Watch This Before You Buy Carbon Wheels in 2024! - Lún Performance Factory Tour

[@jasperverkuijl]

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[@RobertSimpson-wp3pr]

I think this man from China is honest and very talented, also did his own R & D to create his own product. Good for him.

[@4091740]

Is anyone else more amazed by the machines that are used in the process, than the actual product they are tasked for?

[@smarty8772]

Yep 😊😊

[@jasperverkuijl]

its pretty impressive how they have made all these machines themselves. there was a whole department in the factory just for making those machines! (we didnt whow this in the docu)

[@Freeedy]

I ride an S-Works Tarmac SL with Roval wheels. My friend from Hong Kong rides an unbranded bike with unbranded carbon wheels, most probably made in this factory. His bike is also fitted with accessories including groupset, BBs and other elements, all made in China and well finished. I feel just as comfortable and safe riding his bike as I do on mine yet his bike cost way less than what I paid. Excellent video, this factory appears to have has some fantastic state of the art machines that produce high quality wheels. Thank you.

[@camdensimon1935]

The challenges with unbranded parts that come from the same factory is that the layup, which fiber used, process, etc can be very very different even though it is in the same factory. I will never trust unbranded carbon parts as I will. Never trust unbranded cast steel parts. There is no way to know what was skipped in the engineering design phase. It is not a factory problem, it is the client who paid the factory problem.

[@D_in_DC]

I purchased a carbon wheelset directly from China for my last bike build. I started to purchase a top "American" branded wheelset and got sticker shock when they totaled $3,200 or so. Did some research and found a highly respected Chinese brand (who btw manufactures wheels for American companies) and got a custom wheelset for $1200. Great wheelset! Love them! The Chinese company communicated with me during every step of the process, even when one of the wheels was out of spec. They asked if I wanted them to make another wheel, and they did what I asked. What I found out was that American companies will not tell you that they often outsource carbon frames and wheels to companies in Asia and China. Even with shipping costs, it's still cheaper to make things outside of the U.S. The U.S. companies then double the price of those same products and make millions.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Yup

[@filipsusmelj1817]

Amazing video! GCN can go hide with their factory tours, this is WAY BETTER MADE!!! Good job!

[@jasperverkuijl]

Just put that comment on their next videos 😉😉🤙🏻

[@jigglypuff4227]

Agreed, much better than GCN ever did.

[@wonderwatch2239]

What!! You’re delusional 🤯🫣

[@VaioletteWestover]

GCN feel like cyclists that barely know the technology and just repeat marketing shpeals rather than really understanding or being able to contextualize the technology.

[@bryngriffith]

As ex owner of Wahoo Le Col that were sponsored by Lun, may I say that our athletes loved the wheels. Better quality than 99% of western brands.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Awesome!! Thanks for letting us know. 🤙🏻🤙🏻 Hey I did some Zwift races with wahoo le col some time ago! 🫡

[@bryngriffith]

@@jasperverkuijl I know Jasper! You need to message Tim Fulford and get back into the team :)

[@jamess4444]

Best 1% is still in the west...

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@jamess4444😂 you think?😅

[@jamess4444]

@@jasperverkuijl just being the devils guacamole over here...

[@nochancecw]

I think this video will help remove bias from people and help people see china has many high end manufacturers processes. Really great stuff.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Yep that’s also what we wanted to show 👍🏻

[@internettalker1]

Jasper, I been considering buying Winspace wheels for a while but has always hesitated but because of this videos I just order two wheel sets. I appreciate your thorough analysis and the effort you've put into creating content that helps cyclists like me make informed choices. Your hard work is truly valuable to the community.

[@jasperverkuijl]

That’s great to hear mate!

[@ole-bboy5875]

Way cool Jasper. This was excellent.

[@egoclubroma7046]

Hello Jasper, thanks for the beautiful content you have been able to share with us and above all, considering how much Winspace and Lun guys invest in their design, production, development of wheels, say a big thank you to them for the opportunity they gave you and us. As a enthusiast cyclist first and as a composite engineer as second I have loved to see their facility and see how much they are constantly raising the bar and catching up with European and American factories. Sooner, if not already now, they will be ahead and leading the path

[@jasperverkuijl]

They have patents already that big brands are looking to buy 😉

[@egoclubroma7046]

@@jasperverkuijl From what I could see I was expecting that. R&D and QC departments of all respect. Cutting machines for composite, even raw composite processing. So happy for them.

[@grantnyenes3742]

I’ve had a set of hyper 50mm wheels, by far the best wheels I’ve ever ridden…ever.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Nice! I still have mine 😎🤙🏻

[@peternguyen3732]

Winspace are definetely confident of their products otherwise they would not show such a tour. Good to know that the company stands by its quality! Thanks for the tour.

[@dougmcdougall3997]

This was a very informative video . Thank you Jasper and Winspace !

[@blimey5348]

Very good content Jasper! Many in the west still look at Chinese products like 2 decades ago. However, china moves so fast in tech that it’s hard for anyone living outside china to comprehend. Their top tier products are as competitive as any global brands or better. I have ran many Chinese wheels as well as western brands. And I have stuck to a couple of Chinese brands for their reliability for all my bikes

[@jasperverkuijl]

Nice 👍🏻

[@hideinthebush2729]

That has to be the best advertising ever. And thanks for the insight that was amazing !

[@jasperverkuijl]

Thanks 🙏🙌🏻

[@ilgour]

Massive video. Very interesting good job

[@josephalvaro5244]

Really good to see their adherence to a high level of QC.Multiple tests along the way show they really care about the saftey of their products going out to the masses.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Yep that’s what I think too. 👍🏻👍🏻 you can see the mentality is good with Winspace

[@William24009]

Thanks for the video. I purchased the Lún HYPER 23 SE R33 RB , Nov 23, and have ridden 1300 miles on them. I’m very pleased with the purchase and would buy them again. I did see one minor defect on one spoke on the wide flat section, I noticed a small bubble, not sure what it was, it was the same color as the rest of the spoke. I thought it was unfortunate but not too worried. They were also $300 off for holiday season. Thanks Winspace!

[@jasperverkuijl]

Nice!! If it gives problem you could always replace the spoke easily.

[@jigglypuff4227]

Amazing video series from you and Winspace

[@peterahlstedt2043]

As usual in Chinese production culture, they never show where they throw the wheels and items who not pass the check controls along the process. I had import company before and imported other things from China and their culture doest throw anything, they put the not ok things aside and when it comes big orders they add the not ok products there. I know it so well.

[@thedronescene7474]

My dad is the buyer for an international food distribution company and when food is about to expire it goes put outside in the garbage and many times he has witnessed Chinese restaurants picking up the expired food and well you know where that is going.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Well good think that Winspace does their own quality checks again when it arrives in their assembly room. They told me they still take out wheels that will not pass and send them back to the factory. I’ve also been told they would reject frames that are then sold to other companies (just like you mentioned) So yes, it’s probably true. Every quality has a price in China 🤙🏻

[@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv]

That big factory is the one who knows how stringent each buyer is. Of course we won't get it, but that data would be amazing for us to have. Theoretically it should be the case that the brands with higher quality requirements and will pay higher prices to that factory .. and doing thorough checks of raw materials received means additional costs. So in general brands with higher prices are more likely to have higher quality parts. But there are many other factors at play so it's not that simple

[@SingaporeUntold]

they could be thrown out but someone is picking them up and selling on some marketplace

[@CleberLimaSilva]

Actually I have a Lun Wheels Hyper 2023 D45 and I say - this wheels is incredible 👏 👌 🙌

[@seththomas3194]

Good stuff. I appreciate them giving you so much access to their operations and information. Of course, certain trade secrets have to be guarded. But you rarely see anybody provide information and guided tours of these factories. Good stuff my friend.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Thanks! Yeah man it truly felt special to walk inside these massive factories!

[@cheeheifoo9282]

You have me convinced about their superior performance and quality! No question.

[@jasperverkuijl]

That’s great to hear!🙌🏻

[@thebikepackingadventurer]

I’d buy a set of winspace over Zipp, Roval and Hunt. All lack quality. From what I’ve seen, Winspace is far better quality than those overpriced big names Great video and thank you for showing

[@IvanMalechko]

Current Zipp is hookless trash, I wouldn't get it for free; the same goes for Enve. There is some evidence that Hunt wheels are made by Winspace. Rovals are great wheels, probably made at the Farsports factory, but they're ridiculously overpriced. I have a set of Winspace Hypers 2023. To be honest, the wall feels a bit flimsy, and from what I've seen, they don't look so flawless inside, even for KZbin specials. In my version, the spoke tension and trueness are not exceptionally perfect but perfectly acceptable. I got a set for less than $1200 with a discount code (the price of one Roval wheel). But most importantly, they feel faster, ride faster, and the quality has been great so far. After some accidents and huge potholes, they still hold up very well.

[@natheirabu-dahab1446]

Hot take: Zipps are worth it for the free lifetime crash replacement alone. I've had 3 rims replaced. (Yes, I crash a lot). Enves got the same policy but only for 2 years and then you start getting discounts instead of a completely free replacement.

[@IvanMalechko]

​@@natheirabu-dahab1446 Yes, that's true. Zipp and Enve have great crash replacement policies. As I remember, Roval also offers some kind of crash discount. Overall, their warranties and support are better than those of any Chinese brands. However, they are about 2-3 times more expensive. My main complaint about Zipp and Enve is that they went hookless. Maybe it's the future, and I'm just an old man ranting, but I would like to have at least hooked options at this point in time.

[@IvanMalechko]

@@natheirabu-dahab1446 Yes, that's true. Zipp and Enve have great crash replacement policies. As I remember, Roval also offers some kind of crash discount. Overall, the fancy brands warranties and support are better than those of any Chinese brands. However, they are about 2-3 times more expensive. My main complaint about Zipp and Enve is that they went hookless. Maybe it's the future, and I'm just an old man ranting, but I would like to have at least hooked options at this point in time.

[@robertmoore119]

Hmm, I think those Lin or Lun wheels look very good and high quality. Nice. It's also cool to be able to take a tour in a high production factory like that that actually makes wheels for themselves and other brands. That means there is very protected information there, not just Chinese Brands. I also think Zipp are good wheels. I haven't had a set of them, but they are American made. We make nice stuff here and we have manufacturing there. They obviously have very nice wheels of there own. Proprietary processes of their own that are new and different for the market. So that's how peaceful alliances work. They can learn from us, and we can learn from them. West How can we make a better part? "ooh". East How can we make a better part? "ooh". And such is the progress of technology.

[@richardandrewsmall]

What a great insight into the manufacturing process. Brilliantly presented and feels honest and informative. Genuinely has increased winspace as a presence in my mind when considering parts/frames in the future - would probably have never said that before watching. Great effort and wlll done by Winspace to give so much access and explanation. great video.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Wow super nice to hear. This was exactly the idea of this video to get viewers an insight in how it really is 👍🏻

[@GNH-1812]

Awesome presentation. Thank you😊😊😊

[@TESTA-CC]

I've a set of Zipp & Rolf Ares 4. Id definitely try some WINSPACE wheels to see the qualities of them against Zipp & Rolf Carbon Wheels.

[@jasperverkuijl]

I think I know where that will go but I like you to find out yourself 👍🏻😉

[@ferrisbueller1347]

wow just came across this video. thanks for sharing. over the years ive bought 3 different winspace wheels and they are great!

[@gabrielfernandeztattoos]

I run hypers, and the wheels are WOW

[@jasperverkuijl]

🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@kevstephen9393]

Great viewing, I ordered Chinese wheels about a week ago, and I thought the same thing about where most carbon wheels are made. I can't tell what wheels I purchased, though, as it's a... Secret 😂

[@jasperverkuijl]

I hope it’s a reliable brand 👍🏻

[@paulinblack9036]

Very informative! Really enjoy your videos. Loving my SLC 2.0 with Hyper 33s, which I bought at the end of last year after watching your build and adventures in Haute Route 2022.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Awesome! Now you know how they are made 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@mortlow6688]

Great ! I wanna see more China factory tours....

[@jasperverkuijl]

Ill need to get more invitations haha

[@jonseltzer321]

The volume of wheel production is mind blowing. It makes me a believer in the idea of abundance and coming soon.

[@jasperverkuijl]

They have a big market in China. And the cycling industry there is booming. So lots of people that want a new bike I guess.

[@adderhoney]

This was very interesting, thanks for making the video.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@tenspeedtears]

You make very good points at the end of this video. High and low quality products can be made in any country. And people are people and cannot be defined by their governmental authority. Good job on these documentaries and excellent info. Thanks!!

[@jasperverkuijl]

Thank you 🙏

[@Oilyhands749]

Really fantastic to watch this, thank you.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Thank you

[@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv]

What was the company name of the factory making the rims? 🤗🤗 I thought that some wheel companies were making the rims themselve, but it seems that is very rare This video helped me to better understand the main factors of wheel quality. You've got: - design - origial raw material quality - Operational performance of the factories making the rims, spokes, hubs, etc - tolerances of the wheel build company agreed with the company above.. plus how well the build company checks quality of parts received ans acts on problems - Wheel building practices and QC of buulder - and related to price, there are how well they've negotiated pirchaes prices... Their efficiently... Their marketing spend, profit margin, etc.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Good job taking notes 👍🏻👍🏻

[@weilliam]

Xiamen Yuan An Composite Technology Co.,Ltd.,

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@weilliamthat was not the name on the wall in the lobby 😜

[@weilliam]

@@jasperverkuijl synergy sports/bikedoc???

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@weilliamnope haha

[@JanGoh-jb5ge]

I've been thinking about Lun wheels for a while now for Gravel. I think this has sold me on it.

[@robp3431]

China knows the "market" and often starts as a copy, but then goes beyond to manufacture a superior product at lower price. Now with the imposed tariffs, quite a few have moved operations to Vietnam.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Better a good copy than a bad design

[@cosmicphorz7328]

13:20 Lún announces a rim production without any paint or decals, something that Campagnolo and Fulcrum are already practicing. They produce the finish on their carbon rims in the mold, and laser the logo after in the sidewalls and are absolutely competitive in terms of value for money. Amazingly, these rims are made in Europe. This means that these rims are more robust against scratches and chipping, and the weight is reduced due to the absence of paint or decals.

[@tonyg3091]

No carbon structure is resistant to scratches, don’t be silly.

[@jellyjrl6253]

Great videos, thank you Jasper

[@jasperverkuijl]

Glad you like them!

[@pieman2656]

The testing looks amazing gives some confidence. I am currently checking to see what is out there, by the way the wheel test while spinning is one I am interested in I'm 165-Kg and am keen to see if wheel can handle speed under load going at 250-KM per hour. Yes it sounds ridiculous but I need to know wheel can handle the speed under load, I haven't even considered braking as I'm sure I can sit up and get bike speed down to 110-KPH. I also will need to know if these wheel sets exist on a serial production bike, not a prototype. I have a motorway near by 253 meter altitude between top and bottom, hill section is 3,000 meters long, hard pack small chip seal. Grade 8.43%, acceleration 0.82M/S, acceleration drag adjusted 0.52M/S, CFD 0.25, X-Section 1.2M, Air Pressure 99.9Kpa (NTP), pedal power 1,000 watts + for 5-secs, can use run up from other side of hill so hit start line at 40KPH+ and then apply 1,000 watts plus pedal power to get speed to 100-KPH plus in under 20 seconds or 460 meters of travel, so over 2,000 meters to get to 210.5 KPH and 500-meter run off to flat. In any instance I'm comfortable braking to reduce speed to 110-KPH on hill transition to flat as it's a 3 lane motorway with no cat eye's at transition area. Note: Current Serial Production Unpaced Bicycle Record is 210.4KPH, I'm a heavy, crazy bastard that loves speed and bikes. If someone can validate my calculations I'm open for an attempt to give record a nudge. I don't speak Chinese and concept is in it's infancy, is there a contact person at wheel assembly where they did load test?

[@jasperverkuijl]

Interesting. Send me an email (in description) with details

[@EllasPOSEiDON]

Well. Light bicycle already use the technology to have ready to build rims out of the mold. Literally so smooth the surface doesn't have to be further processed.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Nice. But also light bicycle is not a mass production product and 3x as expensive as Hypers. So there is a bit of difference. (Mass production is another world apart from making a one off product..)

[@kaktus873]

campagnolo also has rims build this way

[@jasperverkuijl]

With filament winding you mean or? (There are more brands that use that technique indeed)

[@KuriReevel]

Very cool and interesting video indeed!

[@jasperverkuijl]

Many thanks!

[@rafacycle]

Great video 😊 thanks

[@jasperverkuijl]

You’re welcome 😊

[@Z3uS2]

Great video!

[@jasperverkuijl]

Thanks!

[@Andresapal]

Very nice Video, However, I have a question: do the hubs depend on each brand to fit them? For example, Hydra?

[@jasperverkuijl]

Yes. The hubs are specific to the spoke angle and type of spokes

[@mr.baphomet-fpv]

Nice video. I sent my two cracked Berk carbon saddles to a factory in China for repair. I thought the saddles couldn’t be repaired, but my friend suggested trying it since it would be free if they couldn’t fix them. They sent them back three weeks later. They look good and are strong enough for me to sit on for more than a year. I can trust Chinese carbon factories. They do a great job. But in mass product, They need focus on QC. That's most important.

[@nofinglimit]

That's cool, what factory did this for you?

[@jasperverkuijl]

💯! In any mass production the QC is super important. Anyone can make 1 good frame, but to make thousands is difficult

[@adrenna123]

The carbon hoops are fairly stable in their manufacturing. The methods are well known and very stable and repeatable. The money for a wheel is in the hub. It's often proprietary and designed by the manufacturer. The other consideration is repair. Carbon wheels break, a lot. Pot holes, road debris and crashes. Can you get replacement hoops and spokes and can it be repaired locally?

[@jasperverkuijl]

I don’t think they break a lot, but sure they break sometimes. Yes Winspace does offer replacements parts. And you can fix it at a local wheel builder

[@ricecrash5225]

I own some Win-space rims and love them. Also, I am based in Australia and found the after sales support fantastic.

[@jasperverkuijl]

That’s great to hear 🙌🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@letdoit]

Sound great. Which China brands wheel are they making? I trust their factory produced

[@jasperverkuijl]

I can’t tell. But it’s not just “Chinese brands”, also western brands come from this factory

[@nnnnn8173]

Bought a set of Hyper 67. Very happy with it. The wheels went into potholes a few times so far, but still good.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Good to hear!

[@n22pdf]

Great vid wow.. certainly makes me think about considering Lun wheels in the future 👍🚴🏻 Pete 🚴🏻

[@jasperverkuijl]

You should. I’ve been riding them successfully for years 👌

[@russellbryant2273]

I would buy Hypers in a heart beat, but my bike is from 2007 and the spacing of the chainstays wont clear a 28mm rim width.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Yep that’s going to be an issue as lots of brands are going wider on rim width… (My Fuji from 2014 doesn’t fit anything bigger than 25mm tires..)

[@haggisinreigate]

Great video, changes my view on wheels for my new purchase. Link to Winspace wheels in the description isnt working..

[@jasperverkuijl]

What’s not working? I just checked and it takes me to the website?

[@haggisinreigate]

Working for me now - might have been my browser.

[@FernalAnthony]

When do your Cape Epic videos come out?

[@jasperverkuijl]

Working on it..

[@boshiken4914]

Very interesting to see the production process and to get a feel for the volumes.

[@jasperverkuijl]

👍🏻

[@NOOB666X]

I didn't know i can trust Carbon rims i got a Tune TSR 35 Alu Wheelset for my Roadrace Bike and damn Happy and for 600€ affordable and with 1500 gramms great

[@J3Y0087]

Very nice content.

[@tweedledee4605]

Had a hyper wheelset for a year now, unbelievable

[@jasperverkuijl]

🤙🏻🤙🏻

[@christopherstaples6758]

@29:00 shame it was not with a tyre on it , that would have helped spread the load and see what their spokes can actually take

[@jasperverkuijl]

Yes I thought about that too. Now the rim edge failed. But the spokes and hub and rest of the rim were still intact. If we could set up a test rig that would decide the load over the rim to the spokes the force would be much higher. But the test we did sort of replicates hitting a pot hole so will kind of show how hard you can hit the rim edge before it fails.

[@pierrex3226]

Very nice. Especially the innovation around hub and spoke technology. Years ahead of roval, princeton and the likes

[@tonyg3091]

Ever heard of Lightweight? As in Lightweight Meilenstein? Or Syncros? No real innovation in bike industry has ever come from China. For innovation look at Europe and US, for good prices- to China.

[@MrEL28]

Thanks for making the video. It's very informative. I hope we'll continue using rim brakes (not dics brakes).

[@jasperverkuijl]

That’s hard to do with the industry pushing disc brakes. Basically sram and Shimano decide…

[@adovat_mestami]

I really like the girl didn't say a word during the whole video . LOL

[@Point71v]

She was security

[@TheTommyOhh]

It's China.

[@theadventurebiker]

CCP handler?

[@jasperverkuijl]

I know it may look a bit weird. She was an employee from Winspace that was supposed to help us with translation. At first instance there was nobody to guide us around (that’s how “random” and unplanned our visit was) but then Peter showed up who was actually very wel English spoken and could help us around. Shelly was still there to help when Peter wasn’t there. (He was not with us all the time during recordings)

[@adderhoney]

16:23

[@HeadPack]

I'd be really interested if someone had made the effort and researched which of the Western brands sell these wheels with different decals.

[@jasperverkuijl]

None! These wheels exactly how they are at Winspace are only sold by Winspace. The hub-spoke-rim combination is very specific and will only come out of the Winspace HQ (their assembly line). However, The spokes that come out of the big production facility shown in this video, are used by multiple other brands (but maybe at slightly different length and nipple since that’s specific to hub and rim combo). The rims (from the same facility as the spokes) are similar to other brand rims that will roll out of the same production line. But like explained in this video, they will/can have different specifications, different finish, different materials etc etc. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have other questions

[@Onroulelaboule]

I bought a pair of Lun Hyper 33 and they are amazing wheels!

[@jasperverkuijl]

Great to hear!🫡

[@maxt1617]

Great video. Except at 20:00 mins, when they say they conduct QC at every stage of wheel development "so that the rider gets a good quality product".... that isn't the real reason. QC is conducted after each stage because with significant automation at multiple stages, if you had QC only at the end, you could have 1 whole day's worth of wheels utterly wasted due to failure in one stage. Whereas QC after each stage means you might only have 1/10th of a day's wheels wasted if there were 10 automation stages or opportunities for failure. The low cost human labour to QC multiple times is far cheaper than 1 whole day's worth of failed wheels.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Peter did also mention they focus on QC because they use a lot of automation. So your reason has also been given by him. Everything can be interpreted in many ways and taken out of context. I’m sure there is more reasons a proper QC is important, and not waisting a day of factory time on a faulty wheel is certainly one! whatever the reasons, the most important is that we get a good product.

[@BelindaRen]

very good 😀😀😀

[@jasperverkuijl]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@youling1997]

The damage test is fantastic. All western brands I have seen are using free fall. There’s no way to measure force and analyze later. Win space is doing it in a more controlled way.

[@jasperverkuijl]

The freefall is a required test. Winspace does it too as you can see in this video. The other one is extra to test the joints of the 3piece bonding. 👍🏻

[@ptan7449]

Is Craft Racing wheelset build by them too?

[@jasperverkuijl]

I don’t know. I don’t think I saw any of that in the head office.

[@bigwave_dave8468]

They're like the FoxCon of wheels. Nice content.

[@nimamoini6469]

Thanks for the vid. So Winspace doesn't manufacture its wheels, such as most western carbon wheels brands. It would be interesting to know what are the Chinese brands existing and building their own wheels, through their own factory.

[@jasperverkuijl]

I think you have a perception that western brands produce their rims in their own factory but that’s not true. There is no such thing as 1 brand producing only their own rims. (Sure there will be a brand somewhere in the world…) Watch the docu again;) They all (most of them) come from factories like this. Than they only assemble the wheels and say it’s handmade in “whatever country”.

[@jasperverkuijl]

To add, they have the rims, hubs and spokes manufactured at their manufacturing facilities (factories) and than assemble it in their own factory (the assembly room).

[@nimamoini6469]

I think Tuff produced their own rims hubs and so on for instance, vs Winspace outsourcing. While in Europe you still have the like of Corima, made in France. Don't get me wrong, i value very much Chinese brands. But i do value more the brands actually manufacturing their own stuff rather than outsourcing the main parts of the product and then outsourcing.

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@nimamoini6469 why would you value them more?

[@kubackjeee]

Elitewheels

[@muhon19]

Wow really nice

[@thedronescene7474]

Good video Jasper! My approach is simple, if I can afford real USA handmade then I buy it! If not then well China it is lol. So far I have been blessed and currently own 3 pairs of Enve SES wheels.

[@jasperverkuijl]

With all respect, you think enve rims are manufactured in usa??

[@thedronescene7474]

@@jasperverkuijl Enve has 2 wheel models. Foundation model is manufactured in China and the SES model is handmade in USA.

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@thedronescene7474 you are mixing terms. Manufactured and handmade..... manufacturing of rims and spokes is not the same as building a wheel. ''handmade in USA'' probably means, assembled in usa. the rims..... probably manufactured somewhere else. (I dont know by fact where) which is totally fine, super high quality rims come from china (as ive shown). So you can call it made in USA if you want

[@thedronescene7474]

@@jasperverkuijl Jasper, I respect you a lot. I have been following you since you started the channel, and I do not want to be disrespectful in any way. However, please do your research before making statements like that. ENVE has a full manufacturing facility where they produce all SES wheels and the Custom Road frame. Yes, ENVE has some products made overseas, but the high-quality items are 100% manufactured here in the USA.

[@jigglypuff4227]

@@thedronescene7474 didnt know ENVE has a factory where they do some things 100% over there in the USA, good to know as well :) Qulity wise it might be the same as Winspace for sure.

[@lookatthisworld7351]

Would like to see the carbon mountain bike wheel production

[@jasperverkuijl]

If you want to see an interesting wheel build, watch my last video I uploaded!

[@bonzaiii3]

Waarschijnlijk al meerdere keren gevraagd, maar komt er ook een video verslag van de Cape Epic online? Hoorde destijds van Marc bij Wheeltec dat er wat panne met de wielen was, hopelijk is toch alles nog goed verlopen.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Zeker. Ben ermee bezig 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@jasperverkuijl]

Nou viel reuze mee hoor. 1 spaak gebroken maar heb dat niet eens doorgehad tot na de race. Spaak vervangen en volgende dag weer vol gas 🔥

[@DeveryAndrews]

Impressive operation. I’d buy a set of those wheels.

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

support your own country ... don't give money to people that are looking to take over you

[@KuriReevel]

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed😅

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

@@KuriReevel why so Green?

[@jasperverkuijl]

Haha Harry always so patriotic. Thief of your own money too 😜

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

@@jasperverkuijl 😂🤣😆 Merca!

[@convivator]

Operation looks legit. I would love to ride on some Chinese wheels.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Yeah man get them! Good Wheels will make your bike so much better!

[@zelpel]

You get the quality of price which you want to pay. If you buy the cheapest rims, you will get some carbon shit. But there are mid and high range products as well. The only thing which might be interesting for people who buy from China directly, the topic of guarantee program. In Europe, we have multiple regulations which secures us.

[@jasperverkuijl]

True. I don’t know what the regulations are between European customers and Chinese based sellers.. there are different stories online but I’ve heard lots of people behind helped well by customer support

[@kathrein-cz8xx]

What i do not understand is why they have problems making a wheelset under 1 kg. Hence ADA made in 1995 already a wheelset for Marco Pantani of 995 gram. And was a smal 3 family based bike Shop. This Chinese compagny is huge with a lot of resources it seems compare to small bike shop. You would think such company comes with inovation in bike industry. As example non contact braking. Or Abs And so on

[@jasperverkuijl]

Nowadays the rims are way deeper (for aero reasons) so i guess that is a big part of the weight?

[@DanTuber]

Did you see anything in the process making or in the factories you didn't like?

[@jasperverkuijl]

It’s hard to judge because these where the first factories I’ve ever visited. Even thought had a pretty good idea of carbon production, I was learning a lot and seeing things for the first time. One thing would be that I learned/heard afterwards is that you should always wear gloves when working on carbon. (People when crazy in the comments on Instagram) so that’s one thing guess. For the rest not much, I was honestly impressed by the process of wheels and frames etc.

[@DanTuber]

@@jasperverkuijl That chinese lady applying the carbon to the frame wasn't wearing gloves. Follow up question, were there a lot of secrets they didn't want to tell or show? Stuff you really wanted to see.

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@DanTuber the only thing they didn't show me was the filament wound carbon machine, just like I said in the video. for the rest i could see everything I wanted.

[@sarcasmisthelowest]

Carbon is the new asbestos. Under a microscope the fibres look the same. To be fair that factory looked pretty tidy but it is 20 + years of exposure for incubation for lung disease. Same as coal mining, manufactured stone, smoking 1 pack a day ect. If the sanding was being done wet I think that would keep the dust down. Probably best to go with disk brakes.

[@tweeling1977]

Wanneer gaat Jasper bezoekje brengen in Eindhoven bij scope en interview Nieck Busser en Rik Kusters zou interessant zijn om nog dieper in de materie te gaan.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Ben in gesprek geweest met scope maar helaas geen tijd voor gehad dit jaar om iets mee te doen

[@Emtbtoday]

Interesting to see them all with park tools

[@jasperverkuijl]

Yeah their workshop was very nice 🙌🏻

[@sativagirl1885]

Q: Is there a school for podcasters to learn how to communicate with hand jive?

[@jasperverkuijl]

🤙🏻

[@davidcarino6500]

Very true, for the average rider no reason to spend 2k+ for wheels!

[@event4216]

For average rider there's no need for CF wheels)

[@jasperverkuijl]

The Lún wheels are about €1000 with my discount so that’s half what you are mentioning. A good wheelset is the most important thing in the bike so this investment can highly improve your ride performance. And also as an “average” rider that can give you extra fun and motivation 🤙🏻

[@tonyg3091]

I have been trying hard to destroy a pair of Hypers for the last 3 years. No luck so far. My next wheelset will most probably be Hyper again although I do wish they offered them glossy with withe decals like Elitewheels Drive.

[@jasperverkuijl]

🙌🏻🙌🏻 I think there could be an option to get custom decals. My hypers (2023) have white decals as this was an early release so maybe they have some leftover stickers 🤪 Glossy is probably no option as they don’t have any paint!

[@kubackjeee]

Then get elitewheels. They actually own their factory and do own r&d. Elitewheels is a inhouse brand of one of the biggest factory in china yuanan carbon

[@tonyg3091]

@@kubackjeee Yes, that’s a possibility. Hope they update the Drive with better hubs. I like the Helix but it is too wide for my frame

[@kubackjeee]

​@@tonyg3091 nothing wrong with drive hubs imo

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@kubackjeeewho says they own their factory? Thats usually not the case in China. (Maybe just the wheel assembly line) I’ve received 1 Drive wheelset….. it turned into 💩within a few weeks. So that’s my (only) experience with Elite….

[@zikaperic2133]

One rule I learnt over the years about wheels: you get almost exactly how much you pay. If something is too good to be true, then its not true. Wheel performance and quality is more than just a specs sheet.

[@RylHango]

How come? I’m interested to know what qualifies a good wheel for you.

[@jasperverkuijl]

100%, spoke tension according to some table alone doesn’t make a good wheel. Watch my hyper review video and you’ll learn a lot more about wheels!

[@pierrex3226]

T800 is T800. U shape is U shape. A sound hub is a sound hub. Sapim cz ray is sapim cz ray. But you can pay 1x, or 3x, for that. You'd really have to be specific in your claim, because i strongly disagree.

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@pierrex3226if you think the quality of a wheel is only depicted by the quality of yhe components you are missing out on some good information. The wheelbuilder will have a big influence on how well the wheel performs and stays true etc etc. I would highly recommend watching that review video on my Winspace hypers like I said before. (You will find it in my videos it’s got 200k something views)

[@zikaperic2133]

@@pierrex3226 what's ur background sir? if you have some engineering background, it's kind of obvious that specs on paper dont necessarily match the quality. Wheels are not cars but just take that as analogy.

[@tuqk4u22]

I would be concerned about broke carbon spokes. Seems super niche

[@jasperverkuijl]

It’s very very rare to break a spoke actually

[@jan-erikbaars7413]

Lightweight in large scale... Makes you wonder why we can't do this in Europe, or Germany. We had these designs and quality alread decades ago.

[@jasperverkuijl]

Because Europeans are too expensive labour. Easy answer. The system is different from lightweight though. The MEGA HALO spokes are a lot more advanced as they are really one piece in a mold and not separate spokes glued together (which as I understand lightweight is..) also the halo spokes can be tightened. (And trued)

[@jan-erikbaars7413]

@@jasperverkuijl No, that’s not the whole story and not simple at all. Labor in China is not much cheaper. You heard the people at Winspead: all is automated. They have the balls to go big, scale it up and invest in automation. And they have a system around them that fuels this. Something we could do in Europe as well… but we have de-industrialised. Amazing what they do though, thanks for sharing this!

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@jan-erikbaars7413 aaah right. havent thought of it that way. (Y)

[@TheHitithard]

Als je Hambini volgt zie je dat dit high end wielen zijn en top ontworpen.

[@peterwillson1355]

I like my french-made aluminium rims, thanks

[@jasperverkuijl]

If you are happy, keep using them👍🏻

[@camdensimon1935]

Major problem with carbon spoke is that carbon is very strong in its long axis. ..... I've seen so many broken spokes from side impacts. I would never buy carbon spokes

[@jasperverkuijl]

I never see a broken carbon spoke 🤷🏼‍♂️ (Had one that had a slight damage when checking a wheel but it was still in the wheel with no problems)

[@Factoryseconds123]

Venn wheels are best

[@Yeahwhatdoesthatmean]

Zipps are made in USA

[@justinfo-jepy355]

im amazed to realized the world needs 60,000 wheelset every month...

[@jasperverkuijl]

This is just 1 factory out of many!

[@ATDreamLand]

Is there another video on interview with founder of Winspace - Stephen?

[@jasperverkuijl]

Not yet. Will come in the future

[@ernestoechevers4741]

I use Corima y think they are 100% french 🤔

[@Indulonman]

I don't argue about quality, but when there's a problem with the wheels, it's gonna be pain in the arse.

[@matkrek]

More dealers and bike shops are carrying them in North America

[@jasperverkuijl]

It’s all fixable but you’d need a good wheel builder to do the work 👍🏻

[@JustSueMe]

600000 high-end carbon wheelsets a year in one factory alone...How on earth there is so much demand for something that is so niche? I don't get it...

[@jasperverkuijl]

Not wheelset, rims. But yeah, still a lot of rims! And they where upscaling to a much higher number!

[@event4216]

I thought same - where these rims go?!?

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@event4216lots of cyclist all over the world man! They deliver to 50 something brands all over the world..

[@event4216]

@@jasperverkuijl Well, if that's true I can only salute to this number of cyclists!

[@jasperverkuijl]

#cyclingfanatics!!