little mix, blackfishing, and the girl group hardship

[@yashikacarstairs]

I didn't even know that Jesy was white until all this went down. I thought she was mixed. That speaks volumes.

[@yellamo4740]

i always thought she was mixed, and i stanned them for a good couple of years.

[@thesassynerd]

Do you never see a black woman ?

[@-l-2865]

Same. When i saw the music video for black magic, i bagan to stan them at this time, i thought that the group is very diverse. But then i found out last year jesy is white. And i thought how tf did she get so tanned to the point that she looked mixed already. And she isn’t even portraying a black girl, she’s portraying a black girl stereotype.

[@yashikacarstairs]

@@-l-2865 I'm brown and jesy is like 4 shades darker than me💀

[@929er13]

same. i was like wtf ¿

[@dontgetinthecarjames]

Also the fact that she commented on her other bandmates bodies saying they "don't get fat" when Jade has talked about her struggles with eating disorders and anorexia just doesn't sit right with me at all.

[@vera8415]

and very few people remember that Perrie was born with esophageal atresia, mostly because she doesn't f****** bring it up all the time, but as far as I know this condition also impacts on the amount of food people can eat, and if Perrie ate a lot of bad food, she wouldn't feel well, set aside gaining weight

[@dontgetinthecarjames]

​@@vera8415 omg yes! I forgot about this for a sec but you are completely correct, I'm pretty sure it also makes it harder to swallow food but I'm not 100% sure on that. I get that Jesy went through a lot but I hate the way she invalidates problems like racism and ED that her "friends?" went through just to make her problems seem bigger when in reality comparing trauma is extremely unhealthy and is part of the problem why people don't speak out about their struggles cause they feel like their problems don't matter as much, ugh it just frustrates meeee

[@vera8415]

@@dontgetinthecarjames exactly! I wish she didn't act like a victim almost all the time and realised that everyone has their own problem or trauma. People just need to support each other more often. Anyway, now we can only look back and find vids of her that just screamed 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩, and we all decided not to see them and justify them somehow. Maybe that's the reason for all that happened in the last few weeks - people justified too many things she did 🙄

[@dontgetinthecarjames]

@@vera8415 agree 100%, I feel like since this is all unravelling people are realizing. I can't speak for everyone obvi but to me there was always something off about her you know? And it wasn't anything to do with the way she looked or compared to the other girls (obvi always knew about the blackfishing but the bullying and shit) but more she sometimes felt distanced or standoffish with others, especially recently with Leigh, like on The Search where they had different opinions and Jesy was just being rude about it like? there is no reason for that. And to be honest my heart aches for Leigh and the girls, they were there with Jesy all the time, supported her when she was at her worst and catered their studio sessions to fit around how she was feeling and then with the documentary they supported her too and then when it came to Leigh and Jade's docu she didn't say shit or support them or anything and said that "they handled it better" like no. They literally made this whole thing to show that couldn't handle it and it isn't something they should have to handle and she completely dismissed them. She just seems so cold and I also thought the reason she left was because of the bullying and all and then to release music within the year? something defo went on behind the scenes that we probably won't ever hear about

[@vera8415]

@@dontgetinthecarjames and now I agree 100% 😅 I think all that she has done, does now and will do in the nearest future will go full circle and strike her herself. It already does to some extent. No band member in the history of music has ever left with such a drama. If she thought it's a good way to promote her music, well, good luck to her 😬

[@user-pm2xi4zd1m]

the thing is... jesy was always open about how she envied the girls for being "skinny" and "prettier" but i feel like we're realising how deep it ran

[@bellac6311]

also not to mention how Jade said herself she struggled with EDs, and im fairly sure Perrie was born with a medical condition that affects her eating (makes it harder to swallow, i think). Like, girl, do you not know how comparing yourself to others bc youre insecurea nd jealous hurts THEM too? Or do you you just not care? Honestly im starting to like Jesy less and less

[@MsLiannne]

@@bellac6311 yes... an old best friend of mine compared herself to me ALL THE TIME and it got so bad to the point she would talk to our other friends about me and comparing herself to me and instigating comparison when having talks with them but act like nothing happened around me. It became such a toxic environment bc from her insecurity lead to comparison lead to jealousy which the ultimate downfall of our friendship. It was like I couldnt breathe or fully be myself anymore bc I was afraid if I did something wrong she would get hurt. Not saying I wanted to hurt her but I knew where her mindset was and it just wasn’t getting any better. Eventually it was like her trying to convince other ppl that she is the victim and I am the one instigating it. Situations like these can get so messy with friends.

[@mishmash3058]

The term Single white female springs to mind

[@darraghcollins1374]

I don’t think that perrie was born with that she just had no sense of smell

[@Lost-mb1gj]

@@darraghcollins1374 She was, she’s had surgery on her esophagus I believe. (I know because she has a surgery scar on her torso).

[@heysilly1341]

I really think that Simon sabotaged Little Mix in the U.S. so they couldn’t compete with 5th Harmony

[@mariii6021]

Simon sabotaged every artist under him for some reason

[@jasminemarco]

@@mariii6021 yess

[@mariii6021]

He had a lot of talented artists but what did he do? Sabotage them And let's not talk about what he did to his female artists especially lm and 5h

[@nameisamine]

5th Harmony wasn’t really that successful outside of their club bangers, their album sales were never particularly strong. They only started to majorly breakthrough after making club records like Worth it & Work from Home. I always always waiting for Little Mix to drop club bangers but they never really went there, not for the US market, I guess “Touch” was as close as they came

[@ArtistWay7]

That is %100 true

[@hneedstherapy]

i heard someone say that nicki only defends artists that she doesn’t see as a threat. like she called out miley and doja for appropriation but then defends jesy without a second thought. i think that whoever said that is totally right and that she totally is against other women being successful especially if it means she loses ANY OUNCE of fame

[@anothermixer]

She cares just about money

[@sangitamunian6317]

When did she ever call out doja OR miley for appropriating black culture? 💀

[@jaydinj7659]

@@sangitamunian6317 did you miss her feud with miley in 2014? she called her out at the VMAs

[@thesassynerd]

It's interesting I never thought about it

[@jxstadri]

Doja is a black woman tho right so, she calls out a black woman for loving her culture but defends a white woman approbiating her culture, alright🥴

[@viviennebieri8340]

Jesy is acting like Leigh-Anne should've told her years ago, but in the documentary Leigh clearly states that the first few years she didn't even know she was used as the typical, token black girl. Because of her doc, she was able to educate herself and understand the issue better. Jesy should do the same instead of just playing the victim card.

[@DreamsAreMakeBelieve]

And it's not the black woman's job to educate the white woman!!

[@viviennebieri8340]

@@DreamsAreMakeBelieve exactly!

[@annevanmierlo3771]

More importantly; why should it be an obligation to Leigh-Anne to educate Jesy? Shouldn't she educate herself? It should in no way, shape or form be the obligation of a POC to educate white people on why what they are doing is harmful. That assumption in itself is quite harmful in my opinion

[@viviennebieri8340]

@@annevanmierlo3771 true! Jesy had enough opportunities to educate herself, she just chose to ignore it

[@spooksboh6251]

@@annevanmierlo3771 i feel like the fact that they were allegedly friends for so long and still jesy did NOTHING to educate herself and support leigh-anne (and black people in general ofc) makes this even worse

[@heysilly1341]

It really sucks about Jessy’s video because she didn’t use “black culture” as an aesthetic; she used black stereotypes as an aesthetic Edit: Ok so there are a couple of people replying who don’t actually understand what I meant with my original comment and tend to be a bit combative, so I’m please begging you guys to ignore them and not to engage with them. It really isn’t worth the trouble. Thank You 💖

[@jasminezade]

good way to say this!!!!

[@melissapolson3023]

Im for the uk baddie all the way

[@Hafferlaf87]

Oh perhaps you’re the one seeing only “black stereotypes”.

[@heysilly1341]

@@Hafferlaf87 yea nah

[@Hafferlaf87]

@@heysilly1341 How come I don’t then?

[@rajyasreemukherji1668]

I also think it's insane that Leigh has been getting so much hate, especially after just having twins. Tons of women (or just birthing people) experience post-partum depression or anxiety and almost all have symptoms. I really hope she isn't doing too bad and sees how many people are in support of her through this incredibly strange time.

[@rajyasreemukherji1668]

@@andipoe7765 Midwifes are hugely under appreciated! Thank you for all you do :)

[@strawberreez]

You're also almost as much as twice more likely to have post-partum when you have twins, so I've honestly been so concerned for Lee-lee. I really hope she is surrounded by only love and support at the moment.

[@sumisolaolusesi1228]

Leigh is not getting hate.Almost everybody is on Leigh side.Are u guys not tired of playing Leigh as the victim.Twitter KZbin insta.They are all supporting Leigh.

[@strawberreez]

​@@sumisolaolusesi1228 I'm so glad you haven't seen the hate, but unfortunately, it's out there, it's very loud, and Leigh has definitely seen it. She said as much (while getting emotional, breaking my freaking heart) at her birthday party.

[@sumisolaolusesi1228]

@@strawberreez What hate do u guys even Watch Nicki live on Instagram.Or u just follow what is said on the Internet.

[@santania8433]

Nicki wants to call someone a clown, but she’s truly the clown. During that whole live Nicki was trying to deflect from all the drama that’s been following her lately, with her husband and legal problems.

[@sangitamunian6317]

She never deflected from that case, the lawsuit against her actually got rejected by the judge a few days ago, so idk what you're talking about.....

[@santania8433]

@@sangitamunian6317 Nicki was trying to deflect everything that was happening regarding her husband and the case. Even before the live/song with Jesy, Nicki was spreading a lot of misinformation about the covid vaccine to get the heat off of her husband and all the drama that came with him. And I know that her case was rejected, but that doesn't mean what she was saying and doing towards the SA victim was right, nor was she right to coddle Jesy and call Leigh-Anne jealous or a clown, when she's in fact the true clown.

[@-l-2865]

@@santania8433. i saw a tiktok talking about this since she wants everyone to ignore her husband and talk about someone else and she found a good topic that everyone would talk about, jesy’s blackfishing; she defended jesy and attacked leigh. The tiktok also talked about how nicki is biased and only supports someone if it benefits her.

[@linzym.nunezc.1207]

Nicki is SO ignorant, but she’s a strong fan base so she’ll be in the spotlight for a long time.

[@sumisolaolusesi1228]

Arrg.Nicki is this,Nicki is that.She live in u guys head rent free

[@gabrielle3650]

Jesy always chose to wear what would make her stand out while saying "I couldn't wear trousers and tops because the girls didn't" but that's pretty much all the girls wear. And she was always had such a victim mentality, acting like the other girls' problems didn't exist and hers were the only ones that mattered. So the things she says are a little ... interesting.

[@rosanak2374]

I have also noticed that in almost all their music videos, concerts, appearances Jesy shows the most skin out of all the girls and wears the most revealing outfits. Now there is nothing wrong with showing skin but that is not how someone would dress if they are really that insecure about their body. She wore the most outfits that deliberately showed off her figure. No one made her do that, she chose to. Honestly I think she victimised herself so that when she inevitably left the band because she could not bear sharing the spotlight, the Little Mix fans would follow her and she wouldn't lose a strong fan base.

[@belladimanno]

@@rosanak2374 i don’t think she would ‘plan’ it like that. it doesn’t make sense to make such behaviour calculated or pre meditated. when you got your own shit going on it’s natural (i’m not saying it’s right) to dismiss others’ issues.

[@thesassynerd]

I agree it was hard for Leigh Anne and Jade to face about racism she'q just narcisstic ans egocentric

[@thesassynerd]

@@rosanak2374 people are all different you can show your skin and be insecure it's irrelevant

[@ArioneCS2]

@@rosanak2374 Those kind of outfits were to show off parts of her body that she DID like and that she got compliments about, BECAUSE she was insecure about the rest of her body

[@kat-bc9id]

For me it’s always appalling to look back and realize just how self-centered Jesy was this entire time. Leigh was treated differently, even by fans, for being black. Jade was barely out of the hospital after almost dying from the consequences of her eating disorder. And after Zayn left One Direction in 2015, Perrie was bombarded with hate for allegedly "causing" his leaving somehow and was attacked saying she was the reason multiple fans took their lives, in addition to the fact that she suffers from anxiety disorder. So yes, Jesy had a tough time, no one will deny this, but it is absolutely wrong of her to act like the others had an easy ride. Everyone has their struggles and the problem is that she chose to ignore those of the people around her

[@fanni24]

It shows how selfish and ignorant she is. If she'd really been friends with the other three girls, she wouldn't have tried to turn the limelight on herself all the time when someone wasn't addressing her problems but the rest of the girls'. I partly think this is why she decided to leave the band as well, she thought that the attention will only be on her and she wouldn't need to share it.

[@tatemitchell1479]

THIS.

[@funkerman86]

are you serious when you said fans took their lives because of 1D disbanding? are there really that stupid people in the world ?

[@e.1067]

I think jesy saying that leigh was better at handling it was not her saying leigh had less problems. But still, i think "handling it better" plays into the idea of how Black woman are "stronger, tougher, more masculine", which actively puts leigh's struggles to the back. In this essay i will-

[@DreamsAreMakeBelieve]

Honestly please continue this essay because I am ready to read it lol

[@LeilaleilaZ]

Yes, I agree. I think it also was a little bit pushing further this victim mentality again in order for us to think that she's still the weakest, most affected by hatred. Like "yeah Leigh had problems, but she was better at handling them as opposed to me who had SUCH a hard time". That's the way I interpreted it and the message underlying here, whether conscious or not

[@lobaetoile8440]

I don't think her thought process was that elaborated... Jessy seems to be "stuck on feeling like a victim, feeling as if she's alone in the world and has suffered more than anyone" and when you're stuck on a place of self pity, you become very egocentric and neglectful with others, you can't even think outside of your own pain and morbid victimization.

[@yossyasmey8245]

*Proceeds a 6 page essay about opposite sides, analysing and evaluating each and every small point and syllable the girls have vocalised*

[@wandering_penguino]

First off, no essay, boring. Second off you sound like the doctors who thought POC had harder skin

[@mmarimarimari]

The fact that jesy comments on things like body image saying "you don't get fat" to jade, who's struggled with anorexia and eating disorders, and perrie who had a throat condition that meant she couldn't eat much and was malnourished for a lot of her childhood, is so harmful. Then her documentary comes out, full support from leigh anne (+all the other girls) but leigh annes documentary barely gets any support/recognition from her? shes eager to stay away from the topic of racism as well, like why is she so scared of it? I get she's had her own struggles and I respect her for that but she could be more supportive and understanding of her bandmates struggles.

[@hotmess2766]

I hear on social media shes thrown out the word ni gga a once singing rap lyrics in insta videos and she think its normal

[@jagp135]

@@hotmess2766 that's completely made up

[@hotmess2766]

@@jagp135 No jesy stan it is not. There's plenty of people who witnessed it. She likes to black fish but doesn't care about black people their stereotypes or their plights not even her former bandmate. Most mixers don't like or support her anymore and thats her problem 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@jagp135]

@@hotmess2766 show me a single proof of that then.

[@hotmess2766]

@@jagp135 I'm not Google lmao but seriously the fact was she posted her friend at a new years party on Instagram singing the chris brown song "freaky Friday" singing the N word she posted it 😂 what does that tell you she thinks its normal to use that term or she thinks she's black lmao 🤣

[@sugarpearl9781]

“Jesy just had this sort of bad habit of projecting these insecurities onto her band mates and also you know trying to downplaying their own insecurities to make hers seem worse” Yup. That’s exactly it. Something about her has seemed off to me for a while and this is it. It goes beyond the black fishing. That comment she made about Jade not putting on any weight was so gross to me. Jade has been very open about her eating disorder. Why would she even think to say that? And her not really saying anything about the racism Leigh Anne went through despite her supposed love for black culture? And just the fact that Leigh is one of her best friends? Idk I just think she has bad energy and she’s been acting like a bad friend for a while.

[@hotmess2766]

you're right on point. Its really painful watching all their interviews for years and her always being moody and ruining their fun & happiness and yet the 3 LM sweethearts always looked after her. Jesy reeked of pure envy for years. True Mixers wont support her

[@user-bj7em4fv1p]

As someone who also had anorexia in the past I honestly don’t see a huge issue with what Jesy said to Jade. It’s a little insensitive, yes, but people are making it look like she’s being straight up evil. They probably had this kind of conversations all the time and Jade was probably fine with it. Perhaps I am not noticing something other people are seeing; I certainly think there are a lot of good reasons to criticise Jesy but I don’t think that’s one of those.

[@hotmess2766]

@@user-bj7em4fv1p With all due respect I think the point they were making was Jesy is inconsiderate to the other plights the Little Mix members had to go through and highlights her struggles above everything. Which is selfish 🤔 I'm absolutely adamant that she is selfish and its plain to see

[@user-bj7em4fv1p]

@@hotmess2766 I do think she’s selfish too. The fact that she didn’t show any support to Leigh with her documentary and, as far as we know, never showed concern for Leigh’s struggles with racism and feeling ignored for the entirety of career is very problematic. Leigh was always the least liked in the group…it’s true that Jesy was attacked all the time but Leigh was attacked too. I just don’t think those comments about not gaining weight are as bad as other people seem to perceive them. Again perhaps I am not seeing something obvious, I am not saying my opinion is the end all be all.

[@sugarpearl9781]

@@user-bj7em4fv1p You’re right, maybe Jade was fine with it. But I also have friends who struggle with EDs and disordered eating and commenting on their weight like that is just something I would never do. Telling someone who suffered with anorexia how much you envy their ability to not gain weight (edit: especially when they’ve probably struggled to gain weight and have a healthy view of their body) just seems like something you shouldn’t do. But it’s different for everyone I guess.

[@timitwoshoes]

the impact that little mix had (and still has) on the industry. I feel like in our current generation “girl crush” trope is saturating music but they imo brought something new to the table. it’s a shame how scandals can literally diminish the accolades and achievements that artists have achieved over the years. Though ppl weren’t as aware of the blackfishing, i am happy that it is being recognised - better late than never i guess…

[@twiggledowntown3564]

What's girl crush trope?

[@armanimiller]

And then in their album LM5 they shed their bubblegum girlcrush persona and really came into themselves

[@timitwoshoes]

@@twiggledowntown3564 it’s basically associates female empowerment and liberation with how the message of a song resonates with a female audience; I feel like a great example of this is BLACKPINK.

[@Ri57490]

@@timitwoshoes No, the greatest example of this is 2ne1. BlackPink are the most famous example of this but they are style over substance. In the west, TLC are the best example of 'girl crush'. Followed by The Spice Girls.

[@LyzaLawal]

@@timitwoshoes respectfully Blackpink is not the best example of girl crush as they don’t have or follow women empowerment vibe I think a better term for little mix is girl power trope. Blackpink are labelled Gurl crush because they don’t make bubblegum pop music (which they do).

[@km692]

The thing that really gets to me is that, even if something bad has happened between Jesy and Leigh and they really hate each other, Jesy should never have sat their quietly and allowed Nicki to attack her like that. She has positioned herself as an advocate for anti-bullying for years now, every interview she has done since leaving LM has been heavily focused on the damaging effects of online hate. She sat in silence knowing that her and Nicki’s fans would jump on this and immediately start sending hate. She knows how people sending her cruel messages seriously damaged her mental health, so she knows the damage that people sending Leigh these messages could do to her, especially being postpartum which is one of the most vulnerable times of a woman’s life. If she had just interrupted Nicki, said “I appreciate you standing up for me, but I’m not comfortable calling people names on the internet”, she would have come away looking like the bigger person and people would have respected her so much more. If she’s going to talk the talk about bullying, she needs to start walking the walk.

[@LeilaleilaZ]

I'm assuming she still has this mentality that no struggle is bigger than hers so in her mind whatever happens to Leigh can't be worse than her situation. I don't think she'll feel remorseful for all of this at all

[@jagp135]

Idk about you but if I were her I wouldn't interrupt either. Nicki had already planned what she said and I doubt Jesy would want to get on her bad side.

[@RomansVault]

the funniest thing is Nicki was bashing Cardi B for apparently profiting off of black culture (but.. she is part black but whatever) for YEARS but now she's out here supporting black fishing with her whole chest because she's the feature and it's getting her coin? it's extremely hypocritical of nicki.

[@LeilaleilaZ]

She's been such a clown in some circumstances 🤦‍♀️

[@hotmess2766]

@@LeilaleilaZ She's always clown and hypocrite

[@alicepaesleme313]

it only goes to show even more that the sole reason she bashed Cardi was because she couldnt stand not being the only mainstream female rapper anymore... she couldnt care less about blackfishing

[@daniellaomolo8724]

This might sound weird but I really think Nicki was paid to defend Jesy

[@adamdevereaux2713]

Cardi ain’t Black. She has Afro heritage. They ain’t always synonymous.

[@gabrielle3650]

The sad thing is is they've performed in America before and been on late late and idk it's like the second they leave America everybody forgets the hype

[@mixerxdirectioner2489]

their performances/interviews aren't even on the offical late late show page too. it doesnt make sense

[@leonorvictorino1983]

Sadly, they're blackmailed in America, so yeah... their american label doesn't give a sh*t about them

[@shelley6373]

I remember being really disappointed but not in anyway surprised when I saw the music video for 'Boys' (is it boys with a 'z'? Whatever) I wasn't surprised to see Jesy blackfishing, but given that Nicki Minaj so gloriously called Miley Cyrus out for culture appropriation just a few years ago I was disappointed to see her not only supporting Jesy's blackfishing but attacking another black woman in the process

[@jasminezade]

SOOO true about nicki calling out miley. the switch up from that is extremely odd and unfair

[@jade_ehx600]

she won’t call our jest bc she doesn’t see her as a threat

[@bloodsugar4092]

Nicki is very selective towards who she calls out . she's an opportunist. plus what Jessy did is nothing compared to what miley did . Miley did take advantage of Hip Hop culture to elevate her bangerz era but she never dressed like a black person , she was still a white woman doing hip-hop infused sound music while here we have Jessy desperately trying to appear like a mixed black woman as if our Natural skin colour and features are an accessory . Smh

[@shelley6373]

@@jasminezade I think remembering how she handled Miley’s culture appropriation ultimately made her handling of Jesy’s blackfishing all the more confusing. But it’s not the first time people have disagreed on what counts as appropriation and appreciation. LOVE your videos btw!

[@shelley6373]

@@bloodsugar4092 @jade_ehx yeah I saw a couple of comments mention that she only calls out people she sees as a threat. My problem is Jesy isn’t gonna learn at this rate if she is being enabled by a black woman. It’s infuriating

[@parurushi]

i’ve never been a super dedicated mixer but i’ve followed the group casually and gotten all of their albums through the years and when i heard about jesy taking a hiatus last year and then leaving officially i was very sad. i would never wish the amount of body shaming and hate she got for her looks on anyone, but having been bullied doesn’t give her a free pass to never get called out when there are valid criticisms to be made. i wonder if she ever watched leigh’s documentary herself, cause i can’t imagine hearing someone who’s been supporting me and being like a sister to me for over a decade opening up like that about how her struggles and just being like “...well anyways, i have an appointment at the tanning salon” also people keep calling leigh jealous and yet she’s still and incredibly talented and beautiful woman who is celebrating 10 years as a member of one of the biggest pop acts of our time AND recently stared a family which she had wanted to do for a long time, all things considered she’s doing pretty well methinks so jealous of what exactly? *edit to add that ever since she left, little mix have not spoken ill about her, have wished her the best multiple times, and included her in their brit award speech. we’ve all seen how more often than not when a girl group or boy group member leaves, the rest of the band ends up pretending they were never there, so imo this shows how they really had a good chemistry and dynamic among them, and makes jesy’s actions even more disappointing

[@lilsishope718]

You said it!!!

[@ShinSeul]

This!

[@raincandy3]

Dude Leigh jealous of HER? lmao delulu

[@parurushi]

@@raincandy3 that’s an argument I’ve seen people see 😭 I guess because she has a solo career now cause apparently that’s the end goal for everyone, a solo career that might not go very well lmao

[@gabrielle3650]

first GROUP, not just girl group in history to ever do so and will stay that way since x factor is no more. But yes, SPILL on all their success since some people like to act like they aren't successful 👀

[@DreamsAreMakeBelieve]

Yesss no one ever mentions that they were the first GROUP to win the x factor, period. And also only like one of two groups to ever win since x factor is now over. Feel like people accidentally diminish their success when they say first girl group

[@awefawn7793]

YES THIS POINT! so many people forget that one direction LOST, and little mix WON.

[@millieboon]

But the fact that they haven’t toured America and have these sales is sooo good and the fact that that haven’t broken America and is in the top 5 best selling girl groups

[@2ndKidd]

The way on that insta live Perrie’s smile literally dropped for a sec cause she has also had an eating disorder, before just laughing it off for the audience. And then the next day (or was it the same day?) Jesy tells Jade she never puts on weight like that wasn’t the exact problem she had that led to her eating disorder. Idk, Jesy can say that all these micro aggressions are innocent but when you get called out to your face what you’ve been doing, it really shows the type of person she is to not respond empathically. Especially to the people who (even she says) have always supported her. What a slap to the face

[@jagp135]

Hol up, Perrie has NEVER had an eating disorder. Where tf did you get that from?

[@hihowareyou1714]

@@jagp135 i don't think it was an eating disorder, but she did have problems with her digestive system and needed to get surgery, both of which naturally affected her eating habits.

[@jagp135]

@@hihowareyou1714 she had those problems when she was a toddler and got the surgery very early on. She has a scar to show it. But I don't see how that would make her uncomfortable at all. Especially since she's joked about it many times.

[@sophie_drachen]

​@@jagp135 I can't remember if she had acid reflux problems (GERD) or something similar but when she was younger she had problems swallowing food, Perrie that is. I think Jade had anorexia.

[@2ndKidd]

@@jagp135 I mean, it’s TECHNICALLY speculation that that was what Perrie was going through in 2015-ish? During her breakup with Z. Idk man, side by side pictures indicate something drastic. Missing some meals bcuz of a busy schedule or something doesn’t make you lose weight that quickly. I mean maybe it was just all the stress or something else but after SOTME (which they’ve all said was a therapeutic writing sesh) Perrie was always saying how much happier she was, and you can see how much healthier she was too. I remember Alex posting a pic of her on some swings and ppl thought it was photoshopped bcuz she had an ass ass lol They don’t have to disclose everything with their fans but the fandom has speculated, that’s for sure

[@ElizabethNicoleSchwartz]

I hope Jesy learns from this. I don't know if she will since she's been blackfishing for years, but it'd be nice if she woke up.

[@heatherwarden2689]

Nah As usual be some else's fault

[@LeilaleilaZ]

She's repeatedly been told how wrong her actions are apparently and it seems to not weigh on her conscience bc in her mind probably she's not "hurting anyone" therefore she's doing nothing wrong

[@ElizabethNicoleSchwartz]

@@LeilaleilaZ well she's definitely wrong if she thinks she's not hurting anyone!

[@syd658]

I honestly don't think shell learn unless the people around her change she's already been told once but didn't change

[@taehyunglover5499]

i would honestly listen to you talk for hours lol you’re so fascinating to listen to, this was such an interesting video!!

[@jasminezade]

thank u so much!!!???? !!

[@raverie1225]

i agree and i, too, am a taehyung lover 💟

[@taehyunglover5499]

@@raverie1225 a person of taste, i see

[@raverie1225]

@@taehyunglover5499 you know it 😩

[@DAVIDxINFINITY]

@@raverie1225 same 😫💕 got me screaming SWEET NIGHT BY TAE

[@doriannicole9453]

i’m glad you mentioned wanting to cover little mix again in a more positive subject, because I know stans are gonna come whine in your comments about “needing” to do that. amazing and super necessary video queen!

[@Lucia-pm7zs]

we want you in little mix's management! they deserve to be big in the usa

[@ahnarey]

thank you so much for covering this. the most frustrating thing about this situation is the way people are trying to paint this narrative that jesy is being "sabotaged" and trying to make her the victim in this when she isn't. jesy's black fishing has been an ongoing conversation since the glory days/LM5 era, leigh anne and jade brought it up during the sweet melody MV, people brought it up when she initially went solo, and now it's blown up into this. point being, jesy has had countless opportunities to sit down with herself and do the work but she just refuses to do so. i get that jesy has been through a lot, but her struggles aren't a get out of jail free card for people to wave around when she's perpetuating negative stereotypes about black men being "bad" and "hood," things that contribute to black men being viewed as "dangerous" and being imprisoned and/or killed in the first place. above all else i really do feel for leigh anne right now, especially considering the fact that she just had two babies. i can only imagine how painful it is to watch somebody you considered to be a sister take on all of the attributes that you were discriminated against for, and profiting off of those things when she never actually cared about your culture in the first place. and jesy having the nerve to sit there and laugh as nicki dragged her like-?? she deserves an apology, period.

[@jordanleighwheatley]

I know jesy tries to say that she's tan because she's been on vacation, etc. But it's obvious she's lying because her skin is too nice for someone to tan in the sun or sunbed to maintain that level of darkness. I grew up in the early 2000s where a lot of white girls lived in the tanning bed and their skin ALWAYS shows hella signs of aging. So it's obvious that she's choosing to spray tan this dark. Repeatedly. It's one thing if a white person gets a tan in the sun by swimming or whatever but this is so pointed.

[@hotmess2766]

haha yep someone in the comments said 'instagram page of her make up artist revealed she puts Brazilian Dark make up on Jesy' LMAO I mean you couldn't make this up. Jesy is a blackfishing liar

[@jordanleighwheatley]

@@hotmess2766 why in the world would you lie about that when you're in the public eye? She's really not fooling anyone.

[@nightwishisthegreatestband6355]

I have never understood whote people's need to tan especially excessively.

[@zahrahali8631]

Yeah plus if she actually did get that dark she wouldn’t have worn makeup in the livestream

[@amemelia]

@@nightwishisthegreatestband6355 neither, i understand the fashion of tanning used to be about how the more tanned you are, it meant you had more money to be able to go on holiday regularly an spend time away from work kind of thing but I don't get why tanning is still a thing. I understand a product to make Skin colour look one colour as patches of different colour skin and it not be uniform can be an insecurity (like strawberry ,eggs when shaving kind of thing) but why not make it to actually fit your shade like foundation

[@CrazyJamaicanCook]

When Jesy says "She's better at dealing with it than I am". . . This is the classic undermining of a Black woman's humanity that is not considered racism but is probably one of the worst and most insidious kinds. You see it in everyday society, in workplaces, in hospitals--particularly childbirth situations where Black women are less likely to be believed about pain thresholds, etc. They are deemed "hardier", more "resilient", etc., as if their feelings don't matter, or as if they have no right to complain. It's hurtful when strangers treat you like this, but when the same indifference comes from close friends, workmates and family members (because Blacks are often racist amongst themselves within their own familial groups [esp. with Colourism]) it can be utterly devastating. If this was Jesy's attitude to Leigh's struggles, then it makes sense that she would dismiss her concerns over blackfishing, and it also makes sense that the relationship between the two would become strained over time. But they are still very young people, and I hope that in time Jesy will come to understand and show some remorse for her dismissive attitude towards her Black bandmate, and esp. for throwing her under the bus with Nicki Minaj... humiliating her so publicly in what seemed like an unprovoked attack. Anyway, I am always wary of White people who prattle on about how much they "love" Black culture, music etc. because these are the very same people who show the least empathy towards the Black people in their lives, esp. the Black women.

[@crazygirlash101]

The thing about Nicki's comments on the ig live about how LA is 'jealous' of Jesy having Nicki as a feature on her solo debut, when Nicki has a whole song with Little Mix... She didn't have all this promo for Woman Like Me but going hard for Boyz...

[@GretchenV95]

I can’t comprehend going through horrible bullying and then turning around and not caring whether your former band mates go through it as well.

[@Annie_B42]

As a white person it was always pretty difficult for me to grasp the concept of blackfishing/cultural appropriation tbh. I thought someone presenting in the way Jesy does was the same as a black woman wearing a blonde wig for example. But you explained it really clearly and as I was reading the comments here where it was said that its not about genetics but the (damaging) stereotypes attached to it, I think I have a better understanding of it now. So thank you for that! This is the first time I stumbled across one of your videos, but I definitely subscribed after this one. Very well researched and informative whilst still entertaining. Keep it up!

[@NYD666]

There's a huge difference between a wig and stealing a whole aesthetic and not giving credit

[@sparkleytxt4041]

You can’t appropriate blonde hair since many people not just whites can have blonde hair

[@eviexedits9301]

@@sparkleytxt4041 and also blond people have never been oppressed for being blond

[@photographyserena]

happy that you’ve educated yourself on the issue!

[@OGseoulite]

Maybe how about you go research and find black women who talk about blackfishing themselves here on KZbin to get a better understanding cause I can tell you although what she said was helpful to you, it could’ve been much better and already only a black woman can tell you all the nitty gritty uglies of blackfishing. I suggest typing in the search bar and find a few videos to be educated by black women on how blackfishing affects us & how it’s the modern day minstrel show. Cause if all you got from what she said is that black people wearing blond wigs is anywhere comparable to a person literally race baiting & pretending to be or allowing people to assume they are what they aren’t.

[@crystallily1]

Jesy definitely deserves the criticism but I also see some of the same people criticising and attacking Jesy defending people like Ariana Grande doing similar. We also need to do better as people and if we’re calling one out, call all of them out

[@MixtiMusic]

I think that most of us have been calling out Ariana since she started speaking in AAVE out of nowhere, tanning hella, and culturally appropriating Black genres of music.

[@yourambitioniskey]

seems like jesy's own struggles and envy of her fellow members has resulted in her inability to empathise with them. No matter what struggles any other little mix member went through it seems like the resentment she felt ran much deeper than anyone realised until now. Doesn't seem as though jesy feels that anything they went through can compare to her own struggles and thus allows her a free pass to do as she pleases. blackfishing ain't cute on any yt person and if she loves the culture so much, maybe she should show some respect

[@eviezucchinimartini]

it's embarrassing to admit this because i'm biracial but i literally thought jesy was black, at least biracial black, for *years*. i've been more of a casual fan but i remember asking someone who considered themselves a stan and they said she was a woman of color. as soon as i found out she was white, i was like, 'she is 1000000% a blackfisher.' the fact she sees nothing wrong with this...

[@margaritapeggyschuylervanr2486]

i’m so embarrassed to say i thought she was a biracial person

[@gabihill9016]

these videos are my only serotonin boost i get in my week

[@adyachoudhary183]

Honestly, when u were talking about how easy it would be to break little mix into the US market, it just struck me that their latest album 'between us' would be the perfect way to introduce them to a new audience. It is essentially a collection of their biggest singles from their previous 6 albums and a couple of new songs. I really hope their team takes this opportunity to promote and hopefully set tour dates in the US. Them breaking out in the US has been long overdue. People who have achieved not even 1% of what little mix has have tours in the US, it's really sad that they don't come here. Also, lm did appear appear on james corden's show once and opened for Ariana on her dw tour but still lack major support here...

[@midnightblue1293]

The one thing i will say is Perrie has said she tans / uses fake tan but nobody has ever confused her for someone of a different race while with Jesy they have. It’s likely because Jesy goes way darker than Perrie with the tan. Also Perrie doesn’t change everything else about her to look like a completely different person.

[@midnightblue1293]

I’ve seen comments of people mixing up Jade (Woc) and Jesy (a white women) which is shocking. I’ve been a little mix fan since X factor so I’ve always known she was a white women but i did notice in the recent years how much darker she got. I definitely don’t want her mental health to get bad or her to feel awful about herself but she should know problematic behaviour needs to be corrected and mental health can’t excuse this behaviours.

[@Hafferlaf87]

@@midnightblue1293 Why is that shocking? They’ve always looked alike.

[@lovely_rae]

​@Hafferlaf87 always? Even before Jesy got the surgery that the label forced her to get that's a lie & you know it. Articles in the UK never got Jesy & Jade mixed up but would mix up Leigh & Jade all the time.

[@wonrranghae]

I wish LM’s management cared more about USA mixers. I’ve been a mixer since 2012 and I went to the dangerous woman tour just so I could FINALLY see them do like 8 out of 100s of songs 😭 (also walked out a fan of Ari too, her stage presence 10/10)

[@mkaeganhall3545]

Opposite for me, I walked out a fan of LM

[@DeeL3]

One of my old roommates did the same thing, went the Ari tour just to see them. I really wanted to go but couldn't. She said they were amazing but it just made her so upset that N.A. couldn't get a proper tour of them.

[@aliandrahartwell3597]

I'm literally foaming at the mouth listening to all their achievements and accolades listed consecutively😭😭😭I'm gaaagggiiinngggg I cannot😭😭😭❤❤❤❤

[@twiggledowntown3564]

We were robbed of a collab with Little Mix and Fifth Harmony.

[@ayybibi]

they never actually liked each other lol.

[@layloo5244]

@@ayybibiand how do you know this?

[@cm62]

ive been a mixer for a while now and since little mix isnt in american media i thought she was mixed the whole time until last year when mixers started talking about it that says a lot...

[@harshita6000]

also jesy herself said in the live that leigh informed her about it in sweet melody mv + it was revealed that leigh's fam and friends have already tried to educate her about it but she continues to be ignorant and carry on with the blackfshing

[@powerpuff4ever]

To go on live and say to a person with a similar history of starving herself out of insecurity that you’re annoyed (even as a joke) that she “doesn’t gain weight” - the tone deafness is pretty astonishing

[@fbxbonilla8927]

YES, FINALY A LITTLE MIX VIDEO. First i want to clarify Little Mix is big EVERYWHERE but has the potential to be bigger, like I'm from a little country in Latinoamérica and I love them, and I have a lot of friend who know them but don't know their misic so... PROMOTE LM and with the black fishing, I don't hate Jesy as many mixers, I'm mad she just let Nicki talk like thatabout Leigh Anne and that she just thinks others struggles aren't important as hers but I don't hate her, and many mixers just hate them because she bertrayed Leigh Anne and the other girls, but the black fishing is bad, and even Leigh Anne herself has pointed out in the past about those attitudes and she just ignored it and now made it even worse, like, this is the music she wanted lm to make? Because if it is, I'm glad they didn't (actually when I started staning lm i thought Perrie was the only white woman) Honestly i was all for her solo carrier and I liked the melody of the song not gonna lie but that's a sample and the lyrics honestly are trash and she has gone for like the "cool bad girl" image (which isn't my style) and worse she is black fishing while doing it implaying that black girls are bad girls (and black men are nasty and rude) which is harmful for the black community. And appart of all what you said, now there a lot of rumors about lm splitting up (Wich I hate) it's like watching the same movie over again... Sorry this is so long but I needed to say it

[@chloebetony2219]

They were supposed to come to NZ a couple years back but had to cancel their tour to write their next album and at the time I was fuming at them but I should’ve known it was their management pulling that shit. Syco is literally psycho when it comes to schedules like that. I remember the 1D lads talking about it and even just looking at their first 5 years, crazy amount of work

[@margaritapeggyschuylervanr2486]

yeah i was so upset when they cancelled the aus/nz leg of the tour

[@deeeeeeezzzzaaaa]

I've started paying more attention Little Mix after Jesy left. As a Brit, I always felt shady for being more into 5H, but 5H cater to my taste for rnb. I've come to discover that LM are hella talented though and all seem super lovely. I feel that LM has blown in the US, is because their sound is very British Pop with elements of dance/ urban sounds and it seems like US audiences don't like that fusion style. It works over here in the UK but US people love strictly rnb, rap. Trap etc. Hence why BTS and BP are doing well eventhough you don't know Korean. And there is a sudden interest in Korean entertainment across the board these days.

[@DreamsAreMakeBelieve]

Let it be known that Little Mix were the first group of any kind to win the X Factor, not just the first girl group (which is also true lol)

[@felicityb93]

10:21 Okay, but can we actually stop and talk about this for a second?! Because it's actually rly weird to me how much fandoms are outchea promoting their faves. Most of these people are signed to labels with whole ass PR departments; why are fans having to, effectively, do their job for little to no money or recognition (outside of the fandom)?! Idk, seems kind of weird, if you ask me. Not that fans are organizing these projects and events, mind you. Shit's impressive, if you ask. StationKAI, an EXO Kai fanpage on Twitter, organized a multi city fan meeting this past weekend for Erigom (EXO Kai's fandom name) called Kai-fe. I'm simplifying for brevity because it wasn't just a fan meeting, but I mean... Even if it was, that shit is still impressive as hell!! But my issue is that these fandom projects and events are taking place because the people they're being done for are being promoted the way they should be. It's weird. It's real fuckin' weird.

[@929er13]

yeah, honestly labels just realized that they can do the bare minimum but because fans care about their artists, they'll still get money regardless, which is sad. if they put in actual effort AND on top of that effort you add the fan effort, that'd be bringing them even bigger bucks, so it kinda doesn't make sense. I'm part of the china48 fandom and the companies managing those groups are the perfect example of doing the bare minimum, pretty much making fans do ALL the work and then profiting millions off the artist and fan effort just to give back dust to both fans and artists.

[@shreyalove715]

yk the whole video i was just kinda wondering how you can see through those bangs and not get uncomfortable?

[@jasminezade]

they always look like they’re in my eyes but they’re not

[@OGseoulite]

All I will say now after watching this again in hindsight is Jesy’s envy of the other members who literally LOVED HER has truly shown. I’ve been saying since day 1 I wish she would’ve just admitted she left because of an inferiority complex not only because of the internet but because she felt she couldn’t compare to her members even though she was in the same league with them. I still can’t believe she chose this route and chose to break the bond she had with the people who knew her struggles the most and helped her through it. It was dead serious betrayal in my eyes like the way Jesy spun it and made it seem like everyone but her was the problem, letting Nicki talk about Little Mix & their bodies like that… it was disgusting. The sad part is Jesy only laughed because for once, FOR ONCE, she didn’t feel like the outcast. She didn’t get picked at. For once she didn’t have to hear cruel things heard at her and could instead laugh at her former sisters instead of having respect for their group and sisterhood to tell Nicki to stop. Jesy had no balls & she had no integrity. That’s why my foot will always be on her fans necks cause they are fans of a perpetual victim. Jesy is always pointing the finger at everyone but herself.

[@Senate300]

Agreed. In that live chat, Nicky Minaj granted Jesy Nelson what the press, music fans(in pop & hip hop) or even her former bandmates could not. Absolution from the cultural appropriation and black fishing allegations. The funny thing is, Jesy opened her mouth in defence of her former bandmates, I think Nicky would've respected her loyalty. And she would've maintained the goodwill of the Little Mix fanbase going fourth.

[@will9784]

I'm so glad to see a video about my fave band of all time not even kidding

[@dori_ands]

Thank you for an actually informed take it’s been a lot of non mixers who’ve been giving their takes but don’t know the ins and outs of everything (nor do I expect them too) this is very refreshing and appreciated bc I’ve seen too many ppl villainizing Leigh which is lowkey a micro aggression in itself

[@user-rr6xk2eg9v]

i’m glad you and your channel exist

[@daisybunny901]

honestly i want to thank you for making this. havent watched it yet but i am sure i will love it!

[@apll9146]

During that Nicki Minaj live, Jessy looks like she was listening to some deep talk about her struggles or whatever. Jessy doesn't care about anyone apart from herself because she wants to be the golden girl out the group. It's so infuriating how she allowed Nicki to tear Leigh-Anne to pieces. You gotta think how much Jessy would've heard about Leigh-Anne's struggles as a black woman not even publicly but also PRIVATELY. There's no excuse to for her treatment towards her friend or anyone else. Just because you went through some social media shit and untreated issue, doesn't give you an excuse to be shit. :/ They're rich women, they can afford help for their issues and they're also grown-ass women, who should know what is wrong and what isn't.

[@Senate300]

The live video felt like Nicky Minaj was a guest speaker at a college campus giving a lecture and Jesy Nelson is that one student glued to her seat hanging on her every word.

[@awesometani8148]

Yayyy I suggested this I'm soo happy that you finally went over this!! Little mix have been through some stuff and honestly need as much love as they can get

[@user-ly2cm6zk5l]

Pleaseeee do a vid on how two faced Nicki is and HAS been. They way she weaponises her race to get ppl on her side and simultaneously victimise herself by using the race card when nothing aren’t in her favour. Not to mention how she’s surrounded and HAS surrounded herself around S word predators. She even married one and it’s reflective of her true self. If you can sleep next to a S word offender and have a baby with him, you’re okay with their actions, either because you are one too or you think you’ll change him or his behaviour. Something off with Nicki

[@mj-f7135]

Pretty little liar?

[@Senate300]

Nicky always struck me as someone who's fiercely loyal to the wrong people. Her convicted pedophile brother being one of them.

[@etharne]

omg i'm so glad you've covered this! i love listening to you talk. you explain things so well and make everything so much clearer!! little mix deserve their place in the states! jesy needs to take accountability... she could have done it years ago but nope-

[@madisonbusby1457]

She also made the excuse that she had always been around “black music” and black culture and it being something that she had always ever known to make her reason for black fishing acceptable which I found really disappointing because even if all you ever listen to is “black music” it doesn’t mean you can black fish and

[@Haha-ur1pu]

thsi video is amazing you went over everything that was needed love it!

[@JackieWarner13]

I'm Aussie & little mix made it over here& I'm shocked America never picked up on them. Touch is such an outstanding pop song that would of killed on US radio. I saw the girls in concert on the get weird tour & they know how to put on a show. I don't follow everything they do & don't listen to all their music but they're very talented. All this Jesy stuff is just ugh. Like what Nicki did is so disgusting. I wanted to like Jesys song but when I heard the lyrics, saw the video I was like nah & the song isn't great. She just tried to stereotype & that's just not on. Cool if you want to get a spray tan or get a tan in the sun for a little glow or colour but it's a completely different thing when people actually think you're a person of colour or mixed bc you've tanned that hard & look so different to your actual skin colour.

[@lollalofi3933]

the worst part of all of this is that the girls said in a recent interview that they tried to educate jesy about her b;ackfishing 💀

[@vahan_is_here8221]

Thank you so much for this video, I hope it blows up. I got into LM once LM5 came out, but I wasn’t really invested in that album. During 2020 when Confetti promo started, I fell down a rabbit hole and fell in love with all of the women. Jesy was my favorite because I loved her voice and personality. I remember being devastated when she left the group, but I was still happy that she was pursing something she wanted to do. Now, I’m highly conflicted. Is it wrong for me to still root for Jesy and hope that she gets the help she needs? That she realizes the blackfishing and lack of care about Leigh-Anne is very distasteful? I want to see Jesy rise from this, and the less she says the more concerned I get. I just really hope she works things out and hopefully this can all be put behind us. As for LM as a three, I think they’re amazing though and Between Us is so impressive w/the new tracks. The US has gotta get behind them now (coming from someone in NY lol)

[@fireflieswishes]

this was so therapeutic to hear as a mixer 😩✋

[@diva1213ful]

Also Leanne supported Nicki with the whole cardi situation and also when she called out miley for blackfishing. Nicki only cares for herself.

[@user-bj7em4fv1p]

Nicki is straight up evil. Someone capable of defending abusers repeatedly like she does clearly doesn’t have morals.

[@strawberrylime33]

I appreciate your take on this. I do feel like jesy made it seem like her problems were "so much bigger" than the other girls because yeah, u dealt with racism but at least ur skinny." Does that make sense?

[@babibabss]

thanks for acknowledging that the blackfishing accusations have been there for years now. I don't get why so many people pretend it just happened with Jesy going solo, when it's been years of fans pointing this out

[@subomiabiodun1356]

your videos are so therapeutic! you’re very well spoken

[@harshita6000]

Thankyou so much jasmine for bringing this out and covering everything properly unlike the media trying to spread fake things to show Little Mix in negative light love your content!

[@seungsluvv]

The fact that especially leigh was the one that wanted to collab with nicki and her then behaving like that is so sad to me

[@delaney.m.]

I’ve been a barb since I was like 10 but I can’t even express how quickly my respect went out the window for Nicki after that Instagram live, that was clown shit on both her and Jesys part smh

[@elliecodner9018]

Really loved this video so many people were so quick to defend Jesy’s black fishing as “ oh so people can’t tan anymore” but when you look at everything else, the music video, BLM support, disregarding about band mates struggles it really sets a clear imagine. Hope other people watch this and learn it’s “more than just a tan”

[@SionaIsTired]

patiently waiting for you to be a massive music commentary youtuber so i can brag about how your content has been incredible since the beginning!! aka you are so great at what you do and your videos are fantastic ❤️

[@anukasmunakas]

thank you for taking the time to talk about jesy's struggles and not painting this black and white picture where its suddenly okay to mock and ridicule her now that ppl dont like her anymore (for valid reasons)

[@user-bj7em4fv1p]

I love the way you speak about Little Mix, please do more videos on them if you can! ❤️ the fact that Jesy didn’t support Leigh’s documentary really put me off. It was such an important thing for Leigh and for the whole BLM movement, she could have at least reposted it or something.

[@sabinebuch2649]

I can't express how much I love you for doing these kind of videos and especially this one because it mentions and calls out so many different things in it

[@StyleboyEsposito]

Omg this is so true and literally is exactly what I'm thinking about blackfishing and little mix's reality, it's so so so good 🤩

[@robertaghete]

the effort you put in research and the vids in general is amazing!! i normally don‘t comment on any videos but i just wanted to come on here and tell you that i think you‘re great :)

[@pombear9]

This is the first video of yours I've come across and I really like the way you presented all the information. I'm from the UK so have watched Little Mix from day 1 on X Factor. Jesy definitely was treated awfully by the press and public at the beginning, and although it settled down obviously that sticks with someone. However, her attitude and refusal to accept that she's blackfishing has now given people a legit reason to not be a fan of her and I feel like she's just lumping it in with the 'bullying'. Also Boyz is shit and doesn't sound anything like the good old 90s/early 00s R&B I remember, so I don't know what the hell she thinks she's doing. Little Mix are smashing it as a trio and good on them 💖

[@MADEbySOUL]

Little Mix was special because their main motivation for a record deal was friendship. They didn’t have money to visit each other so they had to win to stay together. They worked hard, not for ego, money, status or fame. They did it because they wanted to be together. What really makes a group’s music shine is their chemistry and genuine love between members. They have been through so much sexism, belittling, and sabotage by their own team. I fully believe that in the end, the bond grew because of these challenges. So much so that love, self reflection and forgiveness will be there through these tough times.

[@bbmave]

i never noticed little mix not being promoted in the us. But i have to admit i did think for a very long time that little mix and fifth harmony were the same group

[@LB-ih7hn]

This was so well structured and right on point. As much as context is important, all the drama surrounding this issue ceases to matter when some fans who have literally been supporting Jesy for years only just discovered that she’s not mixed race…. I mean that just says it all. I’m against people getting bullied for bullying sake, so I really hope people would stop sending Jesy hate, but she has to assist that process by advising her people to cease attempting to paint Leigh as a bully, because that’s not helpful to anyone.

[@bucherimi5607]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video. You only speak FACTS here and I love it!! Well done 🙏🏻

[@thetannaree]

Young lady! You have such a bright future and I’m so glad I found your channel! So many great points yesssssssss

[@ellemarr7234]

Yes! Exactly the person I wanna hear talk about this 🤗

[@gabrielle3650]

thank you so much for doing a video on this!

[@maddie.bolland.7]

This is such an eloquent and thorough discussion of this issue, I feel like I have learned so much!! I completely agree with what you said. I'm definitely going to go watch Leigh-Anne's documentary and the other videos you've recommended. Thank you for making this video 💜

[@scarletsjazz6472]

you are so interesting to listen to! I have virtually no interest in little mix (or had, before this video), I’ve never even listened to any of their music, and in fact haven’t delved into any side of the music scene from about the year 1990 up until now. but this video - I was entranced! literally watched the whole thing without even realising.

[@929er13]

21:17 bruh I've never seen her look white. this was shocking because girl is pale af. I've been casually following LM since 2012 and i don't think i ever heard she was actually white, which is why i was convinced she was mixed like Jade (i think I've heard she's mixed) which is WILD because girl manages to make herself darker than the actual black girl of her group despite not even being mixed black.

[@margaritapeggyschuylervanr2486]

Yeah Jades mixed. Her dad is Arabic (I think that’s the name, correct me if I’m wrong)

[@syd658]

Yep Looking back at some in 2012 In a tour diary she was next to both of them she was near perrie color than Leigh And looking at now 😗 yikes

[@Rachel-ft7hm]

I’ve thought about this for a while so I wanted to share my thoughts. People always comment on Jesy being so hated in any conversation about her, good or bad, like a form of defence but after her documentary the whole fandom came together to support her (since 2019) and since then she has been one of the most loved members (Many people loved her before this anyway). But there are so many videos of Leigh being the only one not cheered for, most videos of her get less views then the rest of the girls and I believe she has the least followers on all accounts. People comment on jade’s body often and she’s had a tough past with anorexia, anytime you compliment Perrie there’s an argument about how good is she really or ‘you should love all the girls’. She’s also struggled with anxiety and panick attacks and hate for the whole zayn situation (never mind the actual breakup situation). Point is, they’ve all been through pain in their life, to some extent everyone does, Jesy’s mental health and pain is not an excuse (it is a reason but people don’t use it as such). I don’t blame Jesy for getting into her own head with how she may or may not feel about the hate or the girls, but I do blame her fandom, and by extension her (for playing the victim), for constantly using it as a get-out-of-jail-free card. Just because someone has struggled in the past doesn’t mean they can’t face criticism. There also needs to be the distinction between hate and valid criticism because a lot of people just got shut down in the conversation by getting called haters. I mentioned before her self esteem issues were a reason for the black fishing and I want to elaborate on that because I’m not sure of it makes sense. When you have those sorts of issues you want to be like everyone else or what others or yourself deem ‘beautiful’. And for Jesy, this may have been stereotypical black features and everything else she stole. This, again, doesn’t mean she should be aloud to do it though. Another thing that is weird to me is that (more of a suggestion) Jesy despite being open about struggling with body image issues is taking part in a culture which creates it. This is because she photoshops her images, has plastic surgery but hasn’t admitted it (I don’t think plastic surgery is bad but I do think you should be honest about it) and all of her photos are clearly largely staged and take a lot of modelling. I understand it’s probably insecurity that wants her to be perfect but you’ll never overcome anything by covering your flaws and making everyone believe your perfect. Jesy Nelson fans saying ‘__ ruined her career’ need to grow up. Nothing any member of little mix have said has been 100% from them or public, and the one thing they did say was they didn’t support Blackfishing. You have to accept she did this to herself and someone should have told her (if she didn’t know) that people would react that way, shoving it on little mix is really bitter and you seem like children. Here are some opinions (emphasis on opinion): 1. Jesy’s career is pretty much doomed, a lot of her fan base came from little mix so when the drama happened a lot of her fans left, another group of people who supported her were Nicki Minaj fans who won’t care beyond the songs typically. Most people either know her from little mix or from the drama so her career will either be small and genuine or full of controversy constantly which seems like the opposite of what she wanted. 2. The excuse that ‘people didn’t talk about Blackfishing until she left’ is wrong on three accounts. First, she has been called out since 2018 but small groups of people. Secondly, her drastic change of appearance came during Confetti specifically the sweet melody video but her actions didn’t change till she left the group. Thirdly, she was called out as much because she was in a group with a large fan base. Not only would the fan base defend her but she also couldn’t get as personally targeted, cancelled or pin pointed because the girls could defend her and she wasn’t the centre of attention which is why I found the idea to leave the group strange. I know she said it’s so she wouldn’t get compared to the girls but at the same time they would have been a blanket of support (and distraction) and they would understand her well, she probably doesn’t really have that anymore. 3. I think Jesy is surrounded by ‘yes’ people. This one is purely speculation. If the people around Jesy as anything like her fans, they would do and say anything to make her happy, this may include the classic ‘these people are just haters who are trying to bring you down and you shouldn’t listen to them’. This may be why she hasn’t changed behaviour or why she is seems so ignorant (I realise I haven’t touched on that but it’s such a long conversation for something people won’t read anyway so I won’t bother) Finally (for now anyway), people need to stop making assumptions about everything, which is kind of ironic and hypocritical but anyway. We don’t know this people, just because something happened now doesn’t mean they were never friends but at the same time, it’s unrealistic to think they always got along. We don’t know whether Jesy was jealous or thought she was better then them or when the girls were informed or when Jesy decided she would leave, we’ve heard many stories from Jesy, insiders or random people with theories but she can’t be 100% until everyone in the situation backs the story up. And I understand fans who now look back on Jesy a lot more negatively, we don’t want to see people we like negatively but when something has happened it can open your eyes or change your view. Sorry this is long and may have mistakes. I just wanted to share things I’m pondering and I don’t won’t anyway so if I made a mistake I’m happy to hear respectful opinions. If you got this far congratulations, I wrote more than I planned to.

[@Senate300]

I genuinely believe Jesy's career can recover if she released an original record that wasn't a recreation/parody of something else. Then she'll be in the headlines for her talent again.

[@Rachel-ft7hm]

@@Senate300 stranger things have happened I suppose. I barely remember even writing this lmao

[@Senate300]

@@Rachel-ft7hm In hindsight, Boyz as a single was a piss poor choice. All four Little Mix members went through some shit but Jesy wasn't strong enough not to let her issues dominate her identity in the band. Which contributed to her departure in my humble opinion.

[@Rachel-ft7hm]

@@Senate300 that is a very good analysis, I completely agree. Jesy was definitely defined a lot by the issues she went through (obviously) and that can often lead you down an rabbit hole, giving you less ability to dissect your proper emotions and issues. I cannot understand who thought Boyz was a good idea… just why?

[@Senate300]

@@Rachel-ft7hm I guess she like the rest of the band had it in her to be a solo artist. But my reaction to Jesy's release Boyz so soon after leaving Little Mix was "you are not ready". I understand wearing your influences on your sleeve but Ms. Nelson did it to the point of mimicry. With that said, if I was a gambling man I would've lost big betting on Perrie Edwards being the one to flee the nest first.

[@ThatBranB]

This overall video is brilliant. Wish you all the best in your music business journey. The ladies definitely deserved/deserve more in the American market and the crazy thing is they actually have the TALENT LEVEL especially live to smash it. Jesy has got so self absorbed it's unfortunately clouded her judgement of what her other band mates went through. In some ways I actually believe she doesn't understand the levels of what she's doing because she's been so mentally damaged. What she needs to not do is act deaf, be open to the wrongs, missteps and make those adjustments because she very talented. Nicki just really made things about herself like everyone is annoyed because Jesy did a song with her & jealous! The most ignorant clownery from Onika and glad even some of her own fans put her in place. Overall I just want all the ladies to be smart and intelligent about the next moves in their careers.

[@ohno8280]

I really hope they talk about this. All the barbz are going for Leigh Anne and same thing with Jesy. Then all the bullying and fat shaming is coming back. holding someone accountable is different from insulting them. A few months ago, mixers bullied a Jesy fan to death and everyong was so peaceful for a moment then it came back. It's so wrong bc go hold jesy accountable but dont come for the fans

[@ezzrin]

oh i’ve been waiting for this one

[@s.g2344]

100 % agree with you about Jesy about how she projected her own insecurities onto her band mates. I think deep down shes just not a happy person, and while I do agree it was awful what she went through I think it's disgusting that she threw Leigh under the bus regarding that Instagram post with Nikki, how can you just sit there and laugh about a friend of 10 years who's been there for you through thick and thin ? I dont think she was blackfishing myself personally or if she was she didnt do it deliberately but in regards to that Instagram post nah I've lost a lot of respect for Jesy. Btw great video as someone else said very interesting 🙂 x

[@yas1499]

Oooooo girl I like you. Thank you for giving such and educated and informed stance on the whole situation. Thank you for being on the right side of the war as well. Your video is an amazing video to educate anyone who may be interested in the current the situation and it allows people to see how deep Jesy's problematic behavior runs. I also appreciate the beginning of the video of you just letting ppl know how awesome and successful little mix really is and the problems with breaking the North American market. You did amazing.

[@CryptP]

I never listened to them, I never paid any attention, but I am so here to watch this and get caught up on all the drama. I'm gonna be fluent in Little Mix controversy while only being able to name like 3 of their songs

[@adamstencel5592]

tbh Im just so sick of Jesy, theres something shady going on with everyrhing she say or do. Hope she'll flop soon and drama will be over

[@nela6628]

just wanted to say that im not really that caught up with 1D or little mix anymore but im still obsessed with ur videos and ily!