Healing from Trauma - with Steve & Pauline Richards, and Prof. Erik Goodwyn, MD

[@Spectre2434]

Perfect Timing!

[@theimaginarium]

A wizard is never late...nor is he early. He arrives on KZbin precisely when he means to!

[@thyself8004]

Dr. Goodwyn, the insights you brought to this discussion were absolutely brilliant. This video feels like the synthesis of all the other ideas that were brought up in the other videos you’ve done with JTLB. I absolutely love your contributions both to this channel and to the field of psychology as a whole.

[@zero-tension3180]

This might just be my favorite talk with Prof Goodwyn to date. I found the conversation and comments around context and meaning particularly resonant and immediately-attention grabbing. It's as though opening the door to context and meaning takes the conversation to a different depth and breadth completely. I think my ears might actually physically perk up each time I hear them. Thanks for another great talk JTLB and IPSA

[@theimaginarium]

Wow, this is great to hear. So glad you liked it.

[@nordkm5464]

The videos with Prof Goodwyn are so good. Looking forward to more!

[@theimaginarium]

There's lots more in the works...but if you want to hear more from me, The Imaginarium may hold you over :)

[@ILikeFeelingElectric]

I’ve been loving these videos with Professor Goodwyn. Very informative!

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi again, I Like Feeling Electric, its a great pleasure to have Professor Goodwyn on board with both IPSA and JTLB. Kindest Regards, Steve and Pauline🙏🙏

[@omarbaidaq1824]

This was a wanderful conversation to listen to! Prof. Goodwyn and Steve & Paulines combined knowledge, insights, experience and great rapport resulted in a highly informative and enjoyable talk. This kind of content is rare to come by so thank you all for your efforts 🙏

[@fosterellis47]

Fantastic as always! About expecting a result once the unconscious agrees to help, it seems to me that is a powerful form of respect. On the other hand, ambivalence after the unconscious agrees is down right rude. Thank you all for the insights.

[@theimaginarium]

True story!

[@johnbrancato495]

Not drowning in collective mythology, but using the culture and ritual as part of the healing process. Seems like the enactments that were mentioned and also Professor Goodwyn's use of ritual are both immensely helpful in their own ways. Fantastic!

[@theimaginarium]

You are so right--collective mythology has its uses, but also its limitations, too, doesn't it?

[@CaroleMora22]

Wonderful discussion. Many thanks to each of you for this amazing, stimulating, informative, substantive offering. I love the idea of "sympathetic resonance" combined with the need for vigilant differentiation. This is a hugely complex and challenging facet of depth psychological approaches to the therapeutic process.

[@JungToLiveBy]

Blessings @CaroleMora22, thank you so much for your kind words. Steve & Pauline

[@Zach0451]

Damn great talk as usual. Goodwyn always asks great questions.

[@theimaginarium]

I think the key to discovery and wisdom starts with the right question. Einstein once said if he only had an hour to save the world, he would spend the first 55 minutes making sure he had the question right, then he would spend the last 5 minutes solving the problem.

[@robertc-w2027]

This was a really inspiring conversation, thanks to all involved. I have great admiration for the work that Steve and Professor Goodwyn have done in this regard and the experiences they shared, and also for how Pauline treated these stories with dignity and respect after acknowledging that her experience of them hadn't been as direct. In terms of why the genome releases a "jolt of energy" during challenging circumstances as Prof. Goodwyn describes about halfway through, could this be because the genome perceives a chance for a person to grow into more of their potential from the experience?

[@theimaginarium]

Yes, you're exactly right--I think the genome has many, many processes just waiting to be activated when we are challenged--but the ego, being the manager of the inner and outer worlds, has to be listening and participate to get the most out of it. Growing and becoming more masterful are the goals, I think.

[@SelfImageStylist]

Interesting question. I've wondered the same thing about complexes ... 🤔

[@SelfImageStylist]

One word: HOPE

[@theimaginarium]

Hope is absolutely critical for healing.

[@SelfImageStylist]

@@theimaginarium So true! I found hope at the 1:03:34 mark, thinking of all 3 of you out there in the trenches, teaching practitioners how to avoid "creating symptoms with their words". A precursor to the next level: creating HEALING with their words. 🙏🏻

[@ernestberry-songsrestored5637]

Thank you . 🙏❤️.

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi again, Ernest Berry-Songs Resrored, thank you, Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@jamesdrew6024]

Some timeless truths make these videos well worth re-visiting. Helping someone to parse their experiences from traumatic affect and understand at a deep level that they are separate things is a genuine clinical gift. Joseph Conrad on Marlow's return to Europe in 'Heart Of Darkness' (1902): “No, they did not bury me, though there is a period of time which I remember mistily, with a shuddering wonder, like a passage through some inconceivable world that had no hope in it and no desire. I found myself back in the sepulchral city resenting the sight of people hurrying through the streets to filch a little money from each other, to devour their infamous cookery, to gulp their unwholesome beer, to dream their insignificant and silly dreams…. …. I daresay I was not very well at that time."

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi @jamesdrew6024, thanks for sharing the hard earned wisdom of your experience. Blessings, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏

[@95TurboSol]

Do you guys think this might be why there is such an emphasis in Christianity about having faith for healing? And that doubt can prevent it? It seems like a classic placebo sort of thing. I've been in and around church and Christianity my whole life and it does seem true that people get better from many things when they believe they will and don't when they doubt, I also notice a phenomenon of people getting better at faith healing conferences then the problems returning just days after it, which I'm guessing is caused by a return to previous thought habits/ doubt.

[@theimaginarium]

Well the emphasis on faith is not at all unique to Christianity, but yes, I think you're right. I get into this in great detail in my book "Healing Symbols in Psychotherapy". Placebo is actually powerful and real.

[@RoryAbcoe]

Great discussion! The fundamental nature of rapport is something I'd love to hear more follow up discussion on

[@JungToLiveBy]

Thanks Rory, that’s a very good suggestion👍. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@theimaginarium]

Absolutely. Very good idea.

[@outsiderofficialmusic]

Can the psyche disagree with what your ego might want in terms of “healing”?? And keep you in a certain state to achieve growth? I find that I have always grown or healed by accepting/ facing certain things and rarely was it a pleasurable experience. Entering the caves that I don’t want to to enter. I often felt the ego/ instincts would “take the reigns” again post healing/ growth. Almost like they are reinvigorated, like servicing or upgrading a car, into a new machine and the process begins again. We are never really free of trauma, it’s everywhere. We might pick up our sword and shield to go on our journey every time but on that path some challenging battles await us.

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi again, Outsider Official. In theory, any number of overlapping combinations of motivation are possible. These include ‘neurotic alibis’ and ‘private logic’ and ‘guiding fictions/fictional finalism’ etc. The ‘psyche’ rarely manifests as a complete system, with a single purpose. Complexes, routinely act autonomously and utilise our ‘theoretical’ understanding and beliefs to justify conditions that maintain them, contrary, to our optimal adaptation and development. So, the Ego has to accept its role in testing itself against both internal pressure and the realities of the outside world. Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏

[@outsiderofficialmusic]

Bloody complicated stuff the old biopsychosocial system eh..thank you Steven.

[@theimaginarium]

In short, I would say yes, the psyche can certainly disagree with the ego.

[@takeyouwithme743]

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[@zadaro]

In regards to the Leech book and the day long spiritual healing, are they not a self constructed haven? I understand that speaking an individuals spiritual language or simply speaking with absolute authority has its value in terms of suggestion (and it's absorption), but I struggle with the fact that there may be a more objective truth for the client to absorb and by taking the clients preferred spiritual meaning they miss an opportunity to optimize a deeper objective truth of the universe and hence find an even deeper peace in their lives. Further, I recognize that genomic capability appears to vary in this ability to absorb objective truth, so how does the therapist decide whether to challenge the client to walk another hundred miles, versus guiding them to an off ramp that is good enough. If I was to self answer this I might say it is wise to guide people to the off ramp of their current capability of reality, and if they are destined, they will find themselves back on the on ramp by their own making. Kind of like it's OK to believe in Santa Claus, and then there comes an enlightenment and one can let go of that fantasy and still find meaning in Christmas.

[@JungToLiveBy]

Hi, zadato, in a clinical context, everything is determined by the rapport field and the intentionality that emerges from within the relationship. That’s a living dynamic that unfolds moment by moment. The answer to your questions will only come from long and deep personal experience with enough people other than yourself. In the absence of that, we’re left with the abstraction of ideas that have no context other than themselves. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@theimaginarium]

I agree with Steve here

[@okay8202]

I'm still skeptical of your methods, because I feel like everything is make belief in this unexplained phenomenon that is my existence, I can not get away from this idea that there must be God, but my gosh, you've helped me more than Christianity ever did....

[@JungToLiveBy]

You’re on your journey. I wish you well. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏

[@theimaginarium]

There are 7 billion people in the world, and so 7 billion paths to the Divine. --Fr. Mark Hederman, OSB