Japanese cavalry archers? (1400 elo AoE2 gameplay)

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

I'd be down for one of these every few weeks/every month or two! I honestly think what mid-high players are doing (top 50-25%) is more important than what the top 1% of players are doing, because basically anyone can play at a level similar to the 25th percentile given enough practice.

[@DmytroBogdan]

Hey, what are you doing here? Love your Civ 6 analysis videos!

[@starkard_AoE]

1400 ELO is alreay Top 4000, so basically Top 10% of the active 1v1 players.

[@viktorianas]

@@starkard_AoE I am ~1200 ELO and Top ~10.000... given that there are AT LEAST 1.000.000 active players (in general), I am 1% Top player overall. PotatoMcWhiskey is probably talking about 0.01% of Top players...

[@mcohen8025]

Agreed, the mistakes they make are very relatable.

[@whossname4399]

@@viktorianas 1200 is more like top 25%. 1400 is almost top 10%, top 1% is mid 1900s and top 0.1% is more like 2300. The main problem with your estimate is the number of active players. It's more like 37,000 players, so about 25 times less than your estimate.

[@DuyLe-is9py]

“Monkey’s also famous for…eating bananas” -SOTL 2021-

[@SIGNOR-G]

*Spirit of the monke*

[@FullCavGuy]

Banana

[@MrDibara]

*"OOOOOOOOOH, **_banana!"_*

[@duytoannguyen6055]

Minions also love bananas...

[@zeroomega3781]

MONKEY NANDAYO, JOJO!

[@nheimi99]

THAT MANGONEL HOUSE TRAP!!! I prefer to watch/learn from this ELO as opposed to any other, thanks for the upload :)

[@rpgjenkins]

I always want your commentary, id love to see more of your game play too!

[@juanbrits3002]

I do like SOTL's pacing much more than T90's energetic hype, could do with more SOTL game analysis vids to balance out the AOE scene.

[@felixtomtom926]

If T90 is energetic hype to you, what would you say MembTV is doing?

[@vamp1310]

@@felixtomtom926 yeah ain't it like a meme that the KZbin audience watches t90 at 1.5 speed?

[@donefinished]

T90 is a peice of work.

[@Unholy_Louie]

@@donefinished He's still around? Man I got the T90 fatigue ages ago. I was there when he had around 20 people top on Twitch.

[@oliwerrzepkowski6677]

Spirit of the law! I love these commentary videos especially on gameplay at lower elos. Please keep making more!

[@fenncast8478]

Absolutely love casted games in AoE2 and AoE4! I like that you made this type of video and I'd be excited to see more every once in a while.

[@CommentaireCarotte]

Currently halfway through the video, I am very surprised that blue is floating 4000 food at this level.

[@Walkop]

So am I. I'm about 1500 and that type of mistake instantly should lose you the game. That's absolutely insane. It does show how far ahead blue was though, he was in a commanding lead the entire game; there was absolutely no reason for him to lose

[@Gammelmann]

@@Walkop I'm 1600 and I'm not surprised, floating several thousands of resources happens more often to me than I like to admit

[@Walkop]

@@Gammelmann in mid Castle Age, though?

[@Gammelmann]

@@Walkop It's not very common, but yes that could happen to me as well on a bad day

[@mcohen8025]

OK this is a stupid question from an unranked player, but… is having a lot of resources BAD? Or of one resource?

[@cybersteel8]

This 1400 match contrasts so strongly with all the pro level gameplay that's out there. Seeing floating resources, slow expansion (and in the wrong direction!) and weird army compositions is quite refreshing :D

[@khartvin]

i absolutely love your commentaries to such games. would really appreciate if you did it more often :)

[@wojciechzdunczyk2594]

Hi SOTL, long time viewer, first time commenter here. Great job at the commentary. It's always great to mix things up a little with the content you make. I'd love to see more vids like this next to the regular ones you do!

[@bentaylor5703]

Love these spirit! So enjoyable to watch and great to hear some jokes skittled throughout aswell

[@ryanrodgers3099]

Really fun game to watch! The traps and dives into bases were awesome. I would love to see the alternate universe where Red pivots into samurai and cranks out onagers. I think he could have mopped up the berserkers and we'd seen how effective his onager play was against the arbs.

[@megavergatario1]

Wow id love to see spirit of the law casting KOTD4

[@ValerietheLovelyDeadlyItalian]

FR tho!

[@vicvicking1990]

LMAO, i clicked assuming it was a T90 video, then i immediatly recognized your voice great voice, great content

[@threeprongedfork7061]

I feel like Cav Archer was a little suspicious when red saw the group of archers, i don't know why they didn't switch to skirmisher in fuedal when they went down in archer numbers the first time

[@TBPetitP]

Yeah, high elo players underestimate skirmishers, but had he thrown 6 of them in feudal he would have had no problems with the archers and xbows. Also it always annoys me how high elo players forget about the existance of rams. If your enemy has massed archers and you have a couple of rams you can eat their tc with almost no problem, just need a couple of light cav to deal with potential mangonels.

[@raulfernandez57]

@@TBPetitP Noted

[@ultradolp1335]

In general you don't want to go too much into skirmisher as they (1) take away precious meat for advancing to castle age and (2) too easily countered by 1 or 2 knight or mangonel. Cav Archer makes a lot of sense as they are stronger than crossbow at same pop. They just need more upgrade to get there That said, Red should have either gotten into adding a few more skirmisher after losing the initial archer mass to fend off the upcoming counter attack, or advance to castle age earlier by skipping the archer armor (he isn't going to win the archer war after losing the initial mass). Also keep in mind crossbow easily kill off skrimisher until they get elite upgrade and at least feudal archer armor, and it takes twice as long to research elite skirm than crossbow (which is another reason why overinvesting into skirm can be an issue) Biggest mistake red made imo is running in with the cav archer for raid. He needed the big cav archer mass but losing 20 there instantly throw away all the investment he puts in (including upgrade). He was lucky he manage to trap the crossbow mass back or he could have been dead right there

[@TBPetitP]

@@ultradolp1335 I totally understand what you say, my point was not that, it is that, after losing his firt archer mass he totally knew the enemy had massed archers, that he used right aways, still being archers, not xbows, and that he didn't have a stable contructed yet. With all that info and the fact that he attacked way before leveling his archers to xbows, the most economy-efficent answer would have been 6 skirimishers that would have totally dealt with the arhers the enemy had, trading little food for A LOT of gold invested in those archers, instead of investing in cav archers while letting the enemy raid, which are much more expensive, and then losing them to a bad raid.

[@mikesully110]

@@ultradolp1335 I don't understand at around 7:00 when they both have around 3-4 archers, and Red is harassing Blues base with his archers; why doesn't Blue build 1 or 2 skrims to add to his archers? I guess it would cost the 50 food for castle but surely it would help a lot against Reds archers and losing 25f/35w is a lot less painful than losing a 45 gold archer? I would have thrown in 2 or 3 skrims and had 1 less archer. And they wouldn't be totally useless in castle as they can help against or deter a crossbow or two. But then I am not a high level player I never really understood the point of MoA rushes (other than to defend against another MoA rush) as they never really seem to accomplish anything more than what the rush itself costs

[@thenayancat8802]

Blue attacking the house to break out instead of the wall to lose 40 xbows... Wow maybe there's a chance for me to make 1400 Elo after all

[@donefinished]

Absolutely is!

[@mcdaici]

Thought the same, he probably saw the hp too late in the heat of the Moment

[@Ltulrich]

I really like your game reviews, SOTL. Keep it up.

[@ptrd4111]

Really like when you do these commentarys. It allows you to really focus on the game instead of focusing on playing and commentating, which I imagine can be pretty hectic. I like both version regardless though.

[@raulfernandez57]

Interesting game--but yeah, Red's choice of making mostly Cav Archers is bizarre. And unfortunately he didn't even do that much raiding/hit-and-run tactics.

[@viktorreiter8811]

japanese can do a lot of things but dont really have an great answer to the classic arb+ram vikings. the one thing vikings definitely lack is mobility, so for the mobility CA seems logical. but then of course, you should use that mobility :D

[@raulfernandez57]

@@viktorreiter8811 Why do you say they lack mobility?

[@viktorreiter8811]

​@@raulfernandez57 they dont have strong cav options and their strongest comps are usually based around mangonels or rams.

[@ultradolp1335]

The Cav Archer imo is fine. For Red he basically only has two options: Cav Archer and Knight. Skirm isn't really a viable option as you know blue is going to have a much bigger lead once in castle thanks to free handcart and you can't pressure with skirm. Not to mention with 2 archery range archer ball it will be rather rough for him to hold on. Had he not dived in with the cav archer and build up a bigger mass, he could have forced a better fight and build TC behind the pressure after he wins (cav archer ball once upgraded will defeat the crossbow ball). Technically he could try to hold the defense with mangonel and switch to knight but that would also be quite demanding on his food eco

[@raulfernandez57]

@@ultradolp1335 I just think that if Red had made some defensive samurai for the Berserkers, the light and archer cav would worked fine in combination to counter Blue's army. Red even had a couple of trebs to deal with the forward castle. Afterwards, retaliate with said Cav and Trebs composition for Blue and the samurai plus onagers/crossbows or arbalests as a temporary defense. At one point Red still had a bunch of food and gold, I think it might have worked.

[@dutchvanderlinde5004]

Would love to see more game reviews like this.

[@oliverl2172]

Ah yes, love your AoE II commentary videos. 😌

[@craig8727]

Yes great job on the commentary, keep these coming!

[@ethankoch8507]

Love your commentaries! :)

[@garnauklaufen6704]

Going cavalry archers as Japanese is actually historically more accurate, since that was the usual way for Samurai to fight: On horseback with a bow.

[@technoir_]

Thanks for keeping aoe2 alive

[@MarianoGianni1]

I'm surprized that SOTL didn't comment on blue having a huge villagers lead at around min 14. He just needed to hold there

[@vallo105]

More of this please!

[@maddoxXL101]

I liked this video but only because Spirit brought attention to the under appreciated Viking wheelbarrow

[@Hitzer89]

Red took far too long to research ballistics. There were at least 4 opportunities for him to snag a lot of vills if he had gotten it mid castle.

[@SirLaurenceNZ_2]

That trap was pretty sick :D

[@MajorBuzzkill23]

Interesting video. Not enough content around this elo range imo.

[@12themilkman]

at 19:10 you totally called it. That had to feel good to mangonel those cav archers

[@mikaelsanchez6426]

Japanese cav archers are actually a decent choice in late imp kind of games, depending on how the game played out. I like to use them when I random them on Amazon Tunnel or Black Forest because they're stronger and more pop efficient than normal archers.

[@mgmayank18]

No Ballistics till post Imp!!! And no horsecollar. That hurts.

[@johncollins7465]

That was a load of fun to watch!

[@pablociv7851]

Dang what a ripe mango at 22:00!

[@ingoseiler]

How in all heck do 1400 Elo players float THOUSANDS of res, while only hovering around 140 pop? At 31:58 Blue queued FOURTY FOUR light cav in 4 stables with 2.8k wood in the bank. What is happening?!

[@Gammelmann]

Because they are 1400, not 2400

[@TiagoBortolotto]

Finally some aoe2 content. Thx

[@ivanstrydom8417]

Viking changes I'd love to see: The main emphasis is on the long boats and their over use of Arbs, the rest are not to important and can be left as is. Have Vikings lose free hand cart + lose Arbalerster but instead they get Halbedier,(NB!) have their longboats be able to attack as well as transport units (Infantry only) (loses transport ships but they have non attacking Longboats in feudal age.) and gift them cheap trash units. Castles cost change to 450 stone and 300 wood (Wood castles have lower HP) OR... Since they get Halbs change their unique tech Chieftains to allow Beserks to be made in TCs even after all castles have been lost. I’d enjoy raiding coastlines and rivers using longboats to transport infantry and skirms to the shores of my enemies.

[@saccaron]

I was wondering if you could do a "how good is Thumb Ring" video?

[@cr7ey870]

Blue took great control of the map , took over the stone and gold and slowly choked Red , well played by Scipio

[@catalyst7189]

Here we have Scipio, a Roman general, famous for defeating Barca. And then we Have Monkeysss, of course famous for eating bananas.

[@YLLPal]

Near the end, you seemed confused by the score being different to the situation. Can you explain score and where it is and isn't reliable to tell who is doing well?

[@tbomber2209]

That mango trap was golden

[@stevehuang4863]

1400elo is top 10% , and still so many big mistakes and bad choices in turns , i mean big ones , not things like micro mangos,arhcers or just losing several vils. I just can't hold it, when i see the Vikings has just swpet away all the CAs ,with almost 4000 food,1000 wood left and a amry of 40 crossbows and then destoyed by a mango... Macro is much more important for us who are not top or pros.

[@thomassheehy8044]

red's trap was amazing but oh man did he blow it.

[@bishop253]

I think if red had one or two battering rams at 16:07 they probably could have kept the momentum.

[@pedrocarvalho7480]

SOTL, i am waiting for a video in which you analyse the "real cost" of walling

[@SiteM16tv]

18:00 3000 Food?!? Go Up!! Go Up to Imp!!!

[@Konde616]

my guess is that red has a personal issue against samurais ... why samurais + skrim man??

[@MarianoGianni1]

Red had an advantage of vilalgers in feudal , but they broke even because of the idle TC

[@spectrallogic]

You should cast more times :)

[@joshuaspencer1346]

Now that you've exposed Berserks at a top tier anti-trash unit, can we hope for a top 10 anti-trash video sometime? :)

[@harrybarrett9653]

Missed these random ranked games

[@TheVoodooMaker]

Map control is everything man. Blue had so much gold.

[@ramosfelipe]

Thumb Ring never was a problem to britons, khmer and aztecs... so why would it be to vikings with wheelbarrow and handcart for free and automatic researched?! Vikings eco still insane and it was totally necessary!

[@gadgetkarepro7831]

which mod are you using for interface like yours?

[@dragovern]

in capture age you can see how many kills a unite has. Id love to see that mangonel's score!

[@brujua7]

In the footage we can see he doesn´t have the pro version. He is using the free version that doesn´t have that feature. Agree I would like to see that mangonel´s score!

[@mugenmasters8564]

Will you ever make civ overview for star wars battleground

[@armanditoetc]

I think also red was housed almost all game

[@florianarbes]

yeah i think that kinda cost him the game actually. lots of res but no military when it was needed the most

[@yahyamusseb]

Did you know that samurais are calvary archers as well

[@ababyalbatross9016]

Watching a Japanese player not create Samurai when your opponent is literally going their infantry unique unit, and instead invest into Cavalry and Cav Archers is absolutely painful. How many 1v1 players in this upper-middle ELO bracket just have some great build orders for Feudal Age and Early Castle and then seemingly have no idea what to do next??

[@ababyalbatross9016]

@@comedicsketches Jellyfox

[@91rumpnisse]

Not only that, Viking infantry can get extra damage against Cavalry, so it was bound to be that the Japanese player would lose. Going for surprise can be a good idea sometimes, but sticking to what's been established is usually a good thing.

[@chrisl9112]

Dammit I thought this was a Spirit game after seeing Japanese in the the title. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[@TBPetitP]

I thought that too. But my day wasn't ruined because every day with a new SOTL video is a good day :) Hope we can see him play some other day, there's a video of SOTL playing with Hera that is very good., recomend it.

[@chrisl9112]

@@TBPetitP Yeah don't worry mate the second sentence is a meme. I did see that game with Hera and it was quite enjoyable

[@EternalHappElements]

30 archers just gone like that

[@ValerietheLovelyDeadlyItalian]

SOTL Twitch stream when?

[@FatedGamer]

Ya sadly I don't think infantry will ever be the meta army comp. You might throw in halbs to protect your stuff from cav but it feels like with cav just being faster and stronger units people will just build those. Or archers for ranged harass and being able to dodge other archers. And monk siege is just very unique and able to counter things. Main infantry just lacks to much to be super viable. Which while people hate archers auto hitting in aoe4 I think it does help cause infantry to be a bit more viable since the armor matters more.

[@TBPetitP]

Yeah, infantry is much more balanced imo in aoe4, it's much more tanky and deals much more damage to units and buildings. It also helps that you can build siege with them and with cavalry you don't.

[@FatedGamer]

@@TBPetitP ya I just wish aoe4 was more finished. I'm glad to have the game but I'd love for it to be actually complete.

[@TBPetitP]

@@FatedGamer We all are my friend... It's not AoE without the taunts, scenario editor, choosing your color and stuff... But at least the game is good and we didn't got a total fiasco hahaha it will be finished eventually. It saddens me tho, that companies think it's ok to release an unfinished game :(

[@FatedGamer]

@@TBPetitP completely agreed. But it is enjoyable even though game breaking glitches. I was just surprised they didn't finish it first after how well all the DE went for each game. I felt they would give it time to be done.

[@Redragonclaws]

What’s the UI overlay?

[@dieblauebedrohung]

The fact that red waited so long to research the techs his cav archers need, and when he does, he is out of gold and has no cav archers left over. What even was his plan? Especially that he didn't research thumb ring despite it being literally the most important cav archer tech hurt so much...

[@jeffhe4553]

yeah and you could slowly feel blues map control over resources too. choke the stone and gold to kill off reds ca and yasama towers and finally leading into a slow treb push to finish it. i'd say after losing the initial fights, red should've prepped more into counters and expect to lose his forward mines. towers were good idea to hold off but only for momentarily and if the momentum doesnt shift his way, it'll slowly chip at him especially when hes so invested into ca and towers

[@Gui101do]

More of this!

[@ietsbram]

spirit of the law rooting for japanese? how surprising

[@woerkntwerk5245]

Japanese Cavalry Archers? Yeah, they were quite famous, they were called 'Samurai'.

[@maxwellgoshert9389]

You should definitely cast more often.

[@alecpalmer1538]

We need another "Ontage"

[@TheDemonx2000]

the best thing about the Japanese is when you finish the game with them and start another one playing chad bulgarians

[@osiris3676]

captions be like "hey guys spirit of the lie here..."

[@yvangaming4063]

SOTL you should commentate more often

[@luismercado5160]

0:01 Spirit of the lie?

[@shykorustotora]

1400 is the top 10%??? Really? I'm top 10%? Holy shit, I didn't realize~ I thought I was like top 40%

[@pandaprewmaster325]

I'm quit sad that no sumrais got produced /:

[@obesechicken13]

Sweet quickwalls. 1400 is kinda good. Wait I'm 1400 nvm

[@johanbee8757]

21:45 this is either painful to watch or satisfying. This too 27:27

[@gersonfilho898]

Japanese and Vikings... exactly the civs they HAVE TO add on AOE 4!

[@figsille]

Sweet thanks!

[@markburke1396]

SOTL thinks that Scipio has the superior name. Clearly he isn't familiar with Planet of the Apes 11

[@eruidfhjcvbn]

red shouldve gone onager/skirm + samurai he wouldve had a good chance

[@HaloGrndr]

got a clogged artery from that food count at 19:39

[@rolfauner4623]

21:57 that was soooo painful to watch!!! Yikes!

[@rolfauner4623]

...nevermind. There's more. 🤦‍♂️

[@allbaugh04]

Why didn't red make more onagers!

[@JohnForbes]

Pirates vs Ninjas

[@raphaelguerin2691]

Hello there !

[@HistoricalWeapons]

nice

[@keisuketakahashi4124]

Damn guys, it must really be our lucky day huh?

[@revvyishonisd5027]

monkey banana gathering rates next vid?

[@TheBikeOnTheMoon]

remove thumb ring from viking, Still go for archer anyway. Just to tell ya how shitty most infantries really are in this game

[@Resegy]

Scipio should be pronounced Shipio. Spotl, you're great😉

[@gabrielmelnik6796]

Vikins sounds interesting after the nerf

[@metal_monocle7334]

Nerf? Don't you mean buff?

[@Igor369]

@@metal_monocle7334 Lost thumb ring in exchange for all the other infantry buffs. If infantry is still in bad spot after this then technically vikings got nerfed overall.

[@metal_monocle7334]

@@Igor369 Right right right of course, completely forgot about those nerfs. I was just thinking of the infantry buffs and what not - my bad.

[@daandevos122]

14-hundreds will have a clean dark age... I feel called out. I barely go a game without losing a vill to the rhinos in dark age, and I'm 14 hundred myself. Losing 3 vills to rhinos only was a deep point though.

[@Ahmed_Malrogi.750]

T90 crying in the corner 😂

[@marcorquin4690]

Am I the only one who still misses the intro?