, it doesn't say "Love, Sam" at the end. I think Kyle wrote that.

[@happynipplemagic]

Damn I didn’t notice that. I hope this was intentional as it is very subtle yet powerful

[@thelonelywoodstock674]

Definitely intentional, even Stacy's handwriting is different from Sam and Kyle. Her "n" is written with the line and a curve instead of the arch of Sam's and arch with a line of Kyle's.

[@SheepasaurusRex]

from a female's perspective, this is doubly terrifying because of how everyone in her school immediately believed that she was a creep and how easily kyle was able to get away with her murder. like stacey Told brian about what kyle did, and brian never went to the cops about it after sam's death??? my girl deserved so much better

[@CalmThyPalm]

I think nobody but Kyle knew that he had killed Sam. The note stating Stacy told Brian what Kyle had done seemed to relate more to the bullying and rumors, since Stacy helped Kyle frame her in all of it in his attempts to drive a wedge between Brian and Sam. It's why Kyle went on to just 'take care of things himself'. Stacy was no longer part of the equation at that point, and so couldn't have told Brian that Kyle killed Sam. The police mistaking it all for a suicide certainly didn't help anyone actually finding out either.

[@hotbread1004]

i think partly im unsure but i think brian left before sam died

[@spccew9818]

Also, keep in mind that if the police thought it was a suicide, Brian knowing what Kyle put her through would have led him to believe she killed herself from the bullying too. Kyle burned the evidence, after all. That said, I would have expected Brian to report the bullying, to confront Kyle, but it's a story, and Brian isn't a real person. Maybe you could logically say that Brian felt scared that by confronting Kyle, it would have left him trapped in Rosen Peek, that it would have ruined his chances to get out. I don't know. Sam deserved so much better though.

[@FailedNoName]

@@hotbread1004 no cause why would she go to the hill if he had moved

[@Slimeluvalllthetime]

L spoiler

[@isawebster2130]

I loved the allusion to "Misery" by Stephen King. For those that don't know, the plot centers around an obsessive stalker who kidnaps her favorite author and tortures him into writing.

[@bread4108]

I love Stacy’s character. She’s put in as this stereotypical jocks girlfriend character, but you can see how she let herself be controlled by Kyle just because she felt like she needed to be in the relationship to have an identity. Then she’s eventually able to break free of that mindset when Kyle goes too far, but her ability to break away from that inadvertently led Kyle to kill Sam. Although a minor character in the story, she plays such a massive role and written very well where she doesn’t seem to be a catalyst.

[@quinn799]

Agree but wouldn’t say she was a minor character

[@Sl3dger]

41:56

[@jakethejake1772]

She still is a terrible person tho. She roofied Sam, broke into her place, and read her diary. She only stopped when it was no longer just torturing Sam. She's fantastically written, but she's not even sympathetic like Kyle (arguably) is I dont mean any of this as an argument against what youre saying btw, im just giving my thoughts on this

[@donston5624]

Yo mind adding a spoiler warning there homie?

[@rosatopia5256]

@@donston5624 lol why you reading comments before watching the video?

[@unit38421]

When Seán goes on a tangent, explaining how he overthinks everything and how it affects his attention span, only to realize that he misread the question; Priceless 22:52

[@smolchild1057]

ADHD do be like that apparently

[@ej4361]

Yeah it does that sometimes

[@smyster]

HAHAHAH IKR I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING. love him though-🥺❤😭

[@crazy922blade]

@Some annoying person then, why are you here?

[@crazy922blade]

@Some annoying person sure, whatever helps you sleep at night

[@YeetseeBlam]

The closet's soul purpose was so Kile could "hide in the closet".

[@StormZephyr]

and then you come out at the end

[@Donnegail]

That's damn clever, I didn't even realized

[@killualuvbot]

oh damn, i never realised that!

[@IAmNotDiluc]

Oh wow, i didnt even notice that

[@DoubleDealingDisarray]

Good notice.

[@becka3627]

Loving the symbolism of hiding in the closet when told to hide

[@evangelinerohman8229]

I don’t really get that part. From reviewing the other comments, I believe it has something to do with coming out? Could you help me understand better?

[@Viddieru]

@@evangelinerohman8229 okay, so basically him hiding in the closet was symbolism for how he wasn’t out that he was gay. It’s a common thing to say about gay people who aren’t out yet, that they’re ’in the closet’. So the game was showing him hiding in the closet and not wanting to express who he was if that makes sense! :D

[@furiscafynn6275]

"I finally got the closure I deserve" Ha. Even right at the end, after all he has learnt, he's still a selfish, self-centered arse. What about everyone else's closure? Sam's family? Not a single thought for them. Not even an apology towards Sam. I think that's part of the writing, the type of person he is. I watched John Wolfe play this years ago, and he was impressed by it - really, really good game. Heartbreaking and terrifying.

[@emstink]

Yeah, Kyle is an absolute prick. Sam's mother has to live with the torment of wondering whether her daughter was _murdered_ , or whether she could have said something to stop her killing herself. And Kyle's just like "damn yo should I stop being agoraphobic or not"

[@theluiginoidperson1097]

Considering that Kyle ended up confessing to the police in the end, everybody must now know the reason behind Sam's death, and although it doesn't bring closure to everyone else, it certainly broke the barrier that would have prevented it from ever coming to them.

[@Tentegen]

lol. and John doesnt hand out W's for shit too. hahahaha. He makes you EARN it. You know his fun little gag "rEd MeAnS dAnGer YAlL"??? First time i EVER seen a "red jumpscare" got him was this game you play as a guy witch helping out a police department forsee crime activity. If JOHN gets got by a red jumpscare, YOUR GAME IS GOOD.

[@Scarshadow666]

Yeah, definitely one of my favorite playthroughs that John has done!

[@UnfazedPhoenix]

Yea! That blew my mind too. He was a narcissist. I'm not saying anything against people who struggle with their sexual identity. Kyle, as a character, really didn't learn anything.

[@moonlace3216]

Everyone’s story here is so incredibly heartbreaking…. Brian being manipulated and stalked by someone he trusted and having to move on from that kind of trauma, Sam being an outcast from the very beginning and then being killed for the one good thing to happen to her, Kyle doing horrible monstrous things because of his mental problems and internationalized homophobia…. What really makes this a tragedy is that in an ideal world where Kyle could have gotten medical help and also been accepted as who he was this whole thing probably could have been avoided…. God. Incredible storytelling, one of the best games I’ve ever seen

[@mooma10]

The part where it said "hide coward" as he hid in the closet was very well done.

[@docschaeffer3890]

spolier alerts are cool lol

[@Alex.nt.]

@@docschaeffer3890 Maybe watch the video first? That is your fault.

[@garethmurray5901]

It would've been funny if B was short for Beast, as in MrBeast.

[@txxxx0]

@@docschaeffer3890 That's kinda this whole comment section including the one you just replied to. Sorry buddy, spoiler warning for everything

[@rileycollins1024]

I feel so bad for Sam, this is messed up and just heartbreaking. Can you imagine being in her shoes? How that would feel? god, Kyle is so messed up. This game made me feel so many emotions, anger, sadness, heartbreak. It is so well put together, I wish we could see this in like a movie format

[@kursed2.01]

From memory there have been a few Cold case tv series episodes similar to this. With how this game was done, I'd like to see it as a film one day too

[@rileycollins1024]

@Maxine Hailey maybe don’t read the comments mid-way through- this is what people do after they watch a KZbin video. They leave comments about how they feel about what they watched-

[@rileycollins1024]

@Maxine Hailey and I’m not the only one who does this, the entire comment section is full of them. 💀

[@rileycollins1024]

@Maxine Hailey plus. That wasn’t a spoiler, you want spoilers? Keep scrolling you’ll find them :)

[@barletproductions]

I know right, the only thing I know close to this is Carrie in how the victim was basically killed because of someone else being jealous and the person they almost frame was the one they both loved, only in Carrie she lived to get revenge and it was soooo good to see happen

[@lemonshark35]

the small detail of kyle coming out of the closet after the scene of the burning diary and note is kind of funny and very impressive

[@TheNoziDam]

"Don't live in your loneliness. Don't allow yourself to be completely consumed by being alone and think that that's the only thing your life is going to be. Because it's not. There are people who will listen." I didn't expect myself to suddenly start crying at this. Thank you, Sean.

[@snowjewl12]

Thank you for putting this in writing. I felt it too 💜

[@rockerojerez349]

@@snowjewl12 yeah it's amazing 😍 But this games it's very scary but why kyle kill Sam ?

[@justincruz5720]

Wholesome.

[@dark_neverland]

30+ years of experience have taught me otherwise but the sentiment is appreciated & will resonate with others who need it

[@christine4223]

There truly are people who will listen and understand from personal experience. They will not judge either.

[@tarian1316]

The way he just started talking at the end completely broke me man. so many creators just end the video when they’re done with the game but the fact that he takes the time to just say what’s on his mind means so fucking much to me and I couldn’t even tell you why .

[@amyjeanc5398]

One of the huge reasons I love Sean!! Everyone else wouldn't talk at that length about the games they play.

[@2006lightblue]

Much of what he said at the end really hit me hard. Particularly as a guy who only came out in his 30s, but struggled with feelings all my life…

[@m.mallecho]

It's because it shows how much he genuinely cares for people in general and wants his community to be a safe and healing space for others.

[@lazekozuya]

Big respect to jack to talk about his analysis and how he empathizes with people who have different struggles compared to his own circumstances

[@lil_boi_sev3586]

I love how I went from “Oh, it’s Sam, a crazy girl with a crush” to “Oh, it’s Brian, being stalked” to “Oh? Is it Stacy? Does she somehow like Brian? Is that why she thinks it’s wrong? Because she’s with Kyle?” to “ Gosh, Kyle? Now I get why Stacy said she’d stop doing thing for you- Doesn’t help that you’re a psycho narcissist with a ton of self-hatred, jealousy and spite” I love the mystery of who the diary belonged to, it made it so awesome- And now I’m gonna watch one of Sean’s meme time videos so I don’t get paranoid and stay up all night Edit: A door is open that I swear I closed. I swear on Sam’s diary I closed that door.

[@DOTMDeath]

Remember that Kyle never told Brian that was him so he probably still thought that it was Sam

[@hirukashiro5995]

@@DOTMDeath No. At the end Stacy told Brian everything that Kyle did. So Brian knew. It was what made Kyle went nuts and decided to kill Sam, because his secret was spoiled by Stacy to Brian and Brian stopped talking to him

[@epic5895]

I know right? It's such great storytelling. I NEED more horror games that can both tell a well-written touching story and can also be terrifying. I love this game so much and it especially hits home as a queer person myself.

[@lil_boi_sev3586]

@@epic5895 Yes, I’m sure most of us can find Kyle’s situation a tad relatable. Maybe not the crazy, pushing Sam off a cliff bit, but the not being able to be true to yourself and maybe even the intense jealousy of the person who can freely be with that one person for you. I wish he had someone who he could really talk to.

[@logie_bogie12-49]

@@hirukashiro5995 but also remember he didn't try to kill Sam it was an accident but he never called anyone or help Sam so he still fucked up

[@btsxskz7866]

The fact Kyle started as such a side character to him being more included than I thought crazy

[@raidenshoguns]

the plot twist of making you think it’s sam’s diary the whole time but finding out that it’s kyle’s, this “side character” who was mentioned the least, only further shows how kyle’s struggle was so hidden and how alone and insignificant he must’ve felt on top of the guilt of his sexuality and his jealousy that consumed him all because he felt he couldn’t be himself and accept his feelings he had for brian, and was so repressed to the point that he can’t even say his name is his diary and can only refer to him as “B”, whereas sam fully refers to him as brian in all her diary entries.

[@pondo3386]

So he was gay

[@raidenshoguns]

@@pondo3386 yes and he had internalised homophobia

[@hate6crew6death6roll]

i said this earlier, but depends on the creator i found, some cottoned on that it could be kyle earlier than the reveal and those some were LGBT, so i think it shows how some people would think 'oh they are just friends' but LGBT people are able to also think 'perhaps this is more than friendship kyle is feeling', its a very unique game in that aspect and love it. because even sean here went through a checklist almost of who it could be but forgot kyle as a candidate too in the story. Very unique and good for people to remember that this kind've thinking could have been happening from someone you would never have thought of in your school being LGBT but being so far back in the closet. A fair few fellow LGBT friends from my school said they had GF's in other schools, only for them to come out after school was finished and find out they were going out with another person in your year and alot of people being totally surprised.

[@txxxx0]

Yea and when you remember all the things Sam wrote about Kyle - how he kept staring at her and would always get Brian to skip school with him. I suspected for a bit that Stacy was writing the diary when Jack found the article on Sam's death. Her name would've fit with "SB" and it was mentioned Kyle kept looking at Sam. Turned out to be much sadder

[@raidenshoguns]

@@hate6crew6death6roll yes and as a queer person myself i definitely feel like it shows the impact that homophobia and stigmatisation of lgbt people can have on those in the lgbt community and create feelings of internalised homophobia which can be so destructive, even despite not explicitly mentioning it in the game. it’s so well done

[@Mrscarmenvegadeck]

I hate when I’m like “I’m not gonna get scared” immediately gets a jump scare after 🤣 love the long episodes! So immersive and the scares are genuine!

[@wiccanamantis2007]

The replys on this is concerning 😭

[@ThatSentinel]

@@wiccanamantis2007 concerning is an understatement...

[@wiccanamantis2007]

@@ThatSentinel agreed

[@decayingfairy3996]

reporting these replies…

[@justaregularbean8861]

Idk, i noticed i completely stopped being scared of videos, except mandela catalogue, i just cant watch it at night

[@jakeluebbert3500]

You know you've found a good game when Jack finishes it and there's still 10 minutes left in the video for him to talk about how great it was.

[@moeshrooms385]

Absolutely^^

[@simonaeaton2217]

This game is excellent because it makes you empathize for everyone, even the “bad” characters. They are so deep, and 3 dimensional. So many layers to each of them. And the raw emotions each character shows in each part of the story is so realistic. I can literally feel each of their feelings when you’re reading their notes/texts. Loved it. 10/10. This game brought me to tears

[@gimbapkidding]

Exactlyy! You can tell it's so good because you get all these different perspectives, even at one point of the game you're thanking Stacy, the full on enemy of Sam, for telling Brian the secret!

[@tyra2422]

Haven't seen anyone talk about this, but the section where it says 'hide coward' and it immediately frames the character to hide in the closet?? Fantastic little moment. This game was really good, really enjoyed watching sean play this!

[@m.mallecho]

Omgggg I totally missed the double meaning of that until I read your comment! That's what I get for watching this while cooking. XD

[@herwormlord1603]

Oh my goodness, you are so totally right!

[@ephraimjohnson8146]

The "subtle horror that grows into a steady terror" story is much needed in the horror genre. Kyle slowly went from angry and jealous to homicidal. It shows how these feelings can grow and change and turn into something truly terrible, can twist someone beyond the point of recognizing themself anymore. Just wow. This game was phenomenal.

[@DianeJudithRP]

I love the "steady terror" so much. There's just so few horror games/movies that manage to maintain a consistent level of dread instead of just relying on jumpscares all the time. I felt uneasy for the whole video. There's this feeling that the threat is constant even though it's not immediate (like with something chasing you, although there were some of these sequences here).

[@violet26rose]

As someone who was the target of some pretty vicious bullying as a kid, Sam's story hits home especially hard. Sam didn't do anything wrong, she was just different. After a lot of work I've learned that the same is true for me. Such a heartbreaking game all around. It seemed like Kyle had not only his own internalized fear and homophobia to deal with, but also some pretty severe psychosis? Still unforgivable. Still wretched. But so, so sad.

[@tryingnot2bdumb]

yess. im glad youre kind to yourself💗💙

[@FailedNoName]

I don't even think it was cause she was different... It's cause she liked a guy who had a crazy stalker

[@doeydays1490]

The worst in she did was like an innocent friggin picture of her favorite dude at a ball game, poor gal

[@idiotoninternet]

@@FailedNoName Brian having a stalker is obviously what lead to her tragic death but the bullying was happening despite that. It happened at her old school due to her dad then at her new school with the popular girl. Seemingly because she was shy and studious and came from out of town. Sam did nothing wrong and didn’t deserve this in the slightest. Being shy or “different” isn’t a bad thing but sadly people get bullied for it. Just like the original commenter mentioned, and I also was bullied for it. What happened to Sam in this story is obviously next level

[@Ilive_420]

@@idiotoninternet This. I actually did a little accidental "experiment" in elementary school. I'm an introvert, but I was in a group of extroverted friends and I felt always like a third wheel and so tired. So I befriended introvert there and that's when bullying started lol. Not from the group of friends, the girls were nice, but once the extroverted boys saw I became quiet they thought I was an easy target Ig.

[@shortnstout7476]

The realization of it being two separate journals hit me harder than anything has in a long time. I wanted to cry so much- I don't wanna spoil it too much for anyone reading the comments during the video but my God

[@gremlinboy]

“There’s always more than one side to the story” personified in a game, and well done too-

[@jameshalman8958]

The bathroom scene where his face cam blinks to the flash is 10/10 immersion

[@clairoswife]

am i the only one whi doesnt see this? that isnt happening

[@michael_krueger]

@@clairoswife 1:08:15

[@Adahy_Bullet]

Honestly agreed. That part was pretty great.

[@riyy3333]

I loved that part too! It's so cool how Sean's editor implemented that

[@milleniajc12]

"Don't live in your loneliness" "You deserve someone who likes you back" I wish childhood/teenage me had heard these. I eventually figured it out and love my life now, but I really struggled in my younger years. I hope others take it to heart

[@coltinwright1603]

I did the same, jack was my only friend outside of school for months, I closed myself off and it sucked 😅

[@snowjewl12]

I hear you, but even as a stranger who doesn’t know you personally- you deserve so much good and things always get better 💜 glad to hear you love your life now. Wishing you the best.

[@grodygibsonlcd8038]

I feel this. In the beginning of the video I was like “Huh.. Some of this is pretty relatable” Then it just FLIES off the rails perfectly. Still needed to watch this anyways, I’m STILL going through some weird funky relationship stuff.

[@kshitijrai8840]

I am 17 and I don't think I deserve love let alone believe anyone loves me.

[@samvision98]

@@kshitijrai8840 Well you're wrong one day someone will love you just as much as you love them, it might not be today or tomorrow but one day you will, take it from a veteran loner this is no way to live, I still struggle but I'm not giving up and neither should you, I don't know you and I'm not going to pretend understand what you're going through but I know that if you give up this is the end of the game, so DO NOT GIVE UP, you and I WILL LOVE AND BE LOVED by people that value us just as much as we value them.

[@cinthiasauerland330]

Came here for a fun scary time with our boy, and I left it with a full heart and tears. Love the mental check-in at the end. "Don't live in your lonliness." Fucking love this community.

[@makailynthesizzler]

Been struggling a lot lately. The part where Sean was talking about humans needing struggles, really hit hard. Thank you for the awesome video

[@AbBeiBei526]

You got this, we got this! We will get through these necessary struggles together ❤️ 💪

[@celine2760]

You're loved and you're so strong I believe in you, you got thiss!

[@thelaughingrouge]

I fought a hard battle for almost 9 years, it was awful but now it's over and things are looking great. What I'm saying is you'll get through it. It may not be tomorrow or even this year but the night doesn't last forever, the morning WILL come, hang in there, you got this.

[@ni__wolf143]

Sorry, I'm not really good at generic inspirational messages :/ I'm familiar with struggling though! If that matters.

[@peachyski8268]

@clon insert// one hateful comment that is unhappy with themselves to the point they have to say this on a normal KZbin video

[@Crowken_]

This was terrifying, not because of the jumpscares though. It was terrifying because it crafted such a good narrative with many unseen twists that left you in dread for Sam, rather than the initial fear and disgust you had from her stalking habits. It's really sad to see that she went through so much shit with her father and she just wanted to move away from it all. In doing so, she met a guy she fell in love with and from there she could've made peace and moved on to a happier life. But someone filled with jealousy not only made her and everyone else hate her, but also took any chance she had from living a normal life. It's scary because it's real. People are awful and will do awful things for their own gain. It's devastating how cruel people can be.

[@The_SaneHatter]

You're entirely right. We're not afraid of something because it can cause pain or looks creepy, we're afraid of something because of the thought that it might be real.

[@weedjesus5587]

jack perfectly summerising what everyone does on bookreports while never having to do one is gold

[@ashanddoodles13]

seriously it's so funny that he does that, but I love his summaries

[@midnights2631]

Poor Sam, she really didn't deserve such a fate and horrible bullying. She just wanted a happy life. I feel a bit bad for Kyle because he didn't know what do with his feelings for Brian, as someone's who gay I had trouble realizing I liked women. But it's no excuse for what he did, he ruined Sam's life and killed her.

[@gamemakerloch6964]

I feel no sympathy for Brian. He did all of this to himself. He never took the price yet somehow got pissed when someone else took it. He killed a girl for no good reason and then spent 3 years making himself beleive he was the victim.

[@midnights2631]

@@gamemakerloch6964 I think you mean Kyle? But I do get what you mean, I hope he suffers for the rest of his life

[@gamemakerloch6964]

@@midnights2631 Oh my god thank you, i DID mean kyle.

[@midnights2631]

@GAMEMAKER LOCH Don't worry, I get the names mixed up as well sometimes lol. I almost wrote Brian too when I first wrote it.

[@Adriftbee02]

Holy fuck, I have never seen a horror game done so well, the amount of emotions that hit throughout the whole thing is insane. I have to take a bit of time to calm down.

[@zachariebourgeois5510]

sameeee, I put some smooth music and wrote a big comment lmao.

[@tryingnot2bdumb]

seriously!

[@elevenlemons489]

I love how Jack’s webcam goes dark like the room, only being illuminated when he flashes the camera at 1:08:36. Clever editing

[@johnnyvalencia4164]

I didn’t notice this, thats amazing

[@autisticgamer24]

I just love how Robin edit that in so well.

[@kevokev4009]

Or extra

[@cherrywhine]

loved that so much. so much extra effort for Robin but it makes you feel more unnerved

[@shanag9359]

This game was transcendent in the horror genre. A lot of care really went into this plot and it felt personal. I think it's lovely that we are in a place where everything horror related doesn't have to be jump scares or complicated monsters or even the types of stories we've heard over and over again. This was refreshing. This game also took place almost exclusively in one small space. It felt like the developer used that to their advantage. I have claustrophobia and while this was nothing compared to being stuck in a tube slide (for example) the feeling was very present. Great work all around! I hope this developer is working on more titles.

[@Jds_7]

I really liked the ambiance of the game. In fact, I like psychological horror games in general since PT, Layers of Fear and Devotion. Surely Love Sam is added to my list

[@MissSirenita]

This felt like a novel that I couldn’t look away. It unfolded in front of me. I love that it was unpredictable too. I did not see that coming. I expected an over obsessed girl confused about her emotions who unalived herself. However, being in the queer community, it’s tough man. I had teachers and principles pray the gay away as I was thrown into a religious (cult) school. I felt like an abomination. I empathize with Kyle but also, Sam lost her life too early. Man, emotions go away! Legit I am going to cry if I continue to think about this. So good.

[@Velkeem]

When a game you expect to be a quick little horror story goes down a much deeper rabbithole of self-loathing, guilt, shame, manipulation, and unrequited love turned to obsession. Damn good game.....damn good

[@m0nstrcndy]

so true!!

[@Cenosyr]

@jacksepticeye - Jack, I'm a 35 year old guy who generally considers himself too old to be running around leaving comments on youtube videos - but your words about not living in loneliness really touched me, and I am sitting here writing this with tears in my eyes. Thank you for taking the edge of what has been a long period of feeling desperately alone. Don't ever doubt that what you do has an impact; it does. Love, Someone who isn't called Sam.

[@angelakorth8668]

[@devonw.1577]

I'm 32 and, after divorcing a "romance con artist" (think Tinder Swindler), I also went through a low point. I know that I'm a victim, but my own patterns and behaviors also led to me being deceived, and I don't want to be a lonely victim any more. After the video, at Jack's urging, I made a point to reply that you're not the only one. I think one thing we have in common is focusing on our age. We're both in our 30's and feeling so different than what we thought our 30's "should" be. (At least, this is the case for me). But we learn things from our loneliness - for example, a sense of empathy - that other people never learn. And they learn things we never learn, too, when they follow a more "typical" path (as a woman, I tend to think about marriage and kids, despite being different in my bisexual / polyamorous identity). I'm going on a bit at this point - using it as a bit of a diary like Jack said, lol - but I just wanted to support the community and say that you're not the only one! Let's move our best to move from "desperately alone" to just "alone" to, finally, satisfied and content within ourselves. Feel free to reach out if you want. Best of luck to both of us!

[@dj_des_u_s]

1:47:26

[@rosieloosemore6859]

You're never too old to leave comments on KZbin videos, my guy :)

[@sophiapisani2810]

@M0t3_ I know I am currently 3 months late on this video, but I hope this helps you out of those lonely times. But I once heard from a close friend of mine to not bottle stuff up, I now understand I'm late on that lesson just like how I am 2 months later replying to this, but I feel that. I was actually about to fall asleep but when I heard him say that I immediately went to the comments, but now I am getting off track, I think I suffered with depression for most of my life but I never got it checked because I was told by a person that if I was to say what I was feeling it would make me sound crazy, but I am now 21 years old and I have a baby boy I was so happy at first but it all went down hill from there I went to the doctor and they labeled me with major depression. But what I was going to say is that you are not alone, we are all going through different stages of our own type of hell and with our own types of devils, I'm sorry for the long reply love, that person that was up way past her schedule to go to sleep.

[@olhazakharova9304]

I feel so sorry for Brian too. When you're suddenly loosing someone important you inevidably blame yourself for not doing something to prevent it. Worst of all first he must have blamed himself for mistreating Sam and causing her to end her life. But imagine how he felt when he found out the truth after Kyle turned himself in. Blaming one self is a very destructive reaction to loss. And the worst part of it? Nobody can reason with you and persuade you that it's not your fault. I still blame myself and keep thinking if I could do more. War took a lot from me. I constantly feel either guilty of not doing more or completly helpless, like I am watching the storm take away what I love with no means to stop it.

[@kylethejudge]

Losing

[@olhazakharova9304]

@@kylethejudge yeah, when a Ukrainian shares their experience regarding loss and guilt the best thing you can do is to grammar correct them.

[@taeyongscheeks]

Well there is different people that Deal with ut differently and in this game it shows both Sam blaming herself and Kyle blaming others. As someone who does both it is weird. But I guess at some point people blame both sides. So that is one of the reasons why I don't see a difference between someone taking someones life if it is their own or others. Overall we see that going insane can result into many things. The human being judgemental and never admitting that the problem is humanity but some imaginary god. I don't believe in religion but I don't believe either us humans being the best living being... Sorry if it might seem like I am down playing one of these things but I don't believe in good or bad. Maybe one of the reasons why us humans go insane. So yeah sorry for writing about this stuff. If you felt uncomfortable reading this I am truly sorry :) Have a great day or night

[@devonw.1577]

@@taeyongscheeks Respectfully, did I read correctly that you think taking their *own* life vs. killing someone else aren't different?? They are absolutely different. Taking one's own life might come from poor judgment, mental illness, lack of sanity etc., but at least it's something they want in the moment. Murder victims don't want to die whatsoever. So your comment is a little confusing, because the two kinds of loss are COMPLETELY different, like factually.

[@taeyongscheeks]

@@devonw.1577 I am talking about the person killing not the person dying. Yeah maybe the one killing someone else is dead inside actually. It is the same for the person killing loosing sanity just different people havd different ways dealing with it

[@combatwombatus]

I actually appreciate Jack waiting to play this game because it feels like he's matured a lot more and has more meaningful things to say than he did when he was younger

[@Sasukeheart2]

"Don't live in your loneliness. Don't allow yourself to be just completely consumed by being alone and think that that's your life is going to be, because it's not, there are people that will listen." Amazing quote Jack, holy hell. That feeling of isolation and reaching out to others is the source of this community. You're a fantastic person. (:

[@DraugrCorpse]

That gave me shivers

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..]

He said complete facts and yet i cant believe that and i dunno how to reach out. Regardless, hes such a wise man

[@sammarina2259]

I felt this when he said that🥲❤️

[@e-f-f-y6781]

I've been incredibly lonely lately because of life stuff, so that comment just hit me hard. Sometimes it's hard for us to see there's more to life than our immediate situation, but I have to remind myself it will pass.

[@the29thPanda]

1:48:00 :)

[@D3AD3ND3D]

Man when Sean said "don't live in your loneliness..." I started crying. This game kinda hit home for me. I am a very lonely person, have had people in my life that I care for lost. Went through the having a crush on my friend thing (he's straight) him leaving and me feeling empty. I do feel for Kyle but I know he went a very unhealthy route. It sucks 😞 I honestly don't have words to say about this game besides that it's really good. I hope everyone is keeping safe and if you ever do need help never be afraid to find it. Someone is always there to listen even if it's a stranger.

[@saibaleonhart]

Sending good vibes to you. It's not a great space we're in but I do hope you have a good day nonetheless

[@eddieisverygay7937]

I relate so much to this comment it hurts, also had a crush on a straight guy but only recently let it go.

[@KingDeschain]

I always appreciate Sean's analysis of games after he plays them. He offers insightful comments that are more than just "that was fun, go check it out" or "don't recommend" and shit like that. He offers genuine praise and criticisms each time. Love it and will continue to watch you play through any game man

[@omor3714]

I'd like to see his reaction to the truth in the game called Omori. He said he wouldn't play it since it was long but the ending is something else I'd be really interested in hearing his thoughts about it.

[@zieza5676]

after starting college, i realize just how lonely i was and how i still am. i turned to watching content creators because of how real they seemed and how unlonely i felt watching. i greatly appreciate the outlet here. i genuinely get teary-eyed seeing these heart-to-hearts in videos because i never got these from anyone - family or friends.

[@av2279]

I hope your situation has improved!

[@justaneimand2925]

i hope you're doing all good now buddy.

[@danas5846]

this is my exact situation too. hope ur doing well

[@noirneko9697]

I feel you. The streamers I watch make me feel less lonely and fill a quiet I can't handle most off the time

[@whisperingwind4455]

I love how the game is framed bc it’s specifically talking about mental issues and mental battles, allowing it to be encapsulated in one single room and to add more weight to the meaning of the game. This game was Kyle’s mental struggle with himself and what he did. It wouldn’t have hit so hard if it wasn’t written down and a heavy on reading game. You get trapped like Kyle in the drama and jealousy in a room of your own. It was beautifully written and gave me chills. I love psychological horror games like this bc it goes deeper than just sudden jumps from the dark. It messes with your head and allows you to see darker things that you’d refuse to see before.

[@christansanchez8686]

So Kyle has feelings for B? Is that why he frames her?

[@whisperingwind4455]

@@christansanchez8686 yes, he is struggling with internalized homophobia and taking it out on others

[@mothsocks881]

the symbolism of having to hide in the closet is so genius

[@juliadarling8868]

Haha wow I didn't even think of that. Makes me want to rewatch the video with the knowledge of everything being from Kyle's POV to see how the tone of the diary entries changes.

[@majesticmuffin2018]

Oh my god I just realized that!!

[@Nitrinoxus]

I feel like it wasn't that many horror games ago that Sean was talking about how _awful_ it'd be to be both stalked _and_ haunted at the same time. _Funny_ how life works sometimes.

[@Kels.Renee5]

you can tell this game really stuck with Sean and really affected him and got into his head, which i love when games can do that. like really reach us and make us feel whatever. incredible game. when Sean started getting teary, i got teary. just wow. was not expecting that ending!

[@laachm]

the part where kyle writes “i am the victim in this” made my heart hurt so much… something about the person that did such horrific things to another still feels so miserable enough to feel the need to victimize himself is so painful… amazing game, a painful story told so emotionally and sean istg ur reactions and insights always comfort me in these types of games, great job :D

[@Falls628]

so it makes you feel bad for him when he thinks he is the victim and not the person who he killed seems like he is a sociopath

[@kiwismh3037]

@@Falls628 Definitely not a sociopath. Terrible person who did terrible things, but that doesn’t mean that the idea of someone struggling with internalized homophobia, drug abuse, and psychosis to that level is not deeply deeply sad.

[@Ilive_420]

It made me fking angry. One thing I hate more than petty messed up killers is killers that victimize themselves. Can't see how it was painful, I'm glad he's miserable lol. At least some karma for Sam, would have been worse if it ended well for him, no??

[@Ilive_420]

@@kiwismh3037 Definitely a monster. Person's emotions and inner struggles do not give him the right to do this to someone. Or for other's to feel sad for him. That feels like such a slap to Sam and many women who died bc of men's feelings.

[@voodoodummie]

I suspect it is (written as) a coping strategy. He cannot deal with the idea of being a terrible person, so he seeks refuge in being the victim. Feeling like a bad person is uncomfortable, and the brain wants to avoid that. It is one of those things that are understandable, but not agreeable.

[@joshuaorion1263]

my heart honestly hurts for every character in this game. Sam had such a sad life, and as someone with a father in prison for the same stuff, i feel for her greatly. Brian lost his mom, and then only a year later lost what sounds like the first person he showed romantic interest in due to the betrayal of his closest friend. And Kyle I feel for immensely. To suffer from not only some pretty intense internalized homophobia in such a small town but also some severe psychosis, it really makes what happened to all of them a true tragedy. I'm lucky enough to have gotten help while dealing with those things myself, and even to this day I struggle with it, even with my highschool sweetheart/gay awakening now being my husband. It really makes me feel for him, because in another world, I couldve spiraled just the same and I thank the stars every day that I didnt.

[@snowjewl12]

I agree- every character really struggles so much in this story and the whole thing is just heartbreaking. I appreciate your comment; it really adds to the humanization of these characters, even Kyle, who in the end was so misunderstood and tormented by his own feelings and actions. I’m sorry to hear you’ve had such a difficult journey yourself, with your family history and internalized homophobia, and I want to let you know I’m proud of you for working on and accepting those parts of yourself. It’s so difficult to work through those kinds of things and you’re so strong!!! I hope you’re doing well now and that life only continues to surprise you with how wonderful it can be.

[@unknxwnlxve]

don’t understand how you can feel for kyle. he ruined someones life and killed her. internal homophobia, sad. but not enough to pity a sick human like that

[@unknxwnlxve]

okay let me rephrase this bc i feel for you. i just don’t understand the immensely part. like sean at the end even said “excusing nothing he did”. like your comment just straight up seems like you feel for him and dont care that he went insane and killed a girl

[@Multi.Fandom.]

@@unknxwnlxve Bro, chill.

[@joshuaorion1263]

@@unknxwnlxve I say I feel for him because I've faced many of the same struggles and understand how easy it is to spiral into insanity when facing things like psychosis with a lack of support or mental health care. I was lucky to have my friends and mother to get me the care I need, but even today i still struggle with hallucinations and delusions, even when on meds and in therapy. I by no means excuse what he did, nor did I say that I thought what he did was alright. If you didnt notice, I started my comment talking about how I relate to Sam as well, and touch on Brian's situation too. I simply feel that this story is more complex and deep than just "bad scary man kills girl kuz hes crazy". Describing the game as such and minimizing Kyle to nothing but a purposeless killer is a disservice and an insult to the storytelling the developer clearly put so much hard work into.

[@koolcatcole]

Honestly this is such a good game, and while Kyle was a terrible person with his decisions, it really does hit home with the idea of being gay and not being able to tell some for the fear of driving them away. You encapsulated that struggle well when discussing it at the end even if you haven’t experienced it yourself.

[@Jane-ow7sr]

I dont think it was coming out to Brian tho. Yes before Brian drama he probably wanted to come out but he was trying to live normally get a girlfriend (who might've known he was gay seeing how queer their texts were). But once Brian drama started it was a sideline issue and S n B were the bigger issue.

[@phoeberrie]

don’t make me cry in an amusement park line bro

[@coolworms7297]

did u have fun?

[@lorenzo.802]

why is u watching a 2 hour vid in an amusement paro

[@Mel-xz1fe]

@@lorenzo.802 those queues are crazy long

[@gimbapkidding]

this video is like 2 hours long, you managed to watch in the amusement park line..?

[@jnoelleart]

@@gimbapkidding to be fair some rides have crazy wait times

[@Anarchyerasure]

The book : there came a knock on the door Jack : don't do this to me

[@IGYLAF]

@Lucas Garcia Shut.

[@ashleyr6809]

@@IGYLAF don't reply. Just report

[@IGYLAF]

@@ashleyr6809 👌

[@moonshineaudios5740]

@@IGYLAF omg this reminded me of the seagull meme saying shut XD

[@Anarchyerasure]

@@moonshineaudios5740 oml 🤏🐤 ( there was no seagull emoji )

[@Kyd_Cooper]

Sean should definitely make a podcast. Listening to his voice in the review afterwards is so calming and refreshing. Plus the things he's talking about are actually meaningful. Love you Sean.

[@sickzselebrity2232]

This would be a nice addition to his channel.

[@anastasiaklimashevskaya3298]

I loved a lot the interviews that he did with some people as well, he sounds like not only a great talker, but a very good listener as well

[@canufen7350]

I was thinking the same thing because everytime he makes a video with a good story he always ends it with a comforting conclusion

[@simonghoul3602]

Watch PowerWash Pals on Markiplier's channel then, it's pretty good

[@Ezralynnnn]

sean: “thats so weird” *paper casually pins itself perfectly to the board* also sean:”eh that’s normal”

[@gjdkbfam7318]

E

[@kshitijrai8840]

E

[@Childe_Tartagli4]

@@gjdkbfam7318 I have a translate to English option for “E” and it translates to “AND” w h a t.

[@UnknownZYX_4085]

@@Childe_Tartagli4 E

[@Halfdanimations]

timestamp?

[@thesaltywatermelon]

God, I love whoever made Jack's face disappear and reappear in the bathroom in time with the camera flashes! So incredibly amazing!

[@cece-tp6zq]

Incredible game, extremely heartbreaking. All the characters in the story had horrible things happen to them. Sam already had a lot of shitty things happen to her and didn’t deserve to be isolated again. She didn’t deserve to be betrayed and killed. Brian finally connected with someone but she was supposedly someone else entirely. To him, she appeared to be a psychotic stalker. Later, he found out that Kyle had done everything. Now, he has to live with the guilt of turning his back on Sam when she was all alone. And Kyle, as much as I want to hate him I can’t. He was suffering with his own demons. If he could have gotten help everything could have been prevented. Kyle’s internalized homophobia and mental health problems are heartbreaking to think about.

[@daefaron]

It's sad how in the end, every fear kyle had was true. But his own problems twisted it all into a huge mess. At least in the end he admitted everything, which could help him heal and pay at least from what he did to Sam.

[@rockerojerez349]

@@daefaron yeah but what happen Stacy and Brian ?

[@kasukp]

not only did he have to live with the guilt of turning his back, since soon after that Sam disappeared and died as a victim of suspected suicide, he had to live feeling responsible for her death. for, as the diary points out, THREE YEARS

[@julius879]

All my homies hate Kyle. But seriously, he is nothing but a selfish and evil brat

[@julius879]

But then again, Sean had some good points at the end...

[@steve_cat5504]

The end where Jack talks a bunch is really wholesome. Its feels nice to see someone (or rather hear someone) say stuff like that. Also Jack was right everyone did write massive comments...

[@angelakorth8668]

frrr. but i love it

[@mielthebee]

Oops

[@Pokefreak951]

The ad break popping up while Jack was staring at the camera saying ‘Don’t look away’ actually got me 😂

[@monday8529]

Same. Made me laugh though

[@TheArtsyIdiot]

I love how supportive Sean is about the LGBTQ community and other people in general, there arnt a lot of people who are that supportive over all people from all groups

[@theflyingdude6523]

This game was awesome, the only downside I'd say is that some people will be turned off by how much it's circled around reading. But it did a phenomenal job at it and didn't get boring.

[@Laney.R00]

@Some annoying person it’s too bad you didn’t get the attention you were looking for. Learn to troll better.

[@kshitijrai8840]

@Some annoying person your mom is not good giving birth to a disappointment.

[@Anon12077]

Damn the realization that the main diary is not Sam was like, phenomenal writing. This is how you do a twist- everything FEELS like it makes sense as you're going along, but then the twist happens, recontextualizes everything we thought we knew, and suddenly EVERYTHING changes and it all just clicks perfectly.

[@nestfourthreetwoone]

I love the distinction between Brian and B in the diary. Brian is the friend Kyle knew in real life and B is the idealistic obsession that Kyle fell in love with.

[@NottherealLucifer]

You mean in the two different diaries, right? B is still just Brian, Kyle just had a nickname for him because they've been friends like their whole lives. Kyle doesn't describe B in a unrealistic way that doesn't jive with reality, his desires for B to love him are the unrealistic part.

[@CJhasgoneidle]

@@NottherealLucifer Kyle's diary still sometimes refers to Brian as "Brian" when talking to him interacting with other people/outside of his fantasy of Brian. Brian only becomes "B" when Kyle is talking about how much he loves and admires and wants Brian. Admittedly, that's the majority of his diary, but still - the distinction is there in Kyle's diary.

[@The__Pengwin]

I rewatched this and my heart still shattered after seeing Sam being killed and suffer the rumours .