January 18 - Henry VII and Elizabeth of York get married

[@laurawaldie456]

Thank you for this wonderful talk, Claire. I love the story of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York intermingled with the story of Edward IV, Richard III and the princes in the tower. Such a fascinating period of English history. I like to think that Henry and Elizabeth's marriage was a happy love match as well. Thanks again. You are a wonderful storyteller!!

[@daughteroftime8047]

The fact that Henry felt that a gap between winning the battle and marrying Elizabeth was necessary was quite telling in and of itself. I wonder if he ever feared her ability to claim the throne in her own right, even just a little?

[@SafetySpooon]

Once he repealed Titulus Regis, *she* was the heiress to the throne, not Henry.

[@anneboleynfiles]

I wouldn't have thought so as she was a woman and at that time women were not seen as capable of ruling.

[@mbgal7758]

If women were thought capable of ruling their son wouldn’t have been so famous. 😂

[@Jack-yf9bc]

@@mbgal7758 history would’ve sure been a lot more interesting.

[@Angie2343]

There is such a thing as sharing the crown, you know!

[@karinshepherd8398]

Thanks so much Claire. Very sad that an over 300 year dynasty of the House of Plantagenet ended in such a tawdry fashion. Richard the Third betraying his brother's trust and confidence in him as Protector of his son, only for his brother to assume the throne for himself and in all probability, dispensing of the two young Princes. Just like the Plantagenets, the Tudors were never boring and were also a mixed bag. I hope that Elizabeth of York was happy in her marriage with Henry as she'd suffered much heartreak and betrayal following her father's death. Who would have thought that two mothers were able to find the solution to reunifying England when so many royal males had been unable.

[@mbgal7758]

Karin Shepherd well if you want it done right you leave it to the women to do it. 😂

[@BlackCatMargie]

On this day in Tudor history "something GOOD happened, " TWICE! Omg! Lol!

[@shellmatheis5258]

Henry VII's portraits are always so distinctive. You'd never mistake them for anyone else.

[@marionarnott750]

I am fascinated that Henry V111, also unmistakable, so much resembled Edward 1V, Elizabeth's father, being very tall and handsome (in his younger years).

[@neilbuckley1613]

@@marionarnott750 Resembled him in Character as well. Behind a Jolly, Bluff outer persona was a very ruthless one able to order executions without concern.

[@marionarnott750]

@@neilbuckley1613 you'd wonder how these characteristics skip a generation and then reappear in the next. The old question occurs-is character formed by Nature or by Nurture? Did Edward share genes with Henry or did he share a situation in life which shaped a personality?

[@TheTam0613]

@@neilbuckley1613 Plus, both Edward 4th and Henry 8th were notorious womanizers!!

[@TheAuntieBa]

Marion Arnott Why can it not be both, or even more influences? I rather expect people to be too complex to be that limited.

[@KatherineHugs]

Just a quick suggestion, but would it be possible for you to keep a picture of the formal portraits of the subjects of your video (where applicable) in the corner of the video frame (like picture in picture)?

[@anneboleynfiles]

I'm not sure, I might be able to.

[@cathysullivan5628]

Fantastic idea!!!!! I would love seeing the faces on portrait brought back to life!! Try it a few times and see how it works!!!

[@theresecatalano4017]

A nice day in Tudor history. I think the War of the Roses 🌹 just about killed everyone off so Henry with his weak claim was about all that left!!! Thank you for sharing Claire!

[@roxymcdonald6518]

It would be great to see an accurate film of the War of the Roses 🌹 and its conclusion which was celebrated with the union of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York.

[@marymoriarity2555]

Complicated history. I’d never keep them straight. Loved the mention of Robin Hood.

[@justanothergoogler6436]

Henry VII was a boss!

[@vanessaonyenekwu531]

Henry the 8 married his dead brothers wife!

[@LB-tx6lu]

@Smiles and the Twisted MD I disagree with using Mary's nickname like that.yeah she killed hundreds of people but she didn't want to.so she didn't do it because of her desire. court forced her to do it to maintain Catholicism after her jerk father rejected pope and received protestantism.Also Elizabeth killed more than her and it doesn't matter how long difference between their reigns were because even Georgian king Tamari( who was female) banned execution and she was king for almost 40 years.So "bloody" Mary isn't a relevant nickname considering her background. And using her name the way that people may think she was a demon like her father is really unproper and every history expert admits it.other than that u're right.

[@LB-tx6lu]

@Smiles and the Twisted MD first of all,everyone has their opinion and I don't say anything if I don't think I know sm accurately. I've seen so many historians talking about the reasons why Mary killed protestants and I found those reasons logical. It of course doesn't prevent me being wrong or even history on its own. no one knows what really caused what back then and how accurate the facts people know are.Also what I said and what I think can be quite wrong because I still am a student and not English simultaneously,so it's possible that the knowledge I get on the internet is wrong and I understand it.But you,an adult woman( if it's you on your profile picture)always insult others like that only because they might be wrong(according to your opinion)?. Be respectful and give advices the right way. I'm not high and yes I will consider your roughly given advice and look through Mary's reign again to learn more.hope u will change your attitude and will show more respect towards people instead of disrespecting them and making laugh on their "wrong knowledge". P.s I'm not Catholic,I'm orthodox and even if I was is it shame to have your opinion about history?I never choose sides like that. If I think like you u must be atheist who disrespects others because of their opinions based on their beliefs. P.p.s wish u stay safe and healthy.

[@giardiallambia]

On this day in Tudor History something nice happened

[@lilchi721]

Nothing bad happend on this day in Tudor history lol.

[@queefburglar6995]

So happy when you make these videos!

[@chiaroscuroamore]

Wow! Two nice events to happen in this day in Tudor History! That’s gotta be a first! It’s indeed a pity that we don’t have any account of their wedding ceremony & the clothes they wore. Would have been lovely to know what they were wearing and any decorations they had. It’s interesting to hear about the War of the Roses and how the Tudors came to be.

[@susangavaghan]

Henry and Elizabeth did have a happy marriage and she did produce two sons. I don't believe Henry took mistresses.

[@luciadilazzaro2285]

She actually had three or four sons. Sadly two dices as babies, and Arthur died when he was 15.

[@isobelduncan]

There's no evidence that he was ever unfaithful to Elizabeth.

[@zero_bs_tolerance8646]

You didn't want to cross Elizabeth Woodville. She was a formidable woman.

[@mbgal7758]

Zero_BS_Tolerance Margaret Beaufort was one of the most cunning women in history too.

[@terrignazari6330]

If her portraits are true depictions, Elizabeth Woodville was incredibly beautiful. She also appears to have been amazingly opportunistic, shrewd and calculating. Some of her contemporáries compared her eyes to those of a dragon. That comparison may have been accurate in more ways than one.

[@mbgal7758]

Terri Gnazari I don’t doubt for a second she was not only amazingly beautiful but extremely cunning just by fact she got married to the king while the man who put him on the throne Richard Neville earl of Warwick was in France negotiating a foreign marriage that was expected of a king. Warwick was humiliated when it came out that they had married in secret. She was a widow with 2 children, not of a particularly high birth and allied with the Lancastrians. Not the foreign princess that he was expected to marry. Rumor is she pulled this off by refusing to sleep with him unless they married. She was a widow, not some young virgin, it wouldn’t have been unheard of for someone like her to become a mistress and could have done well for herself like that but she wanted more and she got it. Edward IV wanted that booty so bad he cost himself the throne for a year over it when Warwick decided to team up with Margaret of Anjou, another of history’s most crafty women, to put her husband, Henry VI back on the throne. It worked briefly but unfortunately for them Henry VI still sucked so Edward IV took back the throne a year later.

[@zero_bs_tolerance8646]

@@mbgal7758 It's too bad that women's history wasn't as documented as men's. We've missed out on so much.

[@sandilou2U]

@@mbgal7758 I think it is unfair to describe her as cunning and depict her as manipulating Edward into marrying her. It is not logical, especially considering the factors you pointed out, for us to suspect she ever intended to become Queen. I think we should hold her in high regard. She stood up for her son's inheritance, she refused to be reduced to a mistress, she was a loving wife and mother, and she fought to retain Edward's accomplishments after his death. I think she was an incredible woman.

[@stephanierichards1096]

Always wondered how Elizabeth felt on that day.

[@draganamitrovic4250]

I like story about weddings❤not about executions👍

[@sng1934]

Thank u for another great video Claire I have just brought amy licences book on Elizabeth of York such a great book. Just a shame that there is not a lot about Elizabeth of York X

[@justanobodyonyoutube3580]

Elizabeth of York was actually 19 yrs old

[@darlenefarmer5921]

Thank you. I love story telling...

[@TheTam0613]

Thank you so much for another excellent video, Clare! PS-your hair looks fantastic!!

[@MsKK909]

It’s interesting that the Woodvilles were lurking on the sidelines, waiting to take control of the young princes. It was a brutal, turbulent time when the defense of the Yorks’ control of the throne was of paramount importance. Maybe R3 was afraid of the rise of the Woodvilles, who weren’t even nobles? What do you think, Clair?

[@frightbat208]

Claire, you may have a video on this already, but I would be interested to know your thoughts on a Henry VI’s intermittent illness. What do you think it was?

[@colinnorth31]

Thoroughly enjoyed this one!! Jean, Newport Gwent, South Wales, UK.

[@LusiaEyre]

The delay seems unnecessary, but things usually took longer in the past, and if you think about the timeline, it actually looks quite timely. Henry won his kingship, but he still had to take the capital and make sure he's not stabbed in his sleep before the dust settles. Elizabeth and her sisters were officially illegitimate, so that had to be officially backtracked, and the pope's dispensation wasn't just emailed over, was it. Plus, based on rules of the time, they were kind of married already - Arthur was either premature or conceived before the official wedding ceremony.

[@DD-lv4tb]

I love your English accent. ; ) Thank you for the great content dear. I just started studying and learning more going back to Egbert. : )

[@nanciring8235]

Yes! I *do* like the happy events!!❤️

[@vilstef6988]

I've watched several documentataries on Margaret Beaufort which give a more concise and understandable wrapup of the Wars of the Roses than just a film on the Wars themselves. Having it filtered through the life, times and personality of Margaret makes it more relatable. How extraordinary Margaret was also adds to the story!

[@aimee2234]

I too wish there was an account to imagine... Thank you, Claire! xoxo

[@takeittodehart1507]

Thank you Claire ,I didn’t see Teasel or the kitty cat. Have a great day

[@anneboleynfiles]

Teasel was asleep on the sofa we have in this room. She likes to supervise but it all got very tiring.

[@joshyishot]

I'm loving the haircolor

[@sallyofstuart9702]

Knowing Henry the 7th I’m 100 percent positive that he reused the decoration from his coronation for his wedding the only thing he probably spent much on was probably Elizabeth’s jewels and dress😂😂😂

[@anneboleynfiles]

It's actually a myth that he was a miser. He spent rather a lot on some sumptuous court entertainments, like at Epiphany, and there are the following: 1493 - He paid a dancer £30 (the equivalent of £20,000 in today's money), in 1497 he paid another dancer £12 (£7,991.48), and he spent £2,832 8s. 3d, or £1.8 million in today's money, on Elizabeth of York's funeral.

[@cathryncampbell8555]

@@anneboleynfiles Claire, I agree with you: Henry VII wasn't a miser when it came to Court display, but he *was* compulsively avaricious. I believe that Henry *deliberately* used a policy of overtaxing everyone in order to keep nobles & commoners alike under his thumb. Louis XIV controlled *his* nobles by making Versailles irresistible; burying aristos in mindless ceremonies; & insisting they all bankrupt themselves in expensive fashions. Different approaches with identical goals: control the aristocrats.

[@sallyofstuart9702]

The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society thank you I didn’t know that 😂😂😂

[@oldgraveyardhistoryinscotl9818]

Love your wonderful insights on this day Clair I would like to know more about the rituals of death and events surrounding the burials as I am writing a death history book would like to hear more on the subjects. Thank you

[@anneboleynfiles]

I'd highly recommend David Cressy's book on birth,death and marriage as it goes into a lot of detail on that.

[@anthonycampos8057]

They didnt like each other at the beginning of the marriage, but slowly grew to love each other.

[@shelleygibbons1065]

Excellent presentation 👏

[@rebeccahiggins9598]

Hi! Enjoy your channel! Questions about the background of the room your in. It looks like an old, Spanish home. I am fascinated with architecture. I notice the doorway behind you. Is that a window or a hallway? The walls are so think, reminds me of the south American Adobe homes. Anyway, just curious. I really enjoy your expertise and historical knowledge. I watch just about everyday.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Yes, it's 365 years old, so has very thick walls. The archway behind is an old window. I'm sat in what was the backyard, but which is now a conservatory. Thank you!

[@rebeccahiggins9598]

Thank you for responding! I commented on another video just now before I noticed this reply! Thank you, haha. I just love it! I wondered where you were sitting, it sort of reminded me of an old conservatory. Thanks again!

[@dalestaley5637]

This marriage was so significant for the nation. The nation would be united within itself. No marriage to a foreign power. You can imagine Henry, tall, athletic and young man, not a child. Elizabeth, a fare princess. She was sought after by other men in power. This was quite the power couple. It's lovely they loved each other too. It's a true fairy tale.

[@mohammedbashirkhan5472]

Read Henry VI Part 1, Henry VI Part 2, Henry VI Part 3 , Richard III , in that order, by William Shakespeare. What a great way to learn English history.

[@martinadrempetic2395]

Hello Claire! Today is actually my wedding day (married 17 years)! There was also an issue wether Elizabeth of York (i am actually reading a book about her from Alison Weir) is a rightful heiress because there where rumors that her father Edward IV was not legitimate. I watched very interesting documentary FACT OR FICTION- RICHARD III with Tony Robinson and it is said that there is evidence in Rouen Cathedral in France that his father was on a campaign at Pontoise when Edward was conceived and that Richard of York was not his father but a French archer from garrison at Rouen. I would like your comment on that...thank you very much on your videos, I love your english history, I love to read about it and also watch documentaries 😊

[@maryh4650]

I saw that programme too. Though, i DO wonder about it, I dont see how it could be, as there would be too many people around to see anything untoward happening. It would be very dangerous and though we all love Tony Robinson, he possibly got a bit carried away. Were the dates actually correct as the calendars have changed since then and also in the way the years begin and end.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Happy anniversary!

[@anneboleynfiles]

Regarding the whole Edward IV not being fathered by the Duke of York theory, I don't personally put much store in it. There is a very detailed article on it at www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesBritain/Medieval_EdwardIV_01.htm

[@martinadrempetic2395]

@@anneboleynfiles Thanks. I wil read it.

[@martinadrempetic2395]

@@maryh4650 did you see the part when he says about the looks of Edward IV and that he looked nothing like his father whose stature was rather small (Edward was in the other way a giant) like Richard III who looked exactly like is father, the Duke of York? And then, there is also a part about the christening...why did the firstborn son, an heir had such a small ceremony in side chapel, while a second, Richard had a big with lavish ceremony? This only coroborated rumors from the time...but we will never know...only DNA testing would do the job...

[@Danielle-mg5lf]

I wish we had that information too! I would love to have details about the 👰🏼🤴🏼 wedding! And I read that Richard III was very into his honor and valor and wouldn’t do anything to tarnish it, but all of this was before his brother King Edward IV died. I wonder why and what made him change to be a usurper of his own nephews crown... was it all a rouse? .... his reign and the lost princes in the tower was a sad time in Yorkist rule. Then again before Henry Vs father usurped the crown the Plantagenets were killing each other for the right to rule so not completely unheard of.

[@reneebowers7854]

Love your videos

[@dianemcnamara3815]

I like all of your broadcasts

[@maryh4650]

An INTERESTING day in Tudor History.

[@susannebemis3311]

Love this one!

[@grazielaalmeida8438]

Why they have to repiet the names, I get confused with so many people with the same parten of names.

[@isobelduncan]

It was common to name offspring after relatives and the current monarch back then as a way of honouring them.

[@annstillwell730]

Wasn't a a dispensation required as they were cousins?

[@anneboleynfiles]

Elizabeth and Henry were distant cousins and, yes, I mention in the talk a dispensation being issued on 16th January 1486 in preparation for the wedding.

[@ladyv5655]

I understand that Elizabeth and Henry did grow to love each other, but this was no love match on their wedding day. The marriage was arranged by their mothers, the Dowager Queen Elizabeth Woodville and Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond and Derby. Margaret wanted to put her son on the throne and Elizabeth wanted to take down Richard III, who she held responsible for the disappearance and presumed deaths of her 2 sons. The younger Elizabeth, as daughter of a previous king, gave legitimacy to her husband's claim to the throne.

[@sandilou2U]

? This is exactly what Claire said in the video.

[@lindainglis8506]

There seems to be a tenuous Tudor claim to the English throne. Very tenuous.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Not at all, it was by right of conquest.

[@artemis5300]

Lol January 18th is my birthday maybe that’s why these two are my favourite characters in history

[@AITrademarket]

As much as I’m interested in Tudor history, I have always been keen, like many others, to know what on earth actually happened to the princes in the tower. I always wonder if it’s the ramifications of their disappearance that allowed the Tudor era to come to pass.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Have you read Matthew Lewis's book "The Survival of the Princes in the Tower"? It's very interesting.

[@AITrademarket]

The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society Thanks for the recommendation Claire. I haven’t, but I’ll be sure to get it now to read.

[@janyceimoto8750]

Love this story!

[@fayjones53]

Love it

[@annettefournier9655]

Thanks Claire. So they were cousins? A nd Richard III her uncle? Who was killed by Henry VII troops?

[@anneboleynfiles]

Richard III was Elizabeth's uncle, yes, and he was killed by Henry VII's forces at the Battle of Bosworth. Henry and Elizabeth were distantly related.

[@TheAuntieBa]

annette fournier Often questions are answered in the talk. Listening through to the end can help. Luckily, Claire researches her subjects thoroughly and I love the balanced, documented discourses.

[@annettefournier9655]

@@TheAuntieBa I always listen to the end before asking a question, thank you very much. And just because I may need some clarification doesn't mean that I'm stupid. With dyslexia and being presented with a dizzying amount of information my brain often cannot line up parallels easily and information swirls about until I restate and can get confirmation of layers or steps. I had the same issues with trig and physics. Luckily my professors were more enlightened and did not punish or humiliate me in my efforts to straighten out work and solve problems. It took more effort but I Aced the subjects. Thank God for nonjudgmental historians and teachers. Have a pleasant day and count your blessings.

[@annettefournier9655]

@@anneboleynfiles Thank you so much Claire. Very kind of you to help me line my ducks in a row. Appreciate it greatly.💖

[@TheAuntieBa]

annette fournier It was not my intention to “punish or humiliate” you, and I certainly never called you stupid or even thought it. I don’t know you; you might have been a kid who was new and unaware of Claire’s excellent documentation. Sorry you have such trouble! I can relate; I have head damage. Not the same as yours but challenging. Hope things get easier for you.

[@pbohearn]

But who killed the Princes in the Tower? Richard III? …. Or Henry VII? Hmmmmm

[@MaverickSeventySeven]

Was not a delay in the Marriage a caution in case Elizabeth could be pregnant by even Richard 111?

[@isobelduncan]

It's highly unlikely that Elizabeth had any romantic feelings for her uncle considering he declared her parents' marriage invalid and her and her siblings illegitimate, not to mention he was suspected of murdering her brothers.

[@pk6810]

If there was even a chance Elizabeth of York had been intimate with her uncle, there wouldn't have been a wedding, she'd of been in disgrace in a nunnery for the rest of her days.

[@businessfinancecoach]

reconciled the houses - by murdering his wife's uncle LOL!!

[@sheaforest9309]

Business Finance Coach It was all good...

[@anneboleynfiles]

Well, he didn't do it personally, it was in battle, and there is the theory that Elizabeth's uncle murdered her brothers!

[@mbgal7758]

There was certainly no better suspect for ordering the murders of both her brothers who were just children than the uncle you mention. I doubt I’d be shedding a lot of tears over my husband being responsible for his death.

[@pk6810]

Her father had Henrys uncle bludgeoned to death so maybe they called it a tie lol.

[@deborahbrottmiller2948]

That would have been wonderful to see.

[@bosongidner5418]

The Winner takes itt all!

[@Axel-ll2jp]

elizabeth woodville mother of a dynasty !

[@renshiwu305]

Elizabeth Woodville sold out the Plantagenet Dynasty so her daughter could be Queen Consort (and a rather impotent and insignificant Queen Consort, at that). Her reward was to spend the remaining five years of her life confined to an abbey. She and Margaret Beaufort weren't happy with Richard on the throne because they were ambitious for their children, nothing more.

[@JM-The_Curious]

Yet, Elizabeth's brother Edward was the rightful heir to their father Edward IV, and then Edward's younger brother Richard the next in line. So the way I see it is that after Edward and Richard, the next rightful heir would be Elizabeth of York, and by marrying Henry Tudor her line got back on the throne, and Edward IV's grandson became king, as would have happened if Richard III hadn't stolen the throne from the young Edward V.

[@michaeldefeo1439]

Yes they were both ambitious for their children, but in regards to Elizabeth Woodville I think it was more for revenge. Richard III stole the crown from her son, Edward V, stripped all her children with Edward IV's birthright by declaring them illegitimate, locked up her children, Edward V and his younger brother Richard, in the tower, and most likely was the one who had them killed, and had her brother Anthony Rivers, and her one son from her first marriage, Richard Gray, both executed. After doing all that to her and her family I'm sure Elizabeth Woodville would do whatever she could to get revenge on her brother in law, Richard III.

[@isobelduncan]

@@michaeldefeo1439 Also Margaret had spent her whole life trying to protect her son and his future in a turbulent time.

[@michaeldefeo1439]

@@isobelduncan very true with Margaret Beaufort's grand ambitions for her son she is the one who reached out to Elizabeth Woodville for the alliance that they made to overthrow Richard III and to put both of their children on the throne.

[@CrimeCanvasandDiamonds]

I love the info but boo keep a glass of water next to you just a little advise

[@anneboleynfiles]

I do, but I have allergies and it's hard going on the throat.

[@CrimeCanvasandDiamonds]

@@anneboleynfiles I never dreamed you would respond I love your channel I really didn’t mean any shade

[@pbohearn]

Like the new ‘do. Are you in Spain? I’m in Portugal. Great talk but watch the cough drop, please no Heimlich maneuvers, ha! Where’s your cat?

[@sharoncole8249]

💖👑👑💖xx