Jared Halverson | Why Holy Scripture is Not Enough.

[@amertlich]

If I could choose one Latter-day Saint to participate in an interfaith scriptural discussion, similar to what Jordan Peterson has done with Exodus and the Gospels seminars, it would be Jared Halverson.

[@HaleStorm49]

Funny I was just thinking about this today because Jordan Peterson's panels are ~meh~ Halverson has to be in the top 3. Who else?

[@davidskeith]

I am with you, he does such a great job I’ve been doing the Living Scriptures series he did on scripture study with our scone follow me

[@beckyriggs1869]

Agreed!!!

[@BowenUSA]

​@@HaleStorm49Curtis Childs from "Off the Left Eye" YT channel.

[@jameswines6589]

​@@davidskeithOk We know that Joseph Smith Plagiarized the Bible So let's take that out of the book of Mormon Now what's holy about the book of Mormon Now absolutely nothing because it's nothing but lies and a fairytale made up by Joseph Smith and the Mormons

[@AnineMack]

I just watched you two on mormon stories podcast and I was so proud of how you defended the CHURCH of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am from the Era of John and never felt things were hid from members or that we were lied to. You choose Jesus Christ and the plan of salvation or you do not. I love that you spoke often about praying to Heavenly Father for the answers that you are seeking. I hope John does reread the Book of Mormon, thank you for giving him the invitation. Best of luck on your channel,

[@rulonwalker8938]

I love this comment. We choose faith in Christ rather than choosing to doubt and look for evidence. I don't want to minimize the struggle people have, but it does come down to choosing to believe and seeking things to support our weak belief. The strength comes from a small faith that grows as the Spirit guides us to more faith (evidence of things not seen). Oh how I pray everyone could understand that principle taught throughout the scriptures.

[@beesharp9503]

To be vulnerable: Halverson’s class “History of the Restoration” filled my first journal. I hand copied every one of his slides. It also single handedly gave my then-girlfriend-now-wife the kickstart back into the gospel/being church goers after uprooting our lives and moving to Utah in summer of 2018. Growing up outside of Utah, I never had the experience of knowing someone who cared about apologetics and history of the church and his effortless teaching and incredibly loving personality in teaching contraries is needed now more than ever. So so so grateful this collab/discussion happened! Thanks TSOJ! You guys killed it!

[@ranteumptom7345]

Brother Halverson lived in my stake in Tennessee while he was studying at Vanderbilt. He worked for the CES out here. I always enjoyed my interactions with him, and feel blessed to have been acquainted with him.

[@jeff3olsen]

It seems to me that many Latter-day Saints have taken the guidance to "avoid contention" to an extreme and out of context. Far too many, including myself, have for far too long used "avoid contention" as a convenient excuse to neglect covenant obligations to defend truth & virtue. The Lord wants us to do both: defend truth & virtue while avoiding contention. The following examples make it clear to me that true peacemakers boldly proclaim the truth with love: - Melchizedek - Alma 13:14-19 - Nephi - 1 Nephi 16:1-5 - Jacob - Jacob 7 - King Benjamin - Words of Mormon 12-18 - Abinadi - Mosiah 12:19-24 In each instance, these men boldly proclaim the truth, and the actual result is establishing peace! As Paul counseled, we ought to speak the truth in love.

[@thestickofjoseph]

Amen

[@andriy457]

Contention is starting point of apostasy Content today for any reason you fall tomorrow Contention service nobody and have no excuses By contenting you only gets better at contending

[@jeff3olsen]

@andriy457 "For any reason?" 🤔 Wrongo bongo, my friend Andriy. The prophet has said: "Now, I am not talking about “peace at any price.”" I would humbly suggest fulfilling covenant obligations to defend truth & righteousness are included here. We indeed have a duty to future generations to pass on a society of liberty and righteousness, or at least a society in which future generations have a decent chance of choosing righteousness.

[@andriy457]

@@jeff3olsen stand for eternal truth and defending life and freedom doesn’t mean you have to content about it And don’t forget you responsible for you and for here for right now, first and foremost that is what God will ask you about it

[@jeff3olsen]

@andriy457 Thank you for your insights, Andriy. Have you studied the references I mentioned? Would you say they were not "contending?"

[@GregFessia]

From this US Navy enlisted veteran to you Marines, thanks for all you do. Good luck, stay safe and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Just so you know, 29:40- is me. My deceased father was Roman Catholic and my mother was Church of England(Anglican Protestant) while I belonged to both as a kid but found the Restored Christianity and Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints while serving in the US Navy.

[@brendamartin3444]

My mother’s side is all Catholic, my father’s is all Jehovah’s Witness… my mother, father and myself are LDS since my freshman year of High School (1980) 🙂

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@angelalewis3645]

Jared Halverson’s weekly Unshaken Saints videos helped me “stay in touch” with the gospel through months and months of lonely alone COVID time. This man is a legend in my life. 🌟

[@WitnessJesustheChrist]

Me too! I try to never miss it!

[@academyofchampions1]

Based!

[@annmarieharrell3187]

The Hebrew definition of “to know” is to have an embodied experience, so we can “know” and have “faith” at the same time. Many of us do not yet have a perfect knowledge…but we can know and have faith at the same time. 😊

[@avoicefromthedustbookofmormon]

Jared Halverson, aka Bro Hal, was my institute teacher when I was living in Nashville and he is one of the most inspired and amazing people I have ever known. I am so so grateful for his influence in my life.

[@matthewmadsen8328]

I listen to and study CFM weekly along with Brother Halverson’s Unshaken Podcast. Thanks for having him as a guest.

[@My_planet_has_rings.]

Jared Halverson is definitely fulfilling his earthly mission! And, so are Hayden and Jackson! Thank you!!!

[@jennandstar]

Jared Halverson, thank you. Very well put forth to us. I have a sister who left our faith for mainstream Christianity. I love, love, love, talking with her. In our last conversation we disagreed on doctrine. I shared my own personal conviction by personal revelation. We ended our conversation with my expression of love for my sister.( She was my 13th birthday present and we have been close ever since.) I also expressed that we will differ on gospel beliefs and that I was ok with that. I want to know what she now believes. It is a part of her everyday life. It makes her who she is and I love it. I want to be a part of it but it is the very core of our love for Jesus Christ and His Atonement that brings us together. We become giggling girls when we talk of our love for our Savior. I'm nearly 55, I'm not sure if I could have had that conversation 20 years ago. Grateful that I do now. I recently moved from Utah to Oklahoma where I am surrounded by gracious and loving Christians. I love them more because of my conversations with my sister. I pray often for a soft heart. Life has been rough and we’ve been treated in ways I never expected by our own LDS community. I do not want a hard heart because of the fragility of the human experience. Because the world stepped in in-between the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the human mind. And the world won out more often. My faith in members may shake from time to time but my heart and Spirit know the peace of our Savior. Again, thanks to all of you for continuing to share incredible knowledge and insight. 😁 Stay safe in your service for our country!!!! I thank you!!! I have had family from both US and the UK serve. I deeply love those who are vets and active military. Again, thank you. Stay curious and hungry. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@richelleb2996]

I have learned so much from Jared Halverson and his podcast. Truly my love of the scriptures has grown.

[@furydoo]

Mike, Dave, and Andrea are great. This guy gave me ao much I've been needing to hear. It is the exact thing I've been working on, and his insights are beyond an answer to my prayers.

[@goblincamper2004]

Jared Halverson really knows how to teach through scripture, and by the spirit. Amazingly, he takes the time to explain what he teaches and helps his students really think about the scriptures differently.

[@godsoffspring4195]

Well, without the Holy Ghost, the scriptures are simply metadata. :>)

[@kelseyevans8004]

Whhhhhhhaaattttt this is the dream team!! Two of my favorites combined?!?!? Mind blown!

[@karlholladay2640]

I really appreciate how many apostles and general authorities stick strictly to revelation given through prophets.

[@manshelper]

I just cant get enough of this amazing man! We Love you brother Halverson keeep on please never stop teaching us Wisdom

[@DB_Golfer]

Man, the last 15 mins was amazing! The scribal vs revelatory conversation and Nebucanzer’s dream was so powerful! Bring him back on please, I love Bro Halverson! He may talk for hours, but I could listen to him for hours too, he has so many amazing perspectives and experiences I could just listen to him for hours. We need a 6 hour Halverson episode lol

[@terrispackman120]

I would really like to get a hold of Jared and have him visit with my husband. He left the church about 15/20 years ago. You would be so good to have a good to understand how he feels and maybe help us get over some bumps. My testimony has grown stronger through the years.

[@OncehaveGreatlie]

You don't need Brother Hal for this. God has given you all the gifts you need to help others. We all have access to them through the covenant path. God could do it all Himself, but He, more often than not, works through us to help others. Just pour out your heart for guidance and direction. Let God in to your life like never before. Allow Him to work through you.

[@jameswines6589]

​@@OncehaveGreatlieWhat does Christmas have to do with Jesus absolutely nothing, You do know what who the baby Jesus and Mary really are don't you

[@HaleStorm49]

@@terrispackman120 what did he replace it with?

[@belenharris8174]

Some thoughts on "thick skin and soft heart" - the thick skin is having boundaries. They allow us to have healthy detachment (instead falling intoapathy OR taking everything personally), including a detachment from the outcome. For example, love without detachment becomes manipulation - you're doing things to try to create a certain outcome for your loved one instead of loving them for the sake of it. If we engage in conversations with others about faith while being attached to a certain outcome, we will stumble, take things personally, etc. Loved this interview!

[@sarahbean6170]

This 100% gave me chills! What a great perspective on conversing with others about their faiths! I have been wrestling with how to talk to others about our church. I even came to Ephesians the scripture about how the gospel is built on the foundation of prophets and apostles. But they still have a different take away of that scripture and I’m like HOW can I help people see why we need revelation from God through a prophet? This is perfect!! Thank you for these profound examples! Wow! I’m so excited! I will be taking lots of notes. I am a seminary teacher and the student often have questions about the anti they see on social media. This is why I have been on a mission to find the best way for them to approach. They even want to memorize Bible verses to show that those revelations are in the Bible just not as clear as they are in our new revelatory scriptures that aren’t new per say but ya know…Thank you again. This is so helpful!

[@rulonwalker8938]

I absolutely love the approachfor sharing what we belive and how we get to that belief through revelation while engaging with our fellow Christians in a way they understand (scribes and scripture) with love and understanding.

[@MaureenFedail]

Perfect way to prepare minds for our up coming study of D&C for 2025! Love Stick of Joseph and Jared's Unshaken Saints 🙌🙌Best of both right here! Happy New Year all!

[@JediPitch]

So glad you are able to Get the one and only Jered Halverson to discuss with you. I've been listening to him for over 4 years.

[@dianekayetill7761]

Dear Paul Brothers, I am a HUGE fan of your Podcast! Also I am James, Nick, Ryan, and Annie Carrigan's grandmother and also a HUGE fan of them! I have taught the one on one Book of Mormon program to the missionaries at the MTC for 5 years. LOVED IT!~ Anyway, another subject. In the late 1980's early 1990's we moved to Portland, Texas outside of Corpus Christi, right when "The GodMakers" film was released! We suffered a great deal of persecution for our religion from the effects of that film by the people in Portland during the 3 and 1/2 years we were there. However, we were reading the Book of Mormon EVERY morning and it gave us great strength snd blessings and knowledge of how to face the persecute with love and service to the people. When we left and moved back to Utah we had and still remain friends with, several nonmember people there. I have been asked to speak at our Feb 3rd Empty Nesters group in Lehi, Utah on our experiences in Texas and how we used the Book of Mormon to turn those negative experiences into good relationships. Having listened to your inspiring podcast with Jared Halverson on the subject recently , I am wondering if either of you or both of you would be available that evening to share some of your thoughts from that podcast, along with me sharing our persecution experiences and how we turned them into loving relationships. I would appreciate a response ASAP. Thanks you! Diane Till 801-473-5906

[@LeeWade-n4z]

Thank you for the wonderful things I learn from this discussion which will help me as I strive to bear my testimony of the restoration of priesthood authority and the need for prophets in these latter days without being over bearing!

[@tdijon7]

I love Jared Halverson. His podcast has been an immense source of learning for me. As has yours. Grateful to see the worlds collide.

[@tacticallyacquired7245]

Good luck, Godspeed, and safe travels on your upcoming deployment. Love your guys’ content!

[@pinecone7562]

I love this yt channel and the discussions y'all have with others. Brother Halverson is a super insightful man! Merry Christmas to y'all!

[@wadeenglund5095]

So glad SoJ linked up with Jared. Amazing combo.

[@sagegallagher]

I love the gospel so much. These discussions fill my cup. I have just listened to the first 11 minutes. In a discussion with my daughter who rejects the church, I told her exactly this (choose faith) when we were discussing her view gained from anti-mormon arguments and my answer didn't satisfy her: choose faith, choose which path takes you to happiness. Both sides of the argument were incomplete. There are too many unknowns to base decisions on 100% facts. There's a reason faith is the first principle of the gospel. Okay. Going to finish the podcast now.

[@davidmckenzieii4629]

Well done. Appreciate Dr. Halverson always. To level this up, a conversation of how the Latter-day prophetic voice has had to continually re-interpret the interpretations of previous Latter-day prophetic doctrinal and theological interpretations which have become disavowed.

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

Love Jared so much! And the Stick of Joseph! ❤️☀️

[@jameswines6589]

Where is it written in Ezekiel 37:16 that the Stick of Ephraim is the book of Mormon

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

@ Ezekiel In Ezekiel 37:16, God instructs the prophet to write on two sticks, one for Judah and one for Joseph, and then join them together. In the Book of Mormon A prophecy (in the Book of Mormon), attributed to Joseph of Egypt, predicts that the writings for Judah and Joseph will grow together When we read the Bible and the Book of Mormon, Another Witness of Jesus Christ… we read them together in “one hand”. They compliment each other and are witnesses that Jesus is The Christ, Son of the Living God.

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

@ The Book of Mormon is referred to as the Stick of Joseph in Ezekiel. The Bible is the stick of Judah.

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

@ Bothe The Bible (stock of Judah) and the Book of Mormon (stock of Joseph) are teachings and revelations given by God to His chosen prophets. When you read the two books together they compliment and witness of each others and the promises and prophecies of God are true. ❤️☀️

[@jameswines6589]

@Whatiftheresmore1314 let me educate you on Ezekiel chapter 37 , In Ezekiel 37 16 Simple question I don't need no longer statements in Ezekiel 37:16 who are the Companions of Joseph and Ephraim simple question I'll wait

[@grantfarley5164]

This video was absolutely amazing. Such great perspectives as someone who grew up in the south i know I can be better in interfaith dialogue. The restored gospel is a huge blessing in my life

[@jameswines6589]

Restored gospel where do Mormons get that lie from

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

@@jameswines6589members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe that God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith, and opened the dispensation of the fullness of times. Restored the gospel in preparation for the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. ❤️☀️

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

Me too! ❤☀️🙌🏻

[@jameswines6589]

@@Whatiftheresmore1314 And I know that Joseph Smith lied GOD never dealt with no lying pagan organization So you People can believe Anything you like, Joseph Smith didn't even know GOD is black the Angels is black and the 12 tribes are black people also So how can black Skin be a curse

[@jameswines6589]

@Whatiftheresmore1314 You Mormons are not GOD'S church, the Mormon church was started in 1830 by White dude named Joseph Smith who used religion just to have sex with other men's wives that's why he used the Bible So Mormons would believe him and then added bullshit and the Mormons have been eating it up for over 180 years

[@laurfred2742]

Totally love Jared Halverson. He's an amazing teacher. Gotta watch!

[@lindamartinez7006]

Glad you guys are home . Merry Christmas

[@BuffaloChipp]

Amazing discussion! Thanks all!

[@Canut0]

This whole conversation was 🔥 great episode ❤🙏

[@lyndavallen9070]

Hayden, Jackson and Jared.... What a great combination!! I learned a lot from this video.. Thank you!

[@brittenharmon6911]

You guys got Jared Halverson on the show?!? Let's gooooooooo!! Can't wait to watch this.

[@novawarren5089]

I so love Jared Halverson 😍 UNSHAKEN Watching Jared Halverson always 3:09

[@rock5948]

“Where did the kingdom of God begin? Where there is no kingdom of God there is no salvation. What constitutes the kingdom of God? Where there is a prophet, a priest, or a righteous man unto whom God gives His oracles, there is the kingdom of God; and where the oracles of God are not, there the kingdom of God is not.” Joseph Smith jr. Holy scriptures will never be enough! 🙏🏽 3Nephi 11:29-30 the Lord’s definition of contention is what we need to understand which is this, contention: “he (the devil) stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another.” 30 Behold, THIS IS NOT MY DOCTRINE, to stir up the hearts of men with anger, one against another; BUT THIS IS MY DOCTRINE, THAT SUCH THINGS SHOULD BE DONE AWAY.”

[@jameswines6589]

Totally false, Romans 3:1,

[@rutht2023]

I think the part of 'with anger' is the most important. We need to be able to explain and teach without anger. If we make enemies of the person we are trying to bring to Christ, what good have we done? None. If we can explain and teach with the Holy Ghost, it is effective.

[@jameswines6589]

@rutht2023 do the Mormons know who the Holy Ghost is

[@squirrelicis]

@@jameswines6589 Latter-day Saints, and yes, we do. Thank you for asking.

[@squirrelicis]

@@jameswines6589 "1. What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?" Uh-huh... and what exactly does that have to do with what was said? If anything, you're proving his point

[@gatecrashercanadamb]

The interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream in the Book of Daniel is presented as being correct based on several factors within the narrative: Divine Revelation: The interpretation was given to Daniel through divine revelation. Daniel and his friends prayed for God's mercy to reveal the mystery of the dream, and God answered their prayers by revealing both the dream and its interpretation to Daniel in a vision (Daniel 2:19). This divine source of knowledge is a key reason for trusting the accuracy of the interpretation. Daniel's Confidence and Praise: Before presenting the interpretation to Nebuchadnezzar, Daniel praised God for revealing the mystery, acknowledging God's wisdom and power (Daniel 2:20-23). Daniel's confidence in God's revelation underscores the reliability of the interpretation. Nebuchadnezzar's Reaction: When Daniel recounted the dream and its interpretation, Nebuchadnezzar was so impressed that he fell prostrate before Daniel and acknowledged the greatness of Daniel's God, saying, "Surely your God is the God of gods and the Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries" (Daniel 2:46-47). The king's reaction suggests that Daniel's recounting of the dream matched what Nebuchadnezzar had experienced, affirming its accuracy. Fulfillment of Prophecy: The interpretation of the dream involved a prophecy about the rise and fall of kingdoms, symbolized by the different materials of the statue. Historically, the sequence of empires-Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman-aligns with the interpretation given by Daniel, further supporting its correctness. In summary, the correctness of the interpretation is supported by the divine revelation given to Daniel, his confidence in God's wisdom, Nebuchadnezzar's reaction, and the historical fulfillment of the prophetic elements of the dream.

[@curtiskeller6702]

Joseph Fielding McConkie had his missionaries do this in Scotland from 1989-1992. The missionaries didn’t carry Bibles. Literally. And they changed all Bible scriptures in the discussion/lessons to Restoration scriptures. It was awesome.

[@frankcastle5513]

My spouse was one of them, and it was wrong. The first time I heard that my spirit found it revolting. We are meant to have the writings of the Jews and from the Remnant (in the BoM) and hopefully more to come. After all the Book of Mormon is ANOTHER Testament of Jesus Christ. How can we have "ANOTHER" if we ignore the first?

[@jacoblines6364]

That is a very interesting approach. I would love to hear more about that from people who served there.

[@frankcastle5513]

@@jacoblines6364 The first thing my wife would point out is that JFM was an effective and fruitful Mission President. From the year prior to his leadership to the last year of his leadership the mission went from 100 converts a year to 1,000.

[@lasvegashula]

I love you guys and I love Brother Halverson’s lessons on his Unshaken KZbin channel.

[@ben8285]

I appreciate the discussion about embracing the wrestle. However, I think one important distinction is that we believe we can eventually "come to a knowledge of the truth". The scriptures are replete with examples of people who came to know (whether by sight or by the power of the Holy Ghost) that Jesus is the Christ. Don't ever doubt that God can and will make truths known unto you. By the power of the Holy Ghost, ye may "know" the truth of all things. I know God keeps His promises.

[@freedomfriday2.040]

This was INCREDIBLE!!! Well done!

[@kimberlylawson8240]

Unshaken is an amazing channel

[@freddygonzalez7826]

Good Judges!!!! Great statement

[@naincarmona]

Love brother Halverson!!!!!!!

[@TruthBTold90]

Jared is wonderful. Too often people misquote 3 Ne. 11:29. Remember, the SPIRIT of contention is of the devil. We are to contend for the faith. Jude 1:3. Peacemaking is not at all costs.

[@freesparrowsomeday]

I was not taught to interpret for myself or to trust myself. I was taught and told to trust the brethren cause they’ll never lead me astray. Personal revelation only goes so far…..if it isn’t in line exactly with church doctrine or theology or policies it isn’t valid, I got the wrong answers even told I let Satan influence me and to try again. The best thing I ever did was remove all the voices but God’s voice in my life. Still learning to trust myself and not hand my spirituality to authority.

[@jpalmer2767]

No scripture is of private interpretation. The brethren are not there to get in the way of your relationship to God, rather to signal the way. We have many examples of false angels and false spirits deceiving people. None of us would want to see you led into a harmful belief due to something like that. Personal revelation is so important. But without someone with authority to interpret scripture, it is easy to twist it

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

The apostles and prophets are there to receive revelation for the church. They are to see around corners and help us navigate the turbulent times we are in. But they have been telling us they receive inspiration and revelation for Christ’s church on the earth, but we, the members are to learn how to “hear Christ”, “have the Holy Spirit as our guide”, “receive personal revelation for our individual lives.” President Nelson has been pleading with us and counseling us to know how to receive personal revelation for our own lives. Learn how to hear Him(Christ). If you go back to the last 5 years of conference addresses, EVERY ONE of President Nelson’s addresses have been challenging us, inviting us, counseling us to seek a personal relationship with Christ. ❤️☀️ And he had told us how we will need that relationship in coming days. 🙏🏻

[@BettyHorn]

I've been following Jared since covid! Love his deep dives. That's how I like to study for myself. Thanks for having him on!

[@ItsSnagret]

50k! LETS FREAKING GO 💪🏼

[@toddmorgan7463]

i love jared's unsheken video's he rocks

[@wendyfoster5579]

I watched the Hello Saints with Jared and Jeff, Jeff was lamenting that Jared wasn’t a minister full time and Jared said he could never give up the Book of Mormon and the Temple. It seemed to me he was trying to say additional but I thought it was strange the Jeff didn’t recognize that Jared is teaching the gospel every day and reaching out to so many struggling with their faith. ❤

[@royperkins28]

Awesome!!

[@elizacragun4697]

I've thought about a little bit about the topic of biblical authority, partly because of this channel (which focuses a lot on ways the Book of Mormon restores or clarifies the Bible). Differing interpretations of the Bible is not the only problem, but it is related to another big problem: errors and ommissions. Sooner or later you have to admit that the Bible as we have it today is not perfect, but once you admit the possibliyof error, you open the floodgates. How can we know what if any of it is reliable? Christian detractors would lean towards the second. This underscores the need for revelation and authoritative interpretation, but it also highlights the futility of using the Bible as ultimate proof in any kind of theological disagreement whether it be with a fellow Christian or an atheist. Faith is foundational to gaining knowledge. You have to choose a framework, guided by faith, and then you act on it and find out if it's true or not. But where do we get the framework for our faith? From "the word" whether that be Biblical texts or from the testimony of someone we know or an authority. Scripture is important because it's the jumping off point for our knowledge journey that starts with faith. Also, why should God have to repeat the same things to the prophets each generation if it's already written down? Scripture is a tool we can start with but it can't stand entirely on its own?

[@Houses2Highrises]

Stand with COURAGE (truth) and MIGHT (action)

[@dannyrocket77]

Merry Christmas Paul brothers 🎄♥️

[@squirrelicis]

That's the literal basis of Philosophy, gentlemen. Debates are for points; philosophy is for seeking the truth.

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

🙌🏻❤️❤️❤️

[@CoyoteWindRanch]

You have my favorite guy on! Woohoo! Excited for the show.

[@kcludlow]

Love Brother Halverson! When will he be writing the book on responding to anti-Mormon attacks? I'd love to read it.

[@fredeisele1895]

“The Art of Ridicule in the Age of Reason: The Anti-Biblical Rhetoric of Thomas Paine” If the link does not take. This the title of his dissertation.

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

He also talks about the different tactics the faith attackers use against people of faith on his channel “Unshaken” it’s awesome!

[@jspost3]

So glad you have Brother Halverson on. He’s an incredible teacher.

[@zachdavis7536]

Keep doing your thing! You guys have a great channel! One suggestion: it would be great if your channel was also a podcast.

[@ggrace1133]

Consider how these wonderful communication principles taught here in regard to discussing our religion with others also apply beautifully to husbands and wives trying to discuss individuals needs and concerns in their marriage.

[@terristillwaugh3958]

This is such a great video!! Thank you!!

[@echomountain3370]

1. Contention is attacking someone's character like calling everyone "anti-Mormon" just because they disagree with LDS doctrine or the LDS church. 2. Both Jesus and Paul tore down false doctrine. 3. Until the prophets words are canonized to sort out the difference between when they are speaking as a man or when they are speaking from God, the argument holds no weight. 4. Otherwise, this was a great video with refreshing opinions on interfaith discussions.

[@ronk.6226]

I wish I could remember all this.

[@AnaliliB]

Thank you! ❤ Merry Christmas! 🎄

[@establishingzion688]

I could've listened to 4 hours of your conversation, brethren! Thank you!

[@katiesonlinename]

After watching till 42:40, I have one question: why do you trust this authority you believe the LDS church has? If we go with the idea that Scripture is not enough and we need authority to give revelation about how to interpret it, why do you trust not only the scripture that was given to us by prophetic/apostolic authority thousands of years ago but the modern authority that the LDS church claims to have?

[@kristinearchibald6264]

Wow, that was awesome. Boy I love learning from Jared Halverson!

[@rconger24]

Love Unshaken. *_No commercials!_*

[@Jh4pres]

Great conversation! I enjoyed analogy of a trial. Christ is the one on trial in people’s lives. Not the Bible. The Bible is (among other things) evidence and people dismiss evidence when it doesn’t fit their narrative or case they’d like to build. It is important that people can come to make an accurate judgement on Jesus Christ. A man, myth, prophet or Son of God? I loved the point not letting their love for the Bible be a wedge between members of the Church of Jesus Christ and our other Christian family members. I think there was a missed opportunity to share the importance of the restoring the Book of Mormon in there as well. Similarly, we should not be afraid or ashamed to reference it either. I do like the emphasis on the importance of the Prophets and find that as extremely insightful point. One point I often think about is out of the 8 billion people in the world about 2.5b are Christian and believe in the Bible. The Bible builds a beautiful case that, Jesus is the Christ, the savior and redeemer of the world and is a strong testament. Many people still doubt Or don’t believe. The Book of Mormon is another powerful witness that Jesus is the savior, redeemer of the world and will deliver his people through his tender mercies to the children of men. If there are others trying to bring people to Christ let them come! When I came back to church, I only came for sacrament meeting and left. Now, 11 years later, God and pour out many blessing for me. Not because I have been the most faithful but because of his grace and mercy. I cannot wait for the day when Christ comes and corrects us all for our mistakes and errors in judgement. May God bless us all to be humble and wise!

[@informationtechnologies2234]

Beautifully said, I really needed to read that today. Yes, our faithfulness is important but His character and mercy is sure. Thanks for the reminder😊

[@Tin_Lizzie]

Happy birthday Joseph Smith!!!

[@jameswines6589]

He can't hear you he's dead

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

@@jameswines6589 You’d be surprised what God allows! 😉

[@RLDRemembrance]

Amazing, amazing video. Thank you for all that you guys do and sending all my love your way!

[@miguelalarcon1802]

I'm a mexican living in Mexico, how can I become a student of this man?

[@wendyfoster5579]

He had a KZbin channel called Unshaken.

[@JJones.SideKick]

He's awesome, by the way!!!!

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

On KZbin his channel is called “Unshaken”! He is an amazing teacher! You will not regret learning from him! ❤️☀️

[@roygonzalez2478]

Wow. Subscribed!

[@rconger24]

11:00 faith v knowledge Moral v episyimological 46:00. Daniel was a "dissolver of doubts". (Daniel 5: 12)

[@janfelshaw8217]

Very good.

[@danielmeistre1138]

But knowing doesn't mean you will have the courage to stand for what you know. That's a whole different thing.

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

7:00 that's not what being a "peacemaker" means. "Blessed are the peacemakers" is about them, who reconcile themselves, and help others reconcile with God. It's about entering into His rest, becoming shalom or perfect, complete.

[@BowenUSA]

Just men....made perfect.

[@christiansorensen7567]

I appreciate the thoughts and efforts you guys put into this. I'm pretty ill, and just don't have the energy to deal with those possessed by the spirit of contention. Evangelicals seem to thrive on it. Once they hear you're LDS, they will harass you forever; devoting massive amounts of energy to tearing you down and other Great and Spacious efforts. I'm afraid I'm just at the 'from such turn away' point.

[@americathebeautiful9613]

we still have major problems in our church that we need to address or repent of - we need courage to change those false traditions and unbelief we hold as Latter-day Saints I love and am grateful for the church but for example why won’t the leaders come out and apologize for how they stewarded their sheep during COVID ? That’s just one of many many things It’s good to point out the good and true things of the church but we also need to start really grappling with the issues both leaders and members

[@davidkerman6366]

Latter Day Saints give Primacy to modern prophets, Protestants give primacy to the Bible.

[@jameswines6589]

How can the Mormons have a prophet when GOD has never dealt with the Mormons or Joseph Smith

[@rutht2023]

​​@@jameswines6589 It is rather ironic that you are acting like you have authority from God to say such things. After all, you aren't a Prophet, nor a judge. You don't have authority to say who God has dealings with. I can say that I love my Savior Jesus Christ. He is my Redeemer. I feel the Holy Ghost testify of Jesus Christ.

[@HaleStorm49]

​@@jameswines6589Is it Satan raining down blessings and spiritual prosperity on the Mormons?

[@pinecone7562]

​@@jameswines6589what an unimaginably ignorant assumption to make

[@davidkerman6366]

@ please provide proof for your claim.

[@JJones.SideKick]

I loved this conversation! I enjoy SOJ and always, always love listening and learning from Brother Halverson!!! Merry Christmas everyone!

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

34:00 1) they didn't have chapters and verses 2) many knew the references, no one had to say, hey this is scroll 2 from Isaiah. And who cares which scroll or book it came from if it was from scripture? That is a very weak argument. And the fact remains that Jesus quoted from scripture a lot. Such as when answering the temptations of the devil, saying " it is written..."

[@jpalmer2767]

Yes, but Jesus and every prophet and apostles added to scripture. Anyone who thinks the canon is closed ignores the pattern and they ignore what Jesus taught

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

@jpalmer2767 I am speaking to the downplaying of the importance of scripture. It is an error to do so. It is the primary method, by God's command, for us to hear His word.

[@jpalmer2767]

@ the primary method is revelation, which comes through prophets. Scripture is written down revelation. Every time there was a prophet or apostle alive, their word trumped scripture. So no, scripture is not and never has been primary

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

@@jpalmer2767 You are looking through the wrong end of the binoculars. Yes, true holy scripture is generated via revelation, but that is not how most people start their journey. Joseph Smith started how? By reading the Bible. How many people were called and chosen as prophets and have written down scripture vs how many people began hearing the word by reading scripture.? 99.9% of people are not generating holy scripture. I could list out many a scripture that further illustrate this point, and expressly tells us this, but I think it should be clear.

[@jameswines6589]

​@@jpalmer2767Everything has been told We are just waiting on Prophecy in are days

[@kimberlytousley3450]

❤

[@HealingMSNaturally]

Just a few thoughts: - Gideon verses Nehor (“Nehor is executed for his crimes” after “establishing a church, introducing priestcraft [then] slaying Gideon”) - Alma and Amulek verses the people of Amonihah - Jesus verses the Pharisees (namely “oh ye hyprocrotes”, “vipers”, “whited sepulchers full of dead men’s bones” - Jesus verses the Temple money changers (namely “den of thieves”)

[@DarthMomo]

Honestly a pretty good take

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

27:00 the scriptures themselves say that we are to be judged by what is written in the holy scripture, namely the Bible and BoM. As the Lord said, they both contain the fullness of His Gospel. Now, if we receive something today, by one called of God, then we also know that it will be commanded to be written down. We should not be following any doctrine that does not follow God's established pattern. Do you disagree or disagree?

[@elchilero7091]

I agree with you! Parable of the sower- Jesus compares the Seed to the Word of God. Vision of Tree of Life- Nephi says the Iron Rod is the Word of God. Alma 32- compares the Word of God to a seed that will lead us partake of the fruit. Why obtain the brass plates from Laban if Lehi was already a prophet? General Handbook requires EQ and RS lessons be based on GC talks, not scriptures. I’m sure King Noah told the people to “trust the priesthood keys”… and it got them many wives and concubines.

[@jpalmer2767]

Joseph and Brigham taught that they would rather have a living prophet than be stuck with only the scriptures again.

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

@@jpalmer2767 Actually, that's not what Joseph taught. He taught that we should not rely on the prophet and to not neglect ourselves and our own spiritual development. As far as BY, see how "oracle" is used in the scriptures. BY didn't read his scriptures much, and it shows. BY used the pagan meaning of oracle, meaning a person, as in a false prophet. Whereas in the Bible oracle is the place of communication with YHWH and the communication / revelation itself.

[@nickallen2288]

Grateful for guys like Jared but also guys like cardon Ellis lmao. Give me that fire spice and animosity but also the softhearted.

[@ExtraMedium-]

I believe holy scripture contains truth sufficient for salvation. But since it was given in a language and understanding that is not my own, it is not enough for me. I need revelation, both personal revelation and prophetic revelation. However, I believe that all true modern revelation is consistent with the truth contained in holy scripture.

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

42:00 if you don't spend time in the word, how do you expect it to be written upon your fleshy tablets of the heart by the Spirit? Spending time in the scriptures grants more opportunities for God to inspire me. And it leads into all my other activities and relationships. Without the scriptures we would dwindle in unbelief. How would we know about God's love? God's mercy? God's covenants? Etc.

[@paulblack1799]

Stirred, not shaken. 😊

[@coreymcleod2899]

I see what you did there😀.. nice!

[@HaleStorm49]

13:32 He might be right about this tactic but Jesus must have been referring to contention about doctrinal disputes WITHIN the church AFTER He taught them correct doctrine. At that point he told them to avoid contention. This Scripture gets applied to anything and every thing absent the context in which it was given. Wish you guys had asked him about this. 17:43 Hit submit right when you jumped in on this point. Well played.

[@disciplesofjesuschrist2026]

They cry "a Bible a Bible", only a Bible yet their creeds wherein they have established as doctrine is NOT even in the Bible or Biblical. The Bible never once uses the words 'Trinity:, Rapture," which is non Biblical. They have created dogma that is not Biblical. There is no indication that Linus, the companion of Paul in Rome ever received keys of Apostleship; only Episcopate (Bishop), yet the Universal Church states that Linus was the First father (Pope) even though Jesus said call no man father but your Father which is in Heaven. Matthew 23:9, These are clear indications that manmade creeds and doctrines and Papacy has not efficacy in Biblical writ, an obvious descent into Apostacy