I found a CHEATER DUO in Overwatch 2 and spectated them...

[@humble5269]

hello, i'm the one who submitted the replay, one of them already got banned (the genji player kek) although im not sure if he was banned for toxicity or cheetos, but both of them were in a duo party, if you ever find them in your matches be sure to report them, if they arent hacking they aint gonna get banned so reporting doesnt them wont hurt bruh

[@Hugal.]

I feel like they turned it off or at least made it less obvious the next round, pretty weird.

[@vexerityidk6104]

I had a game with them both and the cassidy was playing soilder 76 and has only got headshots and the octey guy was playing orisa and in the kill feed its so obvious they were cheating and my team still won

[@to87fin65]

Why I feel there is even damage cheats on this game or then it's just aimbot hitting head. Yesterday ended against some reaper and max 3 shots from him like 10m and I was gone.

[@Beeelzebud]

I've recently started playing overwatch and probably met cassidy in unranked.I remember cause I thought I queued into bots or something. Don't remember the other one in the team but we lost one capture point and then he started winning us points. We were roughly at 3 digit dmg but he was at 5. I was glad we won and endorsed him and now I want my endorsement back.

[@redbones6177]

Humble who were you?

[@Nickelback8469]

For Genji: The beginning lining up the shot on the Widow before the match even started and his shots on Cassidy at the end were sus, but the tracking on the Lucio seemed to give it away for me. For Orisa: Her tracking immediately screamed that she had a tracking bot. When she swapped to D'va, while in Mech I couldn't really tell if there was any cheats, but her baby D'va pistol raised a few red flags with the tracking.

[@lucario8861]

Yeah It wouldn't be as suspicious if he was aiming through the window but the wall was a good indicator that he was cheating

[@AngelicMerci]

Im good with divas pistols But yeah with the lucio stuff it does look super sud

[@abegator7587]

“He just looks like a really good player”….”oh” 💀

[@bingus_the_dongus]

💀💀💀

[@iampog5357]

💀☠️🏴‍☠️

[@crazy_key]

info: these cheats are available in china for extremely low prices and being totally undetectable because they are based on a deep learning model which is trained to identify person like entities (in this case the enemy team overwatch heroes). Instead of reading the game memory which normal anti cheat softwares look for, it uses real time screen capturing and calculation of crosshair vs target displacement for the tracking, which one stop of such calculations only takes about 15ms or so. So that is why the aim looked very smooth and was able to bypass the anticheat.

[@fuckdyoud2734]

^this 100%, also there is the capacity to install the same photo recognition into the mouse itself, and program a robot to move the mouse. I remember seeing some video about how a guy programmed his mouse to be the aimbot itself.

[@TrueLegacy.]

@@fuckdyoud2734 fascinating... videos with more light on this?

[@snipingway]

That explains a lot, I ran into a soldier 76 and an Orisa recently using very similar hacks in arcade of all places.

[@energysynchronized9932]

the tech is really interesting even thought it's being using for fucking video game cheats lol

[@brosephjames]

Machine learning can be trained to detect the cheats as much as it can be used to create them. So it's a cat or mouse game. The more un-obvious and un-detectable the cheats are the more they're indistinguishable from a good player, which makes them easier to play against once they're appropriately mmrd. idk how much effort blizzard puts into it though.

[@jolteon345]

I wish we got to see the chat during replays. To me it looks like they turned down the hacks once they got called out and claimed smurfing.

[@Athilik]

7:08 Pay attention to the Kiriko in the background. Octey never has line of sight on her but tracks through wall perfectly as she comes around corner.

[@Arielh100]

That was the giveaway for me. Idk how he missed that

[@gash7155]

? no he doesnt lmfao

[@THIRTEENTH13TH]

its not really a debate the level of obviousness of the fact they are cheating is crazy

[@kurykirin6281]

I'm surprised I've made it 45 seconds in and he hasn't made a single comment on how every kill genji got he was tracking the enemy perfectly through walls.

[@Fantasminea]

this is a really good cheat.... instead of snapping the camera and instantly revealing the cheats, it pulls your aim to where they are, so it looks more natural if they werent using it all of the time but only when they really needed to clutch the game, it would become undetectable

[@mrsalty8050]

But to the human eye or at least for me it still looks so obvious they are cheating. It’s way too obvious. To me it’s like they’re not even hiding it

[@Fantasminea]

@@mrsalty8050 yeah it is, because they are using it way too often but since it doesnt snap your camera, one could get away with it if used only in critical situations

[@Hookzee]

That's false. Its tracking where the enemy would be once the shot connects. They're playing projectile characters. If it aimed directly on them then the enemy would have already moved by the time the shot reached the enemy

[@Fantasminea]

@@Hookzee most cheats cant do that.. and even when dude picks widow, his camera is pulled instead of snapped this is soft aimbot, which is a lot better and a lot harder to detect if not used frequently treating this hack like any other is pure ignorance

[@Hookzee]

@@Fantasminea Except that most can. I'm not talking about it pulling, I'm talking about it going to where the character is going to be. You can believe me or not, idc. But I am right

[@brosephjames]

It always kills me when cheaters drop sprays after their cheat gets a kill. Hopefully they're screenshotting the spray moment and sending it to the cheat author, who actually did the work. I assume that's what's happening.

[@orellaminx3530]

1:48 Yeah. He's tracking the HITBOX perfectly. It's funny too, because just look how off it gets with just Lucio's weird movement, now imagine what Phara, Mercy and Echo's hitboxes are doing while they are constantly changing direction in a sphere instead of flat planes. The game's tickrate needs to be doubled.

[@DrWickedSH]

Has everyone just forgotten that Genji's shurikens are projectiles? And that you have to lead your targets? It's the same for Orisa's gun, it shoots projectiles and is not a hitscan weapon. It's got nothing to do with hitboxes; it's all about the projectile travel time, and tickrate is not the reason for that perceived 'lag'.

[@KirbyGamingLive]

I love when hacks make Widows aim worse than a gold player 😂

[@jackhalus6137]

first 30 seconds were all I needed for the genji. The way he was looking at the wall and not any corners or anything was incredibly suspect. He was looking at the wall that he had to back up and move around, staring at the wall the whole time. That is the spectate of a waller

[@neonoir__]

Yeah i wonder if people like this think they're hiding wallhacks well, it's so obvious as someone who used to do overwatch cases (reported player games get shown to lots of trusted players to determine if they're cheating) on csgo for fun and my god the amount of kids doing this same shit thinking they're so slick is unreal

[@chillshroom_blufinance1505]

I really like how Jay is very reluctant to actually say that they are cheating definitively. I think it shows that he understands that his audience might just take his word as law, and really wants people to look at what he sees and think about it themselves rather than just agree with him.

[@rngsmiles3979]

My dude was completely lost after every single dash. There is no way any player above plat plays like that.

[@lioh3364]

Well im genji main(3k5-master in ow1) and still sometime lost after the dash but yea that guy really suck compare to his aim

[@GHlacrosse]

I enjoy how the genji's aim has perfect tracking at the begging ( 11:43 ) on the lucio but then stops frame/pixel perfect on the corner as soon as the lucio goes around it

[@JZGreenline]

TBH most players have no idea how hacks work. I used to code game hacks like 10 years ago. ( I don't anymore because I didn't like what I was doing) Anyway these aren't cheap hacks. They are actually high-end. The most expensive hacks have lots of dials and settings to tune the aimbot to seem less sus. There's basically a line connected to the head with a maximum track rate, which is why they miss so much. But both these guys are 100% hacking. With a slower track-rate you want to aim ahead of the target, because if you lagged your shots you would miss all of them. No human aims like that btw. We make predictive models of what they player will do and where they will go, and we update that at about 100ms (very inconsistently mind you), which is human reaction time. We are actually tracking that predictive model in our brain and not the real location of the enemy, which is why it's possible to whiff super hard when we predict wrongly and also hit insane shots when the prediction is correct. Aimbots like this will never have that level of variability unless they incorporated predictive models (i.e. machine learning). And if they increased the tracking speed it would just look blatant. PS: Also you'll notice the aim doesn't snap to different targets. That's another sign they are using higher-end hacks. Once it locks a target it sticks with it until they release the trigger and fire again. You can see the Orisa do this at 17:19. And it probably tracks the Kiriko in the back by accident, since they are all stacked up.

[@fastandloose4848]

It's a tracking bot for projectile heroes. It tries to track where the pixels of red highlighted enemies is going to be. Probably not accurate as regular cheats we encountered yet maybe that's why it's harder to detect. I truly wish cheaters just stick to gta v or anything offline.

[@lukaslambs5780]

I don’t want to cheat in an actual game but in a custom game or something I’m so curious to feel what it’s like to have an aimbot. I’m also curious how hard/easy it is to hide

[@caylanalcorn1422]

there is aimbot customs in ow

[@Xerhzz]

Another thing with the orisa, you don't really keep tracking perfectly when you know you're about to press E. Yet this person does

[@over6124]

I once faced that cassidy player,he was on widow,literally doesnt miss a shot,and then i sae deathcam and his aimbit was more obvious than here,the tracking was absurd

[@rollerr]

I could tell in the first 5 seconds the genji had, at minimum, walls

[@fiftyc8337]

For the Genji... Their cross hair is always unnaturally glued to the ragdoll after each kill.. they are toggling it on and off.. the Orisa's cheats are compensating for the projectile and are way more obvious

[@Tweakey]

I just started playing overwatch 2 recently and didn't realise the game had aim bot issues. Now I'm questioning some of the players I've seen that I thought were just incredible.

[@mocheerio]

the genji was obviously wall hacking at the beginning, without the replays showing the enemy through walls it wouldnt be that obvious

[@mrsupa444]

how can you not understand? It's not cheaper hacks that track where they WILL be, its the more expensive ones. The hack calculates the distance from target, target speed and projected location on projectile arrival and fires at that spot. As games like RUST have moved away from hitscan, the cheats have adjusted. Notice when hes playing Mcree, a hitscan hero, his hacks track exactly where the hero is, not where the hero will be.

[@rrestoring_faith]

Ye that made me laugh. This is the expensive cheats, not the cheap ones.

[@Stormandreas]

Just go to 15:08 and put the speed to 0.25 (so now we're at 1/8th speed). You can instantly see the aimbot lock on to the middle of the hitbox

[@mood11222]

Its 1/16 speed then, not 1/8. 0.25 of a 0.25 speed is 1/16 of full speed.

[@Stormandreas]

@@mood11222 good point. Brain clearly not functioning mathematically

[@will_of_europa]

It looks like they can toggle it on/off with a button hold. Also looks like if they move their aim while it's locked it messes it up. DVA is aimbotting most of the time but it doesn't quite look like it because they have the aimbot set like Reaper's reticle, a big circle and anything within counts as hitting. This is why the aim stops moving at the climax of their direction change while a-d spamming. Cassidy looks like he uses it very sparingly, only turning it on in some occasions, but again, it could just be it's aiming for the chest or he's interrupting it's tracking by moving his mouse. Neither player seems smart, so they could have the aimbot and be directly working against it.

[@CurseOfVanishingI]

3:07 I meannn I can do that on orisa idk if it as accurate but I can still do it and hit some crazy “how tf” shots

[@MaMuzicLife]

I'm gonna take a guess and say because Genji and Orisa are both projectile heroes, that's why they track where they will be. Soon as they swap to Cass/Dva/Widow, it tracks the body instead 🤔

[@flyte6148]

Maybe that’s how you fucking aim why would a fucking orissa aim at them instead of where they are going

[@TripDip22]

genji was lowkey with the cheats, orisa said "i paid for hacks imma use em as much as possible"

[@doonder100]

Damn that new Anti-cheat system works great

[@CurseOfVanishingI]

14:39 I do that in my games; put my attacks where they go it’s common since to shoot where they going and not where they are especially for smaller targets

[@janyne7031]

the way i recently encountered a widow with the same cheats as the genji is so crazy like blizzard really needs to step it up fr

[@takoitsme4058]

4:58 that DVA mech went crazy 😂

[@MidnightEden]

4:23 that looked like DVa wanted to contest the point but their aimbot locked onto someone below them so it made them disoriented and they ended up turning around LOL

[@prototypeow]

Imagine a cheater duel lmao 😂

[@subz3ro358]

ive had that happen before. Some guy was cheating on Ashe and our Genji got fed up, turned on his cheats and it became a game where it was a 1v1 cheater duel and the other 10 players were trying to draw, going for achievements, etc.

[@Mincecroft]

On CSGO there was/is an unofficial gamemode people would play called Hack V Hack. It is what it sounds like but I remember a guy called 3kliksphilip made a video talking to a guy who played HvH and how players like him would make cheats designed to beat other people cheating.

[@LeniusRiven]

Not even OWL pro Genjis have the precision that this one does. The way he dashes in randomly shows that his game sense is trash. But his aimbot makes up for that. The tank player is blatantly cheating.

[@j.w.213]

amd yet we have so many plastic league players doubting it hahahahahahahaha

[@wuguxiandi9413]

When you rely on your hacks so much you don't even try to headshot a point blank zarya.

[@sofiasofa99]

both are hacking but they are using a tracking hack, it seems to activate whenever they use m1, it works kinda like aim assist it pulls your aim to the target rather than snapping to make it look more realistic

[@semisolaire5866]

I found a very blatant cheater in a death match last night while searching for a game and I'm just glad I didn't have to fight him for ranked

[@Baconator9k]

The orisa is 100% hacking. Aim moves extremely smooth at the exact rate perfect locked onto the character.

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

*LITERALLY TRACKS HEROS THROUGH WALLS PRE-AIMING AT THEM ALL GAME* idk genji looks pretty good.

[@djcrimmy]

wait until you come across a no clipping hacker they stand in spawn and headshot across the map as you come out of your spawn

[@teh_blazerer]

He has walls or is extremely lucky. He keeps choosing paths no one is defending so he hit perfect flanks every time.

[@xzeraCS]

i don't think he has walls i think his aimbot is detecting ppl through walls therefore he knows there's an enemy

[@THIRTEENTH13TH]

@@xzeraCS obviously has esp but sure all you people denying stuff are clueless

[@trippin_ninja]

Aimbots have "non-rage" settings that produce strange crosshair movements like these. It's to give a more authentic look when being watched but it's certainly not perfect as we can see. From what I have read you can adjust the settings on how quick it snaps to target (giving a smoother appearance of naturally aiming and tracking) and also how close your crosshair actually has to be for it to actually start tracking. It's crazy how much people pay for these too.

[@DeputyRandy]

If yall ever see deputy randy as hanzo just know i only aim good when im lit

[@kevin11humor]

How is genji looking at them thru walls with an instant fire around corners not obvious..... You can see exactly when he activates the hack at the bridge it's a soft aim with leading. And anyone using wall hacks that is smart will never keep looking at them thru walls.

[@KittenKatja]

3:05 No cheap hacks mitigate potential lag misplacement. Cheap hacks use the current head position, not the future head position. Minecraft hacks also have something like that, it shows a player's white outline (F3+B) and then a player's future position with a yellow outline, which the hack uses to send packets that should actually have been sent after the hit opponent was at that place. (a reason as to why some good players look sus, even when they record their screen)

[@kyoung8946]

the cheats are predicting where the enemy player is going due to the account of projectile. orisa and genji both are projectile heroes, the cheats aren't bad because of that. they're probably rather decent for being able to predict something like that.

[@Bastyyyyyy]

was thinking the same, usally the cheat changes based on the hero you pick. doesnt make sense to aim whit a hanso arrow where you are, makes more sense where you are in 0.5 seconds after the shoot

[@jeffmcclary6788]

Its funny how Tim and Jay found cheaters and it was the same map

[@ryanborrell7708]

that genji was so obvious it hurt, not even top owl player aim like that

[@Hookzee]

It's not tracking directly on them because they're playing projectile characters. Its calculating where they are going to be once the shot connects. Hitscan it would be directly on the character

[@707sstar]

i like how the tank made it so obvious they were hacking and the dps only used cheats on hard to hit targets

[@lilm0nix3]

did anyone else see the genji tracking players through the walls

[@pigeoncowboy1346]

they both have good gaming chairs

[@jaysmood4254]

The Genji was 100% walling I could tell from the very beginning lol

[@zeeegeee]

That Orisa teabagging after getting the elim with hacks is so pathetic I went past mad and I'm actually sad for them.

[@IlAlexaIl]

Nah I'm not mad I'm laughing at how they have to buy and use hacks cause they're that bad😂

[@mysticdream]

I'm going to be super honest because I am confused. The players don't look much like hackers. I understand Jay said that the "leading" headshots look sus, but that's what you do when you aim for projectiles. You lead the shots for where the head is going to be so your shots hit, that's the whole purpose (if you never lead your shots for where your target will be, your projectiles won't hit unless they are standing still). I personally don't think they look like hackers or they are hiding it well.

[@kyle57688]

They are both cheating for sure orisa is blatantly cheating no questions asked. I’m kinda on the fence about genji he’s using a little something idk what. He seems solid overall with genji tech and movement though I bet he’s probably pretty good.

[@katsdraws]

I’m concerned for you if you think their aim looks normal

[@Nukunyx]

Also with many of these hacking softwares, to make it less noticeable you can usually get the chance of hitting headshots but usually every shot will hit the body

[@Nukunyx]

so ig with the widow that is probably what she set on so it wasn't obvious because she hit basically every shot in the center of mass but only a couple hit head

[@CurseOfVanishingI]

3:19 idk I’m kinda stupid looks like normal game play to me can u do this in regular games by putting you crosshair just a lil infront of where they going ?

[@grildrago]

I swear, sometimes it look real sus but at the same time not. Like, i met one cassidy that has a terrible aim but them he suddenly get good out of nowhere. I guess his brother took the account for a while

[@Axoe]

it tracks where it’s going because it’s a projectile hero lol

[@spectrum_ow]

there is a cheat on the genji when he killed kiriko at the begining that when someone is low hp and you can mele him the hero mele and there was no reason to mele here and he did it at the frame when the kirikowas low hp.

[@spectrum_ow]

then here 13:14 he dashed on the soldier cause he knew he was one hp he wondn't if he didn't know it

[@gabrielduarte7493]

@@spectrum_ow the kiriko one can be done by a normal player cause is a basic combo when you are in melee range but the one on soldier is just blatant.

[@spectrum_ow]

@@gabrielduarte7493 U are right

[@mag1ckyle799]

Your honor, these are clearly fabrications made up by the prosecution against my clients. They are clearly jealous of their gamer chairs and wish they had the financial means to purchase one for themselves.

[@skr1bbl3sx44]

Honestly the genji didn't seem to lack mechanically beside some bad deflects, if he trained his aim up instead of using an aimbot/trackbot he could probably get further legit.

[@williamdiniz5190]

I saw that game on discord, i was doubting but when i see his mccree i knew something was wrong

[@jackc5841]

Less than 30 seconds into the video you can watch Genji track 76 perfectly through the wall; I can't believe you still had any doubt after seeing that. His hacks are probably set to "prefer body first" or "prefer physics bone (x) first" rather than "prefer head first" so he's not (quite) such an obvious cheater. And yes, Genji popped off at the beginning, probably a result of knowing exactly where everyone was through the walls and his superhuman aim. However, his positioning was absolutely terrible, and you know he never would've been successful in any higher tier than maybe silver.

[@JayWonFan150k]

so basically, in cheats you can select head hitbox, chest, lower torsoe, and legs, some cheats have hitchances and buttons to toggle on and off,

[@i_am_say10]

Dude walked in on his mom tongue kissing his brother so now he copes by hacking in OVERWATCH

[@ItsMeMangos]

Vanguard is OW2 anticheat, and they don't really ban anyone who gets caught cheating. They just colorban, which is wild, considering how popular the game is.

[@gloon8882]

never played an overwatch game in my life but as someone who would win competitions back in unreal tournament 99 as a sniper, what really seems strange to me isnt the shots the sniper takes but the open shots that get ignored which would have been a higher % shot with a better outcome. Any sniper with a high % accuracy is gonna know to get the max outcome from every shot, You shoot and miss you give away your position and just get destroyed. I might be wrong but it looked like there was i think they are zarya and their bubble was down, Id be shooting them so my team could push in easier. To me its one of those game sense things, I dont know overwatch but i know id be picking my shots better. Take out support then damage. No one gets that good at aiming without learning target priority and threat management.

[@Domenicus]

When you watch the slow Mo at the end you can see his crosshair lock on to players furter back on the map and he has to do a flick to snap it off them and back to his main target…

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

I wish I had their chairs.

[@assassinn8er656]

This is the 3rd cheater I’ve seen counting both lol

[@TheeAsmodeuss]

5:12 did mercy just say my servents never die

[@MrGhoste9]

bullet time, calculates it, moves the crosshair ahead

[@bierchen8863]

And dont forget some Cheaters doesnt want to make it sus or try to be not sus.

[@roskimadro]

So it begins... :) Now its free real estate for cheaters

[@ibrahimismail5625]

That's one way to make genji playable

[@tinytimonfire]

I think the head lineup form Genji at the start isn't walls, but I think the aimbot they are using DOES lock-on through walls.

[@mrnopa3181]

genji gave it up when he killed zarya on first point, idk how jay3 missed that😂🤣

[@salman-vw2jg]

In my opinion, if you are defeated by professionals, say that the enemy is a hacker

[@Moogle]

genji definitely has walls man, some people just hide it better... AKA not tracking through walls for no reason lol

[@uniteduniverse9107]

3:15 it locks onto the Kiriko through the wall

[@Atalus7557]

You were able to see the aim tracking in the beginning when he locked on soldier jay how did you miss that

[@JustMythyy]

It’s probably a projectile script if it’s good enough it’ll aim ahead so that their automatically leading the shot instead of hit scan weapons tracking

[@yaodai2459]

Looks like Cassidy gets a better hack than Octey lmao.

[@kylelinder4623]

"I'm really surprised this was able to get past Blizzard's anti-cheating software or whatever they use." 😲 Blizzard uses anti-cheat software?

[@ryanblack3686]

The dps seemed like they had actual decent game sense. It's sad they cheat cuz they could probably make atleast plat just off their movement. The tank on the other hand is actually horrendous at the game.

[@EchoTCV]

When he plays genji he doesn't look like he's cheating

[@beanman9936]

I played with Cassidy earlier today I called him out and he said he was "just a smurf :)"

[@ksteinman3397]

The arissa shooting with aim bot forever not really losing health is why I rage quit this game all the time, filthy cheaters

[@stargateheaven23]

aiming where they are going makes sense fora hack that works for non-hitscans.

[@CirqueitOfficial]

02:00 yeah, one out of what a hundred thousand genjis are able to do that?? One out of a million?? If you go back to his soldier kill at 0:33, you will see he flicked his mouse direction 4 times within a second and landed a full secondairy fire shuriken spread shot and crit ALL THREE STARS.... Even the best genji in the world would struggle to pull that off, and its the first thing he did. Also, if a real player would do that, he would most likely get stocked, and freeze a tenth of a second, in disbelieve over what he just managed tp do. This guy instantly and effortlesly moved on to the Kiriko as if the soldier cost him no concentration whatsoever. From a phsychological perspective that doesnt make sense. This player has "too" much faith in his "skill"... Cheating

[@slackharpvods4526]

i think i played against a cheating orisa before, the spectate looks identical to what i saw in my own replay, but its unranked so i didnt bother investigating it too deeply

[@The_Zmiley]

at 07:11 the Dva/Orisa player seem to be tracking the Kiriko through the wall

[@pachiboopUwUr]

The best part is that they have hacks but dont know how to play xD

[@TraDigitalGaming]

i'm still at the start of the video so idk if its mentioned but at the start of the game when the genji loses the lucio an goes to the zarya you can see him track the soldier through the wall.

[@Bluewind1005]

Gotta love it when the cheating is so shitty you can see it in their gameplay 💀

[@rafaelseverin7676]

The genji didn't looked more like a pro than a hacker and the Orissa was flat out cheat